| --- Log opened Tue Apr 22 00:00:48 2014 |
| 00:07 | < Ced23Ric> | cURSES: |
| 00:07 | < Ced23Ric> | Caps locks" |
| 00:07 | < Ced23Ric> | Typos! |
| 00:07 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren , wake up. |
| 00:12 | | * Ced23Ric slaps Soren around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:12 | < Ced23Ric> | What a silly button. |
| 00:36 | < Soren> | Sorry, was busy. |
| 00:38 | < Ced23Ric> | There he is. |
| 00:38 | < Ced23Ric> | My nap lasted about ... 8.5h. |
| 00:38 | < Ced23Ric> | You were long gone when I was awake again. |
| 00:39 | < Soren> | Yeah, I dozed. |
| 00:39 | < Soren> | I dozed mightily. |
| 00:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. You know those odd 2x2x brick-ish pieces with fender on the side that make awesome protruding windows? |
| 00:40 | < Ced23Ric> | How do you get them to sit snuggly without a gap? |
| 00:41 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/frigate_gap.png |
| 00:45 | < Soren> | headlight bricks! |
| 00:45 | < Soren> | Thatās a half-plate gap right there. |
| 00:46 | < Soren> | So you could make the whole assembly larger by a stud and fill in with a 1x1 round plate, or you could, um, completely rebuild it around the appropriate geometry? |
| 00:47 | < Soren> | Thereās usually not a good answer for these things. |
| 00:47 | < Ced23Ric> | Here's my problem: How do I make that work while it still comes out centered and does not go wider? |
| 00:47 | < Soren> | Oh, duh. |
| 00:47 | < Soren> | Not larger by a stud. |
| 00:47 | < Soren> | taller by a plate. |
| 00:47 | < Ced23Ric> | And: How do I satisfy all this with it still fitting the 2x2 rounds? |
| 00:47 | < Soren> | I really did sleep like shit last night. |
| 00:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Sorry to hear that. |
| 00:48 | < Ced23Ric> | But if I go taller, the gap goes wider. |
| 00:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Or am I stupid just now? |
| 00:48 | < Soren> | Let me pull a couple of those parts from my bins and try something. |
| 00:48 | < Soren> | Yeah, but if the gap is a stud wide, you can fill it with things. |
| 00:48 | < Soren> | You could reverse the stud direction and use a 1x1 slope, too. |
| 00:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Gotcha. |
| 00:49 | < Ced23Ric> | In that case, I think I can save you some time. |
| 00:50 | < Ced23Ric> | I couldn't bring them together while maintaining a centered, smooth outlook. |
| 00:50 | < Ced23Ric> | But that left me with an awkward gap and no attachment points. |
| 00:50 | < Ced23Ric> | So I did this: |
| 00:50 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/frigate_filler.png |
| 00:51 | < Ced23Ric> | I have 1x1x1 with 2 studs on the inside. The bottom goes into 1x1 with 1 stud plates which mounts the 2x2 rounds on the inside. |
| 00:51 | < Ced23Ric> | The top studs go onto the 1x4 (dark red here) and that's where I mount the 1 + 2/3 brick tall gap filler. |
| 00:52 | < Soren> | Hmm. |
| 00:52 | < Soren> | Let me fiddle with this thing Iām doing. |
| 00:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Yessir. |
| 00:55 | < Ced23Ric> | In unrelated news, here's what I came up with today. http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/carrier_bottom.png |
| 00:55 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/carrier_back.png |
| 00:56 | < Soren> | Hmm. Shit. Nothing quite works. |
| 00:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, that's what I found out, too - which is why I did what I did. I figured there might be some trick because I saw it used in larger MOCs, but they can hide so much magic, it ain't even funny. |
| 00:57 | < Ced23Ric> | With the 12/16 scale, we really don't have much space to hide our evil doings. |
| 00:57 | < Soren> | Yeah, if you want them to mate up, itās a 4-plate gap. |
| 00:57 | < Soren> | So, headlight bricks or nothing, essentially. |
| 00:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 00:58 | < Ced23Ric> | So 2 headlights back to back. |
| 00:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Which would project either 4 studs or 4 holes into the center. |
| 00:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Heh. |
| 00:59 | < Ced23Ric> | You know what? |
| 00:59 | < Ced23Ric> | If I close the gap, there is no more room for the 2x2 rounds. |
| 01:00 | < Ced23Ric> | So, by keeping the gap, I can put in a stacked double engine. |
| 01:00 | < Soren> | Yeah |
| 01:00 | < Ced23Ric> | If I close it, I'd be limited to some 2x3 plate with 1x1 rounds as engines rather than two bigger 2x2 rounds. |
| 01:00 | < Soren> | My prototype right now has an offset 2x3 plate, so, yes. |
| 01:00 | < Ced23Ric> | So I think I'll keep it. |
| 01:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Incidientially, it's half a plate off for either engine 2x2 round. ;) |
| 01:01 | < Soren> | I was thinking trans-orange 1x2 plates, but Iām leaning towards doing a Swarmer fuel pod, so. |
| 01:01 | < Soren> | Yep. |
| 01:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, and I suck donkey dick when it comes to sensor arrays. |
| 01:02 | < Ced23Ric> | I always liked yours, because you could even make a snow shoe look like it made sense. |
| 01:02 | < Ced23Ric> | But fuck me sideways and call me Susan if I can replicate any of that. |
| 01:06 | < Soren> | First, donāt invite me to do that unless you mean it. I have lube and a dress in your size and everything. |
| 01:06 | < Soren> | Second, itās a question of perspective. |
| 01:08 | < Ced23Ric> | I have your address, you don't have mine. |
| 01:08 | < Ced23Ric> | I rely on occlusion. |
| 01:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Also: It is! |
| 01:08 | < Ced23Ric> | But i remember, distinctively, the two snowshoes, one at an angle, and some dangly bits. |
| 01:09 | < Ced23Ric> | And it was perfect. |
| 01:09 | < Soren> | Why thank you. |
| 01:09 | < Ced23Ric> | And I look at my mess on antennae and feel sad. |
| 01:09 | < Ced23Ric> | That specific part is imprinted in my mind. |
| 01:09 | < Ced23Ric> | I forgot where it was attached. Something black and white. |
| 01:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Either a ship or a tank. |
| 01:09 | < Soren> | I just snapped that togehter, kept it around, and when i saw somewhere to put it where it fit, it was natural. |
| 01:09 | < Ced23Ric> | I think it was a tank. |
| 01:09 | < Soren> | It was. |
| 01:09 | < Ced23Ric> | I loved that bit. |
| 01:10 | < Soren> | https://secure.flickr.com/photos/bricklovinfreakboy/6696261801/in/photostream/ |
| 01:10 | < Ced23Ric> | It made the entire model, because with the sharp shapes and edges, that fiddly part showed so much love. ;_; |
| 01:10 | < Soren> | Itās attached to nothing more complex than a 1x2 bar plate. |
| 01:11 | < Ced23Ric> | Just two 1x1 clip plates, and the snowshoes turned a little bit? |
| 01:11 | < Soren> | Yep. |
| 01:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Beautiful. |
| 01:13 | < Ced23Ric> | I love that tank anyway. |
| 01:13 | < Ced23Ric> | The middle bit is so stark with all those angles. |
| 01:14 | < Soren> | ty. It was fun to figure out. |
| 01:15 | < Ced23Ric> | Ha, I just remembered something. |
| 01:16 | < Ced23Ric> | When I was a kid, I played a lot with Legos. |
| 01:16 | < Ced23Ric> | And my mother was so stereotypical. |
| 01:16 | < Soren> | Iām hoping to make time to do more large-scale funky things like that, once i have all the tiny things I need to build taken care of. |
| 01:16 | < Ced23Ric> | "You are so great with lego, you should go work for them!" |
| 01:16 | < Ced23Ric> | Little does she know what's out there. |
| 01:16 | < Ced23Ric> | And last time I checked, you weren't working for Lego. |
| 01:17 | < Soren> | NO, although Iāve thought about it. |
| 01:17 | < Soren> | And it would put us in beer range |
| 01:18 | < Soren> | But that would be at least five year out, because I am done with moving. |
| 01:18 | < Soren> | years* |
| 01:18 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, if you do, let me know. |
| 01:18 | < Ced23Ric> | Because of that beer, of course. |
| 01:18 | < Soren> | Of course. |
| 01:18 | < Ced23Ric> | Did you see the player finder section? There's some guys in the SF bay area who have a regular thing going. |
| 01:19 | < Soren> | I was just down there poaying with them. |
| 01:19 | < Soren> | playing* |
| 01:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Sweet! |
| 01:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Have fun? |
| 01:19 | < Soren> | I did. |
| 01:19 | < Soren> | We ran some demos and fun was had. Spaceships were shown off. |
| 01:20 | < Soren> | It did kind of confirm for me that I donāt have the mindset for tabletop games? |
| 01:20 | < Soren> | Once in a while is fun. |
| 01:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Heh. How do you mean= |
| 01:20 | < Soren> | Iām too focused on aesthetics. |
| 01:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, that. |
| 01:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. |
| 01:21 | < Soren> | I canāt focus properly on gameplay. |
| 01:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Did you spend time on making them do cool poses during gameplay? :D |
| 01:21 | < Soren> | I like German-style boardgames because theyāre such an aesthetic experience. |
| 01:21 | < Soren> | So I will probably confine my nerdgamery to that. |
| 01:21 | < Soren> | Also theyāre shorter. |
| 01:22 | < Ced23Ric> | Like, Risk? |
| 01:22 | < Soren> | Or Small World, or Settlers, etc. |
| 01:23 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, gotcha. |
| 01:23 | < Ced23Ric> | Settlers, yeah. |
| 01:23 | < Soren> | Complex, but not so complex that it takes all evening for one game. |
| 01:23 | < Ced23Ric> | We broke that game when we introduced a speculative currency. |
| 01:23 | < Soren> | I bet you did. |
| 01:23 | < Ced23Ric> | "Future Sheep". |
| 01:23 | < Ced23Ric> | Basically, you give me three wood, and I owe you five sheep. |
| 01:23 | < Ced23Ric> | The next five sheep I get are yours. |
| 01:24 | < Soren> | credit, generally, breaks a lot of simplified economies. |
| 01:24 | < Ced23Ric> | That completely eliminated unwanted resources surplus at the table. |
| 01:24 | < Ced23Ric> | And every had what they needed. |
| 01:24 | < Ced23Ric> | *everyone |
| 01:25 | < Ced23Ric> | Man. |
| 01:25 | < Ced23Ric> | I feel like I have a good base shape. |
| 01:25 | < Ced23Ric> | But I cannot decide about the top hull/lower hull for the life of me. |
| 01:28 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/frigate_shape.png |
| 01:29 | < Ced23Ric> | As you can see, I have a quite large 10x4 I can build on. |
| 01:30 | < Soren> | Hmm, not loading for me. |
| 01:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Try again. |
| 01:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Forgot to upload it, to. |
| 01:30 | < Ced23Ric> | I don't need much for this one. |
| 01:31 | < Ced23Ric> | A launch bay (or two or a double length one) for the bottom, a small missile battery for the top. |
| 01:31 | < Soren> | Ah, there. |
| 01:31 | < Ced23Ric> | That's going to be the WW PD/M KK cheeky frigate. |
| 01:32 | < Soren> | Crazy suggestion #1: try a 5-wide hull. |
| 01:32 | < Ced23Ric> | Suggestion taken, question: How do I get 5 wide from a 4 wide aft section? |
| 01:32 | < Soren> | Jumper plates! |
| 01:33 | < Ced23Ric> | Stability doesn't like that. |
| 01:33 | < Ced23Ric> | Also: It's 6 wide now, makes it fatter, but easier to balance and use those Xx4 angled pieces for sleekness. |
| 01:33 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=43710 Crazy suggestion #2; use these, studs-sideways, for your bow shape. |
| 01:33 | < Ced23Ric> | I like that idea. |
| 01:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Only leaves the question on how to fill up the gap in between. Mhmm. Maybe those wingplates. |
| 01:34 | < Soren> | Yeah, potentially. |
| 01:35 | < Soren> | Oh, you can use regular half-stud offset Technic bricks to secure your 5-wide hull. |
| 01:35 | < Soren> | Might be a little tricky, but should work. |
| 01:36 | < Soren> | You can also use the bottoms of 1xN plates to connect at a half-stud offset. |
| 01:36 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, true. |
| 01:36 | < Ced23Ric> | Okay. Why 5 wide? |
| 01:36 | < Soren> | Itāll look leaner and meaner. |
| 01:37 | < Soren> | And the half-stuff offset with the engine will give it a little more volume. |
| 01:37 | < Ced23Ric> | rue. |
| 01:38 | < Ced23Ric> | And it spares me a jumper plate for the chin turret. ;) |
| 01:38 | < Soren> | Speaking of, you could use this: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=13548 to make some room for the chin turret. |
| 01:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Eh, not a fan - 2 bricks is pretty high. |
| 01:39 | < Soren> | Itās true. |
| 01:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Wait, fuck. It is 2:40am and this time, I got work in the morning. |
| 01:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren, thank you for your time and talk, but I should get some sleep. |
| 01:40 | < Soren> | All the fucks. |
| 01:40 | < Soren> | And yeah, you should. |
| 01:40 | < Soren> | I apologize. |
| 01:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Nah, all my fault. :D |
| 01:40 | < Ced23Ric> | No worries, it is late shift. |
| 01:40 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll get my 8h sleep. |
| 01:40 | < Soren> | Fly, like the wind, to the sleeps! |
| 01:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Buh-bye. |
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| 02:39 | < StubbsPKS> | Hey hey |
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| 02:42 | < Soren> | Hello. |
| 02:42 | < StubbsPKS_> | hi |
| 02:42 | < StubbsPKS_> | I seem to have been DCed |
| 02:43 | < Soren> | Itās a risk. |
| 02:43 | < StubbsPKS_> | I have a quick question about LDraw |
| 02:43 | < Soren> | Okay. I can answer none of those questions reliably. |
| 02:43 | < Soren> | But I can point youto people who could if I donāt know. |
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| 02:44 | < Soren> | I have built one model successfully in LDraw, and that was last week. |
| 02:44 | < StubbsPKS_> | I downloaded it, but I don't seem to be able to view any lfx files. |
| 02:45 | < Soren> | I am pretty sure LDraw doesnāt/canāt read LDD files. |
| 02:45 | < StubbsPKS_> | Ah |
| 02:45 | < Soren> | I donāt have LDD, so I canāt tell you if there are conversion options. |
| 02:45 | < StubbsPKS_> | so, I guess my question is different than I thought :) |
| 02:45 | < StubbsPKS_> | How do I view them? :P |
| 02:46 | < StubbsPKS_> | Oh, I see. LDD is it's own thing |
| 02:46 | < Soren> | Yeah. |
| 02:46 | < StubbsPKS_> | Thanks :) |
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| 02:46 | < Soren> | Iām just glad it was a question i could actually answer. |
| 02:46 | < StubbsPKS> | Very new to mf0 and trying to get some designs set up so I can put in a Bricklink order |
| 03:21 | < Soren> | Ah, well. That is a long and involved process. |
| 03:21 | < Soren> | Sorry, I had to deal with a few distractions. |
| 03:22 | < Soren> | Including a cat gnawing on my toes. |
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| 04:20 | < StubbsPKS> | haha no worries, I ran out for food |
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| 05:37 | < FlakManiak> | BrickLink is indeed a long and involved process, and very annoying. I always use the cost minimizer scripts these days because it's SO much easier and it's cheaper to boot. |
| 05:37 | < FlakManiak> | Well, Stubbs is gone. |
| 05:37 | < FlakManiak> | Actually yeah, I think everything but my first two batches of orders was with the cost minimizer. Makes things so much better! |
| 05:38 | < FlakManiak> | It's my ace in the hole and why I find BrickLink fine to deal with. |
| 07:13 | < Soren> | Yeah, Iām just good with the catalogue. |
| 07:14 | < Soren> | Also I donāt have to make bulk orders to meet a minimum partslist, so itās not really a comparable situation. |
| 07:15 | < Soren> | I often feel totally unqualified to give advice to new people because, uh, the designs in the book are based in part around what parts I already had on hand? |
| 08:24 | | Soren is now known as Soren[Away] |
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| 22:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Heya! |
| 22:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren, I think I just enlisted 4chan to revise MFZ:RA. |
| 23:10 | < FlakManiak> | What kinds of revisions do you think it needs? |
| 23:10 | < FlakManiak> | Other than my frames in the book, of course. |
| 23:11 | < FlakManiak> | That Soren guy? Who is he? Some builder? |
| 23:11 | < FlakManiak> | (<3) |
| 23:14 | | Soren[Away] is now known as Soren |
| 23:14 | < Soren> | I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED |
| 23:14 | < Soren> | First, Iām sorry, anyone who has their fist up 4chan that deep deserves only sympathy. |
| 23:15 | < Soren> | Second, I wouldnāt mind seeing your list of suggested revisions. |
| 23:16 | < FlakManiak> | I'm off to dinner. I look forward to seeing Ced's list of issues/proposed changes, though. |
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| 23:28 | < Mantisking> | Hello. |
| 23:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Heya! |
| 23:29 | < Ced23Ric> | We're gonna cut the fat. |
| 23:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Trim down the core rulebook to non-ambiguous, clear-cut rules. |
| 23:29 | < Mantisking> | Really. |
| 23:29 | < Ced23Ric> | We're also going to address the spot superiority. |
| 23:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, wait, you missed half of this. |
| 23:30 | < Mantisking> | Oh? |
| 23:30 | < Ced23Ric> | I am currently in cahoots with some guys from 4chan to revise he MFZ:RA rulebook. |
| 23:30 | < Mantisking> | Why? |
| 23:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Because it is not a good book for quick rule references and has several ambiguous statements. |
| 23:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Additionally, spot is overpowering. |
| 23:41 | < Mantisking> | Play the game long enough and the rules become internalized. |
| 23:41 | < Mantisking> | And considering Spot was formerly useless, I'll take the current version. |
| 23:47 | < Ced23Ric> | Two arguments: Accessability. If something needs to be repeated over quite some time, it can be improved. And: Spot is dominant, not "okay". It is clearly the single source of making all other systems inferior. This isn't black/white. Spot needs some balance, not removal. |
| 23:47 | < Ced23Ric> | I understand that people don't like change. |
| 23:47 | < Ced23Ric> | But in it's current state, MFZ is defined by Spot. |
| 23:51 | < Mantisking> | {*shrug*} If that's what you think. |
| 23:51 | < Soren> | I think thatās perfectly reaosnable, but right now Iām distracted from thinking about the math by imagining what your deeply-held unshakable assumptions would look like butting up against Joshuaās deeply-held unshakable assumptions. |
| 23:52 | < Soren> | I mean, I still have the log, but I really want to see you guys clash in an epic finale, Pacific Rim style. |
| 23:52 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, it is simple. |
| 23:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Josh gave me his game. |
| 23:53 | < Ced23Ric> | CCL means I can take it, change it and publish it with intact CCL again. |
| 23:53 | < Mantisking> | Soren, I'm assuming you're talking to Ced23Ric? |
| 23:53 | < Ced23Ric> | He is. |
| 23:54 | < Mantisking> | Ah, 'kay. |
| 23:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Furthermore, I do not intend to ... destroy MFZ:RA. If anything, I would want to reformat/rewrite MFZ:Core, and then expand into MFZ:Revised, as an alternative rulesset. |
| 23:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Additionally, the 4chan guys also want to make MFZ:Danger Close, a scenario framework for MFZ. |
| 23:54 | < Mantisking> | If that's what you want to do. MFZ works for me as it is right now. |
| 23:55 | < Ced23Ric> | That is what I want to do. |
| 23:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Thing is, MFZ works great on a casual level. |
| 23:55 | < Soren> | Yeah, Talking to Ced, and youāve totally got the right, I just like watching you guys argue. |
| 23:56 | < Ced23Ric> | But as soon as you strive for competitive play, you will face the problem of isolated builds being superior. |
| 23:56 | < Ced23Ric> | HtH, for example, is a nigh-on useless avenue. |
| 23:56 | < Soren> | It depends on what you mean by ācompetitiveā |
| 23:56 | < Ced23Ric> | And any frame that cannot reliably spot is a liability. |
| 23:56 | < Mantisking> | As long as it doesn't happen on the Hangar and I don't have to ban anyone, I won't mind. |
| 23:56 | < Soren> | Personally, the only change i would make to the rules is to mandate an uneven number of players. |
| 23:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Eh? |
| 23:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Why would that not be allowed on the hangar..? |
| 23:56 | < Mantisking> | Arguments can get heated sometimes |
| 23:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren: Yes, that ... that is a good starting point. I guess a statement that MFZ strives of disparities and such off player count is advised would go into the revised document, too. |
| 23:57 | < Mantisking> | And I really hate having to moderate people who aren't out-and-out pricks. |
| 23:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Fair enough, then you probably will let people do their discussions. |
| 23:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Convictions are great driving forces, just as passion is. |
| 23:58 | < Soren> | In general I think moderation is a pretty thankless task, and anything that makes less moderation necessary for the same general level of order is probably a net good. |
| 23:58 | < Ced23Ric> | If it remains reasonable and does not become personal, I see no reason for any moderator to step in. |
| 23:58 | < Mantisking> | True. |
| 23:58 | < Soren> | Unless weāre talking executions, which should be reserved for Reddit. |
| 23:58 | < Soren> | ;) |
| 23:59 | < Mantisking> | So, any comments on my new fleet? https://www.flickr.com/photos/35895569@N05/13987926583/ |
| 23:59 | < FlakManiak> | I agree with Ced that the rulebook is poorly laid out for looking things up. I don't know how much reorganization can be done to help it, but I would bet it's a lot. On how the rules work themselves, I can't comment much. But the book could use organizational work. |
| 23:59 | < Soren> | I am deeply entertained by the nipple-guns. |
| 23:59 | < Mantisking> | Yeah, those have to change. |
| 23:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Nipple guns are pretty much an autowin. |
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