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| 11:07 | | * TheWatcher hairpulls at CSS |
| 11:08 | <@TheWatcher> | This'd be easier with three screens. Actually, no, six screens... |
| 11:26 | <@Tarinaky> | Despite consuming enough caffiene to start to see time I'm still really tired. |
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| 14:11 | <@Tarinaky> | http://i.imgur.com/p46FXnm.jpg |
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| 15:11 | < catadroid> | I am awesome at C++ ^.^ |
| 15:12 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm pretty sure even the fools responsible for the mess that is the C++ language don't claim to be awesome at C++ :P |
| 15:14 | < catadroid> | it's an alright language if you're disciplined. I'd like to replace it if something sufficiently better comes along |
| 15:14 | < catadroid> | Also the people who generate the standard definitely are not fools x) |
| 15:14 | < catadroid> | (though misguided in cases I'll give you that) |
| 15:15 | <@Tarinaky> | It's a wise man who thinks himself a fool and a fool who thinks himself wise etc... |
| 15:15 | <@Tarinaky> | And as far as golden hammers go, C++ is certainly the shiniest/most useful. |
| 15:16 | <@Tarinaky> | But if you don't hate a language you don't use it enough :P |
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| 15:50 | < catadroid> | I think this is more likely to be Stockholm syndrome :) |
| 15:51 | < catadroid> | C++ has many many many deficiencies but it also has some uniquely useful characteristics, mostly due to the rise if managed platforms and the folly of garbage collection strategies |
| 15:51 | < catadroid> | rise of* |
| 15:53 | <@Tarinaky> | They're not uniquely useful characteristics. |
| 15:53 | <@Tarinaky> | C++ just has critical mass. |
| 15:54 | < catadroid> | I'd argue that nothing is so efficient at succinctly describing safe resource management as C++'s object lifetime model |
| 15:54 | < catadroid> | At length if you want me too |
| 15:55 | <@Tarinaky> | It's not unique to C++. |
| 15:55 | < catadroid> | true, but in terms of widely used systems languages it is, at least in games dev |
| 15:56 | < catadroid> | unless you're going to let me write my product in Rust or D :3 |
| 15:56 | < catadroid> | sorry, I'm not attempting to be dogmatic, I'm a very pragmatic person |
| 15:56 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm just arguing that that's not what 'uniquely useful features' means :p |
| 15:56 | <@Tarinaky> | There are other languages that have the same feature set; but have less support/groundswell. |
| 15:56 | < catadroid> | I do wish that more languages had a reasonable analogue of destructors |
| 15:56 | < catadroid> | pedant! |
| 15:56 | < catadroid> | :p |
| 15:57 | < catadroid> | I don't think there are actually, given that I also need reasonable IDE and platform compilation support |
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| 15:58 | <@Tarinaky> | Reasonable IDE sounds subjective. |
| 15:59 | <@Tarinaky> | Reduction to text editor holy wars. |
| 16:11 | < catadroid> | Alright then, tools for managing large codebases contributed to by a team of the order of tens including refactoring tooling |
| 16:24 | < catadroid> | :d |
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| 16:47 | <&ToxicFrog> | I think this design may officially qualify as a Rube Goldberg machine now. |
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| 20:49 | <&McMartin> | Huh: http://www.frege-lang.org |
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| 23:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | So it turns out that, when running in tty mode, DoomRL doesn't actually use the SDL event loop at all. |
| 23:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | All that effort spent subverting it and it's all for nothing. |
| --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 00:00:30 2015 |