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| 00:01 | <@Reiv> | SDL event loop? |
| 00:02 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: frege looks really exciting! |
| 00:02 | <@Reiv> | If you give it a try, do let me know how you find it |
| 00:02 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, unlikely in the near future :) |
| 00:02 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: Not entirely, surely |
| 00:02 | <&McMartin> | You are now baby-friendly! |
| 00:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: bwuh? |
| 00:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | Ok, I think I finally have a handle on this |
| 00:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | I'm just going to attach an empty sound to every goddamn thing I can |
| 00:24 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: I thought you enjoyed prodding at such abominations of software~ |
| 00:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | I can't attach to "player turn" (or even "player move") but I can to "pick up item", "use item", "reload weapon", "switch weapon", and "push barrel" |
| 00:26 | | * catalyst attaches sounds to ToxicFrog's entry, exit, and footstep |
| 00:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | Along with "move" for every single enemy |
| 00:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | I figure that as long as enemies are on the level, "enemy move" is going to be triggering constantly, which will let me fade |
| 00:27 | <@Reiv> | What are you fading? |
| 00:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | Once they're all dead, the player will probably still be reloading their weapon and picking up loot and stuff. |
| 00:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiv: closed captions |
| 00:27 | <@Reiv> | I see |
| 00:27 | <@Reiv> | Well, I guess I don't |
| 00:27 | <@Reiv> | This is removing sound cues from DoomRL and making text cues instead? |
| 00:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yes |
| 00:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | Well |
| 00:27 | <@Reiv> | right |
| 00:27 | <&ToxicFrog> | not "removing" |
| 00:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | The mode I'm modifying already doesn't have sound |
| 00:33 | <@Reiv> | Adding in the clues that sound would have given? |
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| 00:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiv: exactly |
| 00:49 | <&McMartin> | Reiv: Yeah, but, new job, draining, have Actual Things to learn, etc. |
| 00:49 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: I thought you often played DoomRL silently even when you didn't have to because you were in dire need of not awakening Babies |
| 00:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 00:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yes |
| 00:50 | <&ToxicFrog> | That and constantly syncing my saves between thoth and the server would be a pain |
| 00:50 | <@Reiv> | McMartin: This is fair |
| 00:50 | <@Reiv> | You cannot mention even vaugely what sort of new things |
| 00:51 | <&McMartin> | Oh, sure, I can do that - cross-platform mobile development in Obj-C, Java, C#, C++ |
| 00:51 | <@Reiv> | Ah, very good |
| 00:51 | <@Reiv> | Are all these languages you were fluent in? |
| 00:51 | <&McMartin> | No |
| 00:52 | <&McMartin> | Only C++, really, but even there "fluent" means something else there, so I've had to adapt to a new subset |
| 00:52 | <&McMartin> | I can do the others, but doing them well requires mastering the ancillary techs |
| 00:53 | <@Reiv> | Right, hence the Actual Shit To Learn, then |
| 00:53 | <@Reiv> | This is entirely fair |
| 00:55 | <&McMartin> | Not to mention The Actual Pre-Existing Codebases |
| 00:59 | <@Reiv> | Those are always fun |
| 00:59 | <@Reiv> | Are there at least Best Practices |
| 01:01 | < catalyst> | I used lambdas to implement type erasure today |
| 01:01 | < catalyst> | that was fun |
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| 02:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | Rudimentary fading is implemented! |
| 02:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | And is now live on the server. |
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| 11:08 | <@Tarinaky> | "Your saying is ridiculous and yet I find it compelling because it came from a leader." |
| 11:09 | <@[R]> | Yup |
| 11:12 | < catadroid> | authority~ |
| 11:15 | | * TheWatcher ...s |
| 11:15 | <@TheWatcher> | HOW DID THIS CODE EVER WORK, WTF |
| 11:16 | | * TheWatcher headdesks |
| 11:16 | <@Wizard> | Duct tape and black magics |
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| 11:18 | | * Wizard slept two hours last night, has spent the last two hours reading a Hibernate validation guide while processing no information |
| 11:52 | <@TheWatcher> | Right, fuckthisshit, I'm ripping this out and replacing it |
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| 13:16 | <@Tarinaky> | I think the sourceforge debacle goes to show the importance of trademark protection for FOSS projects. |
| 13:19 | <@TheWatcher> | Which debacle is this? |
| 13:21 | <@Tarinaky> | They're taking over orphaned sourceforge accounts and using them to distribute malware installers. |
| 13:22 | <@TheWatcher> | Uh, not entirely sure how trademark protection would help there. |
| 13:23 | <@TheWatcher> | What they're doing isn't actually illegal, it's just incredibly dickish. |
| 13:24 | <@Tarinaky> | Because you can use a cease+desist to compell them to stop using the trademark GIMP for example. |
| 13:26 | <@Tarinaky> | iirc Firefox had/has something similar that prevents people other than the mozilla foundation using the firefox trademark for binary packages. |
| 13:27 | <@Tarinaky> | Hence stuff like Iceweasel. |
| 13:35 | | * TheWatcher shrug |
| 13:35 | <@TheWatcher> | I suspect that you could send a C&D anyway |
| 13:35 | <@TheWatcher> | but either way, the big problem is that doing that with or without a trademark involves lawyers |
| 13:35 | <@TheWatcher> | which involves money |
| 13:35 | <@TheWatcher> | which most FOSS projects don't have |
| 13:36 | <@TheWatcher> | some do, sure, but most don't |
| 13:37 | <@TheWatcher> | and trademarks have that wonderful "defend it or lose it" problem, too, so it's not enough to just get the trademark, you need to actively prevent it from being used. |
| 13:37 | <@[R]> | The OSI and FSF should provide premade trademark disclaimers? |
| 13:37 | <@[R]> | Or is it more than just that? |
| 13:37 | <@TheWatcher> | "trademark disclaimers" wut? |
| 13:38 | <@Tarinaky> | You have to physically file a trademark, costing Xe2 dollars, then you have to police the internets looking for infringers, which requires lawyers working hourly... |
| 13:38 | <@Tarinaky> | Then you have to fire off Nastygrams that risk incurring the ire of the community for people using said trademarks. |
| 13:39 | <@[R]> | TheWatcher: whatever the equiv of the GPL or MITL would be? |
| 13:39 | <@Tarinaky> | It's not ideal. |
| 13:39 | <@[R]> | Some kind of premade document they could use. |
| 13:40 | <@TheWatcher> | Yeah, not going to work. |
| 13:40 | <@Tarinaky> | But just because SF isn't doing anything illegal doesn't mean they aren't doing anything that shouldn't be illegal. |
| 13:40 | <@TheWatcher> | [R]: You need to register it - which means pay to register it - in every country your product may be marketed or used. |
| 13:43 | <@Tarinaky> | Sourceforge's behavior could really drag FOSS through the mud if it becomes associated with malware distribution. |
| 13:43 | <@TheWatcher> | A 10 year trademark - just the application fee - in the UK is £200 in one class, plus £50 for each additional class. And that's before you get into legal fees that may be incurred during registration and defence |
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| 14:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | [R]: Trademarks Don't Work Like That. |
| 14:18 | <@Tarinaky> | I think Mozilla do it with one of the conditions of the software/source license being conditions on how you use the name Firefox. |
| 14:18 | <@Tarinaky> | But I think they have a trademark as well. |
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| 14:21 | <@celticminstrel> | [Jun 04@09:16:53am] ToxicFrog: [R]: Trademarks Don't Work Like That.⢠|
| 14:21 | <@celticminstrel> | ^ Fixed. :P |
| 14:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | Heh. |
| 14:22 | <@Tarinaky> | Apparently London has taken the number 1 spot in the leage table for... |
| 14:23 | <@Tarinaky> | Amount of cocaine detectable in sewage per 100,000 population. |
| 14:23 | <@Tarinaky> | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33009682 |
| 14:23 | <@Tarinaky> | 737mg average daily per 1,000 people in London during 2014. |
| 14:24 | <@TheWatcher> | ... why would anyone even look for that?! |
| 14:24 | <@Tarinaky> | TheWatcher: Because it tells you how much cocaine is being consumed. |
| 14:24 | <@TheWatcher> | Seriously, how does that conversation even go |
| 14:24 | <@Tarinaky> | TheWatcher: Cocaine is detectable in urine. |
| 14:25 | <@Tarinaky> | So by measuring the waste water you can make observations of the population contriburing to said waste water. |
| 14:26 | <@TheWatcher> | "Oh look, it looks like more than the average number of people have been visiting Pradeep's Totaly-not-Dodgy Balti Takeway this week!"~ |
| 14:27 | <@Tarinaky> | TheWatcher: You joke but that's basically the entire field of archeology. |
| 14:27 | <@TheWatcher> | "No shit, Fred" "Actually, Bill, quite the opposite..." |
| 14:27 | <@Tarinaky> | And quite a lot of zoology. |
| 14:28 | <@Tarinaky> | "By carbon dating this fossilised poo we're able to place it in X0,000 BC. Further, from the presence of XYZ we can tell that this was made by a male, who subsisted off fish as a staple of their diet." |
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