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| 01:06 | < ToxicFrog> | ...wow. |
| 01:06 | < ToxicFrog> | The GIMP tutorial on line-drawing is a bit of epic douchebaggery. |
| 01:07 | < McMartin> | I believe I've mentioned this several dozen times already. |
| 01:07 | <@Derakon> | Link? |
| 01:07 | < McMartin> | Still, it cannot be repeated often enough. |
| 01:08 | < ToxicFrog> | This is the first time I've seen it. |
| 01:08 | | * McMartin also occasionally amplifies it to "is the paragon of everything that is malign about the open-source movement" |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | It's particularly hilarious because it is the only drawing program in existence that does it this way. |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | Every. |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | Other. |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | One. |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | Including. |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | Single. |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | MS PAINT. |
| 01:08 | < McMartin> | Does it with a Line Tool. |
| 01:08 | | * Derakon prods for a link. |
| 01:09 | < ToxicFrog> | Argh. Voice me? |
| 01:09 | < ToxicFrog> | I cannot be arsed to update my O:line at this hour |
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| 01:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Straight_Line/ |
| 01:10 | <@Derakon> | Danke. |
| 01:11 | <@Derakon> | Wow, that is pretty rude. |
| 01:13 | < McMartin> | Also notice that the thing it doesn't actually tell you also wasn't in the manual until like GIMP 2.3. |
| 01:13 | < McMartin> | (That being "holding shift forces straight lines") |
| 01:14 | < McMartin> | It also didn't used to actually be on the official site. |
| 01:14 | < McMartin> | What the Christ. |
| 01:14 | | * McMartin gets NSIS to install printers. |
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| 04:07 | < Reiver> | ... doesn't shift in most other applications snap to vert/horiz/etc? |
| 04:08 | <@Derakon> | In Photoshop it locks you to 45° increments. |
| 04:08 | < Reiver> | That was the etc, yeah |
| 04:09 | < Reiver> | I've also played with ones where you could set the increment (So you could do 30deg angles etc as well, if you wanted.) |
| 04:49 | < Tarinaky> | ... I can't believe that's an official manual. |
| 04:49 | < Tarinaky> | Wow. That's... I want to punch the author of that. |
| 04:53 | <@Vornicus> | Better: "Yeah, I know. Drawing a line is a pretty simple thing. So we're going to show off a bunch of other stuff to see the kind of stuff you can do while drawing a line. |
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| 07:39 | < McMartin> | Now, as I was saying. |
| 07:39 | < McMartin> | He needs to code stuff in. |
| 07:39 | < McMartin> | Why does he need the full game script for this? |
| 07:39 | < McMartin> | It seems one of the following two things would work: |
| 07:40 | < McMartin> | - An interaction skeleton, to be fleshed out later. |
| 07:40 | < McMartin> | - An interaction *schema* in which any interaction could be expressed, such that the writers become, well, scripters |
| 07:41 | < Roscoe> | I ... apologize, McM. You're talking to a Humanities building chap. Could you rephrase that in Captain Dummytalk? |
| 07:42 | < McMartin> | Let's translate it to putting on a play. |
| 07:42 | < Roscoe> | okay |
| 07:42 | < McMartin> | He's the stage crew. |
| 07:42 | < McMartin> | He's saying he needs the whole script. Doesn't he really just need... |
| 07:42 | < McMartin> | - the cues |
| 07:42 | < McMartin> | or |
| 07:42 | < McMartin> | - a way of describing stage directions so that when you, er, feed it the script everything can go (the metaphor breaks down a little here) |
| 07:43 | < Roscoe> | No, I think I follow. |
| 07:44 | < McMartin> | (For an example of the first, look at the UQM script and just look at the names of the speeches instead of the speeches themselves) |
| 07:44 | < McMartin> | Now, the *writers* may champ at that first one - they have to work out the whole plot and motivations and stuff without the meat that would let them do so |
| 07:44 | < McMartin> | But I'm kind of surprised the coders would so champ |
| 07:44 | < Roscoe> | The cues are written into the scenes. |
| 07:45 | < Roscoe> | Although scenarios are getting shorter and shorter and more and more interwoven. |
| 07:45 | < Roscoe> | It's less a few long scenarios than many intertextual scenarios. |
| 07:45 | < Roscoe> | Less and less distinct events. |
| 07:46 | < McMartin> | Hrm. |
| 07:47 | < McMartin> | Yeah, that sounds like something where you'd want to sketch out placeholder lines for each scenario |
| 07:47 | < McMartin> | Then link them all up right. |
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| 07:48 | < Roscoe> | Flyign entirely by the seat of my pants, I've decided to use the wiki to test the logics. |
| 07:48 | < Roscoe> | Make sure one thing leads to another. |
| 07:48 | < Roscoe> | Insert "if Rumiko <3 is greater than 3, then run this scenario..." and the like |
| 07:48 | < McMartin> | That's the part that will kill the coders, unless they're up to making a minilanguage for specifying the branches in the script text |
| 07:49 | < Roscoe> | The engine's just distinct events. |
| 07:49 | < Roscoe> | It tracks variables from event to event, but. |
| 07:49 | < McMartin> | Yeah, I'm thinking more "weave the links into the engine, or the event transfer, or something like that" |
| 07:49 | < Roscoe> | It's just a collection of "background, character, text, special-art". |
| 07:49 | < Roscoe> | That all interact in new and fascinating ways. |
| 07:50 | | * McMartin nods |
| 07:50 | < McMartin> | I think what you need to do is call a meeting and get people to explain what they need and *why they need it* |
| 07:50 | < Roscoe> | Meeting's been held. |
| 07:50 | < McMartin> | That way partial deliverables will be possible. |
| 07:51 | < Roscoe> | If we could get them scripts for particular events, they can start. |
| 07:51 | < Roscoe> | A scenario is a series of relatively close-linked events. |
| 07:52 | < Roscoe> | I've been splitting it up into scenario = day |
| 07:52 | < Roscoe> | We have eighty days. |
| 07:53 | | * McMartin nods |
| 07:53 | < McMartin> | My intuition is that the engine might stand to be just a tad more general, since it seems like the linkages between events sound like they're the kinds of things you'd want to edit |
| 07:54 | < McMartin> | But I have a bias towards that sort of design, so YMMV |
| 07:54 | < McMartin> | Anyway, that's really all I had to say |
| 07:55 | | * Roscoe nods |
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| 22:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 22:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | mmap(2) is returning 0xFFFFFFFF |
| 22:31 | <@Vornicus> | That doesn't sound like something it should be doing. |
| 22:31 | <@Vornicus> | Doesn't it usually give a pointer to the beginning of mapped memory? |
| 22:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aha |
| 22:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | On failure, it doesn't return NULL |
| 22:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | It returns MAP_FAILED, which is (void *)(-1) |
| 22:32 | <@Vornicus> | It ret... an errno. |
| 22:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | God knows why it can't return NULL like all the other memory management functions >.< |
| 22:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways, turned out I was forgetting the MAP_PRIVATE flag. |
| 22:35 | <@Derakon> | Is there more than one type of error condition? |
| 22:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oooh yes. |
| 22:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | But it returns MAP_FAILED for all of them, and sets errno. |
| 22:35 | <@Derakon> | Well that is silly. |
| 22:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | On success, mmap() returns a pointer to the mapped area. On error, the value MAP_FAILED (that is, (void *) -1) is |
| 22:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | returned, and errno is set appropriately. On success, munmap() returns 0, on failure -1, and errno is set (proba- |
| 22:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | bly to EINVAL). |
| 22:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Valid errors: EACCES EAGAIN EBADF EINVAL (three times) ENFILE ENODEV ENOMEM EPERM ETXTBSY SIGSEGV SIGBUS |
| 22:40 | <@Vornicus> | I like how google understands man commands. |
| 22:40 | <@Derakon> | It doesn't understand 'man man'. :( |
| 22:41 | <@Vornicus> | flerg, no, that does not work. |
| 23:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Linux understands man commands? |
| 23:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Er |
| 23:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | google does? |
| 23:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Not from here it doesn't... |
| 23:05 | | * ToxicFrog shakes clock(3) until useful values come out of it |
| 23:06 | <@Vornicus> | Untill I tried man man and man 1 man I never got it to fail. |
| 23:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | I find that it tends to consistently return one of a few man page sites, but that's just because they rank highly |
| 23:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | For example, "3 man clock" and "man 3 clock" return exactly the same results, the first of which is the linux.die.net entry. |
| 23:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | "man man" doesn't work because it's optimized to just "man" |
| 23:10 | <@AnnoDomini> | !man man |
| 23:10 | < KarmaBot> | man: Same as !help. |
| 23:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm |
| 23:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Performance testing this code on the data given is going to be tricky |
| 23:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | As even using brute force it runs faster than the clock resolution |
| 23:43 | <@Vornicus> | pff |
| 23:50 | | * ToxicFrog throws away the piddling 37kb test file and stuffs a 1.6MB ebook down its throat |
| 23:52 | <@Vornicus> | What is this tool for? |
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