| --- Log opened Mon Jun 09 00:00:26 2014 |
| 00:42 | < Shades_Corvid> | *writing* |
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| 00:56 | < Shades_Corvid> | ug, I haven't even cropped these photos yet. |
| 01:05 | | Mantisking [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-rg9mk7.ma.comcast.net] has joined #mf0 |
| 01:06 | < Mantisking> | Anyone? |
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| 01:23 | < Mantisking> | Mike. |
| 01:25 | < Shades_Corvid> | back, was eating and watching parts of the Tony's |
| 01:26 | < Mantisking> | I went out for barbecue. |
| 01:26 | < Mantisking> | Snapped a couple of review pictures too. |
| 01:26 | < Shades_Corvid> | is working on a double review |
| 01:27 | < Mantisking> | Oh? |
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| 01:29 | < Mantisking> | Hey, shadowclasper. |
| 01:29 | < shadowclasper> | I am so happy you have no friggin' idea :) |
| 01:29 | < Shades_Corvid> | Chima Razcal's Double-Crosser and Ewar's Acro Fighter |
| 01:29 | < shadowclasper> | <<<just found out his favorite QM returned with a new quest :D |
| 01:30 | < Mantisking> | QM? |
| 01:30 | < Mantisking> | Heh. SC, I have both of those in the pipeline. |
| 01:32 | < shadowclasper> | Quest Master. |
| 01:32 | < shadowclasper> | 4chan then :P |
| 01:32 | < Mantisking> | 'Kay. |
| 01:36 | < Shades_Corvid> | shadowclasper making me think of Hack Master or something |
| 01:36 | < Shades_Corvid> | I have no doubt you do MK. |
| 01:37 | < shadowclasper> | MK? |
| 01:37 | < shadowclasper> | I was doing Ironhearts >> |
| 01:38 | < Shades_Corvid> | Mantisking |
| 01:38 | < Mantisking> | Yeah? |
| 01:38 | < Shades_Corvid> | no, sorry. MK =Mantisking |
| 01:44 | < Mantisking> | Well. At least I have one set you won't be able to review, Shades. |
| 01:44 | < shadowclasper> | oooh okay |
| 01:44 | < shadowclasper> | sorry |
| 01:46 | < Shades_Corvid> | o_O? You sure? |
| 01:46 | < Shades_Corvid> | Sounds like a challenge *laughs evilly* |
| 01:48 | < Mantisking> | If I don't tell you, then you can't go out and get one. :-) |
| 01:50 | < Mantisking> | {* cackles evilly in return *} |
| 01:52 | < Shades_Corvid> | arg, foiled again! |
| 01:52 | < Shades_Corvid> | Curse your cunning Mantis, this is why you are King! *points, points hard* Of course that is if I don't already have one -_- *bluffing* |
| 01:55 | < Mantisking> | What, you think you can fool me into revealing the name of the set?!? Never! |
| 01:55 | < Shades_Corvid> | alright, acro is done. |
| 01:55 | < Mantisking> | Cool. |
| 01:56 | < Shades_Corvid> | Now for Double-Crosser...yeah so that guy is totally a bad guy and I have never seen the show/played the game. |
| 01:56 | < Mantisking> | We should bottle that little back-and-forth there for some sort of dual review. |
| 01:57 | < Mantisking> | Iron Reviewer! Allez Review! |
| 01:58 | < Shades_Corvid> | Copy and Pasted |
| 01:58 | < Shades_Corvid> | Iron Reviewer sounds better |
| 01:59 | < Mantisking> | Have you ever seen Iron Chef? |
| 02:00 | < Mantisking> | Allez Cuisine! Is the phrase used to start the battle. |
| 02:00 | < Shades_Corvid> | I feel like we would need to get Pippi Shortstack involved in that too somehow, if only to include their art |
| 02:00 | < Shades_Corvid> | I have seen it only may be twice and certainly not from start |
| 02:01 | < Mantisking> | That could be fun. |
| 02:01 | < Shades_Corvid> | Certainly! |
| 02:01 | < Mantisking> | I totally came up with something that copies her style. |
| 02:02 | < Mantisking> | It's a Kreon made using only the legs and head along with a helmet and some tires. |
| 02:02 | < Mantisking> | The funny thing is I think it may be 7P scale. |
| 02:06 | < Shades_Corvid> | Interesting |
| 02:06 | < Shades_Corvid> | Seriously though, Razcal has to be a bad guy. |
| 02:07 | < Shades_Corvid> | "Razcal, you are the traitor!" |
| 02:07 | < Shades_Corvid> | "No I am not!" |
| 02:07 | < Shades_Corvid> | "Dude, you call your four wheeler Double-Crosser!" |
| 02:09 | < Mantisking> | It's fitting that you're reviewing him too. |
| 02:10 | < Shades_Corvid> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPaJPAamaKg |
| 02:11 | < Shades_Corvid> | pump your brakes there |
| 02:11 | < Shades_Corvid> | Are you suggesting that IIII the Bad Guy? |
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| 02:17 | < Shades_Corvid> | *putting Easter eggs in review* |
| 02:22 | < Mantisking> | Nope, I'm just saying he's a crow and part of your handle is Corvid. |
| 02:24 | < Shades_Corvid> | I know. Just being silly and playing off of earlier! |
| 02:24 | < Mantisking> | Ahhhhh. |
| 02:25 | < Shades_Corvid> | Who would judge Iron Reviewer, the people? Would there be a Chairperson? |
| 02:40 | < Shades_Corvid> | Now to format! |
| 02:42 | < Mantisking> | We have to decide on a set that we can both review first. |
| 02:48 | < Shades_Corvid> | Of course |
| 02:48 | < Shades_Corvid> | http://darkcloudblogs.blogspot.com/2014/06/double-review-for-mfz-chima-acro.html Done |
| 02:50 | < Mantisking> | Nice. |
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| 03:06 | < Shades_Corvid> | Not the most inspired review but the sets really didn't inspire much. |
| 03:23 | < Mantisking> | I think you could tweak Acro's a bit to make an okay Frigate. |
| 03:25 | < Mantisking> | Dragon Assault review 95% complete. |
| 03:30 | < Rex> | What's that? |
| 03:30 | < Mantisking> | It's a Kreo Transformers set. |
| 03:31 | < Shades_Corvid> | I think it might be a bit smile still to get the feel, but perhaps a HVA |
| 03:31 | < Shades_Corvid> | small even |
| 03:33 | < Shades_Corvid> | Picked up a Darth Vader Advance TIE Fighter Transformer from Goodwill for $5, still in box. |
| 03:33 | < Mantisking> | Nice. |
| 03:33 | < Rex> | Hm |
| 03:34 | < Mantisking> | I found another Transformers Mirage set for $3 the other day at Savers. |
| 03:34 | < Shades_Corvid> | Nice, still like that ship. |
| 03:34 | < Mantisking> | It looks intact but the previous owner had applied stickers. |
| 03:34 | < Shades_Corvid> | Not sure if I will keep Vader or sale it. |
| 03:34 | < Mantisking> | I think the Frigate i made from that is my favorite build from the set. |
| 03:34 | < Rex> | Speaking of Transformers, what do you think about the new movie? |
| 03:35 | < Mantisking> | I've got no interest in seeing it. |
| 03:36 | < Rex> | It has Lockdown and Drift, but considering how poor a job they did with Shockwave in the last movie I'm not sure. |
| 03:36 | < Rex> | Plus there's Marky Mark. |
| 03:37 | < Mantisking> | I have no problems with him as an actor. |
| 03:37 | < Rex> | As a consumer, you speak with your wallet. And I'm not sure I want my wallet saying it wants more Michael Bay. |
| 03:38 | < Rex> | I think he's a pretty decent actor. |
| 03:38 | < Mantisking> | Yeah, the Transformers I grew up on looked like more than a pile of scrap parts. |
| 03:39 | < Rex> | I honestly don't take note unless it's on the extreme end of the spectrum, if you follow. |
| 03:39 | < Rex> | I grew up with a VHS of the '86 movie. |
| 03:40 | < Rex> | So you can probably guess where I stand. |
| 03:42 | < Shades_Corvid> | I am going to see it because one, I am whore for special effects and it will most likely at least be fun and my friend Shanks will want me to go with him to see it (HUGE Transformers fan...which I find it odd he likes the new movies so much) BUT yeah...over all it is going to disapoint me. Look at the 'dinobots'. |
| 03:42 | < Shades_Corvid> | Even if it is fun, it certainly won't go on my buy list. |
| 03:42 | < Rex> | Well |
| 03:43 | < Rex> | I'll go see it probably. |
| 03:43 | < Rex> | But they are at least entertaining. I would never call them good, but the action bits are decent. It's everything in between. |
| 03:44 | < Rex> | I'm honestly just peeved that a dog humping 20 feet tall passes as humor. |
| 03:45 | < Shades_Corvid> | Hands down the first one was still the best, I believe I own that...but I did like Wheelie in the second one. I will still argue that Megan Fox's character in the second movie isn't the same from the first. |
| 03:45 | < Shades_Corvid> | I don't know why I keep going back and checking the view count on new posts during the first day or two |
| 03:46 | < Rex> | Why's that? |
| 03:47 | < Shades_Corvid> | Short Version: She was at least some what a strong female character, holding her own in the first then in the second pretty much lost all that it seem to me. |
| 03:48 | < Shades_Corvid> | aka she was more then JUST eye candy in the first then reduced to just eye candy in the second. |
| 03:49 | < Mantisking> | I always check view counts on my blog posts religiously. |
| 03:49 | < Shades_Corvid> | Makes me feel a bit better. |
| 03:49 | < Shades_Corvid> | I am having some more hope for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles then T4 at the moment. |
| 03:50 | < addking> | I have zero hope for either of those films. |
| 03:51 | < Shades_Corvid> | I like the trailer for TMNJ but at the moment I am not feeling Megan as April (and it nothing against Megan, I like her) BUT what is with the 'outfit' on Leo? |
| 03:55 | < Rex> | I'll Netflix that one, if at all. |
| 03:55 | < Rex> | The trailer did nothing for me. |
| 03:56 | < Rex> | I'll probably end up renting it, my stepfather is a big kid like that. |
| 04:00 | < Shades_Corvid> | I am off to play Mario Kart 8 then to go to bed. |
| 04:05 | < Rex> | Sounds fun. |
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| 04:15 | < MittenNinja> | sup guys? |
| 04:16 | < MittenNinja> | anyone home? |
| 04:17 | < Rex> | Hello |
| 04:18 | < MittenNinja> | sup? |
| 04:18 | < MittenNinja> | i dont believe ive met you Rex. hows it goin? |
| 04:18 | < Rex> | I'm just messing around with colors in LDD. |
| 04:18 | < MittenNinja> | cool cool |
| 04:19 | < MittenNinja> | working on a build? |
| 04:19 | < addking> | heya |
| 04:19 | < mraichelson> | hola |
| 04:20 | < MittenNinja> | whuddup add? |
| 04:20 | < MittenNinja> | and racih? |
| 04:20 | < Rex> | I'm just trying to figure out which color I want to buy. |
| 04:20 | | * mraichelson bricklinks moar |
| 04:20 | < addking> | recovery. friends 40th birthday yesterday. |
| 04:21 | < addking> | so i need a chill evening at home. |
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| 04:22 | < Rex> | Did you drink a bit too much? |
| 04:22 | < addking> | for the amount of time and food I had yes. |
| 04:23 | < MittenNinja> | haha |
| 04:23 | < MittenNinja> | ive been there |
| 04:23 | < MittenNinja> | what are you thinking color wise rex? |
| 04:23 | < MittenNinja> | do you have specific builds you want? |
| 04:26 | < Rex> | I have a frame I've been tinkering with for a while, basically a modified Chub with some wonky legs I saw somewhere. |
| 04:27 | < Rex> | It's nothing special. |
| 04:27 | < MittenNinja> | right on. |
| 04:27 | < Rex> | I have about a dozen color combinations but I can't really decide on which to actually buy. |
| 04:28 | < Rex> | I like them all, you know? |
| 04:28 | < MittenNinja> | what are your choices? |
| 04:29 | < Rex> | I'll throw them up on an image site somewhere later I guess and let you take a look for yourself. |
| 04:31 | < Rex> | I'm really digging the sand green, tan and lime colors in LDD though. |
| 04:31 | < Rex> | Not together, of course. |
| 04:31 | < MittenNinja> | sand green is awesome but brutally expensive. |
| 04:31 | < Rex> | Bummer |
| 04:32 | < MittenNinja> | tan looks great and as a whole is pretty reasonable price wise, but has a couple pieces that are a little pricey |
| 04:32 | < MittenNinja> | lime is generally super cheap, but you have less parts available to work with |
| 04:32 | < MittenNinja> | a sand green headlight brick runs around $3/ea |
| 04:33 | < MittenNinja> | and good luck finding a store with more than two or three |
| 04:34 | < Rex> | I mainly use tiles and a few plates. I basically have a structure with stuff stuck on it. |
| 04:36 | < Rex> | Wow, 50-80 Ā¢ per sand green 1x2 tile. |
| 04:36 | < MittenNinja> | yep |
| 04:37 | < mraichelson> | mmm, good times. |
| 04:37 | < Rex> | 1x1 tile is $3. Ouch |
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| 04:37 | < mraichelson> | gānite |
| 04:37 | < Rex> | See ya |
| 04:37 | < MittenNinja> | later dude |
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| 04:37 | < addking> | yeah sand green is not a color I'd recommend to anyone wanting to keep it low priced. Ouchy. |
| 04:38 | < MittenNinja> | out of those three id probably go with tan personally |
| 04:38 | < MittenNinja> | tan looks awesome and there are a ton of tan pieces to work with |
| 04:39 | < MittenNinja> | the only piece ive found to be a little pricey that i use with any frequency is a 1x1 tile clip |
| 04:39 | < MittenNinja> | they run around .20-.30 iirc |
| 04:41 | < Rex> | I'm not sure which piece that is. |
| 04:41 | < MittenNinja> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=2555 |
| 04:42 | < Rex> | In what color? |
| 04:42 | < MittenNinja> | tan. but it looks like theyve gone up |
| 04:43 | < MittenNinja> | looks like $1 a piece for any decent quantity |
| 04:43 | < MittenNinja> | everything else is relatively cheap thougb |
| 04:43 | < Rex> | Oh |
| 04:43 | < Rex> | I'm content to just use a grey with it. |
| 04:44 | < MittenNinja> | i use those for hands quite a bit, so i need tan ones every once in awhile |
| 04:47 | < addking> | what's the ETA on your next podcast? |
| 04:48 | < MittenNinja> | hopefully before dcc. |
| 04:48 | < MittenNinja> | we had to record in two chunks and the second chunk may have been corrupted. |
| 04:48 | < Rex> | Podcast on what? |
| 04:48 | < MittenNinja> | dexter is seeing of he can save it. |
| 04:48 | < MittenNinja> | MFZ |
| 04:48 | < addking> | that sucks man. =( |
| 04:49 | < Rex> | Oh dang, that sounds neat. |
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| 04:49 | < addking> | You should check out the first one Rex... |
| 04:50 | < Rex> | Where might I find it? |
| 04:50 | < addking> | https://thetransitgate.wordpress.com/ |
| 04:50 | < addking> | I was just getting the link. |
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| 04:52 | < MittenNinja> | http://thetransitgate.wordpress.com |
| 04:52 | < MittenNinja> | sorry, f |
| 04:52 | < MittenNinja> | got dced for a minute there |
| 04:54 | < Rex> | Looooooong |
| 04:54 | < Rex> | I'm okay with this. |
| 04:56 | < MittenNinja> | whereabouts do ypu live Rex |
| 04:58 | < Rex> | About 15 minutes from Cincinnati. |
| 04:58 | < MittenNinja> | right on. |
| 04:58 | < MittenNinja> | i was gonna see if you were anywhere near Denver |
| 04:58 | < Rex> | Sadly nothing interesting happens here. |
| 04:58 | < MittenNinja> | were running the first MFZ tourney this upcoming weekend at the comic con |
| 05:01 | < Rex> | I'm going to try something. |
| 05:05 | < MittenNinja> | try away? |
| 05:09 | < Rex> | I don't have my old photobucket's password anymore, it seems. |
| 05:10 | < MittenNinja> | cant you do the password retrieval? |
| 05:14 | < Rex> | Sorry, had to step away for a minute. |
| 05:14 | < Rex> | http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y535/Tango_Sierra/Colors_zps920884c8.png |
| 05:14 | < Rex> | Be gentle. |
| 05:18 | < MittenNinja> | looking good! |
| 05:18 | < MittenNinja> | in ldd the black/lime looks best, but in the brick i think the black/blue would look best |
| 05:21 | < addking> | I like the dark grey/blue myself, but I prefer the checkerboard pattern on the shoulder instead of the 1x2s. |
| 05:22 | < MittenNinja> | yeah thats a solid combo too |
| 05:23 | < MittenNinja> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/mittenninja/13541830014/ |
| 05:24 | < Rex> | I'm kind of partial to the tan one with a minty green eye, but the only place to order 1x1 dark tan tiles is Portugal. |
| 05:25 | < Rex> | The shoulders were intended to be different ranks/roles. |
| 05:25 | < Rex> | I'm a huge nerd like that. |
| 05:27 | < MittenNinja> | oh trust me ive got that going on too |
| 05:28 | < MittenNinja> | although i have actual rank insignias on shoulders |
| 05:28 | < Rex> | Stickers? |
| 05:29 | < addking> | I don't mark rank on mine, but I figure why make it easy for the enemy to shoot my leaders? ;) |
| 05:30 | < addking> | I've seen some pretty good ranking with stickers and color schemes tho |
| 05:30 | < MittenNinja> | yeah stickers |
| 05:31 | < MittenNinja> | if you go to the transit gate's facebook page i have pictures of them there |
| 05:35 | < MittenNinja> | im also using stickers on most of the custom companies for DCC too. |
| 05:36 | < MittenNinja> | just waiting on a couple more bricklink orders to finish the rest of them up |
| 05:36 | < Rex> | That sounds fun. |
| 05:38 | < MittenNinja> | it is. I just wish i had the funds to do it more often. |
| 05:39 | < MittenNinja> | thats one of the reasons i do commission work, to fund the habit |
| 05:40 | < Rex> | I'm hoping this ace thing goes through, I have some cool stuff for it. |
| 05:40 | < Rex> | I just wish I had people to play it with in these parts. |
| 05:41 | < MittenNinja> | get out to a local game shop and demo! |
| 05:41 | < MittenNinja> | create your own community, its what i had to do |
| 05:41 | < addking> | You live in a pretty big city - gotta be some potential players out there. |
| 05:42 | < Rex> | But then I'd have to be a leader and coordinate and do all of that responsible stuff. |
| 05:42 | < Rex> | That sounds like a lot of work and I'm such a lazy bum. |
| 05:42 | < MittenNinja> | its less work than it seems |
| 05:42 | < MittenNinja> | just go to a shop and set upa table |
| 05:42 | < addking> | It's not hard to get a few quick demo rounds in. Just need to talk to a store owner/manager usually. |
| 05:42 | < MittenNinja> | people will ask about it and then you show them the basics |
| 05:42 | < MittenNinja> | the game basically sells itself |
| 05:43 | < MittenNinja> | if you can get the store staff hooked, it really helps |
| 05:43 | < Rex> | I was thinking about it, but really, I'd feel weird trying to push a game that a comic book store wouldn't make any money off of. |
| 05:44 | < addking> | My games aren't as consistent as MittenNinja's AQ rounds, but I slowly recruited a lot of friends and I get games in. Got a few other people interested from seeing us play at the comic shop. |
| 05:44 | < Rex> | I mean, it might get people to show up, I guess. |
| 05:45 | < addking> | I'm a bit lucky in that 2 of the guys that run the shop are in my play group - but yeah if they have game tables and sell drinks and stuff that gets some extra money. A busier shop is usually good too. |
| 05:46 | < addking> | To be fair tho, none of the guys I played with were in the :RA kickstarter - I had to show it off. |
| 05:47 | < Rex> | The owner is really chill, but I imagine it going like "Hey, let me use your tables to play a game you don't sell here and won't make a profit off of." |
| 05:47 | < MittenNinja> | get him to sell it! and if they sell concessions it helps loads |
| 05:50 | < Rex> | Sell it how? |
| 05:50 | < MittenNinja> | rulebooks, rulers, frame kits etc |
| 05:52 | < MittenNinja> | once you get a good enough player base they can run tourneys with buy ins |
| 05:57 | < Rex> | I suppose that could work. I'll just wing it and wait until I have the cash to actually buy stuff. |
| 06:09 | < MittenNinja> | i started pretty small, it doesnt have to be elaborate |
| 06:12 | < MittenNinja> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/mittenninja/7394198478/ |
| 06:12 | < MittenNinja> | that was my first time demoing at DCC |
| 06:13 | < Rex> | Is that sand green? |
| 06:15 | < Rex> | And don't you think that black and dark blue would be a bit too dark? I can't really tell in LDD. |
| 06:16 | < MittenNinja> | dark blue? yeah. regular blue? no |
| 06:16 | < MittenNinja> | and yeah thats sand green. |
| 06:16 | < MittenNinja> | luckily the cheese slopes are pretty common and pretty cheap. that's 90% of the sand green there |
| 06:17 | < Rex> | It's such a pretty color. |
| 06:18 | < MittenNinja> | it is. |
| 06:18 | < MittenNinja> | this is closer to what im rocking to demo now: |
| 06:18 | < MittenNinja> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/mittenninja/10409093144/ |
| 06:19 | < Rex> | That looks pretty good. |
| 06:19 | < MittenNinja> | im looking to put together some more elaborate stuff for DCC |
| 06:20 | < MittenNinja> | arches, pillars, more of a ruins vibe as opposed to just rocks |
| 06:20 | < MittenNinja> | trees too |
| 06:23 | < Rex> | It's such a shame they don't make tile corner plates in different colros. |
| 06:24 | < MittenNinja> | im not sure what piece youre referring to? |
| 06:25 | < Rex> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=14719 |
| 06:25 | < MittenNinja> | ah. ive actually never used or owned one of those |
| 06:26 | < MittenNinja> | you could just use a 1x2 and a 1x1 |
| 06:28 | < MittenNinja> | or use the plate instead of the tile |
| 06:28 | < MittenNinja> | exposed studs arent always a bad thing |
| 06:29 | < Rex> | I don't know. |
| 06:30 | < Rex> | I agree, but studs on one piece whilst the rest are smooth and tiley looks off. |
| 06:32 | < MittenNinja> | then stud up some of the stuff around them |
| 06:32 | < Rex> | If I were more creative I could pull it off. As it is it doesn't really fit the aesthetic. |
| 06:33 | < MittenNinja> | are you using them for the shoulders? |
| 06:33 | < Rex> | Sec |
| 06:33 | < MittenNinja> | just make all 4 studs exposed and then it has a studded armor look |
| 06:38 | < Rex> | http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/Tango_Sierra/media/SomeonesbeenplayingLastRave n_zps68b7854e.png.html |
| 06:38 | < Rex> | Eh... |
| 06:39 | < MittenNinja> | you could invert the pieces so the studs are facing down? |
| 06:41 | < Rex> | It's probably fine the way it is. |
| 07:11 | < MittenNinja> | im really curious to see how many people we get for the tourney. i know we have at least a handful |
| 07:12 | < Rex> | Hopefully you get a good turnout. |
| 07:12 | < MittenNinja> | even 10 or so people would be awesome |
| 07:12 | < MittenNinja> | im not expecting a huge event or anything |
| 07:17 | < Rex> | Have you thought about using baseplates for terrain? |
| 07:17 | < Rex> | I have this cool underwater one from an old Aquasharks set. |
| 07:21 | < addking> | night guys. |
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| 07:29 | < Rex> | The sand green pieces would only cost me about 40 per frame. Bummer. |
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| 07:37 | < MittenNinja1> | yeah, like i said they look awesome but theyre pricey |
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| 09:06 | < MittenNinja> | Ced23Ric you still around? |
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| 10:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, I am now. |
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| 12:05 | < Ced23Ric> | Heya Mike. |
| 12:06 | | * mraichelson tips his cap |
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| 14:48 | < Mantisking> | Morning. |
| 14:50 | < Mantisking> | Ced? |
| 14:50 | < Ced23Ric> | Here! |
| 14:50 | < Rex> | Good morning. |
| 14:51 | < Mantisking> | Looks like you had a lot of fun at that demo. |
| 14:51 | < Rex> | What a glorious day, the first day of E3. |
| 14:51 | < Mantisking> | Morning, Rex. |
| 14:51 | < Mantisking> | Where's E3 being held? |
| 14:52 | < Rex> | California? |
| 14:52 | < Rex> | Somewhere in LA I think, I dunno. |
| 14:52 | < mraichelson> | LA convention center |
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| 16:10 | < Mantisking> | Hello? |
| 16:36 | < Ced23Ric> | Heya! |
| 16:36 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 16:36 | < Ced23Ric> | I think I have a new goal. |
| 16:37 | < Ced23Ric> | I need an Ijad demo fleet and a FC one. |
| 16:37 | < Ced23Ric> | UMFL check, parts ordered, shipped. |
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| 16:47 | < Mantisking> | I already built FC, Ijad and SU fleets. |
| 16:47 | < shadowclasper> | cool |
| 16:47 | < Mantisking> | Joshua has them now. |
| 16:49 | < Mantisking> | Sunday I found an incomplete microscale spaceship I built a while ago and it should fit as an IO Frigate. |
| 16:49 | < Ced23Ric> | Nice. |
| 16:49 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, I kind of want to make an FC fleet that looks like a junkyard scrapwork. |
| 16:50 | < Ced23Ric> | And for the Ijad, I wanna go for less-than-regular round shapes with odd angles. |
| 16:50 | < Ced23Ric> | Maybe some layering, not sure. |
| 16:51 | < Mantisking> | I was experimenting with an octagonal "flying saucer" design for an Ijad ship. |
| 16:51 | < Ced23Ric> | Where'd that go? |
| 16:51 | < Mantisking> | Back into the parts bin. :-) |
| 17:00 | < Mantisking> | Right now my current bad idea is wanting to use those little Chima wings on a starship. |
| 17:01 | < mraichelson> | the feathery ones they stick on minifigs or the ones they use on the āitās a bird-thingā vehicles? |
| 17:04 | | * mraichelson grinds teeth and contemplates flying to germany to track down his one errant bricklink seller heās waiting on. |
| 17:07 | < Mantisking> | The minifig ones. |
| 17:15 | < Mantisking> | Anyone else besides me reading this blog? http://www.newelementary.com/ |
| 17:30 | < mraichelson> | not until now :) |
| 17:36 | < Mantisking> | He doesn't post frequently, but when he does it's very good. |
| 18:33 | < Mantisking> | Soren, are you awake yet? |
| 18:50 | < Soren> | Have been for a while, just not near my machine |
| 18:51 | < Soren> | had a nice gooey cheese omelette for breakfast and got some housecleaning done |
| 18:56 | < mraichelson> | mmm, omelette |
| 18:56 | < mraichelson> | i ducked out and got a supermarket deli breakfast burrito earlier. |
| 18:57 | < mraichelson> | which are deceptively tolerable for a breakfast burrito from a supermarket in the midwest. |
| 18:57 | < Mantisking> | I had a black bean, corn, and chili omelette for breakfast on Sunday. |
| 18:58 | < Mantisking> | With provelone cheese. |
| 18:58 | < Soren> | Mm. |
| 18:58 | < Mantisking> | There's a great diner about a mile from the house that we really like. |
| 19:00 | < Mantisking> | They do a pulled pork in Jack Daniels sauce omelette that is incredible. |
| 19:03 | | * mraichelson drools |
| 19:04 | < Soren> | That does sound tasty. |
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| 19:04 | < mraichelson> | wrong button |
| 19:06 | < Mantisking> | I should mention it in the Hangar food topic the next time I have it. |
| 19:58 | < Mantisking> | Has anyone watched the Yamato 2199 anime yet? |
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| 21:58 | < Mantisking> | Well, the afternoon was certainly quiet. |
| 21:58 | < Mantisking> | :-) |
| 22:00 | < Ced23Ric> | T'was. |
| 22:00 | < Ced23Ric> | I was kind of distracted. |
| 22:01 | < Mantisking> | More demo prep? |
| 22:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Nah, trying to get at least one ship sorted today. |
| 22:03 | < shadowclasper> | so seeing if I can run a very impromptu game of Manual Override |
| 22:03 | < shadowclasper> | going to see if we can generate abilities on the fly. |
| 22:09 | < Rex> | How do you plan on doing that? |
| 22:15 | < Ced23Ric> | Just kind of play away and if they hit a point where they don't have rules, make rules. |
| 22:16 | < Ced23Ric> | Take notes, apply and apply again, amend rules, and at the end, summarize. |
| 22:16 | < Ced23Ric> | Organic growth. |
| 22:19 | < shadowclasper> | yeah. |
| 22:19 | < shadowclasper> | yep |
| 22:19 | < Rex> | So winging it. |
| 22:19 | < shadowclasper> | it's honestly one of the best methods of itterative design when you're dealing with people who will be getting drunk. |
| 22:19 | < Rex> | I like your style. |
| 22:19 | < shadowclasper> | because you can keep them from 'leveling up' except at specific times, so rules creation can be kept to just certain periods |
| 22:20 | < shadowclasper> | basically my thought is "You have leveled up. Define an ability that falls into one of these categories" |
| 22:21 | < shadowclasper> | before that players start off as one of the basic pilot types, which means I'll give them a bonus d8 in their chosen field. |
| 22:21 | < shadowclasper> | Soldiers, Skirmishers, Scouts, and Holders |
| 22:22 | < Rex> | Well I'm rather jealous. |
| 22:26 | < shadowclasper> | got to let them agree with it. Also going to be doing it slightly different than normal. Taking a leaf out of the 'Edge of Tomorrow' and going to have it so that when ONE member of the party dies. |
| 22:26 | < shadowclasper> | The scenario resets. |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuf/mf0/FC_cruiser.png |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/FC_cruiser.png |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | That ... second link works. |
| 22:27 | < shadowclasper> | nice |
| 22:27 | < shadowclasper> | yes it does |
| 22:27 | < shadowclasper> | piece of advice? |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | I tried to get something going that looks like it was a utilitarian ship before. |
| 22:27 | < shadowclasper> | direct links will bug out |
| 22:27 | < shadowclasper> | if it's utilitarian you need much longer poles out the sides of it |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | For people using midbit? Maybe. |
| 22:27 | < shadowclasper> | with engines mounted on the tips |
| 22:28 | < shadowclasper> | to give more turn leverage for greater bulk |
| 22:28 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, nah, I know what you mean, but that hing is 120m long. |
| 22:28 | < Ced23Ric> | I am sure there's thrusters in the hull. |
| 22:29 | < Ced23Ric> | It's missing the minifig hands in those upper black 1x1 rounds, as Point Defense guns. |
| 22:29 | < Ced23Ric> | But LDD won't let me. |
| 22:30 | < Mantisking> | Okay guys, I'm outta here. Time to move on to the rest of my day. |
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| 22:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Lat... |
| 22:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Well. |
| 22:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Bye, Ray! |
| 22:31 | < shadowclasper> | the problem with thrusters on the hull is that they don't have enough leverage |
| 22:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Are you Chris Roberts? |
| 22:31 | < shadowclasper> | ships in space are probably going to look like giant crosses or jumping jacks. |
| 22:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, also know as "not cool". |
| 22:31 | < shadowclasper> | they're not going to be aerodynamic cause what's the point. |
| 22:31 | < shadowclasper> | *coughcyclonbasestarcough* |
| 22:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Or, "Perry Rhodan did nothing wrong." |
| 22:32 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll rather have a ship that's wrong but makes me happy. ;) |
| 22:32 | < shadowclasper> | but really, fast manueverability is probably not going to be important for anything except close orbitals. |
| 22:32 | < shadowclasper> | anything else? |
| 22:32 | < shadowclasper> | the distances involved |
| 22:32 | < shadowclasper> | small change and use gravity of stellar bodies to swing yourself around |
| 22:32 | < Ced23Ric> | Please don't give me the space fight lecture. |
| 22:32 | < shadowclasper> | fine... |
| 22:32 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, I know. |
| 22:33 | < shadowclasper> | it's just really neat :( |
| 22:33 | < Ced23Ric> | Like, I am aware of the entire shebang. |
| 22:33 | < Ced23Ric> | It's just that it is incredibly boring for a fightan gaem. |
| 22:33 | < Ced23Ric> | It's hyper interesting for anything else. |
| 22:33 | < shadowclasper> | I kinda disagree... |
| 22:33 | < shadowclasper> | but then I find logistics in warfare to be incredibly damn interesting |
| 22:33 | < shadowclasper> | so I'm probably in the minority |
| 22:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, okay. Try to convince me how it's interesting to laser-snipe each other from one gajillion spaceunits away. |
| 22:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Or how missiles/torpedos are certifiably retarded. |
| 22:34 | < Ced23Ric> | And all that jazz which is correct, but ultimately, boring. |
| 22:35 | < Ced23Ric> | Space fights are transported atmospherical dogfights and naval warfare. |
| 22:35 | < Ced23Ric> | At least, in pop culture, comics, movies. |
| 22:35 | < Ced23Ric> | There is little to no "Well, but that makes no sense in physics!" because the game-verses do not exist in the reality of our universe. |
| 22:36 | < shadowclasper> | missiles and torpedos aren't retarded at all. |
| 22:36 | < Ced23Ric> | They are analogies, futuristic / SciFi analogies. |
| 22:36 | < shadowclasper> | you just make the suckers adjust their own flight. |
| 22:36 | < Ced23Ric> | A projectile that can easily be tracked and avoided that is also extremely slow compared to laser arrays? |
| 22:36 | < Ced23Ric> | Bzzzzt, torpedo gone. |
| 22:36 | < shadowclasper> | and sniping from gajillions of miles away is a pipe dream |
| 22:36 | < Ced23Ric> | Laser sniping. |
| 22:36 | < shadowclasper> | bullshit |
| 22:36 | < shadowclasper> | lasers don't work that way. |
| 22:37 | < shadowclasper> | lasers lose coherency over distance no matter what you do. |
| 22:37 | < Ced23Ric> | >implying lasers cannot heat stuff really far away |
| 22:37 | < shadowclasper> | >implying lasers can heat stuff from further than maybe 10-20 km away |
| 22:37 | < shadowclasper> | max |
| 22:37 | < Ced23Ric> | You know that they use lasers to cause microexplosions to propel shit in the atmossphere. |
| 22:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Err. |
| 22:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Stratosphere. |
| 22:37 | < shadowclasper> | how big are those lasers? |
| 22:38 | < Ced23Ric> | Also: Yeah, you get diffusion on Earth. |
| 22:38 | < Ced23Ric> | Our atmosphere is stuffed with shit. |
| 22:38 | < shadowclasper> | no, you get coherency issues ANYWHERE |
| 22:38 | < Ced23Ric> | What's the particle density in space? |
| 22:38 | < shadowclasper> | coherency has nothing to do with diffusion |
| 22:38 | < shadowclasper> | light scatters |
| 22:38 | < shadowclasper> | it does not go in a straight goddamn line. |
| 22:38 | < shadowclasper> | it takes a LOT of energy to keep it doing so, a lot of precise callibration to get enough of it focused in one direction. You need really good lenses and shit |
| 22:39 | < shadowclasper> | and that takes fucktons of maintenance |
| 22:39 | < Ced23Ric> | 20km is good enough. |
| 22:39 | < shadowclasper> | not if you have interplanetary drives probably. |
| 22:39 | < shadowclasper> | also you're forgetting something really important. |
| 22:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Well if my target fucks off, even better. |
| 22:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Also, if i have interplanetary drives, I also have ER lasers. |
| 22:40 | < shadowclasper> | It is insanely easy to fuck up the ability of a laser to heat a target. |
| 22:40 | < shadowclasper> | I'm not even joking. |
| 22:40 | < shadowclasper> | change the color and the reflection of the material? |
| 22:40 | < Ced23Ric> | you must hate fun. |
| 22:40 | < shadowclasper> | boom |
| 22:40 | < shadowclasper> | your lasers are useless. |
| 22:40 | < Ced23Ric> | You hate even the common counters to spacefights. |
| 22:40 | < shadowclasper> | Nah, I just dislike the traditional "missiles/torps don't work' argument |
| 22:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, they are already pretty weak. |
| 22:41 | < shadowclasper> | space battles are probably, most likely, going to be knife fighting contests. And hell no they're not o_O |
| 22:41 | < shadowclasper> | what happens when an explosion hits directly against a hull? |
| 22:41 | < Ced23Ric> | My bad. |
| 22:41 | < shadowclasper> | all that energy has to go somewhere |
| 22:41 | < shadowclasper> | can't go into the void |
| 22:41 | < Ced23Ric> | By "weak" I mean "effect", not damage. |
| 22:41 | < shadowclasper> | ah |
| 22:42 | < shadowclasper> | well my point is that if you get a direct hit on a space ship? |
| 22:42 | < shadowclasper> | probably going to kill a load of people |
| 22:42 | < Ced23Ric> | A common SSM is effective if it comes unanounced, fast and unexpected. |
| 22:42 | < shadowclasper> | cause of vibrations and shockwaves running through the ship |
| 22:42 | < Ced23Ric> | Or it comes with a BUTTLOAD of buddes, to overload the CIWS, ECM, etc. systems. |
| 22:42 | < shadowclasper> | right |
| 22:42 | < shadowclasper> | and all of this ignores somethign really important |
| 22:43 | < shadowclasper> | it's really, highly, doubtful we'll ever get to the point where a space ship isn't a really, really, really valuable commodity. |
| 22:43 | < Ced23Ric> | True. Very true. I was talking about naval ships. |
| 22:43 | < shadowclasper> | battles will be fought to kill the people on the ship then board it. |
| 22:43 | < Ced23Ric> | All of that: Not fun. |
| 22:43 | < shadowclasper> | in Larry Niven's universe the way that worked was getting to knife fight ranges and then just slowly heating the hull by microwaves. |
| 22:43 | < shadowclasper> | it is if you think 'boarding actions' :3 |
| 22:44 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, sounds incredibly cool for a novel or an ego shooter. |
| 22:44 | < Ced23Ric> | For a space fight game, it sounds turbo-boring. |
| 22:44 | < shadowclasper> | anyway, I disagree about 'fun' but I agree that it's harder to conceptualize and package for others. |
| 22:44 | < Ced23Ric> | Ships and fighters, man. WWII analogies. |
| 22:44 | < Ced23Ric> | They are , physically, wrong and/or unwise. |
| 22:45 | < Ced23Ric> | But that is not and has never been the point. |
| 22:48 | < shadowclasper> | true |
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| 23:44 | < Shades_Corvid> | boo |
| 23:44 | < mraichelson> | yay? |
| 23:44 | < Shades_Corvid> | fear me! |
| 23:45 | < mraichelson> | :| |
| 23:45 | < Shades_Corvid> | Hey, what is going on? |
| 23:45 | < mraichelson> | slacking off from werkinā |
| 23:46 | < Shades_Corvid> | go you? |
| 23:47 | < mraichelson> | totally. |
| 23:49 | < Soren> | I see the great floating missles-vs-lasers argument showed up. |
| 23:49 | < Soren> | missiles* |
| 23:50 | < mraichelson> | is that what it was? |
| 23:50 | < mraichelson> | if it doesnāt involve, you know, things |
| 23:50 | | * mraichelson makes tentacles around his mouth with his hands |
| 23:50 | < mraichelson> | i tend to tune out. |
| 23:50 | < Soren> | Heh. |
| 23:50 | < Soren> | Oh, so do I. Nobody is going to make a new argument there. |
| 23:51 | < mraichelson> | i have a friend from HS with a degree in astrophysics too, so i figure anything iām going to get attached to iāll get schooled on at some point anyway. |
| 23:52 | < mraichelson> | āitās a planet, with {x}āā¦āno. no itās not." |
| 23:53 | < Soren> | Honestly, if thereās no math, the argument comes down to guesswork and aesthetics anyway. |
| 23:54 | < Soren> | Also, a lot of the assumptions are batshit crazy. |
| 23:55 | < Shades_Corvid> | I am presuming this argument has something to do with Intercept Orbit? |
| 23:55 | < Soren> | āIf we spent a hundred years developing gigawatt-range lasers, theyād look like this.ā No, you fool! A hundred years is enough time to go from fucking around with powered flight to being bored by landing on other planets! |
| 23:56 | < Soren> | A century is a long time in R&D. Shit can go completely bananas in a decade. |
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