mf0 logs -> 2012 -> Sat, 30 Jun 2012< mf0.20120629.log - mf0.20120701.log >
--- Log opened Sat Jun 30 00:00:38 2012
00:02
< afny>
hm
00:02
< afny>
I'm having a hard time coming up with a strategy/comp for my demo campaign for the 4frame team
00:02
< afny>
that's significantly different from the 5frame team
00:02
< afny>
right now the defenders are all DF DF Y B
00:02
< afny>
and there's three of them
00:03
< afny>
and the primary attackers are... 1x A A G B, 1x 3split A/DF, B, 2x DF Y Y B, 1x DF Y B G
00:08
<+MittenNinja>
I would suggest not using split systems to demo
00:08
<+MittenNinja>
It creates too much confusion for people just learning to play
00:08
<+MittenNinja>
Keep things simple
00:08
< afny>
I can easily call it A A G B
00:09
< afny>
doesn't change the strategy anyway
00:09
<+MittenNinja>
Or even A DF G B
00:09
< afny>
I was just choosing frames from an 8 frame company I already had
00:09
< afny>
but my problem with the 4frame secondary attackers is this
00:10
< afny>
if I go heavy on DF, I wouldn't need much global spot
00:10
< afny>
so taking two DF systems on two or three of the systems would be good
00:10
< afny>
which makes them very similar to the defenders
00:10
< afny>
but if I decide to go global spot, I need artillery to take advantage of it
00:10
< afny>
and they end up just being a weaker version of the primary attackers
00:10
<+MittenNinja>
Make them DF HTH G B
00:10
< afny>
that just seems like gimping them unneccessarily
00:11
< afny>
-c
00:11
<+MittenNinja>
That isn't humping them at all
00:11
<+MittenNinja>
*gimping
00:11
< afny>
heh
00:11
< afny>
sure it is, they don't have any spot dice that way
00:11
<+MittenNinja>
High mobility
00:11
<+MittenNinja>
They won't need them
00:12
<+MittenNinja>
High mobility and high damage in direct and melee
00:12
< afny>
it just seems so diffuse
00:12
< afny>
and reliant on white dice
00:12
<+MittenNinja>
Use it to point out the effectiveness of attacking cover
00:12
<+MittenNinja>
And when hth is actually useful
00:12
< afny>
I just think with only four frames, too many turns will be spent only attacking cover
00:12
<+MittenNinja>
Trust me, I run with three of those I my main force
00:13
< afny>
and they will be vulnerable to attacks from two sides
00:13
< afny>
yeah, but how big is your main force
00:13
<+MittenNinja>
They can be brutal
00:13
< afny>
and are there other Ys on it?
00:13
<+MittenNinja>
I only have one frame with Ys
00:13
< afny>
how big is the company when you field it?
00:13
<+MittenNinja>
7, but those three do most of the work
00:14
< afny>
what are the other frames?
00:14
< afny>
I believe you about not necessarily needing Y, but I'm not convinced that strategy carries over well to a company of only 4 frames that is LIKELY to have initiative right after the defender sacs a station
00:14
<+MittenNinja>
2x AABG, HHBB, and HYYB
00:14
< afny>
I think that one global spot and that one AA would make all the difference
00:15
< afny>
just because you can get more done in the space of a turn
00:15
< afny>
with four frames you have to all fire and make those shots count
00:15
<+MittenNinja>
Make the 4th frame a AAYY
00:15
<+MittenNinja>
Or AYYB
00:17
<+MittenNinja>
Just make sure whoever playing them knows they have to play aggressive
00:17
<+MittenNinja>
You'll be surprised how effective they can be
00:18
< afny>
I think it depends on the battlefield
00:18
< afny>
judging from your photos so far it seems like you play on pretty low cover maps
00:18
< afny>
so if I field that, maybe I won't go crazy on the cover
00:18
<+MittenNinja>
Keep in mind that with the G you can move through cover
00:19
<+MittenNinja>
True
00:20
<+MittenNinja>
Run a game or two with yourself
00:20
<+MittenNinja>
See how it plays out
00:22
< afny>
even as someone who plays a lot of single player brood war
00:22
< afny>
I don't think I could bring myself to do that
00:22
< afny>
mostly because I don't want to destroy and rebuild all that cover for no reason
00:22
<+MittenNinja>
Why not?
00:22
<+MittenNinja>
Then don't
00:23
<+MittenNinja>
Just keep track, you don't have to actually destroy it
00:23
< afny>
ah god, I finally found a new dark grey boat bumper to replace an old dark grey one on a chub head
00:23
< afny>
that had otherwise all new dark grey
00:23
<+MittenNinja>
Ha
00:23
< afny>
it looks SIGNIFICANTLY less dirty in the dome
00:27
< afny>
hm, what about
00:27
< afny>
AA G B, DF DF G B, 2x DF Y G B?
00:28
< afny>
super mobile, strong enough to break cover, but still some spots
00:28
< afny>
still kind of just a mix of the other two companies, admittedly
00:28
< afny>
I really should have SOMETHING with an hth system
00:29
<+MittenNinja>
Give one to the defenders
00:29
<+MittenNinja>
They're the most likely to have an enemy coming to them
00:30
<+MittenNinja>
HBBY
00:30
<+MittenNinja>
Throw some SSRs on it
00:31
<+MittenNinja>
SSR targets as they approach, and punish them hardcore if they try to take the station
00:31
< afny>
I'm very wary of fielding a company with only three frames
00:31
< afny>
that has only two with a reliable direct fire
00:32
< afny>
MAYBE 3 ssrs could make up the lack
00:32
<+MittenNinja>
Yeah it should
00:32
<+MittenNinja>
Keep in mind, I've found the avg game to last 4-5 turns
00:32
<+MittenNinja>
So for three of them, its got DF
00:32
< afny>
the other problem is the defenders are the company with no normal bipeds
00:33
< afny>
so they look kind of goofy with swords
00:33
< afny>
that's not REALLY an issue, plenty of options for hth weapons
00:33
<+MittenNinja>
Flamethrowers?
00:33
< afny>
only assholes use flamethrowers
00:33
<+MittenNinja>
Yeah, plenty of options
00:34
<+MittenNinja>
Assholes are the ones who win fights
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<+MittenNinja>
Randy!
00:39
<+MittenNinja>
Sup?
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<+MittenNinja>
Also, don't be afraid to use soldiers
00:45
<+MittenNinja>
They're solid
00:45
< afny>
are you using Ced terms
00:45
< afny>
I don't know those
00:45
<+MittenNinja>
DF B G Y
00:45
< afny>
I willfully refuse to learn them because I don't want to get in the habit of using them
00:45
< afny>
since saying soldier to a new player doesn't impart any information
00:45
<+MittenNinja>
That's the only one I use
00:45
< afny>
yeah, right now I have
00:45
<+MittenNinja>
And that's because Josh uses it
00:45
< afny>
for the 4frame
00:45
< afny>
A A B G, DF DF G B, 2x DF B G Y
00:46
< afny>
so two of those
00:46
<+MittenNinja>
It's the "standard" frame loadout
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00:47
<+MittenNinja>
What's your primary attacker force again?
00:47
< afny>
uhh
00:47
< afny>
if there's no split, it's 2x A A G B, 1x DF Y G B, 2x DF Y Y B
00:48
<+MittenNinja>
That's right, sorry ircchat doesnt keep a full history
00:48
< afny>
np
00:49
<+MittenNinja>
Drop the DF Y G B and make that one a HTH frame
00:49
<+MittenNinja>
?
00:50
< afny>
I could, but I'd definitely just be doing it to do it
00:50
< afny>
I don't see how it fits into the strategy
00:50
<+MittenNinja>
Use a BB so you can demonstrate the cover benefit
00:50
<+MittenNinja>
Covers your DF guys as they push on the enemy
00:51
<+MittenNinja>
HBBY and SSRs
00:51
<+MittenNinja>
Use the SSRs as they close in so its still contributing on the approach
00:58
<+MittenNinja>
It'll draw fire away from the DF guys on the approach and dish out some hurt once it gets there.
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01:05
<+Tetrajak>
and I'm back :D
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<+MittenNinja>
Wb
01:07
<+MittenNinja>
Lol
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< carbonbass>
I've lived a few places where going over a hundred during the summer was normal. Somehow once you combine 105 degrees with NC's oppressive humidity it just gets really sucky.
01:29
<+MittenNinja>
That why I moved to Denver from the Minneapolis.
01:29
<+MittenNinja>
The humidity is killer
01:30
<+MittenNinja>
Out here in the Rockies it hardly ever gets above 15%
01:30
<+MittenNinja>
Wow that first sentence was horribly written
01:31
<+MittenNinja>
I type too fast for my own good
01:40
< carbonbass>
bleh, my equipments need more gubbins
01:47
<~McMartin>
MittenNinja: Mojave Wasteland represent
01:48 * McMartin grew up in San Diego
01:56
< carbonbass>
I started this BBC sci-fi series Outcasts on netflix. Pretty good so far, which is obviously why it was canceled after the first series.
02:08
<+MittenNinja>
I don't even know where the Mojave wasteland is
02:09
<+MittenNinja>
I hate it when good shows get canned so early
02:15
<~McMartin>
MittenNinja: It's the name of the setting generally in Fallout: New Vegas ;-)
02:15
<~McMartin>
The Mojave Desert is basically east of Los Angeles and west of Vegas
02:15
<~McMartin>
But yeah, I gew up in the desert so 15% humidity is my idea of A Good Day
02:16
<+MittenNinja>
Ah, I never played new Vegas
02:16
< carbonbass>
It was 45% today. I felt like I was swimming.
02:20
<+MittenNinja>
That's nothibg, try over 100% with no rain. It happens on occasion in Minnesota
02:22
< carbonbass>
oh fuck, it's gonna be 80% tomorrow
02:22
< carbonbass>
I'm staying inside
02:22
< carbonbass>
playing with legos
02:22
< carbonbass>
all day
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03:02
< afny>
finally
03:02
< afny>
3/6 stations done
03:11
< neoaez>
afny, do you have any breakdown shots of your Pan II or Nimrod II frames? I may have missed them on the forums.
03:17
< afny>
Nope
03:18
< afny>
if you're really interested I can take one next time I set up the lightbox
03:18
< neoaez>
I'll see if I can't figure out the core of the torso. No worries.
03:19
< afny>
this'll make it easy
03:19
< afny>
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=98029
03:19
< afny>
they're based on the Stirad
03:19
< afny>
or AFI
03:19
< afny>
I don't know which is the name and which is the company
03:19
< afny>
Zizynames be crazy.
03:19
< neoaez>
=)
03:20
< neoaez>
Thanks.
03:20
< afny>
the trick is three ringplates
03:20
< afny>
once you get that down there are endless possibilities with that style of core
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03:22
<@randolph>
Hey guys
03:22
<@randolph>
sorry, I've been afk, and apparently net keeps dropping
03:22
< afny>
aren't you in the middle of a 5 day party anyway
03:22
<@randolph>
yeah
03:22
<@randolph>
that's why I've been afk
03:22
<@randolph>
we're talking PAB shop now
03:22
<@randolph>
afk again
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< carbonbass>
blarg
04:13
<+Tetrajak>
indeed
04:21
< afny>
hoo
04:21
< afny>
just need one more station
04:21
< afny>
and then a bit more terrain
04:21
< afny>
and my demo campaign is DONE
04:21
< afny>
oh, and a ruler
04:21
< afny>
only found two hinge pieces that are the right size :\
04:21
< carbonbass>
That is the only bit that I actually have.
04:22
< carbonbass>
I don't even know where those pieces came from
04:27
<+Tetrajak>
I still don't have a ruler, but then again, I don't yet have 2 companies
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< MoF0-4266>
Anyone home?
05:55
< afny>
I'm here
05:55
< afny>
I'm one bit of terrain done with my demo campaign box
05:55
< afny>
got 6 stations, some elevation
05:55
< afny>
pretty solid dicebuilds
05:59
< Carbonbass>
I just got back from wally world
06:00
< Carbonbass>
They had some of the lego Frog Rush games on clerance for $11, grabbed one and it ended up being $5
06:00
< MoF0-4266>
Shopping?
06:00
< Carbonbass>
going back for the other two tomorrow
06:00
< MoF0-4266>
Damn, I didn't think to scan the ones I saw the other day.
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06:02
< Carbonbass>
It'll give me a matching color scheme for all 8 of my Hellions until I can get something better. Plus all the other little bits that come with it, frogs, dice. pretty good little box for $5
06:02
< Mantisking>
I don't know why I bothered to do that. I'm going to bed soon.
06:03
< Carbonbass>
Because you love us
06:03
< Carbonbass>
Oh, it also comes with one of those nifty brick pry-bars.
06:04
< Mantisking>
I saw #2236 Scorpio for $10 the other day at Walmart.
06:05
< Carbonbass>
That's a good buy if you're looking for bits like that
06:05
< Carbonbass>
This Lego dice is pretty cool
06:05
< Mantisking>
i've got a bunch that I don't use.
06:06
< Mantisking>
Okay, that's it for me. Catch you all on the flip side.
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06:06
< afny>
ah damn
06:06
< afny>
w
06:06
< afny>
+anted to ask him about ways to cheat at making roofs
06:07
< Carbonbass>
You could call the guys that did my roof, they know all about it
06:08
< afny>
heh
06:20
< afny>
in my quest to make a vaguely aesthetically passable building
06:20
< afny>
I've made cover that will take years to destroy
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07:30
< afny>
well using a bunch of lamps while it's already like 95 degrees in here
07:30
< afny>
to take pictures for 30 minutes
07:30
< afny>
was not a good idea
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09:50
<+Tetrajak>
Anyone active?
09:50
< afny>
blergh
09:51
<+Tetrajak>
want to see some pretty damn awesome lego mecha which appear to have not seen the light of day in the lego community?
09:51
< afny>
sure
09:51
<+Tetrajak>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/47332813@N03/
09:51
<+Tetrajak>
this guys stream
09:51
<+Tetrajak>
includes quite a few transforming and combining lego creations
09:51
<+Tetrajak>
as well as some astounding robot head techniques
09:52
< afny>
sentai as fuck
09:52
<+Tetrajak>
yup, there's some powerrangers stuff in there
09:54
< afny>
some pretty cool stuff
09:55
< afny>
nothing really speaks to me, but it's good building
09:55
< afny>
and the combining techniques are really nice
09:55
<+Tetrajak>
Yea, I'm mostly just impressed
09:55
< afny>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/47332813@N03/6776068775/in/photostream/ the head on this one is really nice
09:57
<+Tetrajak>
isn't it just
09:58
<+Tetrajak>
the minifig hands for eyes thing is really cool
09:59
< afny>
I finished my demo kit
09:59
< afny>
http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1717
09:59
< afny>
I don't think even Ced could tell me I don't have enough cover now
10:01
<+Tetrajak>
Yea, I saw it just before coming on here
10:01
<+Tetrajak>
it's pretty awesome
10:01
<+Tetrajak>
I love some of the variation in cover that you did
10:01
<+Tetrajak>
such as the tar and rocks
10:01
<+Tetrajak>
very cool use of black
10:01
<+Tetrajak>
I like your stations too
10:01
< afny>
the best part was making the little fossil
10:01
<+Tetrajak>
I'll bet XD
10:01
< afny>
those stations really are all Sorens
10:02
< afny>
only his are better
10:02
<+Tetrajak>
still, I like what you've done with your limited parts
10:02
< afny>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bricklovinfreakboy/6316097878/in/faves-kyanosmoros/
10:02
<+Tetrajak>
yup
10:02
<+Tetrajak>
I stole his sat dish
10:02
< afny>
dat factory
10:04
< afny>
I only thought to use that black when I was thinking about ways to reinforce those two piece rocks
10:04
< afny>
I always see people complain, "well I can't have destructible hills because my rocks are only two bricks"
10:04
< afny>
I wanted to use those pieces but still have completely destructible terrain
10:04
< afny>
so...bunch of black bricks...tar and igneous rock flows.
10:05
< afny>
each one is elevation for at least one hit
10:05
<+Tetrajak>
that is very cool
10:05
< afny>
and some of them have directional cover even when a frame is on their elevation
10:06
< afny>
only the big one is better than fridges in the middle of a parking lot, though.
10:11
<+Tetrajak>
XD
10:12
<+Tetrajak>
sorry, I'm still seeing a dude on top of 4 fridges with that big hill
10:15
< afny>
the 4x4 elevation bit isn't at the top
10:15
< afny>
it's half way up
10:15
< afny>
so depending on how the terrain is placed
10:16
< afny>
that frame would be in cover to other elevation
10:19
<+Tetrajak>
aaaaah
10:19
< afny>
oh, looking at it now the platform is obscured
10:19
< afny>
it's all on the other side
10:19
<+Tetrajak>
it's hidden in the photo
10:19
< afny>
yea
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< Carbonbass>
Makin cut little log cabins for Free Colony turrurest living in the mountains
18:54
< Carbonbass>
cute*
19:43
< CaGeRit>
Pics?
19:44
< Carbonbass>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/78359253@N03/7473829018/
19:44
< Carbonbass>
Single floor 2-person shack
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<+Tetrajak>
good zombie moaning
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<+Tetrajak>
anyone alive in here?
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