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| 09:58 | <@Tarinaky> | My IRC config died :/ |
| 09:58 | <@Tarinaky> | This shell looks to be on its last legs :( |
| 09:59 | <@TheWatcher> | It's a shell of its former self? |
| 10:00 | | * Tarinaky throws things. |
| 10:00 | <@TheWatcher> | ... I'll get my coat. |
| 10:04 | < catadroid> | HAH |
| 10:05 | < catadroid> | OH IT'S A WORDPLAY |
| 10:05 | < catadroid> | AHA |
| 10:05 | < catadroid> | HAH |
| 10:05 | < catadroid> | I mean good morning, how goes? |
| 10:06 | <@TheWatcher> | It's Friday, that's good I guess. The rail system is falling apart, that's less good. |
| 10:09 | < catadroid> | I did at least manage to make it to work |
| 10:09 | < catadroid> | that's probably an achievement of some sort |
| 10:10 | <@TheWatcher> | I wonder if Cheevos, God of Gaming hands out achievements to people who actually develop computer games... |
| 10:13 | <@Tarinaky> | iirc they actually implemented achievements in Visual Studio at one point. |
| 10:13 | <@Tarinaky> | But I think they took them out before release because wtf |
| 10:14 | <@TheWatcher> | Pfft |
| 10:14 | <@TheWatcher> | Combine that with a mic and speech recognition! |
| 10:15 | <@TheWatcher> | "You have gained: Guttermouth. [Use 14 profanities in less than 30 seconds]" |
| 10:20 | <@Tarinaky> | Rargh, why is my phone crashing. |
| 10:20 | <@TheWatcher> | Sunspots. |
| 10:38 | <@Tarinaky> | In the news: an amusing story about a russian-language bitlocker type malware that gives you an email address you can use to haggle with the hackers. |
| 10:38 | <@Tarinaky> | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32996008 |
| 10:41 | <@Tarinaky> | *funny accent* Russian bitlocker spend whole day queueing for bitcoin outside node only to be told that transaction not be processed and to go away until next block. |
| 10:42 | < catadroid> | o: |
| 10:42 | <@Tarinaky> | Russian bitlocker do not have rouble for bribes and transaction fees. Russian bitlocker just want bitcoin for family. |
| 10:43 | <@TheWatcher> | I AM THE MAN WHO ARRANGES THE BLOCKS~ |
| 10:46 | <@Tarinaky> | That're sent by the men from Kazakhstan. |
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| 10:46 | <@Tarinaky> | They come two weeks late, and they don't tessalate, |
| 10:46 | <@Tarinaky> | But we're working to Stalin's five year plan~ |
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| 14:26 | | * TheWatcher ARGHS at code |
| 14:27 | <@TheWatcher> | Why is this data not being formatted properly arghfucksodgah |
| 14:45 | < catadroid> | I'm writing pointers to values based on metadata that no longer exists when I'm writing them |
| 14:45 | < catadroid> | This is fun |
| 14:45 | < catadroid> | also perverted |
| 14:46 | <@Tarinaky> | Yeah, you dereference those pointers you naughty... |
| 14:46 | <@Tarinaky> | I'll stop now. |
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| 15:00 | <@TheWatcher> | DAMN YOU, BROWSER CACHE |
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| 15:13 | < catadroid> | oh dear, I've just used ->* in anger |
| 15:17 | | * TheWatcher eyes |
| 15:17 | <@TheWatcher> | "use a typedef!!! pleasae!!!" *cough* |
| 15:18 | <@TheWatcher> | -a |
| 15:19 | <@TheWatcher> | That amuses me far more than it should, for some reason. |
| 15:19 | < catadroid> | hehe |
| 15:20 | <@TheWatcher> | (I think it's the triple !!! - it speaks of a mind on the very edge of breaking...) |
| 15:20 | < catadroid> | don't worry, I've captured both the this pointer and the pointer to the member function in a lambda so I can add them type erased to a homogenous list |
| 15:20 | < catadroid> | I think I may have gone off the deep end |
| 15:24 | | * ToxicFrog tries to figure out what the hell the semantics of ->* even are |
| 15:25 | <@TheWatcher> | catadroid: going off the deep end is fine; as long as you can swim. |
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| 15:30 | <@celticminstrel> | I used ->* once. |
| 15:31 | <@TheWatcher> | And look what it did to you~ |
| 15:31 | <@Tarinaky> | Did it turn you into the 9-dimensional horror you are today? |
| 15:31 | <@celticminstrel> | In my algorithm to calculate where to place the insertion point in a text area based on the location clicked. |
| 15:31 | <@celticminstrel> | XD |
| 15:31 | <@celticminstrel> | Looking at it now, I'm not quite sure why I didn't just use a normal reference to the field. |
| 15:32 | <@celticminstrel> | (Reference to the insertion point location, that is.) |
| 15:32 | <@macdjord|wurk> | <TheWatcher> I AM THE MAN WHO ARRANGES THE BLOCKS~ |
| 15:32 | <@macdjord|wurk> | DAMN YOU! |
| 15:32 | <@celticminstrel> | But whatever, it's done, not bothering to fix it when it isn't broken. |
| 15:33 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh hey! I just got a stack overflow! I don't get those very often. |
| 15:33 | <@macdjord|wurk> | <TheWatcher> (I think it's the triple !!! - it speaks of a mind on the very edge of breaking...) |
| 15:33 | <@macdjord|wurk> | I thought it stood for 'quaity'? |
| 15:34 | <@Tarinaky> | Russian bitlocker finally get bitcoin to take home to family, but authorities stopped Russian bitlocker. |
| 15:34 | <@Tarinaky> | Demand to see Rusian bitlocker's ID. |
| 15:34 | <@Tarinaky> | Then they tell Russian bitlocker that ID not enough - worker's permit needed. Price is two bitcoins. |
| 15:34 | <@Tarinaky> | Russian bitlocker only want bitcoin for family. |
| 15:37 | <@macdjord|wurk> | Tarinaky: Glory to Arstotzka! |
| 15:37 | <@Tarinaky> | Russian bitlocker sent to node in Siberia. |
| 15:38 | <@Tarinaky> | Made to mine bitcoin all day. Guards taunt Russian bitlocker that family have already been shot. |
| 15:43 | | * celticminstrel is hopelessly abusing a probably-terrible idiom. case 0: x = 5; if(false) case 1: x = 7; /* then code common to both */ |
| 15:45 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm surprised that even compiled. |
| 15:45 | <@celticminstrel> | It's because switch statements are weird. |
| 15:45 | <@Tarinaky> | Yes. |
| 15:45 | <@celticminstrel> | And case labels are lexically identical to normal labels. |
| 15:49 | <@macdjord|wurk> | celticminstrel: That would be related to Duff's Device. |
| 15:50 | <@macdjord|wurk> | And yes it's a terrible idiom which you should only ever use if you are in an absolutely performance critical area where every cycle and byte of code counts - and if you are, why are you not using assembler? |
| 15:51 | <@macdjord|wurk> | Actually, if you aren't, why are you even using C[++|#]? |
| 15:55 | <@macdjord|wurk> | Really, /any/ case statement that uses fall-through should be considered deeply suspect, unless it's a logical sequence of the form switch (cur_step){case 0: do_step_0(); case 1: do_step_1();/*....*/}. |
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| 16:14 | < ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: case 0: case 1: x = 5 + 2*switchable; /* common code */ |
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| 16:21 | <@celticminstrel> | ToxicFrog: That wasn't the actual code I posted, just an illustration of the basic concept. :P |
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| 21:09 | <@celticminstrel> | My termination handler breaks after returning if it shows a dialog. |
| 21:11 | <@celticminstrel> | Something like EXC_BAD_ACCESS or EXC_ILLEGAL_INSTRUCTION in when the appleevent manager tries to free an autorelease pool? |
| 21:13 | <@celticminstrel> | It's after the control has left my code, so I'm not sure how this is happening... I suppose buffer overflow is a possibility, though not sure where I'd look for that... technically the dialog is an independent window.... |
| 21:19 | <&McMartin> | Are you deleting the dialog object inside its own event processor? |
| 21:19 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm pretty sure I'm not, but I'll check. |
| 21:22 | | * McMartin reads backscroll |
| 21:23 | <&McMartin> | There are lots of reasons to use C++ instead of assembler, and GUI implementation is one of the typical ones. |
| 21:23 | <&McMartin> | C# is more like Java than it is like C++ from a code-execution standpoint |
| 21:23 | <@celticminstrel> | The dialog run() function is admittedly host to several hacks to just get things working right, because I couldn't figure out the true cause of the issues. |
| 21:24 | <&McMartin> | EXC_BAD_ACCESS may mean that you're doing a double-release or a use-after-release |
| 21:24 | <@celticminstrel> | It was EXC_BAD_ACCESS at least once, but it's usually EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION. |
| 21:25 | <@celticminstrel> | It looks like it's crashing in the process of trying to print an error message. |
| 21:25 | <@celticminstrel> | "autorelease pool page %p corrupted\n magic %x %x %x %x\n pthread %p\n" |
| 21:27 | <@celticminstrel> | (This is after handling an applevent, deep in Cocoa code.) |
| 21:28 | <@celticminstrel> | ^+e |
| 21:28 | <&McMartin> | That does sound like you're trashing the event queue or the application stack or something |
| 21:29 | <&McMartin> | This is on OSX? |
| 21:29 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah. |
| 21:29 | <&McMartin> | There is a valgrind-like library called libgmalloc |
| 21:29 | <&McMartin> | Try getting it into place to test |
| 21:29 | <&McMartin> | If you're blowing out RAM somewhere it will make the crash happen at the write instead of the read. |
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| 21:30 | <@celticminstrel> | Is that "Guard Malloc"? Because I've enabled that. |
| 21:30 | <@celticminstrel> | (In the Scheme Editor.) |
| 21:30 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, it is |
| 21:31 | <&McMartin> | ISTR I needed to do something to also make it turn on |
| 21:33 | <@celticminstrel> | Eh? |
| 21:33 | <&McMartin> | Looks like Xcode should handle that though |
| 21:34 | <&McMartin> | via DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES |
| 21:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Well, I do see gmalloc lines at the top of the program log. |
| 21:34 | <&McMartin> | kk |
| 21:35 | <@celticminstrel> | Everything after that though is just my program's output (lots of debug code; I should probably get around to removing some of it...). |
| 21:35 | | * McMartin nods |
| 21:36 | <&McMartin> | EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION is, it occurs to me, probably a virtual call on a deleted object, so it's leaping off into nowhere interpreting garbage as a proc address |
| 21:37 | <@celticminstrel> | The stack said something like "_obc_trap", I think. |
| 21:38 | <&McMartin> | That might actually be gmalloc saying FOUND A PROBLEM HERE |
| 21:39 | <@celticminstrel> | I think that was before I enabled it though. |
| 21:40 | <@celticminstrel> | When I had it enabled I was getting the EXC_BAD_ACCESS near that format string call. |
| 21:40 | <&McMartin> | OK |
| 21:40 | <&McMartin> | Check that format string and make sure it's not blowing things out |
| 21:40 | <&McMartin> | That's the first theory for culprit |
| 21:41 | <@celticminstrel> | It crashed before the call. |
| 21:41 | <@celticminstrel> | I just noted the format string because I saw it in the assembly listing. |
| 21:41 | <&McMartin> | Is your code anywhere ont he stack in the EXC_BAD_ACCESS? |
| 21:42 | <@celticminstrel> | Just way down at the bottom (basically main()). |
| 21:42 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh. |
| 21:43 | <@celticminstrel> | I got that format string printed in the run log. |
| 21:43 | <@celticminstrel> | Though it's not very helpful. I have no idea what's at 0x101bcb000. |
| 21:45 | <@celticminstrel> | If I look, it's all zeros, which is likely also why the %x's are 0's. |
| 21:48 | <&McMartin> | Sounds like something has gotten nulled that it didn't expect |
| 21:48 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh, this time two of them weren't 0. |
| 21:49 | <@celticminstrel> | Could be, question is how! |
| 21:55 | <@celticminstrel> | With gmalloc it seems to crash just before trying to print that error. |
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| 22:02 | <@celticminstrel> | There's a stack logging option, but I have no idea how to read the stack logs (they seem to be in some binary format). |
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| 22:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh, hang on, this tells me to use something called malloc_history. |
| 22:03 | <&McMartin> | Huh, haven't heard of that one |
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| 22:13 | <@celticminstrel> | Doesn't look lke it'll be useful though. Too much data. |
| 22:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Well, the last few bits in the log are _NSAppleEventManagerGenericHandler | -[NSAppleEventManager dispatchRawAppleEvent:withRawReply:handlerRefCon:] | -[NSAppleEventHandling dealloc] | -[NSObject dealloc] | object_dispose | GMfree | GMmalloc_zone_free -- the first of those is visible in my call stack. |
| 22:15 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm not quite sure what to make of that information though... |
| 22:16 | | * celticminstrel scrolls up a bit more. |
| 22:16 | <@celticminstrel> | Ooh. |
| 22:17 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh wait, I finally noticed that each line starts with "FREE" or possibly other things. Hmm. |
| 22:17 | <@celticminstrel> | What I posted must've been part of a call stack then. |
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| 22:19 | | * celticminstrel decides to pipe it through grep to get just the lines including _NSAppleEventManagerGenericHandler in the call stack. |
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| 22:34 | <@gnolam> | https://twitter.com/westmaaan/status/604593723633102848 |
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| 22:58 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm not sure how I'm supposed to find anything useful in this mass of data. :/ |
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| 23:53 | <@celticminstrel> | Is there a way to tell git to change file X to the state currently staged in the index? |
| 23:55 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh hey, there's a checkout-index command. |
| 23:56 | <@celticminstrel> | ...actually, looks like normal checkout did it? Maybe? Whatever, it's fine now. |
| --- Log closed Sat Jun 06 00:00:01 2015 |