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| 00:40 | | * McMartin bashes some more at this frankenstein web page, gets stuff kinda working. |
| 00:41 | <&McMartin> | Now to clean most of this terrifying stuff up |
| 00:46 | <~Vornicus> | What'cha got? |
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| 00:55 | <&McMartin> | A semi-working version of Megaforge for MM7 and MM2. |
| 00:55 | | * McMartin uploads |
| 00:55 | <&McMartin> | The stuff in the HTML code seems to have been C&Ped from multiple sources and has tons of dead code and inconsistent formatting and such |
| 00:55 | <&McMartin> | I suspect 90% or more of it can ultimately go away |
| 00:56 | <&McMartin> | There's a reason I'm not pushing any HTML yet. =P |
| 00:58 | <&McMartin> | https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/megaforge-test/megaforge.htm |
| 00:59 | <&McMartin> | (Only 2, 7, and SFxMM are implemented. Eventually the megaforge module will self-document, but right now it doesn't) |
| 01:01 | <&McMartin> | The HTML base had been passed around between three or four authors that weren't talking, etc |
| 01:02 | <&McMartin> | So I'll probably have the core megaforge module that knows how to make passwords and describe them in a generic way, and then a separate module for building checklists and number inputs and displaying results, and if someone wanted fancier interfaces they can just talk to megaforge directly. |
| 01:03 | <&McMartin> | (The "how do I put multiple JS files in one" bit was because it would be kind of nice to have each game have its own file, but ehn.) |
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| 07:06 | < abudhabi> | Hmmm. Can Javascript do something like get an element of a remote html document? I mean, external to the site being developed, where getting said document would require reaching out into the internet. |
| 07:08 | <&McMartin> | Isn't that kind of what AJAX basically is? |
| 07:08 | <@Wizard> | External to the site? Sure, just be careful with same-origin and not allowing CSRF |
| 07:09 | < abudhabi> | CSRF? |
| 07:09 | <@Wizard> | https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Cross-Site_Request_Forgery_%28CSRF%29 |
| 07:09 | < abudhabi> | McMartin: Ionno. Never worked with AJAX. I don't even properly into Javascript. |
| 07:12 | < abudhabi> | Wizard: I don't think that will be a problem for just loading values into variables, right? |
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| 11:25 | | * TheWatcher sighs at C students |
| 11:26 | < abudhabi> | What did they do now? |
| 11:26 | <@TheWatcher> | I seriously wonder if some fo them actually /tes/t their code before they submit it. |
| 11:26 | < abudhabi> | Who needs testing? Sheesh. |
| 11:26 | <@TheWatcher> | s|/t|t/| |
| 12:28 | <@Tarinaky> | Answer: Yes, but working on the project the day before the deadline doesn't allow them to act upon the results of those tests. |
| 12:28 | <@Tarinaky> | And University encourages you to submit /anything/ because submitting nothing is worse than submitting a drawing of a penis. |
| 12:29 | <@Tarinaky> | And day before the deadline I mean 20:00 the day before a 09:30 hand-in. |
| 12:31 | <@TheWatcher> | I'd give that some weight, except that the comments in his code indicate that he had time to refactor it |
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| 12:31 | <@Tarinaky> | TheWatcher: He didn't use a code versioning system. |
| 12:31 | <@TheWatcher> | Sympathy, it is not mine. |
| 12:31 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm not seeking to solicit your sympathy. |
| 12:32 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm seeking to explain the incompetence that lead to this point. |
| 12:32 | <@TheWatcher> | (also, said student submitted 9 hours ahead of deadline) |
| 12:33 | <@Tarinaky> | Maybe they lost the will to go on? |
| 12:33 | <@Tarinaky> | idk |
| 12:34 | | * TheWatcher shrug |
| 12:34 | <@TheWatcher> | Doesn't make sense to me, but there you go. |
| 12:35 | <@Tarinaky> | That's because you have the experience of success and therefor more self-esteem to draw upon when you encounter a series of set backs? |
| 12:35 | <@Tarinaky> | Whereas this is what, a second year? |
| 12:35 | <@TheWatcher> | first year MSc |
| 12:35 | <@TheWatcher> | (conversion student) |
| 12:36 | <@Tarinaky> | Also: maybe it's a deployment issue and it "Works on my machine" |
| 12:37 | <@Tarinaky> | Although I suspect you're going to tell me there're no semicolons or something dumb. |
| 12:37 | <@TheWatcher> | int foo[COUNTERS]; ... foo[bar]++;... printf("Bar: %i\n", foo[bar]); basically. |
| 12:37 | <@TheWatcher> | note the missing initialiser. |
| 12:38 | <@Tarinaky> | That's kinda hard with truncation |
| 12:39 | <@Tarinaky> | foo is uninitialized? |
| 12:39 | <@TheWatcher> | Yep |
| 12:39 | <@Tarinaky> | Some compilers zero-out uninitialized variables. |
| 12:39 | <@Tarinaky> | If you pass the right combination of switches. |
| 12:39 | <@TheWatcher> | Compiling from the same code::blocks project as him, so *shrug* |
| 12:39 | <@Tarinaky> | Or maybe on his machine it just happens to grab a chunk of 0 memory |
| 12:39 | <@TheWatcher> | That's all I could think |
| 12:40 | <@TheWatcher> | Either he didn't test it, or he got lucky and had foo sitting on top of a zeroed block |
| 12:41 | <@Tarinaky> | My money is that his testing consisted of "Test failed." Hunh, that's strange, better run it again "Test passed." See the test passed. |
| 12:41 | <@Tarinaky> | Insert a certain amount of turning it off and on again. |
| 12:42 | <@TheWatcher> | Computer "Science" >.> |
| 12:46 | <@Tarinaky> | Wouldn't be the first person to rig an experiment's results by collecting more data until the noise agrees with him. |
| 12:51 | <@Tarinaky> | There really ought to be a better way to send links to myself at home. |
| 12:59 | <@TheWatcher> | `ssh tarinaky@server.thing 'echo "http://foo.bar/quux/" >> tmp/links_to_read'` ? |
| 13:00 | <@TheWatcher> | (Or use irssi+screen and a private channel?) |
| 13:00 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't have a server. |
| 13:05 | <@TheWatcher> | chrome bookmark sync? |
| 13:06 | <@Tarinaky> | I... really don't want to sync my home chrome and my work chrome. |
| 13:06 | <@Tarinaky> | Because I don't care to use incognito mode. |
| 13:38 | <@froztbyte> | do you not have a server by choice? |
| 13:38 | <@froztbyte> | (I ask since virtual servers are pretty damn cheap) |
| 13:38 | <@froztbyte> | (a non-crappy Digital Ocean machine clocks in at $5/m, which is peanuts) |
| 13:47 | <@Tarinaky> | I run my irc on someone elses server. |
| 13:48 | <@Tarinaky> | And haven't really got the extra effort to set up, migrate and maintain. |
| 13:49 | <@Tarinaky> | Plus I don't, you know, have any services to run. |
| 13:50 | <@froztbyte> | well |
| 13:50 | <@froztbyte> | sounds like you have problems that you could solve at $5/m |
| 13:50 | <@froztbyte> | or keep having |
| 13:54 | <@TheWatcher> | Uuugh. a function with 12 single-character name variables |
| 13:55 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, j, k, l, n? |
| 13:56 | <@froztbyte> | (just to fuck with the possible occasional OCD person) |
| 13:56 | <@Tarinaky> | Solve your problem today for the LOW LOW PRICE of only $3,600* USD! (*assuming I live to be 85) |
| 13:56 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: you're being absurd |
| 13:57 | <@froztbyte> | at least, I see it that way |
| 13:57 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm not sure my problem is worth 5$ a month. |
| 13:57 | <@froztbyte> | anyway, the option's there. feel free to use it, or alternatively feel free to keep having the problems you do. |
| 13:57 | <@TheWatcher> | froztbyte: d, e, g, h, l, n, p, s, t, u, y, z |
| 13:57 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: oh, even better |
| 13:57 | <@froztbyte> | TheWatcher: that's great |
| 13:58 | <@TheWatcher> | with no actual correspondence between the letters and anything they might be used for |
| 13:59 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, oh. I missed 'f'. |
| 13:59 | | * TheWatcher facepalms |
| 13:59 | <@froztbyte> | are j or k used elsewhere? |
| 13:59 | <@TheWatcher> | no |
| 13:59 | <@froztbyte> | :D:D:D |
| 14:00 | <@TheWatcher> | I have no idea wtf |
| 14:00 | | Irssi: #code: Total of 21 nicks [15 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 6 normal] |
| 14:00 | <@Tarinaky> | Services like dropbox and github used to be problems that were solveable by "rent a server" and now we have cheaper/better solutions~ |
| 14:01 | <@froztbyte> | okay, so get an irccloud account at $5/m |
| 14:01 | <@froztbyte> | there's tons of services available |
| 14:01 | <@Tarinaky> | I already have free IRC. |
| 14:01 | <@froztbyte> | having your own scratchbox server is, however, slightly more useful generally :D |
| 14:02 | <@Tarinaky> | For what? |
| 14:02 | <@froztbyte> | for whatever. I've got like 8 of the damn things |
| 14:02 | <@froztbyte> | VPNs and testing and network failover and things that make my life easier and and and |
| 14:03 | <@froztbyte> | anyway |
| 14:03 | <@froztbyte> | the option's always there |
| 14:03 | < abudhabi> | Urgh. |
| 14:03 | <@froztbyte> | if it's not one you want, then that's perfectly fine |
| 14:03 | < abudhabi> | How do I make a combobox in HTML? |
| 14:03 | <@froztbyte> | I just think it's silly not to because it'd really sort out a bunch of pain for you |
| 14:03 | <@froztbyte> | abudhabi: got some goats? |
| 14:04 | < abudhabi> | That bad? |
| 14:04 | <@froztbyte> | everything to do with HTML seems like insane sorcery to me |
| 14:04 | <@Tarinaky> | "There should be a better way to send future me at home URLs than privmsging myself on IRC and forgetting to check IRC when I get home and subsequently losing the links in the nosie of life" |
| 14:04 | <@froztbyte> | anyway, it probably isn't quite that bad |
| 14:04 | <@Tarinaky> | Is not a 'bunch of pain' |
| 14:04 | <@Tarinaky> | At best it's a minor inconvenience. |
| 14:04 | < abudhabi> | Send yourself an email. |
| 14:05 | <@froztbyte> | abudhabi: do you mean something more than the general <select ...>, btw? |
| 14:05 | <@TheWatcher> | abudhabi: ISTR you have jquery available? There's several plugins for that you could try |
| 14:05 | <@TheWatcher> | http://plugins.jquery.com/tag/combobox/ |
| 14:05 | <@Tarinaky> | And inevitably I save the bookmark to read later and then can't find it again because bookmarks are smegging useless. |
| 14:05 | <@froztbyte> | but yeah, if jquery's up your alley, you're guaranteed to have options |
| 14:06 | <@froztbyte> | for a couple other libs there are issues too |
| 14:09 | < abudhabi> | I want an input where I can select from a list, or input a new text value. |
| 14:09 | < abudhabi> | I've been trying with select2, but that thing is so bloody difficult to use for anything you actually might want it's unbelievable. |
| 14:12 | <@froztbyte> | like I said, sorcery |
| 14:12 | <@froztbyte> | knowing arcana about kernels and interrupts and protocols and hardware still seems easier than webs |
| 14:13 | < abudhabi> | Webs is awful. |
| 14:15 | < abudhabi> | TheWatcher: Are any of those good? |
| 14:17 | <@TheWatcher> | Dunno, I don't use jQuery usually |
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| 19:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | memtest86+, x86test, HDT, freedos, seatools, optional puppy. What else should I add to a rescue USB stick? |
| 19:15 | < abudhabi> | Locusts. |
| 19:15 | < [R]> | If you're dealing with Windows shit, the utility to fuck around with NT's passwords |
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| 19:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | [R]: not a bad idea. I'm not, generally, but my friends sometimes are. |
| 19:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | The restriction here is that anything I add has to be loadable from syslinux, which means isos need to be unpacked into initrd/kernel and, if they need to be able to find things outside that, need to have some flexibility in where they look. |
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| 23:16 | <&McMartin> | Ah, I see Rust's IO and Path APIs have formally stabilized. |
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