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| --- Day changed Tue Jun 10 2014 |
| 00:00 | < Shades_Corvid> | Shit, if anything just look at gaming tech. I am old enough to say that I have been using gaming consoles since the NES and look where we are from that in 6 console generations (roughly 30 years) and that isn't including handhelds |
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| 00:03 | < Shades_Corvid> | welcome Graf! |
| 00:03 | | * mraichelson agrees |
| 00:03 | < mraichelson> | 25 years of computing: http://imgur.com/rRNqOgJ |
| 00:03 | < Graf> | Hey, thanks |
| 00:03 | < mraichelson> | hola |
| 00:03 | < Soren> | Yep. |
| 00:06 | < Shades_Corvid> | but the rail gun could be very much a master of space weapons, or worse yet just a mass accelerator. That is the theme for one of my fleet ideas for the miner mercs. Useless left over rock bits from asteroid mining, put it in the mass accelerator! |
| 00:07 | < Soren> | The problem is hitting things with it. |
| 00:07 | < Soren> | Space is big. |
| 00:08 | | * mraichelson cues the h2g2 explanation of space |
| 00:08 | < Shades_Corvid> | Of course these are the same guys that turn asteroids into ships. Very true Soren but if everyone has this range limit then everyone is going to have to get close...it is Battleships all over again |
| 00:08 | < Soren> | If you have high-thrust propulsion, youāre better off with missiles, because it costs less of your mass ratio to carry missiles that mostly hit rathet than a shitload of railgun slugs that miss 99% of the time. |
| 00:09 | < Soren> | If you have low-thrust propulsion, it doesnāt matter how the projectile gets to the right spot, just that it gets there on time for the other guy to run into it and die. |
| 00:09 | < Soren> | A handful of gravel would work just as well. |
| 00:10 | < Shades_Corvid> | I will always present 'this is a game' argument and two, in my flavor this is also what I think my fleet would use for frame defense |
| 00:10 | < Soren> | But up close, in those one-in-a-million situations where youāre close enough and the other guy is close enough and everythingās going just right, you could do incredible damage with them. |
| 00:11 | < Soren> | Youād be talking about something more like a deck-mounted 25mm chain gun or one of those rapid0fire 76mm guns than a battleshipās 14- or 16-inch cannon, though. |
| 00:12 | < Soren> | Aesthetically, of course, railguns are purest driven wonderful, though, so go for it. |
| 00:12 | < Shades_Corvid> | I was thinking more about the style of combat then the literal battleship |
| 00:13 | < Shades_Corvid> | "Captain, it always amazes me that we never seem to run into a spaceship that looks upside down to us..." |
| 00:14 | < Soren> | Mmm. Well, it doesnāt really matter what kind of weapons you posit, then. Missile, lasers, railguns, if it were capable of looking like battleships-in-space at all, it would depend on other stuff. |
| 00:14 | < Soren> | The lack of a speed-size relationship is probably what scotches it. |
| 00:17 | < Soren> | That, and the complete impossibility of stealth. |
| 00:17 | < Soren> | So thereās a lot that has to be ignored to make a fun game. |
| 00:19 | < Shades_Corvid> | There is stealth in IO? |
| 00:20 | < Soren> | No? |
| 00:20 | < Soren> | But weāre talking, i can see wvery maneuver you made in the last three months level of no-stealth. |
| 00:20 | < Soren> | every* |
| 00:21 | < Soren> | So itās hard to acheive surprise except by treachery. |
| 00:22 | < Soren> | Thereās a potentially interesting thing here, but itās pretty divorced from the thing weāre making. |
| 00:22 | < Shades_Corvid> | Which is what a lot of modern 'stealth' is |
| 00:23 | < Soren> | Yeah, but you can hide things on a planetary surface or in an atmosphere. You canāt hide anything in space. |
| 00:24 | < Soren> | Even things inside your ship, to an extent; if I can do spectranalysis of your exhaust, i can guess the mass of your ship and thus whatās on it. |
| 00:25 | < Soren> | You might get ships that fit the same role that battleships did (big, tough, and mean slabs of armor that could, in a pinch, make the other guy lose just as badly if he started anything) but the tactics would eb completely different. |
| 00:26 | < Soren> | be* |
| 00:26 | < Shades_Corvid> | but there is also a lot of stuff in space that can fuck with stuff or you might be able to fake, detection wise. Two, you would have to get a sample of the exhaust which I could see as being both hard and easy. |
| 00:26 | < Soren> | Nope, just takes a telescope. |
| 00:26 | < Soren> | We do it with stars all the time, so weāve got plenty of practice. |
| 00:29 | < Soren> | Youād probably be looking at something like ābattleships, if they fought like submarines that couldnāt hide from each other.ā |
| 00:30 | < Soren> | really short, ridiculously high-intensity combat, the kind where youāre dead before the nerve impulses that indicate your mistake reach your brain. |
| 00:31 | < Graf> | Yeah, space fights should realistically be rocket tag. |
| 00:32 | < Soren> | Again, this is assuming nothing changes radically. But the no-stealtht hing is hard to bust, and that determines a lot. |
| 00:34 | < Soren> | That said, I have a hard time believing in gigawatt lasers or cost-effective missiles, so that one is insoluble because you have to make up the technology to make up the technology and at that point youāre arguing starting assumptions. |
| 00:39 | < Graf> | "Cost-effective missiles" is a funny sort of oxymoron |
| 00:40 | < Rex> | "Cost-effective" is kind of subjective, if you get my meaning. |
| 00:40 | < Rex> | Say a cruise missile is worth a certain amount of money. |
| 00:41 | < Rex> | Let's just say 250 million dollars, for simplicity. |
| 00:42 | < Rex> | Weigh that against the cost of sending in helicopters and soldiers/equipment to eliminate a target. |
| 00:43 | < Rex> | Not exactly an exact parallel, but the comparison still works. |
| 00:46 | < Graf> | Oh yeah, I get like the actual economic cost-benefit thing |
| 00:47 | < Graf> | Just space missiles is kind of grimly funny. |
| 00:48 | < Rex> | Explosives are funny in space. |
| 00:49 | < Rex> | Explosions are larger because there's no atmosphere to resist it, but there is no shockwave. |
| 00:52 | < Graf> | Haha, yeah. But I mean like, missiles are just tiny spaceships |
| 00:52 | < Graf> | They're bound by the rocket equation just like the ship that's carrying them |
| 00:53 | < Graf> | So you're building a tiny spaceship and sticking it on your bigger spaceship, where it will do nothing but make your spaceship less efficient until you send it to go blow up some other guy's spaceship inefficiently carrying tiny spaceships |
| 00:56 | < Graf> | I can't think of anything less cost effective than spaceships fighting. |
| 00:56 | < Shades_Corvid> | LASERS ARE THE SOLUTION! or some other kind of beamish thing... *devil's advocate over here* |
| 00:56 | < Shades_Corvid> | or not so tiny spaceships aka spacefighters... |
| 01:00 | < Graf> | Fighters are probably even worse. Your missiles don't care when they run out of delta-v, miss, and sail off into space forever. Your fighter pilots might though. |
| 01:00 | < Graf> | I mean, none of this matters because it's all awesome anyway. |
| 01:01 | < Shades_Corvid> | * to Graf |
| 01:01 | < Shades_Corvid> | but you could kind of say the same thing about fighter planes except they just plumet to the ground... |
| 01:06 | < Graf> | Not really. Planes transformed naval combat because a plane is fundamentally different than a ship. Ships are big and huge and slow and carry a lot more ship than engine/fuel. Planes are quick and fast and carry about as much fuel/engine as plane. But space-fighters move the same way space-fighter-carriers do, both of them need more fuel than ship. |
| 01:07 | < Graf> | If your space-fighter-carrier has fighters on it, you're making your carrier worse than if you didn't. If mine doesn't, I can just fire my engines and outrun you and your fighters. |
| 01:09 | < Graf> | Because my ship has more delta-v than either your carriers or your fighters, or both of them together. |
| 01:10 | < Graf> | If you've got better engines than I do, I'm screwed anyway so you don't even need fighters. |
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| 03:30 | < MittenNinja> | heyo |
| 03:30 | < mraichelson> | hola |
| 03:30 | < mraichelson> | counting down hours to the con? |
| 03:31 | < MittenNinja> | counting down u til i get my last few bricklink orders in |
| 03:31 | < mraichelson> | lol |
| 03:31 | < MittenNinja> | then i have to build and organize |
| 03:31 | < MittenNinja> | then i can count down until the con :p |
| 03:32 | < MittenNinja> | i think i may be able to squeeze out one more company than i originally thought |
| 03:32 | < mraichelson> | nice |
| 03:33 | < MittenNinja> | if i sell my azure trident too, i should have 7 |
| 03:36 | < mraichelson> | have you gotten a feel for how many people are going to be taking part in the tournament? |
| 03:42 | < MittenNinja> | not really. i know we ahould have at least 5 or ao |
| 03:42 | < MittenNinja> | but we may be able to suck a few people in from the first day of the con too |
| 03:43 | < MittenNinja> | plus im sure there are people that havent said anything that may show up for it too |
| 03:43 | < mraichelson> | yeah, hopefully the āooh, is that legoā factor will help suck some in. :) |
| 03:44 | < MittenNinja> | that and the fact that we will have everything needed to play available to buy helps too |
| 03:44 | < MittenNinja> | and you know, josh helping demo |
| 03:44 | < mraichelson> | yah. |
| 03:45 | < MittenNinja> | if they dont want to spring for a custom company they can always buy a few chub kits |
| 03:45 | < mraichelson> | i wanted to get dave the chubs he ordered in time for the con, but iām hung up waiting for an order off bricklink. :\ |
| 03:45 | < MittenNinja> | lame |
| 03:45 | < Rex> | Hello MN. |
| 03:45 | < MittenNinja> | sup rex |
| 03:46 | < Rex> | I regret to inform you that I will be stealing one of your led designs. |
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| 03:47 | < Rex> | I'm a leg man, and those legs are so good. |
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| 03:49 | < MittenNinja> | whoa that was interesting. |
| 03:49 | < MittenNinja> | what did you say rex? i missed that |
| 03:51 | < Rex> | Sorry, I'm currently swooning over an E3 announcement. |
| 03:51 | < Rex> | I'm stealing one of your leg designs. |
| 03:51 | < MittenNinja> | which one? |
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| 03:52 | < MittenNinja> | wtf? |
| 03:52 | < MittenNinja> | oh wait |
| 03:52 | < MittenNinja> | that was my clone... |
| 03:52 | < mraichelson> | itās an army of MittenNinjas. |
| 03:53 | < Rex> | Um |
| 03:53 | < Rex> | I don't have the picture handy. |
| 03:53 | < Rex> | It's a tap on the foot connected to a 1x1 holder thing on a 1x2 tile hinge. |
| 03:59 | < MittenNinja> | from the meerkat? |
| 03:59 | < Rex> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/mittenninja/13792226694/ |
| 03:59 | < Rex> | I'm a leg man. |
| 04:00 | < MittenNinja> | yeah. thats actually a soren design |
| 04:00 | < Rex> | Figures it's the Wizard's work. |
| 04:01 | < Rex> | He has some sort of Lego magic. |
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| 04:03 | < MittenNinja> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/bricklovinfreakboy/9566251411/ |
| 04:03 | < MittenNinja> | thats the original |
| 04:05 | < MittenNinja> | speaking of legs, i really need to revisit my roadrunner build |
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| 04:06 | < Rex> | Oh man, bagels. |
| 04:06 | < MittenNinja> | bagels? |
| 04:08 | < Rex> | Soren's got bagels in his picture thing. |
| 04:11 | < MittenNinja> | ah |
| 04:14 | < MittenNinja> | man i just want to be building right now |
| 04:14 | < MittenNinja> | stupid work :p |
| 04:16 | | * mraichelson built another smidgeon while procrastinating today |
| 04:19 | < Rex> | Responsibilities, right? |
| 04:19 | < mraichelson> | totally |
| 04:19 | < MittenNinja> | yeah. mortgage, car payment, etc |
| 04:19 | < MittenNinja> | why cant building tiny lego robots pay all my bills? |
| 04:20 | < mraichelson> | :) |
| 04:21 | < MittenNinja> | i do really like your smidgens dude |
| 04:21 | < mraichelson> | lol, ty |
| 04:21 | < mraichelson> | nobody ever seems to go for āmake it look kind of ricketyā |
| 04:21 | < Rex> | What is this now? |
| 04:21 | < MittenNinja> | they rind me of jenners/ravens from battletech |
| 04:22 | < MittenNinja> | *remind |
| 04:23 | < mraichelson> | Rex: these https://www.flickr.com/photos/nifkin/sets/72157644185801480/ |
| 04:23 | < Rex> | Oh no, they're so cute. |
| 04:24 | < mraichelson> | looks like i forgot to add a bunch to the album. dāoh. |
| 04:24 | < Rex> | I feel like there should be a hugging picture. |
| 04:25 | < MittenNinja> | sometimes i really dont like that some mfz builds come off as cute |
| 04:25 | < MittenNinja> | but then sometimes i love it |
| 04:26 | < mraichelson> | i spent a couple hours one day looking for little john deere decals for models. i wanted to make some of them there were green and yellow with the logos on them. |
| 04:26 | < mraichelson> | like REALLY obviously farm equipment. |
| 04:27 | < Rex> | I don't know how you guys do it. |
| 04:28 | < Rex> | I'm trying to make a new frame but I can't really pull my vision together. |
| 04:29 | < MittenNinja> | for me its really hard to start with a very specific image in my head. |
| 04:30 | < MittenNinja> | i usually come up with a new design by fiddling with parts |
| 04:30 | < mraichelson> | fiddling with parts. trying connections from other peopleās builds. |
| 04:30 | < MittenNinja> | my hoplites were actually developed from trying to build something smaller than an iguana but with a similar vibe |
| 04:31 | < mraichelson> | iāve gotten a couple things i liked my having sort of a āconceptā idea without trying to get too much ālookā sorted in advance. |
| 04:31 | < mraichelson> | thatās kind of where the behemoths came from. āsome kind of giant bug/snailā |
| 04:31 | < MittenNinja> | yeah |
| 04:32 | < MittenNinja> | loose concepts and ideas generally yeild better results |
| 04:32 | < mraichelson> | but there are plenty of āmissesā that just donāt go up on flickr. ;) |
| 04:32 | < Rex> | I can't shake this idea. |
| 04:33 | < mraichelson> | only a few that were real āno, take this apart, no photos, letās never speak of this againā episodes. |
| 04:33 | < MittenNinja> | yeah ive had a few of those |
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| 04:35 | < MittenNinja> | sup mantis? |
| 04:35 | < Mantisking> | Sup, Mittens. :-) |
| 04:35 | < Mantisking> | How's things? |
| 04:36 | < Rex> | Did anyone else watch E3 stuff? |
| 04:36 | < Rex> | I'm kind of swooning over here a bit. |
| 04:38 | < MittenNinja> | pretty good. just itching to finish up my builds for con |
| 04:38 | < MittenNinja> | i havent yet |
| 04:38 | < Mantisking> | How far away is the con? |
| 04:38 | < MittenNinja> | i wanted to see stuff from destiny, cod, and mirrors edge |
| 04:38 | < MittenNinja> | this weekend |
| 04:38 | < Mantisking> | I was building the night before PAX East. |
| 04:39 | < Rex> | Omg |
| 04:39 | < MittenNinja> | im mainly waiting for orders to come in |
| 04:39 | < Rex> | Destiny and Mirror's Edge was all I wanted to see this year, everything else was gravy. |
| 04:40 | < MittenNinja> | i know destiny has been looking awesome, but howd ME look? |
| 04:40 | < Mantisking> | I'm waiting for a BL order myself. |
| 04:41 | < Rex> | Mirror's Edge or Mass Effect? Because the answers are wildly different. |
| 04:41 | < Mantisking> | "Sir Mix-A-Lot performs 'Baby Got Back' with Seattle Symphony" http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/06/09/sir-mix-a-lot-seattle-s ymphony/10222125/ |
| 04:41 | < Rex> | Seriously though, it looked... |
| 04:42 | < Rex> | It was all like alpha concept footage or something. |
| 04:42 | < Rex> | It it looked really spartan, moreso than it should. |
| 04:42 | < Rex> | But it looks very promising. |
| 04:45 | < Rex> | Swoop from Little Big Planet 2 is too cute. Assassin's Creed looks amazing, huge reveals everywhere. |
| 04:45 | < Rex> | I can barely contain myself. |
| 04:48 | < MittenNinja> | there are very few games that legitimately excite me anymore |
| 04:48 | < Rex> | Just those two? |
| 04:48 | < MittenNinja> | destiny for sure |
| 04:48 | < MittenNinja> | mirrors edge is more of a curiosity than excitement |
| 04:49 | < Rex> | The first one was insanely fun. |
| 04:49 | < MittenNinja> | i liked a lot of the concepts in the first, but it was very rough around the edges |
| 04:49 | < Rex> | Very much so. |
| 04:49 | < MittenNinja> | overall it wasn't a great game, but it had the potential to be |
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| 04:50 | < Rex> | I was leaning towards Xbox with the price drop, but PS 4 is winning me over, I think. |
| 04:50 | < MittenNinja> | i havent enjoyed an AC game since AC 2 |
| 04:50 | < MittenNinja> | ps4 is superior in pretty much every way |
| 04:50 | < Rex> | I stopped playing 30 minutes into 3. |
| 04:50 | < Mantisking> | I wonder if this is compatible with the new Mixel ball joints? http://brickset.com/parts/6055629 |
| 04:50 | < Rex> | I need the Halo collection though. |
| 04:51 | < MittenNinja> | doesnt look like it mantis |
| 04:51 | < Rex> | Halo 2 is so good. |
| 04:51 | < MittenNinja> | halo also has been pretty bleh to me since the first |
| 04:52 | < Rex> | I can't bring myself to care about PS exclusives though. |
| 04:52 | < MittenNinja> | and bungie isnt even making it anymore |
| 04:52 | < MittenNinja> | you dont need to |
| 04:52 | < MittenNinja> | other than halo and titanfall (which gets old fast) there arent really any xbox exclusives |
| 04:53 | < Rex> | I mean, The Last of Us is supposed to be good, I guess. And The Order 1886 has monsters, and I love me some monsters. |
| 04:53 | < Rex> | Destiny is basically a PS4 exclusive. |
| 04:53 | < MittenNinja> | yeah |
| 04:53 | < MittenNinja> | so is ESO |
| 04:53 | < Rex> | Exclusive content out the wazoo. |
| 04:54 | < MittenNinja> | they actually pushed back the release of ESO because the Xbox couldnt handle it as coded |
| 04:54 | < Rex> | Uncharted looked cool, too, I guess. |
| 04:54 | < MittenNinja> | uncharted is an amazing game |
| 04:55 | < Rex> | The problem is that I don't know anyone with a PS. |
| 04:55 | < MittenNinja> | and why is that a problem? |
| 04:56 | < Rex> | AC co op missions look great, Destiny without friends would be pointless. |
| 04:57 | < Rex> | I'm huge on cooperative multiplayer. |
| 04:57 | < Rex> | Competitive not so much. |
| 04:57 | < MittenNinja> | yes but its easier to make new friends on ps than Xbox |
| 04:58 | < MittenNinja> | its not filled with whiny 13 yr olds |
| 04:58 | < MittenNinja> | plus ill totally play destiny with you. |
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| 04:58 | < MittenNinja> | and ive got friends on there too |
| 05:00 | < Rex> | I can already feel my wallet crying. |
| 05:01 | < Rex> | It's going to go hungry, it seems. |
| 05:05 | < Mantisking> | Time for me to call it a night. Later. |
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| 05:16 | < Ced23Ric> | Heya Greg. |
| 05:16 | < Ced23Ric> | You wanted me yesterday? |
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| 05:22 | < MittenNinja1> | oh yeah |
| 05:22 | < MittenNinja1> | nothing really. just wanted to see how your demos were going |
| 05:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, I posted the one that happened so far. :D |
| 05:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Anyway, gotta head to work. |
| 05:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Later man! |
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| 15:55 | < Rex> | 'Morning, gentlemen. |
| 15:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Heya! |
| 15:56 | < Ced23Ric> | I came home to the wind having smashed my kitchen glass door. |
| 15:56 | < Ced23Ric> | And an ashtray. |
| 15:57 | < Rex> | That's weird. |
| 15:57 | < Ced23Ric> | The ashtray is in particular. |
| 15:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Maybe it was the heat. |
| 15:57 | < Ced23Ric> | It jumped from low 19Ā°C to high 35Ā°C today. |
| 15:57 | < Rex> | Wow |
| 15:57 | < Ced23Ric> | That's like ... 70 to 100F, I think. |
| 15:58 | < Rex> | Something like that. |
| 15:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Buuut ... I found out that I am 10mins faster if I go by bike rather than take the public transport system. |
| 15:58 | < Ced23Ric> | So it took me 30 instead of 40 minutes. |
| 15:58 | < Rex> | Faster to where? |
| 15:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Home from work. |
| 15:59 | < Rex> | Oh, well that's some pretty good exercise. |
| 15:59 | < Ced23Ric> | I work in the center of the city, government district, and live in the outskirts of what I call "civilized" Berlin. |
| 15:59 | < Rex> | Or are we talking motor bikes? |
| 15:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Past this point is the concrete ghetto. |
| 15:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Bicycle. |
| 15:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Pedal driven. ;) |
| 16:00 | < Rex> | You know, I've always wanted one of those tiny little motorized bicycles. |
| 16:00 | < Ced23Ric> | The motor-assisted ones? |
| 16:00 | < Ced23Ric> | My roomie has, now, 3 bikes. |
| 16:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Racing bike, mountain bike, and a fixie. |
| 16:00 | < Rex> | From the 20's or 40's or something. |
| 16:00 | < Ced23Ric> | And he is eyeballing another. |
| 16:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Buddy goes fucking 40 mph on his fixed speed one. |
| 16:01 | < Ced23Ric> | And 45 on his racing bike. |
| 16:01 | < Rex> | That's pretty fast. |
| 16:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Motor-assisted bikes cannot keep up with him. |
| 16:01 | < Ced23Ric> | He's a 6'4'', 215lbs lean, mean, machine. |
| 16:02 | < Ced23Ric> | IT admin by day, volleyball player and trainer by night. |
| 16:02 | < Rex> | Dang, that's pretty good shape then. |
| 16:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, he's shredded. |
| 16:03 | < Rex> | Speaking of, I need to get my workout in before E3 starts. |
| 16:03 | < Rex> | So I'll be back in a bit. |
| 16:03 | < Ced23Ric> | Ha! Have fun! |
| 16:06 | < Rex> | I drank too much and slept in too long. Gotta go knock this out quickly. |
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| 16:23 | < mraichelson> | i am tempted to just post a āsomeone eating popcornā gif in this thread. http://mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4847 |
| 16:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Fueling the fire..! |
| 16:30 | < Ced23Ric> | (While Ray isn't watching.) |
| 16:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren is no moderator,thankfully. |
| 16:30 | < mraichelson> | mostly it makes me wonder who he was and what he did. :) |
| 16:38 | < Ced23Ric> | IO frigate check. |
| 16:38 | < Ced23Ric> | I just took a freighter HV and gutted it. |
| 16:38 | < Ced23Ric> | Should make sense for the FC: |
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| 16:45 | < MittenNinja> | heyo |
| 16:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Hey Greg! |
| 16:46 | < MittenNinja> | got two more of my bricklink orders in! |
| 16:46 | < Ced23Ric> | Noice. |
| 16:46 | < Ced23Ric> | What's it making? |
| 16:47 | < MittenNinja> | custom companies |
| 16:47 | < mraichelson> | huzzah |
| 16:51 | < Ced23Ric> | Pictures? |
| 16:53 | < MittenNinja> | in a bit :p |
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| 17:27 | < Mantisking> | Anyone around? |
| 17:28 | < Mantisking> | Mittens? |
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| 17:29 | < Mantisking> | Hey, shadow. |
| 17:36 | < shadowclasper> | heya |
| 17:37 | | * mraichelson nods |
| 17:40 | < Mantisking> | Mike, how are those Chub orders coming? |
| 17:40 | < mraichelson> | iām stuck waiting for a bricklink order before i can start sorting things out and sending them. :\ |
| 17:41 | < Mantisking> | Bummer. |
| 17:42 | < Mantisking> | Have you decided what the next batch is going to be? |
| 17:42 | < mraichelson> | yeah, hasnāt responded to BL messages or the email i sent him directly. |
| 17:42 | < mraichelson> | next up is scramblers. |
| 17:42 | < mraichelson> | parts ordered over the weekend for those. |
| 17:43 | < Mantisking> | Cool. |
| 17:43 | < Mantisking> | I'm still trying to work on a set for a demo squad. |
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| 17:52 | < MittenNinja> | sorry, im building :) |
| 17:58 | < shadowclasper> | I'll be getting a bunch of new pieces on friday |
| 17:58 | < shadowclasper> | and I need to dig out my legos from the storage shed |
| 17:58 | < shadowclasper> | and then |
| 17:58 | < shadowclasper> | I'll start making cool shit :P |
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| 18:03 | < Mantisking> | I'm back. |
| 18:05 | < shadowclasper> | so should I prefab entire Frames for the Manual Over ride campaign I'm planning? |
| 18:06 | < shadowclasper> | or should I just build some basic 'bodies' and 'systems' and let people put them together? |
| 18:06 | < shadowclasper> | or just bring a bunch of extra pieces and let people do it for themselves and some prefabs> |
| 18:07 | < Mantisking> | This is essentially like character creation for a pen & paper tabletop RPG, right? |
| 18:09 | < shadowclasper> | yes |
| 18:10 | < shadowclasper> | my one gripe is I won't have nearly enough colored pieces to make 'class coordinated' stuff |
| 18:10 | < shadowclasper> | but I'll work it out |
| 18:11 | < shadowclasper> | and character creation in the beginning of the game is "choose your mech load out, and choose your type of ace" |
| 18:11 | < shadowclasper> | simple as that |
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| 18:22 | < Mantisking> | Another datapoint for those playing along at home, Chrome works better than Firefox. |
| 18:27 | < MittenNinja> | well yeah |
| 18:27 | < shadowclasper> | that's what you get from corporate rather than free source |
| 18:27 | < shadowclasper> | but google controls enough of my fucking data without getting my complete browsing history and book marks too |
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| 18:29 | < shadowclasper> | it's always after 121 seconds... |
| 18:29 | < shadowclasper> | ]oh I see |
| 18:29 | < shadowclasper> | nvm |
| 18:37 | < MittenNinja> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/mittenninja/14205768397/ |
| 18:37 | < MittenNinja> | numba 3 |
| 18:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Loving the stickers. |
| 18:44 | < MittenNinja> | thanks |
| 18:44 | < MittenNinja> | every one of the customs will have stickers from the kickstarter |
| 18:44 | < MittenNinja> | just another way to make em more unique |
| 18:52 | < shadowclasper> | sounds good |
| 19:03 | < Ced23Ric> | I wish I had some of those. ;_; |
| 19:04 | < Ced23Ric> | Hrm. |
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| 19:04 | < Ced23Ric> | How would I make FC frames for IO? |
| 19:19 | < shadowclasper> | FC? |
| 19:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Free Colonies. |
| 19:20 | < Ced23Ric> | But, I figured something out. |
| 19:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Miniconscripts. |
| 19:21 | < Ced23Ric> | So, naturally, the Ace is a Minicomissar. :D |
| 19:21 | < shadowclasper> | ah |
| 19:22 | < shadowclasper> | I'd advise, make them look less like frames |
| 19:22 | < shadowclasper> | and more like tiny shuttles with arms |
| 19:22 | < shadowclasper> | combat frames serve a specific purpose |
| 19:22 | < shadowclasper> | but the free colonies probably have far more retrofitted stuff right? |
| 19:22 | < shadowclasper> | so they'd have small maintenance, shuttle, and mining craft |
| 19:22 | < shadowclasper> | rather than full combat frames |
| 19:23 | < shadowclasper> | if that makes sense at all? |
| 19:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, since the frames land on a ship's surface and conduct frame combat against other frames and/or labour frames, there is certainly a validity to making them more space-y, while still retaining the general concept. |
| 19:25 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/FC_ioframes.png |
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| 20:13 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/FC_fleet.png |
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| 20:34 | < shadowclasper> | only thing I'd change is giving them all arms and holding weapons. Other than that? It's good. |
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| 21:05 | < Mantisking> | Hmmnn, less people than before. |
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| 21:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 21:54 | < Ced23Ric> | I feel cheap posting my fleets as LDDs on the forums. |
| 21:54 | < Ced23Ric> | I guess I'll wait until I have all parts, build them and take photos. |
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| 22:04 | < mraichelson> | another day with no visit from the bricklink fairy. :\ |
| 22:04 | < Ced23Ric> | Aww. |
| 22:04 | < Ced23Ric> | Yo, Emma. |
| 22:04 | < locas> | hey |
| 22:04 | < Ced23Ric> | How's life? |
| 22:05 | < locas> | p good |
| 22:05 | < locas> | I'm sleepy |
| 22:05 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/FC_fleet.png |
| 22:05 | < Ced23Ric> | LOOK |
| 22:05 | < locas> | the decals came today :O |
| 22:05 | < Ced23Ric> | :O |
| 22:05 | < locas> | in a big shoe box |
| 22:05 | < Ced23Ric> | Take some pictures of you bathing in them. |
| 22:05 | | * mraichelson hurls confetti |
| 22:05 | < locas> | that costs extra |
| 22:05 | < Ced23Ric> | Look at my FC fleet. |
| 22:06 | < locas> | I dig the little guys, but aren't they drastically out of scale? |
| 22:06 | < Ced23Ric> | It's IO, frames will always be out of scale. |
| 22:06 | < mraichelson> | http://i.imgur.com/7VVPS.gif |
| 22:06 | < locas> | true |
| 22:06 | < Ced23Ric> | They'll be on a 4x4 base. |
| 22:06 | < Ced23Ric> | So I made 4 of them, rather than 8 ... 1x1 round bricks. |
| 22:06 | < Ced23Ric> | A frame is 0,8 bricks in size, to scale. |
| 22:06 | < Ced23Ric> | But that's turbo dinky/impossible. |
| 22:06 | < Ced23Ric> | So I abstract. |
| 22:07 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/IJAD_frames.png |
| 22:07 | < Ced23Ric> | LOOK. |
| 22:08 | < locas> | yeah I used 1x1 round bricks |
| 22:08 | < locas> | on clip plates |
| 22:08 | < locas> | heh those are adorable |
| 22:08 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/IO_IJAD_frames.png |
| 22:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Their adorableness is the reason why I rather make such things. |
| 22:09 | < locas> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/kyanosmoros/8047813174/ |
| 22:09 | < locas> | the red 1x1 rounds are supposed to be frames |
| 22:09 | < locas> | though that isn't io scale |
| 22:09 | < mraichelson> | the littly hingy bits so theyāre floating around on off-angles are great. |
| 22:09 | < Ced23Ric> | It's a scaled down Endurance. |
| 22:10 | < Ced23Ric> | And an awesome job at that. |
| 22:10 | < locas> | it's more of a rif on the nahel argama and white base |
| 22:10 | < locas> | but the endurance is obviously an influence too |
| 22:10 | < Ced23Ric> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/kyanosmoros/8044323818/in/photolist-dfRgdf-6qPyao- afAQnq-afy4hF-afy4kH |
| 22:10 | < locas> | http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/SCVA-76_Nahel_Argama |
| 22:10 | < Ced23Ric> | Why don't you post the full image? |
| 22:10 | < locas> | http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/SCV-70_White_Base |
| 22:11 | < Ced23Ric> | ... I really don't like Gundams aesthetics. |
| 22:11 | < locas> | actually I guess it's closer to the regular argama http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Argama-class |
| 22:11 | < locas> | only two runways |
| 22:11 | < locas> | I get them confused |
| 22:11 | < locas> | zzzzz gundam |
| 22:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Did you see the UMFL fleet I made? |
| 22:12 | < locas> | nop |
| 22:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Sec. |
| 22:14 | < locas> | Soren, I think you should color shift all your new photos so your yellow still looks off |
| 22:14 | < locas> | it's basically a signature at this point |
| 22:20 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/UMFL_fleet.png |
| 22:20 | < locas> | I really like those breather/2x2 dish dookhickeys |
| 22:20 | < locas> | and the striping |
| 22:20 | < locas> | the double cheese slopes on the front don't do it for me |
| 22:21 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll put binos on the breathers. |
| 22:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Makes 'em large turrets. |
| 22:21 | < locas> | cool |
| 22:21 | < Ced23Ric> | I was torn on the double slopes. |
| 22:21 | < Ced23Ric> | In the end, kept them. |
| 22:21 | < Ced23Ric> | They break up the straightness. |
| 22:21 | < locas> | I might like them better if the one on the back was turned around, I guess |
| 22:21 | < locas> | what is the part you used on the top turrets? |
| 22:21 | < locas> | for the barrels |
| 22:22 | < Ced23Ric> | That's the "holder with hole" thing. |
| 22:22 | < locas> | huh |
| 22:22 | < locas> | I've never seen it |
| 22:22 | < locas> | swanky |
| 22:22 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=11090 |
| 22:24 | < locas> | will have to get a couple |
| 22:24 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/SL/41517-1.jpg?1 |
| 22:24 | < Ced23Ric> | It's in a mixel set, too. |
| 22:24 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/SL/41515-1.jpg?1 |
| 22:24 | < Ced23Ric> | That guy uses 'em, too. |
| 22:25 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/SL/41516-1.jpg?1 |
| 22:25 | < Ced23Ric> | AAAAAND this guy. |
| 22:25 | < locas> | these are great |
| 22:25 | | * locas is so not with the times |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | And I can cleary see them being integral and super usefull in this one: http://www.bricklink.com/SL/10241-1.jpg |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | (I kid.) |
| 22:26 | < locas> | such maersk |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | Maersk is pretty ballin'. |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | Good thing the CEOs of LEGO and Maersk went to school together. |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | Hence the MAERSK sets. |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/cbase_preview.png |
| 22:36 | < Rex> | That ship is pretty rad. |
| 22:37 | < Ced23Ric> | It's supposed to be an HVA. |
| 22:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Basically, that is the "mascot" of the cbase. |
| 22:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Or, the metaphor to the bar/club. |
| 22:37 | < Ced23Ric> | So I decided to have them fight over the cbase for the demo event. |
| 22:38 | < Rex> | It's like a big metal bagel. |
| 22:38 | < Rex> | That cargo ship is pretty too. I like the blue. |
| 22:40 | < Rex> | If I could buy tiles in the blue... |
| 22:42 | < Rex> | Does LFoW come here? |
| 22:42 | < mraichelson> | heās been mostly MIA for a long time. |
| 22:42 | < mraichelson> | iāve never seen him on here. :\ |
| 22:42 | | * mraichelson pours some out for missing homies |
| 22:43 | < locas> | I remember talking to him on here once |
| 22:43 | < locas> | like a looooong time ago |
| 22:44 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/IO_ijad_missile_cruiser.png |
| 22:44 | < Ced23Ric> | I wonder whether that hull has enough merit to approach building a fleet with it. |
| 22:44 | < Ced23Ric> | LFoW is a regular on the 4chains general since about a week ago. Makes me happy. |
| 22:45 | < Rex> | I was just wondering whereabouts he lived. |
| 22:45 | < locas> | texas I think |
| 22:45 | < locas> | could be wrong |
| 22:45 | < mraichelson> | texas sounds familiar. |
| 22:45 | < Rex> | Oh jeeze, poor soul. |
| 22:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Rex confirmed for stalker. |
| 22:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Em, talk to me. |
| 22:45 | < Rex> | I've been called worse. |
| 22:45 | < Ced23Ric> | That Ijad concept. |
| 22:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Yay or nay? |
| 22:45 | < mraichelson> | i wanted to say AZ, but thatās yates. |
| 22:46 | < Rex> | Which one, Ced? |
| 22:46 | < Ced23Ric> | Yates is such a pot smoking turbo hippie. I love the fucker. |
| 22:46 | < Ced23Ric> | [23:44:10] <Ced23Ric> http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/IO_ijad_missile_cruiser.png |
| 22:46 | < locas> | I love yates |
| 22:46 | < Rex> | Iljad has no meaning for me. |
| 22:46 | < locas> | I dunno, there are merits |
| 22:46 | < Ced23Ric> | Ijad. White, round stuff, generally more alien than human. |
| 22:46 | < Ced23Ric> | Em: Merits isn't good enough. |
| 22:46 | < locas> | I don't really like the blue stripe |
| 22:47 | < locas> | on the top |
| 22:47 | < locas> | or how the blue interfaces in general |
| 22:47 | < Ced23Ric> | yeah. :/ |
| 22:47 | < locas> | I don't like those turrets either |
| 22:47 | < locas> | on this ship |
| 22:47 | < Rex> | It doesn't seem too round. |
| 22:47 | < Ced23Ric> | I tried to make something more dish-ey. But I failed. |
| 22:47 | < locas> | the center is obviously cool |
| 22:47 | < Ced23Ric> | And yeah, those are my oldest turret designs. |
| 22:47 | < Ced23Ric> | Thealternating travis bricks with 45Ā° offset? |
| 22:47 | < locas> | yeah |
| 22:47 | < Ced23Ric> | That came to me in a dream, I shit you not. |
| 22:48 | < locas> | heh |
| 22:48 | < locas> | damnit |
| 22:48 | < Rex> | I like it, but I wouldn't call it "round" or "More alien" |
| 22:48 | < locas> | why can't any good ideas come to me in dreams |
| 22:48 | < locas> | I'm always like |
| 22:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, me neither. @ Rex |
| 22:48 | < locas> | having to fight feral cats and shit |
| 22:48 | < Ced23Ric> | What. |
| 22:48 | < locas> | my dreams suck basically |
| 22:48 | < Ced23Ric> | I don't even dream-dream. |
| 22:48 | < Ced23Ric> | I just kind of enter states of lucid problem solving in mental absentia. |
| 22:49 | < Ced23Ric> | Started when I solved one of the harder Lemmings (the first one) levels in my sleep. |
| 22:49 | < locas> | heh |
| 22:49 | < Ced23Ric> | Woke up, solved it, laughed, went to school. |
| 22:49 | < Ced23Ric> | That was 4th grade or something. |
| 22:50 | < Ced23Ric> | So, sometimes when I go to sleep with an unsolved problem on my mind ... that happens. |
| 22:50 | < Ced23Ric> | And I really hated that I had no cool spark for something different than a rectangular SNOT build. |
| 22:50 | < Ced23Ric> | So that happened. |
| 22:50 | < Ced23Ric> | But I might actually discard it all and follow Soren's approach. |
| 22:50 | < Ced23Ric> | Make Ijad ships wider than long. |
| 22:51 | < Ced23Ric> | Still no good idea, though. |
| 22:51 | < Ced23Ric> | Maybe tonight. |
| 22:51 | < Ced23Ric> | (I never fought feral cats. |
| 22:51 | < locas> | don't attempt it |
| 22:51 | < locas> | even in your dreams |
| 22:51 | < Ced23Ric> | (I cannot recall my last nightmare.) |
| 22:51 | | * locas goes to the grocery store to buy curry |
| 22:51 | < Ced23Ric> | (I cannot recall being afraid, actually.) |
| 22:51 | < Ced23Ric> | You do that. |
| 22:51 | < Ced23Ric> | Talk to you when you get back. |
| 22:52 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll crunch some Ijad ideas. |
| 22:59 | < Rex> | Have you thought about those 1x1 crystal balls or the hemispheres? |
| 22:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, but the hemispheres ask for a 4x4 round body. |
| 22:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Not a fan. |
| 23:00 | < Rex> | There are 2x2 roundish top things somewhere. |
| 23:00 | < Rex> | I'm not much help, I have problems with robots, let alone ships. |
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