| --- Log opened Sun Jun 03 00:00:05 2012 |
| --- Day changed Sun Jun 03 2012 |
| 00:00 | <~Noah> | No |
| 00:00 | < randolph> | |roll d20 |
| 00:00 | < Dukayn> | Oh good I didn't get it wrong then |
| 00:00 | < randolph> | Is it funny now? |
| 00:00 | <~Noah> | Oh, no wonder I don't have any music downloaded, I don't have have utorrent installed |
| 00:02 | <~Noah> | Ew, there's a pro version now |
| 00:05 | < randolph> | That canary is pretty awesome looking |
| 00:05 | < randolph> | @ Ced |
| 00:05 | < Ceddo> | Thanks. :D |
| 00:05 | < Ceddo> | Dukes doesn't want to take credit. :( |
| 00:05 | < randolph> | Too bad, you put his name there. Take it, Dukayn, TAKE IT |
| 00:06 | < Dukayn> | lol |
| 00:06 | < Dukayn> | I'll take credit for the /idea/ |
| 00:06 | < randolph> | Also, too bad it's HtH; like a canary, it dies first~ |
| 00:06 | < Dukayn> | But really there's what, 6 pieces in the whole thing total which is my design |
| 00:07 | < randolph> | Eh, he's not hurting anyone by crediting inspiration to you |
| 00:07 | < randolph> | "We stand on the shoulders of giants, and people of height that fall within a standard deviation of average from Australia" or something |
| 00:08 | < Dukayn> | lol |
| 00:08 | < Dukayn> | We do grow em big here |
| 00:14 | < Dukayn> | Ceddo: you know I love the Canary. But I just can't bring myself to add those chunky bits around the cockpit for the SPawk |
| 00:15 | | afny is now known as afny|away |
| 00:16 | < Ceddo> | But it's so sexy. |
| 00:16 | < Dukayn> | On the Canary, yes. On my spawk, it just looks too chunky |
| 00:17 | < Dukayn> | especially with tyre arms :P |
| 00:17 | < randolph> | Have you made a base model in blue, with fingered hands? |
| 00:17 | < randolph> | It could be the Commander Spawk |
| 00:18 | | * MittenNinja facepalm |
| 00:20 | < Ceddo> | LOL |
| 00:20 | < Ceddo> | HOLD IT RIGHT THERE MITTENS. |
| 00:20 | < Ceddo> | Here: http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/vmw03_gadian_b6.png |
| 00:20 | < Ceddo> | :D |
| 00:21 | < randolph> | http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/329/1195158-psd3d006_super.jpg |
| 00:21 | < MittenNinja> | Lol |
| 00:21 | < Dukayn> | Ah, the NCC-1701-D "Jean-Luc" frame ;) |
| 00:22 | | * Noah cockpitclaws |
| 00:24 | < randolph> | I like the Gadian's crest |
| 00:24 | < randolph> | I need to try more humanoid designs |
| 00:27 | < Dukayn> | Man I like my SSR pod |
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| 00:27 | < Dukayn> | Well, I say /mine/ but I should credit Ceddo with the inspiration :P |
| 00:27 | < Ceddo> | The hex pods? |
| 00:27 | < Ceddo> | I pass that on to Soren. |
| 00:28 | < Ceddo> | I take the credit for the 4 stud 1x2 brick, and the 1x2 hinge plate. |
| 00:28 | < Ceddo> | But that's it. |
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| 00:31 | < randolph> | mfh down again? |
| 00:34 | < MittenNinja> | Nope |
| 00:44 | < randolph> | Ok, my connection I guess. |
| 00:45 | < Dukayn> | Working OK here |
| 00:45 | < randolph> | Yeah, I got to it. |
| 00:46 | < randolph> | Made some minor edits on Ch2 while working through Ch3 |
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| 00:56 | | mode/#mf0 [+o McMartin] by ChanServ |
| 00:56 | <@McMartin> | I guess I should put this on my autojoin channel list |
| 00:56 | < Dukayn> | heh |
| 00:57 | < Ceddo> | Indoobly. |
| 00:57 | < randolph> | Mcmartin |
| 00:57 | < Ceddo> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d69be8NjyiU |
| 00:57 | < Ceddo> | There, enjoy some 'tarded fun while I go for a smoke. |
| 00:57 | <@McMartin> | Hey randolph |
| 00:58 | < randolph> | Is TF actually here? |
| 00:58 | < randolph> | Haven't seen him make a peep |
| 00:58 | <@McMartin> | He's been pretty busy the past few days, not sure how active he is overall |
| 00:58 | < Dukayn> | I've never seen him speak |
| 00:58 | < randolph> | ah |
| 00:59 | <@McMartin> | ALso, he's been known to keep 87 tabs open at once, he might just be lurking or have forgotten he was here. |
| 00:59 | < randolph> | He's the only other person "in" this channel I've known longer than April~ |
| 01:01 | <@McMartin> | I haven't seen too much from him elsewhere either for more than a few minutes at a time |
| 01:01 | <@McMartin> | I expect that continue at least through Tuesday or so. |
| 01:01 | <@McMartin> | *to continue |
| 01:05 | <~Noah> | He comes and goes |
| 01:05 | <~Noah> | And he's in IFMud, dunno how regularly |
| 01:06 | <~Noah> | it's a wonder how TF gets anything done ever |
| 01:06 | <@McMartin> | He has connection problems there. |
| 01:06 | <@McMartin> | Well. He hasn't said anythign anywhere on net for awhile I can see (though maybe he's just active where I'm not), so that's one way to do it ;-) |
| 01:06 | < randolph> | Eh, no biggie. |
| 01:06 | | * McMartin sends out the weekend Daleks since he should really be in the office now. |
| 01:06 | <@McMartin> | (PROCRASTINATE) |
| 01:06 | < randolph> | Just haven't spoken to him probably in... 6 years |
| 01:07 | <~Noah> | Wait |
| 01:07 | <~Noah> | Are you Wang? |
| 01:07 | < randolph> | Yes. |
| 01:07 | < randolph> | And WangTech |
| 01:07 | | * Noah dies |
| 01:07 | < randolph> | and R |
| 01:07 | < randolph> | Why? |
| 01:07 | <~Noah> | I love Mr. Chibs hijinks :P |
| 01:07 | < randolph> | Are you about to reveal that you're secretly my father? |
| 01:08 | < Ceddo> | Bahahaha. |
| 01:08 | < Ceddo> | No one cares about anything Randy does EVER. |
| 01:08 | < Ceddo> | It's all dwarfed by Mr. Chibs. |
| 01:08 | <~Noah> | No, I just have a secret crush on you. Don't tell anyone. |
| 01:08 | < randolph> | K. |
| 01:08 | < Ceddo> | HE IS MY CRUSH. |
| 01:08 | < Ceddo> | GO GET YOUR OWN. |
| 01:08 | < Ceddo> | FIRST. |
| 01:08 | < Ceddo> | DIBS. |
| 01:08 | <~Noah> | NO |
| 01:08 | < Ceddo> | YES. |
| 01:08 | < randolph> | #stud #ilikebigstruts #pegging |
| 01:08 | | * Noah tableflips Cedric |
| 01:08 | | * Ceddo arcs Noah. |
| 01:09 | < Dukayn> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/vmw03_gadian_b6.png |
| 01:09 | < Ceddo> | LOL |
| 01:09 | < randolph> | Now, now, girls, you're all pretty |
| 01:09 | < Ceddo> | NOAH. |
| 01:09 | < Ceddo> | Tagteam? |
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| 01:10 | <~Noah> | Nah, he's yours |
| 01:10 | <~Noah> | I have my bot |
| 01:10 | <~Noah> | I really need to work on his programming, but I'm soooo lazy |
| 01:11 | < randolph> | Can you make him respond to :shades: with "YEEAAAAAAH" |
| 01:11 | < Dukayn> | lol, my irc plugin turns :s into a confused smiley :P |
| 01:11 | <~Noah> | Yea probably, there's a bot over in #gaslampgames that does that |
| 01:11 | < randolph> | Right, but we're not there, we're here. |
| 01:11 | < randolph> | And it'll come up, I promise. |
| 01:12 | < Ceddo> | Just like my ... :shades: ... dick. |
| 01:12 | <~Noah> | Yeeeeaaa~ No. |
| 01:12 | < Dukayn> | no |
| 01:12 | < Ceddo> | :D |
| 01:12 | < Ceddo> | <Dukayn> http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/vmw03_gadian_b6.png |
| 01:12 | | * Noah ponders how to best do that |
| 01:12 | | * McMartin builds a frame with Pun Evaluation AI (1B) |
| 01:13 | < randolph> | Not Spot? (I see what you did there) |
| 01:13 | <@McMartin> | Well, originally it was going to be 2B, but then I thought, 2B or not 2B? |
| 01:13 | < randolph> | Ahnold: "Not 2B" |
| 01:13 | <@McMartin> | Thus! 1B. |
| 01:13 | < Ceddo> | Never 2B. |
| 01:14 | < Ceddo> | I am growing really religious about this. :D |
| 01:14 | < randolph> | There are situational uses. |
| 01:14 | < Ceddo> | Damage isn't guns, it's spot. Def isn't Blue, it's movement (into cover). Spotting isn't neat, it's damage. Movement isn't fast, it's doubling up on Def and obstacle mitigation. |
| 01:14 | < Ceddo> | THis is going to be my mantra. |
| 01:14 | < randolph> | Just isn't as catchy as "Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle... yeah" |
| 01:15 | < Dukayn> | ROFL! |
| 01:15 | < randolph> | LMFAO |
| 01:15 | < Ceddo> | I do the same motion, though. |
| 01:15 | < randolph> | "I'm hexy and I know it" |
| 01:15 | <@McMartin> | Ceddo: Isn't that just refictionalizing damage? |
| 01:16 | <@McMartin> | Or are you suggesting rules tweaks? |
| 01:16 | < randolph> | Those are analysis results |
| 01:16 | <@McMartin> | Ah |
| 01:16 | <~Noah> | Sounds like metagaming |
| 01:16 | < randolph> | Attack calculation: d6 weapon (EV 3.5) + d6 spot (EV 3.5) - d6 defense (EV 3.5) = damage dice |
| 01:17 | < randolph> | weapon EV cancels out defense EV, which means only spot means a damn |
| 01:17 | < randolph> | Range is the ultimate defense |
| 01:17 | < randolph> | Cover is next |
| 01:17 | < Dukayn> | heck only reason I did any damage on my last attack in our pbp is because of a spot |
| 01:18 | < randolph> | The defense itself is important to have, but the EV of extra dice (beyond whites) is pretty marginal |
| 01:19 | < Ceddo> | When I step on the scene, well you know me / Purple pink Ijad on the roll, white and black spiderbots, out of control / I take my hand, I'm a one man band / Put it on the Scrambler 'frame, aiming at'chu, go forth, reap pain! / I got passion in my 'frames, and I ain't afraid to show it ... I target your frame, fire and then blow it. / Double, double, double, double SSR, yeah! Double, double, double, |
| 01:19 | < Ceddo> | double SSR, yeah! |
| 01:19 | < Dukayn> | lol |
| 01:20 | < Ceddo> | I need a fucking contract. |
| 01:20 | < Dukayn> | a... contract... to fuck? |
| 01:20 | < randolph> | Weird Al has the filk market pretty cornered |
| 01:20 | < Dukayn> | like, you want to have sex with a legal document? |
| 01:20 | <~Noah> | Pretty sure that's illegal here. Dunno about Germany |
| 01:20 | < Ceddo> | Weird Al also decorates street signs with stickers. |
| 01:20 | < randolph> | Everything's illegal in Germany |
| 01:20 | <@McMartin> | HRm |
| 01:20 | < Ceddo> | Except for EFFICIENCY. |
| 01:20 | < Dukayn> | Pretty sure the porn industry would disagree, Noah :P |
| 01:20 | <@McMartin> | Is there a reason the defense die is used to cancel out the weapon instead of the spot? |
| 01:20 | < Ceddo> | Inefficiency is illegalm though. |
| 01:21 | < randolph> | MCM: Because there's always a weapon die |
| 01:21 | < randolph> | otherwise... no attack |
| 01:21 | <@McMartin> | Hrm |
| 01:21 | < Dukayn> | As far as the math goes, it doesn't make any difference though. |
| 01:21 | <@McMartin> | Something about this bugs me but I can't put my finger on it |
| 01:21 | < Dukayn> | 1d6+1d6-1d6 = ? |
| 01:21 | < Ceddo> | McMartin: Yeah, because spot cannot attack. Weapons only enable. Spot deals the damage. |
| 01:21 | < Ceddo> | But it's semantics, really. |
| 01:21 | < Dukayn> | it is |
| 01:21 | <@McMartin> | Ceddo: Aha, OK, that's the frame of view I wasn't getting |
| 01:21 | < randolph> | Well, this is part of the details that don't matter |
| 01:22 | <@McMartin> | Yeah, I waas trying to interpret it. |
| 01:22 | < randolph> | It's not Y vs R |
| 01:22 | < randolph> | It's Y vs B |
| 01:22 | < randolph> | If someone's attacking you, they've got Red. |
| 01:22 | < randolph> | It's going to happen |
| 01:22 | < Dukayn> | even if you say B cancels out Y, the math doesn't change. |
| 01:22 | < Ceddo> | But you cannot attack without R, you cannot ignore def without Y. so damage is dealt by (R+Y) vs B. |
| 01:22 | < Ceddo> | We're saying that spot is damage because with spot, there is none. |
| 01:22 | < randolph> | And since we assume R is there... it's Y that is the delta |
| 01:23 | < Ceddo> | Exactly. |
| 01:23 | <@McMartin> | Gotcha |
| 01:23 | <@McMartin> | Hm. |
| 01:23 | < Ceddo> | It's odd. |
| 01:23 | < Ceddo> | Very odd. |
| 01:23 | < Ceddo> | But works fine on the field. |
| 01:23 | < randolph> | I discussed this at length when Eli and I were theorycrafting back in April |
| 01:23 | <@McMartin> | That makes Red Dice, um, Initiative. |
| 01:23 | <@McMartin> | Need a new word for that >_> |
| 01:23 | < Ceddo> | Well ... nah. |
| 01:23 | < randolph> | You may recall the time I asked you to crunch those EV stats |
| 01:23 | < Ceddo> | It makes Red "range designator". :D |
| 01:23 | < randolph> | It was that same convo |
| 01:23 | <@McMartin> | Heh |
| 01:23 | <@McMartin> | Ah, OK, yeah |
| 01:24 | < Ceddo> | LEt me show you a company, MM. |
| 01:24 | <@McMartin> | That was actually the conversation that got this channel founded - Noah and I were going over it in #code here |
| 01:24 | < randolph> | Don't go anywhere with Cedobear |
| 01:24 | < randolph> | It's not candy |
| 01:24 | < Ceddo> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1003&p=3526#p3461 |
| 01:24 | < Ceddo> | Scroll down to Jenaya's Court. |
| 01:24 | < Ceddo> | It's the biggest company of that post. |
| 01:25 | <~Noah> | True story |
| 01:25 | < Ceddo> | It's 12 spot, on 8 'frames. And only 2 Def. |
| 01:25 | < Ceddo> | But 8 move. |
| 01:25 | < randolph> | Did they change the frame counts between preview and pdf? |
| 01:25 | < randolph> | Because Skirmish used to be 7 frames, but seems capped at 6 now |
| 01:25 | < Ceddo> | Yeah. |
| 01:25 | < Ceddo> | They gave Skirmish 3 SSR, too. |
| 01:25 | < randolph> | USF benefits a lot more from 7 frames :x |
| 01:26 | < randolph> | (because it loses power less-than-linearly compared to the norm) |
| 01:26 | < Ceddo> | Well, USF has an insanely high combat loss treshold. |
| 01:26 | < randolph> | :D |
| 01:26 | <@McMartin> | I kind of fell out of the metagame over the past couple weeks |
| 01:26 | < Ceddo> | It has literally only one necessary system. The range enabler. :D |
| 01:27 | < randolph> | The metagame is still prenatal |
| 01:27 | < Ceddo> | The current high tier meta (I sound a bit ridic.) is Rd / Ra Y Y B/G. :D |
| 01:27 | < randolph> | The rules aren't final, and new stuff is discovered every sim |
| 01:27 | < Ceddo> | Redundancy seems to be more efficient than toolboxing, too. |
| 01:27 | < randolph> | That's because toolboxing dies to focus |
| 01:27 | < Ceddo> | Toolboxing is easily shut down. |
| 01:28 | < Ceddo> | Damage spikes can only be mitigated by synergy. |
| 01:28 | < randolph> | USF are a box of gray goo |
| 01:28 | < Ceddo> | Highest synergy is spot. |
| 01:28 | < Ceddo> | Spot is also damage. |
| 01:28 | < Ceddo> | Spot is king. |
| 01:28 | < randolph> | Well. To be fair, d8 boost EV quite a bit |
| 01:28 | < randolph> | like, more than the EV of going from 1Y to 2Y... unfortunately 2Y gives a god-tier ability |
| 01:28 | < Ceddo> | d8 vs. d6? |
| 01:28 | < randolph> | Yeah |
| 01:29 | < Ceddo> | But 2Y is cross-spot. |
| 01:29 | < randolph> | Yeah |
| 01:29 | < Ceddo> | Which makes for constant spot. |
| 01:29 | < randolph> | it's god-tier |
| 01:29 | < Ceddo> | Constant spot means constant damage. |
| 01:29 | < Dukayn> | Yep |
| 01:29 | < randolph> | yep |
| 01:29 | < Dukayn> | All my arty frames are 2Y |
| 01:29 | < Ceddo> | And constant damage ends games fast. |
| 01:29 | < Dukayn> | no matter what |
| 01:29 | < Ceddo> | Ra Ra Y Y B or G is probably the fiercest Arty 'frame. |
| 01:29 | < Dukayn> | Yeh |
| 01:29 | < Ceddo> | Especially behind Rd Rd Y Y B/G Soldiers. |
| 01:29 | < randolph> | I think it needs to be G |
| 01:29 | <@McMartin> | I'd go with G to ensure you stay in arty range. |
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| 01:30 | < randolph> | ^ for that reason, AND because hopping cover |
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| 01:30 | <~Noah> | I am testing... |
| 01:30 | < randolph> | If you can't hop cover, you are fucking dead when someone bases you |
| 01:30 | <~Noah> | !shades |
| 01:30 | < randolph> | :shades: |
| 01:30 | < randolph> | *shades* |
| 01:30 | | * randolph shades |
| 01:30 | <~Noah> | Sec sec sec |
| 01:30 | < Dukayn> | Yeah, if I had to refield the Roughnecks I'd change B for G |
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| 01:31 | < randolph> | I still think, Skirmish-sized map, DF should beat A/D split |
| 01:31 | <@McMartin> | Words I don't understand: "bases" as a verb. "toolboxing" in design. |
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| 01:31 | < randolph> | "base" someone, comes from minigaming |
| 01:31 | < randolph> | Where you "touch their mini base" |
| 01:31 | < Ceddo> | Smoking a beer, BRB.. |
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| 01:31 | < Dukayn> | I haven't heard that one |
| 01:32 | < randolph> | get into melee, essentially |
| 01:32 | < Dukayn> | so, HtH |
| 01:32 | <@McMartin> | Gotcha. |
| 01:32 | < randolph> | Also a pretty good euphemism |
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| 01:32 | <@McMartin> | As opposed to having all their base belong to you. |
| 01:32 | < Dukayn> | heh |
| 01:32 | < randolph> | toolbox design is making "silver bullets" |
| 01:32 | | * McMartin is murdered by fragmentation clam artillery strike. |
| 01:32 | < randolph> | "the right (specialist) tools for the job" |
| 01:32 | <@McMartin> | Mm. That works very poorly with this damage model, I'd think |
| 01:32 | <@McMartin> | SInce damage is "breaking your tools" and all |
| 01:32 | < randolph> | Right |
| 01:33 | < randolph> | except |
| 01:33 | < randolph> | like, you can have "Spotter" 2Y, then you have 2 ablative defenses |
| 01:33 | < randolph> | You can have artillery 2R+d8R, and 2 ablative defenses |
| 01:34 | <@McMartin> | Mmm, OK, I guess |
| 01:34 | < randolph> | Then comes the realization that they can be the same guy |
| 01:34 | < randolph> | redundancy protects against focus fire |
| 01:34 | <@McMartin> | THe numbers being thrown around for "spot is king" don't seem like that's enough ablation, so |
| 01:34 | | * McMartin nods |
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| 01:34 | <~Noah> | Hmm |
| 01:34 | <@McMartin> | Maybe somebody called :shades: an exterminator |
| 01:34 | < randolph> | Well, you always get one shot, unless you get one-shotted |
| 01:35 | < Dukayn> | poor Trilly :P |
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| 01:35 | < randolph> | So, it doesn't matter, really, as long as you're giving as good as you get, on average |
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| 01:36 | < randolph> | The ablative defenses are there so you are effective for as long as possible: (this is why 2B mobile cover increases its ward's effective effectiveness by up to 100%) |
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| 01:37 | <~Noah> | Stupid bot |
| 01:37 | <@McMartin> | Ah, OK |
| 01:38 | < randolph> | Back to the spotter/artillery thing: if you make them both the same guy, you now have 2d6R+d8R, 2Y - they are both Artillery and Spotter, and until you take damage, you've committed no specialists |
| 01:38 | < randolph> | As they take damage, you shed systems to create the specialist that will best solve your puzzle |
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| 01:40 | | * Noah pokes the bot |
| 01:41 | <~Noah> | Okay, no violent barfing now |
| 01:41 | <~Noah> | Well damnit |
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| 01:43 | < randolph> | What seems to be the problem? |
| 01:44 | | Dukayn is now known as Dukayn[Shower] |
| 01:44 | < Dukayn[Shower]> | bbs |
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| 01:47 | < randolph> | Poor Mittens |
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| 01:51 | <~Noah> | NameError |
| 01:51 | <~Noah> | Test |
| 01:51 | <~Noah> | !shades |
| 01:51 | <~Noah> | Or is it |
| 01:51 | < aiac> | Hey all, I'm just popping in from the invite on bricklink. |
| 01:51 | <~Noah> | Hello aiac |
| 01:51 | < Ceddo> | Great! |
| 01:51 | < Ceddo> | The first to fall into our net. |
| 01:51 | < aiac> | Any other BL'ers here? |
| 01:52 | < aiac> | lol |
| 01:52 | < Ceddo> | Well, I use BrickLink. |
| 01:52 | < Ceddo> | Does that make me qualify? |
| 01:52 | <~Noah> | All of use bricklink, hehe |
| 01:52 | < Ceddo> | Indeed we do. :D |
| 01:52 | < aiac> | sounds good |
| 01:52 | < Ceddo> | Oh, we do. And we weep manly tears of financial pain. |
| 01:53 | < randolph> | Yeah, we have to use Bricklink |
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| 01:54 | < randolph> | No better way to get that many travis bricks that doesn't involve scamming a LEGO shop owner's 25-year-old daughter somewhere in Germany. |
| 01:54 | <~Noah> | For we many many 1x1 modified parts |
| 01:54 | <~Noah> | need* |
| 01:54 | < randolph> | Hypothetically. |
| 01:54 | <~Noah> | !shades |
| 01:54 | <~Noah> | Waka |
| 01:54 | <~Noah> | Bot hates me |
| 01:54 | <~Noah> | !shaes |
| 01:54 | < mf0bot> | Noah: didn't recognise shaes |
| 01:54 | <~Noah> | !shades |
| 01:54 | <~Noah> | Okay, sets the trigger, but isn't triggering |
| 01:55 | < randolph> | You could sell that as a pill |
| 01:55 | < Ceddo> | <randolph> No better way to get that many travis bricks that doesn't involve scamming a LEGO shop owner's 25-year-old daughter somewhere in Germany. <-- What a horrible thing to do. |
| 01:56 | <~Noah> | okay, so I need to set the trigger variable elsewhere |
| 01:56 | < Ceddo> | Can't you just set a remote call? |
| 01:56 | < Ceddo> | on:*:text:/msg mf0 YEAAH ? |
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| 01:57 | < Ceddo> | Randy duplicated. |
| 01:58 | < randolph> | Redundancy. |
| 01:58 | < randolph[laptop]> | Beats focus fire. |
| 01:58 | < Ceddo> | *shades* |
| 01:58 | <~Noah> | Nope |
| 01:58 | < afny> | Oh god, these bricklink orders... |
| 01:58 | < afny> | aren't individually baggied! |
| 01:58 | < Ceddo> | DON'T LOOK AT THEM. |
| 01:58 | < afny> | BUT I MUST |
| 01:58 | < afny> | I MUST. |
| 01:58 | < Ceddo> | ... I know that feel, bro. |
| 01:59 | < randolph[laptop]> | Ouch |
| 01:59 | < afny> | its just one bag for grey |
| 01:59 | < afny> | and one for black |
| 01:59 | < Ceddo> | I had an order the other day. |
| 01:59 | < afny> | and one for, inexplicably, grey taps. |
| 01:59 | < Ceddo> | 200 bricks. |
| 01:59 | < randolph[laptop]> | ngghh |
| 01:59 | < Ceddo> | 7 colors. |
| 01:59 | < Ceddo> | One bag. |
| 01:59 | < randolph[laptop]> | www.7colors1bag.com |
| 01:59 | < Ceddo> | I was about to rage. |
| 01:59 | < Ceddo> | Oh god we need that site. |
| 01:59 | < randolph[laptop]> | 2taps1clip? |
| 01:59 | < Ceddo> | It's just a picture of tubgirl. |
| 01:59 | < Ceddo> | ANd we put it in feedback links. |
| 02:00 | < randolph[laptop]> | ... no please :( |
| 02:00 | < Ceddo> | "Thanks, full feedback on my website: www.7colors1bag.com " |
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| 02:03 | < MittenNinja> | whuddup? |
| 02:03 | < randolph[laptop]> | MCM, got a link to your Little Lytton entry? |
| 02:03 | < randolph[laptop]> | Hey MN, wb |
| 02:03 | < MittenNinja> | thanks |
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| 02:06 | | Dukayn[Shower] is now known as Dukayn |
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| 02:07 | <~Noah> | aiac: Rolf hasn't joined yet amazingly |
| 02:07 | <~Noah> | !shades |
| 02:07 | <~Noah> | Test |
| 02:07 | < Dukayn> | Hey Mittens |
| 02:08 | < MittenNinja> | yessir? |
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| 02:08 | < Dukayn> | Nuthin, I was just saying hi |
| 02:08 | <~Noah> | Damnit |
| 02:08 | < Ceddo> | Dukey showers for ages. |
| 02:09 | < MittenNinja> | haha |
| 02:09 | < MittenNinja> | hows it goin? |
| 02:09 | < Ceddo> | [02:44:34] * Dukayn is now known as Dukayn[Shower] |
| 02:09 | < Ceddo> | [03:06:50] * Dukayn[Shower] is now known as Dukayn |
| 02:09 | < Ceddo> | That's one clean Ozzy! |
| 02:09 | < afny> | wow, this order sucks |
| 02:09 | < afny> | so many missing or wrong parts so far |
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| 02:09 | < Dukayn> | 20 mins, including time to get dressed, brush hair etc. |
| 02:09 | < Ceddo> | Really, afny? :( |
| 02:09 | <~Noah> | afny: That bad? |
| 02:09 | < afny> | I only needed two minifig neck studs |
| 02:09 | < afny> | how hard is it to fuck that up |
| 02:09 | < randolph[laptop]> | ouch |
| 02:10 | < Ceddo> | Dukayn: Sorry, princess. Didn't want to pull your leg there. |
| 02:10 | < afny> | I got one neck stud and one |
| 02:10 | <~Noah> | !shades |
| 02:10 | < randolph[laptop]> | I've had pretty good luck so far, but I stuck to those stores |
| 02:10 | <~Noah> | Waka |
| 02:10 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 02:10 | < afny> | 1x1 plate with wall thingy |
| 02:10 | <~Noah> | OH LOOK! |
| 02:10 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
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| 02:10 | < Dukayn> | lol |
| 02:10 | <~Noah> | I rock |
| 02:10 | < MittenNinja> | lol wtf |
| 02:11 | < randolph[laptop]> | We asked him to add detectino for :shades: |
| 02:11 | < randolph[laptop]> | *detection |
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| 02:11 | <~Noah> | Yea, so I've been spamming the channel with a broken bot |
| 02:11 | <~Noah> | Because my bot... |
| 02:11 | <~Noah> | !shades |
| 02:11 | <~Noah> | Is a loose nut |
| 02:11 | < randolph[laptop]> | Since then, mf0bot has been up and down more than D3's servers |
| 02:11 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 02:12 | <~Noah> | However, I think it's good |
| 02:12 | < Dukayn> | Nice |
| 02:12 | | * Noah pats mf0bot |
| 02:12 | < Dukayn> | I like that it waits for the punchline |
| 02:12 | <~Noah> | that's lag |
| 02:12 | < Dukayn> | oh |
| 02:12 | < randolph[laptop]> | haha |
| 02:12 | < Dukayn> | well, good? |
| 02:12 | < randolph[laptop]> | The way we do it is preload lines |
| 02:12 | <~Noah> | Oh, you mean it trigger on the next message |
| 02:12 | < randolph[laptop]> | use soft returns |
| 02:13 | <~Noah> | Soft returns? |
| 02:13 | < Dukayn> | yeah that's what I meant |
| 02:13 | < randolph[laptop]> | doesn't work with all clients |
| 02:13 | <~Noah> | This is in python |
| 02:13 | < randolph[laptop]> | blah blah blah <newline command> blah blah |
| 02:13 | < Dukayn> | it doesn't seem to just trigger on the ! command |
| 02:13 | < randolph[laptop]> | !shades |
| 02:13 | < randolph[laptop]> | hm |
| 02:13 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 02:13 | < randolph[laptop]> | !shades |
| 02:13 | <~Noah> | Ah, nah, this bot triggers on your punchline |
| 02:13 | < randolph[laptop]> | Oh cool |
| 02:13 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 02:14 | < randolph[laptop]> | hee |
| 02:14 | < Dukayn> | LOL |
| 02:14 | <~Noah> | See? |
| 02:14 | < Dukayn> | Perfect |
| 02:14 | <~Noah> | Also works on :shades: |
| 02:14 | <~Noah> | Or |
| 02:14 | <~Noah> | :shades: |
| 02:14 | <~Noah> | Does it |
| 02:14 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 02:14 | <~Noah> | But it is laggy, I'm torrenting |
| 02:14 | < afny> | what is the piece called that's like, a 1 x 1 tile |
| 02:14 | < afny> | with a vertical wall on two sides of it |
| 02:15 | < afny> | so it's the same dimensions as a brick, but only 3 faces |
| 02:15 | < Dukayn> | at right angles? |
| 02:15 | < afny> | yeah |
| 02:15 | <~Noah> | A seat? |
| 02:15 | < MittenNinja> | i believe its a wall piece |
| 02:15 | < Dukayn> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=6231 |
| 02:15 | <~Noah> | I have two of those |
| 02:15 | < MittenNinja> | or a panel |
| 02:15 | < MittenNinja> | :p |
| 02:15 | < randolph[laptop]> | Ooh, a Q*bert step |
| 02:15 | < afny> | Thanks, a panel |
| 02:15 | < afny> | I got one of those instead of a minifig neck stud |
| 02:16 | < Dukayn> | panel on bricklink |
| 02:16 | < Dukayn> | wall corner in LDD |
| 02:16 | < afny> | need the proper name to tell the seller |
| 02:16 | <~Noah> | Ah, yea, those |
| 02:16 | <~Noah> | I have two in black, haha |
| 02:16 | < randolph[laptop]> | You could just say "Bricklink ID 6231" |
| 02:16 | < Dukayn> | I have a couple in grey |
| 02:16 | < afny> | I didnt have the ID |
| 02:16 | < afny> | I didn't know what they were because I didn't order any |
| 02:16 | <~Noah> | I'm going to add parts catalog to the bot eventually, that lets you search by string or part id, and prints a clickable link |
| 02:17 | < Dukayn> | Ooh nice |
| 02:17 | < MittenNinja> | thatd be totally sweet |
| 02:17 | <~Noah> | I've got the loader function done, just learning fuzzywuzzy for string matching |
| 02:17 | < Ceddo> | !4377 |
| 02:17 | < mf0bot> | Ceddo: didn't recognise 4377 |
| 02:18 | < Ceddo> | Should then return the catalog link to 4377. |
| 02:18 | < Dukayn> | how did I know that'd be the first one tried? |
| 02:18 | < Ceddo> | :D |
| 02:18 | < Ceddo> | 4377 doesn't even exist. |
| 02:18 | < randolph[laptop]> | Lacks believability. Everyone knows that one by heart <_< |
| 02:18 | <~Noah> | I was doing to do !blfind <string> and !id <id> |
| 02:19 | < Ceddo> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=4377 |
| 02:19 | < Ceddo> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?S=4077-1 <--- LOL |
| 02:19 | < randolph[laptop]> | heh |
| 02:19 | < Ceddo> | http://www.bricklink.com/SL/4077-1.jpg |
| 02:19 | < Ceddo> | CHALLENGE PART, ANYONE?! |
| 02:19 | < randolph[laptop]> | 4733-1 is "Dueling Club." I totally read "Dueling Chubs" |
| 02:19 | < Dukayn> | hehe |
| 02:20 | < Dukayn> | what's a travis then? I thought it was 4733 |
| 02:20 | < randolph[laptop]> | 4733 |
| 02:20 | < Dukayn> | oh you did 4377 |
| 02:20 | < randolph[laptop]> | 4377 != 4733 |
| 02:20 | < Dukayn> | sneaky |
| 02:20 | < Dukayn> | OH SHUT UP |
| 02:20 | < randolph[laptop]> | :shades: |
| 02:20 | < randolph[laptop]> | Shady, even |
| 02:20 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 02:21 | <~Noah> | It rolls dice too *sniffle* |
| 02:22 | < randolph[laptop]> | Yeah, but I have dice. I don't have David Caruso and the Who on speed dial~ |
| 02:22 | <~Noah> | aiac: Feel free to bump my thread with how awesome we are |
| 02:23 | <~Noah> | !mf0 rrRRRRby |
| 02:23 | < mf0bot> | Rolls for rrRRRRby: Red (Attack) - [4, 4, 3, 6, 8, 4], Blue (Defense) - [6], Yellow (Spot) - [3], Green (Move) - [0], Whites (Wilds) - [0] |
| 02:23 | <~Noah> | !mf0 ww |
| 02:23 | < mf0bot> | Rolls for ww: Red (Attack) - [0], Blue (Defense) - [0], Yellow (Spot) - [0], Green (Move) - [0], Whites (Wilds) - [5, 5] |
| 02:23 | < Ceddo> | aiac is uberactive, Noah. Totes McGoats he's gonna do that. :D |
| 02:24 | <~Noah> | har |
| 02:24 | <~Noah> | That was a cool roll, 8, 6, 5, 5 |
| 02:25 | < randolph[laptop]> | So cap R is d8? |
| 02:25 | < randolph[laptop]> | or any cap is d8? |
| 02:25 | < Ceddo> | Any cap. |
| 02:25 | < randolph[laptop]> | cool |
| 02:25 | <~Noah> | Well, cap R and G |
| 02:25 | < Ceddo> | !mf0 aayygww |
| 02:25 | < mf0bot> | Sorry, you specified an invalid die |
| 02:25 | < Ceddo> | !mf0 rryygww |
| 02:25 | < mf0bot> | Rolls for rryygww: Red (Attack) - [6, 6], Blue (Defense) - [0], Yellow (Spot) - [1, 1], Green (Move) - [1], Whites (Wilds) - [1, 1] |
| 02:25 | <~Noah> | There are not d8 blue, yellow or white |
| 02:26 | < Ceddo> | WTF. |
| 02:26 | < randolph[laptop]> | !mf0 RYGBW |
| 02:26 | < mf0bot> | Sorry, you specified an invalid die |
| 02:26 | < Ceddo> | That's a horrible roll. |
| 02:26 | < randolph[laptop]> | cool |
| 02:26 | < Dukayn> | ALL OF THE ONES |
| 02:26 | <~Noah> | Wow, that was an awesome roll |
| 02:26 | < Ceddo> | I know. |
| 02:26 | < Dukayn> | in this instance, Y is not damage ;) |
| 02:26 | < Ceddo> | No. O_o |
| 02:26 | < Ceddo> | Well, it is. |
| 02:26 | < Dukayn> | lol |
| 02:26 | <~Noah> | haha |
| 02:26 | < Dukayn> | just not much |
| 02:26 | < Ceddo> | The spot's for the next guy. |
| 02:26 | < Ceddo> | Yeah. |
| 02:26 | < Ceddo> | :D |
| 02:27 | < Ceddo> | I ASSIGN 1 TO DEF. |
| 02:27 | < Ceddo> | MOVE 1. |
| 02:27 | < randolph[laptop]> | Spotblocked |
| 02:27 | < Ceddo> | PLUCK MY NOSE 1. |
| 02:27 | < Ceddo> | AND BLOW YOU TO MARS. |
| 02:27 | < Ceddo> | Fuck. |
| 02:27 | < randolph[laptop]> | Rocketblocked? |
| 02:27 | < randolph[laptop]> | Bluediced? |
| 02:29 | | Dukayn is now known as Dukayn[AFK] |
| 02:31 | < afny> | So what's the etiquette on bricklink if I receive an order that is fucked up just enough to be a hassle, but the seller obviously didn't TRY to screw me over |
| 02:31 | < randolph[laptop]> | You don't post a feedback, you send them a message through the order interface |
| 02:32 | < afny> | like I got a bunch of stuff that's 3 less than I ordered, but some other bits I got 4 extra, so it mostly balances out cost wise...it's just really annoying because some stuff I ordered only 2 of, I didn't get my full quantity |
| 02:32 | < randolph[laptop]> | "Hi, just got my order, sorry to bother you but I ordered X, and got Y" |
| 02:32 | < randolph[laptop]> | Don't need to mention the stuff you got extra of |
| 02:32 | < randolph[laptop]> | Then, if they're pretty legit, they'll say "Oh, sorry, I'll send those right out" |
| 02:32 | < randolph[laptop]> | And when you get it, leave positive feedback |
| 02:32 | < randolph[laptop]> | If they blow you off, leave negative feedback |
| 02:33 | <~Noah> | Yea, Dawnie6 finally sent me the correct bricks, so left her a positive review for following through |
| 02:33 | <~Noah> | But it sounds like whoever you bought from knows fuck all about handling orders |
| 02:33 | | Cedric [Ced@Nightstar-69ae6335.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mf0 |
| 02:33 | < Cedric> | Send them hatemail, skin their cats and sell upskirts of their wives on Kijiji. |
| 02:34 | < randolph[laptop]> | I nominate Cedric as Bricklink ambassador~ |
| 02:34 | < Cedric> | Huzzah! |
| 02:34 | < Cedric> | It's because I have the best ideas, right? |
| 02:35 | < randolph[laptop]> | It's your turns of phrase and excellent family-friendly humor |
| 02:35 | < Cedric> | All of the previous statements are true. |
| 02:35 | < Cedric> | Wangtech has been my sponsor for a long time now. |
| 02:35 | < Cedric> | I approve of their products. Give them a call, today. |
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| 02:36 | < randolph[laptop]> | Heh, that's what I need, a NASCAR team |
| 02:36 | < Cedric> | Oh god. |
| 02:38 | < randolph[laptop]> | Team WangTech: Turning left for the future. |
| 02:39 | < afny> | Is Bricklink still wonky? |
| 02:39 | < afny> | I can't change the status of an order to "received" |
| 02:39 | <~Noah> | afny: As far as I know yes |
| 02:39 | < afny> | hm |
| 02:39 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | yeah |
| 02:39 | < afny> | maybe I should've sent that message as an email |
| 02:40 | <~Noah> | What did the NASCAR driver's GPS say? |
| 02:40 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | "Turn left here" |
| 02:41 | <~Noah> | "Turn left, then turn left, then turn..." |
| 02:41 | < Cedric> | It's confusing. |
| 02:41 | < Cedric> | Or, in the words of South Park: |
| 02:42 | < Cedric> | IMMA DRIVE REAL FAST AND DEN TURN LEFT SOME TIME. |
| 02:42 | < randolph[laptop]> | I know we can improve on this |
| 02:42 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | NASFRAME |
| 02:43 | < randolph[laptop]> | "Did you hear about the movie collaboration between popular American Rapture fiction and NASCAR? It's called "Left Ahead"" |
| 02:43 | < randolph[laptop]> | too obscure? |
| 02:43 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | yes |
| 02:44 | <~Noah> | very |
| 02:44 | < Cedric> | L4D? |
| 02:44 | < randolph[laptop]> | Left Behind is this absurd, horribly written, but inexplicably popular series |
| 02:45 | < randolph[laptop]> | It's about people getting taken bodily by the Rapture, and the world left behind |
| 02:45 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | I yearn to live in such a world |
| 02:45 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | it would be a much better place :P |
| 02:45 | < randolph[laptop]> | I know right |
| 02:45 | < Cedric> | OH. |
| 02:45 | < Cedric> | I REMEMBER NOW. |
| 02:45 | < Cedric> | That was an RTS. |
| 02:45 | < randolph[laptop]> | "wait, how is this a "take that?"" |
| 02:45 | < Cedric> | Fuck, that was hilarious. |
| 02:46 | < randolph[laptop]> | The characters were so transparently Freudian, it was hilarious |
| 02:46 | < Cedric> | You had like little choir singers to convert HEATHENS to Christians. |
| 02:46 | < randolph[laptop]> | haha |
| 02:46 | < randolph[laptop]> | That sounds amazing |
| 02:46 | < Cedric> | And then, they turned into Soldiers. |
| 02:46 | <@McMartin> | The best part was that you could actually have your minions turn to the forces of Satan via exposure to rock music. |
| 02:46 | < Cedric> | To kill PUNKS. |
| 02:46 | < Cedric> | But PUNKS had METAL SINGERS. |
| 02:46 | <@McMartin> | To be fair |
| 02:46 | < Cedric> | Metal singer increased your SIN and dropped your FAITH. |
| 02:46 | <@McMartin> | You could take all of this stuff and turn it into an RTS starring 80's hair bands and it would be greatest thing ever made. |
| 02:47 | < Cedric> | And eventually, your stout Christian Soldiers became HEATHENS again! |
| 02:47 | <~Noah> | Wasn't there a Left Behind game already? |
| 02:47 | < randolph[laptop]> | You know, there should be a total conversion L4D with fundies as the zombies: LeftBhind |
| 02:47 | < Cedric> | I played it. |
| 02:47 | <~Noah> | I tried the MMO, but there was no one on *buddumchish* |
| 02:47 | < randolph[laptop]> | Noah: MCM and Ced are *describing* it |
| 02:47 | < randolph[laptop]> | This is a real thing |
| 02:47 | <@McMartin> | THough it sounds like Ced knows it better than I do - I only read about it. |
| 02:47 | < Cedric> | I played it. |
| 02:47 | < Cedric> | Loved it. :D |
| 02:47 | < randolph[laptop]> | haha |
| 02:47 | <~Noah> | In German? |
| 02:47 | <@McMartin> | I have to give it credit for proper respect for THE POWER OF ROCK MUSIC |
| 02:47 | < Cedric> | No, Noah. |
| 02:47 | < Cedric> | In English. |
| 02:48 | < randolph[laptop]> | Though, hm, LeftBhind sounds too much like Rule 34 porn |
| 02:48 | <@McMartin> | I did play X-COM 2 in German, though. |
| 02:48 | <@McMartin> | That was hilarious. |
| 02:48 | < Cedric> | ... what do you think I do, Noah? |
| 02:48 | < Cedric> | I am seriously interested. |
| 02:48 | < Cedric> | Do you think I watch all movies in German? |
| 02:48 | <~Noah> | Do German's learn English because everything is poorly translated and dubbed? |
| 02:48 | < Cedric> | No, because we live in Europe. |
| 02:48 | <~Noah> | Cedric: Yes. |
| 02:48 | < Cedric> | And every fucking idiot has their onw language. |
| 02:48 | <~Noah> | So, I live in USA, but don't speak Spanish |
| 02:49 | < Cedric> | And we're tired of it. So we learn the one that every one knows. |
| 02:49 | < randolph[laptop]> | You are required to learn 3 languages in Germany |
| 02:49 | < Cedric> | I learned 4. |
| 02:49 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | German, English, and EFFICIENCY |
| 02:49 | < randolph[laptop]> | Just giving Noah basics |
| 02:49 | <@McMartin> | Cedric: Some of this may be is that German is one of the langauges we Americans are required to translate everything into for international releases |
| 02:49 | < Cedric> | German, English, French, Latin for me. |
| 02:50 | | * McMartin thinks. "English, French, German, Italian, Spanish" is the standard set IHRC. |
| 02:50 | <@McMartin> | Not usually with one translator =P |
| 02:50 | < Cedric> | McMartin: Yeah, well. We're proud of our language. :D |
| 02:50 | < randolph[laptop]> | JP~ |
| 02:50 | < Cedric> | I majored in English, lived in Canada for 1.5 years. |
| 02:50 | <~Noah> | Cedric: So let me get this straight |
| 02:50 | <@McMartin> | randolph[laptop]: Well, not for EU releases |
| 02:50 | < randolph[laptop]> | you said "international" :p |
| 02:50 | <~Noah> | We HAVE to translate everything into German |
| 02:50 | <@McMartin> | Well, OK |
| 02:50 | <~Noah> | But you just read or watch it in English any fucking way |
| 02:50 | < Cedric> | I speak it fluently, read/write it fluently and I used to correct native speakers writings. |
| 02:50 | < Cedric> | Noah: Yeah. |
| 02:51 | <@McMartin> | Well, that's easy, native speakers never studied it and get everything wrong =p |
| 02:51 | < randolph[laptop]> | Noah: Different people might not have as much of a command of the language |
| 02:51 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | His accent is very light |
| 02:51 | <@McMartin> | Tim Schafer was referring to EFIGS as a language in its own right. |
| 02:51 | < Cedric> | Because not all of us (read: consumers) are English majors. |
| 02:51 | < Cedric> | Oh, that's right, Dukey has heard me speak. |
| 02:51 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Yeah, briefly |
| 02:51 | < randolph[laptop]> | Karaoke? |
| 02:51 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | before you ditched me to go play with Ackbar |
| 02:51 | < randolph[laptop]> | Was it Danzig? |
| 02:51 | < Cedric> | Yeah, sorry for bailing. |
| 02:52 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | lol |
| 02:52 | < Cedric> | But my roomie came in, halfway awake, in a bathrobe. |
| 02:52 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | it's OK, everything comes second to ACTUAL PLAYING MFZ |
| 02:52 | < Cedric> | With two cups of coffee. |
| 02:52 | < Cedric> | And he was like: "So how does this work again?" |
| 02:52 | <~Noah> | But in German? |
| 02:52 | < Cedric> | Ironically, that guy knows so much about MFZ, just by listening to me and looking over my shoulder, he could finish the PbP we have going on right now. |
| 02:53 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | I wish Schoon would :P |
| 02:53 | < Cedric> | INORITE: |
| 02:53 | < Cedric> | I am so tempted to boot him. :D |
| 02:53 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | I took it as far as I could. |
| 02:53 | <~Noah> | "So haf doesen Thiest workeng againstein." |
| 02:53 | < Cedric> | Noah: Yes. Although we speak a mixture of German and English casually. |
| 02:53 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | But now it's waiting on Trilly and he wants to wait |
| 02:53 | <~Noah> | <- Fluent in Germanese. |
| 02:53 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | So pissed I only scored 1 hit |
| 02:53 | < Cedric> | Dukey: My turn is gonna read like this: |
| 02:54 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | 1) rape Dukey because he's been concentrating on Trilly |
| 02:54 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | 2) WIN |
| 02:54 | < Cedric> | "Fire at X, Y Damage, drop Z systems, spot moving on, fire at A, B damage, drop C systems, moving on ... " |
| 02:54 | < Cedric> | And after all my frames went and the dust cleared, there will be one wall of text. |
| 02:54 | < Cedric> | And then the round is over. |
| 02:55 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Well, by your turn all frames have been activated |
| 02:55 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | so you don't need to wait on other peoples' rolls |
| 02:55 | < Cedric> | Well, Trilly gets one more activation. |
| 02:55 | < Cedric> | Nah. |
| 02:55 | < Cedric> | Trilly still has one 'frame. |
| 02:55 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Oh that's right he's last |
| 02:55 | < Cedric> | Nah. |
| 02:55 | < Cedric> | He won't have to go. :D |
| 02:55 | < randolph[laptop]> | You think you can one-shot him? |
| 02:55 | < Cedric> | I'll try. |
| 02:55 | < randolph[laptop]> | He'll still have to roll.. |
| 02:56 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | It's only Egress left to activate isn't it. |
| 02:56 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Then it's just your stuff |
| 02:56 | < Cedric> | Exactly. |
| 02:56 | < Cedric> | Egress will eat it. |
| 02:56 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | I deliberately left him alone |
| 02:56 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | as he can shell all my guys. |
| 02:56 | <~Noah> | Afk, Beat Hazard and/or Audiosurf |
| 02:56 | < randolph[laptop]> | o/ |
| 02:56 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | so he can sit there and wait it out :P |
| 02:57 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | hopefully you can put him down |
| 02:57 | < randolph[laptop]> | Duk: In exchange, all of your defenses are rolled |
| 02:57 | < randolph[laptop]> | now he can pick the best target :p |
| 02:57 | < Cedric> | Dukey: Do you think that I am there to back you up? |
| 02:57 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | True |
| 02:57 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Hahaha no I expect to get reamed |
| 02:57 | < Cedric> | I'll be honest. |
| 02:58 | < Cedric> | I will probably end up playing the player. |
| 02:58 | < randolph[laptop]> | What does that even |
| 02:58 | < afny> | yeah what DOES that mean |
| 02:58 | < afny> | playa. |
| 02:58 | < Cedric> | Because ... I always do. I play strategy games with all angles I find. |
| 02:58 | < Cedric> | Well. |
| 02:58 | < Cedric> | Trilly has no idea what is going on. |
| 02:58 | < Cedric> | He is clearly the most clueless. |
| 02:58 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Well he knows he's getting munched |
| 02:58 | <~Noah> | <Cedric> I cheat. |
| 02:59 | < Cedric> | LOL |
| 02:59 | < randolph[laptop]> | So you'll crush Dukayn instead and feast on his bones |
| 02:59 | < Cedric> | Nah. |
| 02:59 | < Cedric> | Trilly is also my biggest threat. |
| 02:59 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | He'll probably mop up Trilly then switch to me. |
| 02:59 | < Cedric> | Well. Not by much, anymore. |
| 02:59 | < Cedric> | Dukey gutted him hard. |
| 02:59 | < randolph[laptop]> | I'd focus on getting Init |
| 02:59 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | I'm guessing anyway |
| 02:59 | < randolph[laptop]> | let them... Duk it out |
| 03:00 | < Cedric> | !shades |
| 03:00 | < Cedric> | Yes. |
| 03:00 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 03:00 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/vmw03_gadian_b6.png |
| 03:00 | < Cedric> | LOL |
| 03:00 | < randolph[laptop]> | You are very active for one so AFK! |
| 03:00 | < Cedric> | Inorite. |
| 03:00 | < randolph[laptop]> | And dear god this channel is so bad for my chapter 3 |
| 03:00 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | I'm supposed to be tidying the kitchen |
| 03:00 | < Cedric> | Liar. Filthy liar. |
| 03:00 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | I really don't wanna |
| 03:00 | < Cedric> | Fuck the kitchen and chapter 3. |
| 03:00 | < Cedric> | We are being productive here, gentlemen. |
| 03:01 | < randolph[laptop]> | I have written zero new words since I logged in here! |
| 03:01 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | lol |
| 03:01 | < randolph[laptop]> | This is not good! |
| 03:01 | < Cedric> | You write a shit ton of words right now. |
| 03:01 | < Cedric> | Look at my fanfic. Super slow. |
| 03:01 | < Cedric> | You know what I did last week? |
| 03:01 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Look at mine! Doesn't exist! |
| 03:01 | < Cedric> | Wrote it on my todo list! |
| 03:01 | < randolph[laptop]> | Writer's block, or distracted? |
| 03:01 | < Cedric> | You know what happened next? |
| 03:01 | < Cedric> | I deleted the todo list. |
| 03:01 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | hahaha |
| 03:01 | < Cedric> | Problem solved! |
| 03:02 | < randolph[laptop]> | So just low prio? |
| 03:02 | < Cedric> | No ... spark that requires writing. |
| 03:02 | < randolph[laptop]> | Er. Did you mean "writing requiers [a] spark?" or somethign else? Didn't parse |
| 03:02 | < Cedric> | I much rather build 'frames, solve problems, analyse the hell out of the system, prep my demo games and smoke beers with the roomies. |
| 03:02 | < Cedric> | Let me reiterate. |
| 03:03 | < Cedric> | If not rephrase. |
| 03:03 | < Cedric> | There was no thought or image that rose to the surface, concerning this story, that was worthy of being expanded on. |
| 03:03 | < randolph[laptop]> | ah, gotcha |
| 03:03 | < Cedric> | I wait. These things come to me. And when I write, I sit down and it happens. |
| 03:03 | < Cedric> | I don't plan much. |
| 03:03 | < Cedric> | I have no idea where this is going. |
| 03:04 | < Cedric> | The fanfic is creative. |
| 03:04 | < randolph[laptop]> | The entire story was a vignette in my head, I just started writing scenes and dumping out coherent chapters |
| 03:04 | < Cedric> | The background is creative. |
| 03:04 | < Cedric> | The companies are crunch. |
| 03:04 | < Cedric> | And I love my crunch. |
| 03:04 | < randolph[laptop]> | So I have an outline for the whole thing already |
| 03:04 | < Cedric> | SUN GOES UP. BEER GOES DOWN. |
| 03:04 | < randolph[laptop]> | heh |
| 03:04 | < Cedric> | I'd find an outline confinding. |
| 03:05 | < randolph[laptop]> | well, I mean, I don't have to stick to it |
| 03:05 | < Cedric> | BRB, need to step on the balcony for a few. |
| 03:05 | < Cedric> | Back in like, 5 to 10. |
| 03:05 | < randolph[laptop]> | If something doesn't work when the characters start breathing, well, make room for it |
| 03:05 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Cool. Coo-coo-cool. |
| 03:05 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | I'm actually AFKing now too. Gonna go do this kitchen. |
| 03:05 | < randolph[laptop]> | hehe |
| 03:09 | < Cedric> | Alright. |
| 03:09 | < Cedric> | It's 4am. |
| 03:09 | < Cedric> | Birds are screaming. |
| 03:09 | < Cedric> | Sun goes up. |
| 03:09 | < Cedric> | *rubs chin* |
| 03:09 | < Cedric> | Normal people would be in bed. |
| 03:10 | < randolph[laptop]> | It's the weekend, screw them~ |
| 03:12 | < afny> | Literally. Go outside and fuck some birds. |
| 03:13 | < Cedric> | I was gonna ask. |
| 03:13 | < Cedric> | Afny has great advice. |
| 03:13 | < Cedric> | Like the one time, we went and I had a smoke. |
| 03:13 | < Cedric> | I asked him all sheepishly, if he minds. You know, trying to be considerate. |
| 03:13 | < Cedric> | He looks at me and smiles that exact same smile he is smiling right now. |
| 03:14 | < Cedric> | "Oh, no ... and when you see a big, brown hedge passing by, throw the butt right in." |
| 03:14 | < randolph> | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1194 |
| 03:15 | < randolph> | re: afny's advice |
| 03:15 | < Cedric> | This trook forever to read. |
| 03:16 | < Cedric> | *took |
| 03:16 | < Cedric> | But it was worth it. |
| 03:16 | < Cedric> | Verily. |
| 03:16 | < Soren> | MWAHAHAHAHA I HAVE MOTHER FUCKING ROBOTS. |
| 03:16 | < randolph> | Is that legal? |
| 03:16 | < randolph> | Or are you talking about the fertility clinic waldoes? |
| 03:16 | < Soren> | Nobody's mom has a mouth free to complain. |
| 03:17 | < randolph> | That's a lot of studs. |
| 03:18 | < Cedric> | (He has robots. *whispers*) |
| 03:19 | < Soren> | one custom company to go! |
| 03:19 | < randolph> | Do you have pictures of said robots? |
| 03:19 | < randolph> | Oh, these are for the kickstarter? |
| 03:19 | < Soren> | some special edition shit to finalize! |
| 03:19 | < Soren> | yeah |
| 03:19 | < randolph> | cool |
| 03:19 | < randolph> | I'm sorry I didn't make it in early enough |
| 03:19 | < randolph> | All those had sold out before I even saw the kickstarter |
| 03:19 | < Soren> | Then I get on and ask people about posting pictures, and then I post pictures of the win. |
| 03:19 | < Soren> | oh, the Garages? |
| 03:19 | < Soren> | these are the levels above that. |
| 03:20 | < randolph> | the "you get Special Soren Shit" |
| 03:20 | < Soren> | There will still be Garages. |
| 03:20 | < randolph> | (SSS) |
| 03:21 | < Cedric> | Nah, they have to communicate with him. |
| 03:21 | < afny> | okay, this storage system is so complicated |
| 03:21 | < afny> | I've got like 11 "Twinnings" tea tins, and each one has half an index card with an illustration of the parts it needs |
| 03:22 | < afny> | but I realize now that the logic behind it is absolutely insane |
| 03:22 | < randolph> | heh |
| 03:22 | < afny> | sometimes I combine the modifieds, sometimes I sort by color |
| 03:22 | < afny> | sometimes I sort by number of studs |
| 03:22 | < randolph> | Just do by part family, then by part. Do not sort by color |
| 03:22 | < MittenNinja> | Does that mean mine is done Soren? |
| 03:22 | < randolph> | it's easy to grab the right color from a bin |
| 03:22 | < afny> | but I have to sort by color for trans-clear stuff |
| 03:23 | < randolph> | it's hard to find a 1x1 with h-clip in a box of 1x1 with v-clip |
| 03:23 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | not if you've stacked em |
| 03:23 | < afny> | oh god don't tell me that |
| 03:23 | | * Dukayn[AFK] scurries back to the kitchen |
| 03:23 | < Soren> | Mittens: alas, still waiting on hands |
| 03:23 | < randolph> | Don't stack |
| 03:23 | < Cedric> | I sort by colour, then by type. |
| 03:23 | < afny> | I don't stack |
| 03:23 | < afny> | I don't want to wear down my bits for one thing |
| 03:23 | < randolph> | Either you use the parts too often, wasting time, or you didn't need those, and it's like archiving |
| 03:23 | < Cedric> | ... what? :D |
| 03:24 | < afny> | i've split too many jumpers to think stacking is a good plan |
| 03:24 | < randolph> | yeah |
| 03:24 | < randolph> | Man, this channel. Stop being distractin |
| 03:24 | < MittenNinja> | damn |
| 03:26 | < Soren> | Yeah, sorry to get your hopes up. |
| 03:26 | < randolph> | Which faction did you pledge for, MN? |
| 03:26 | < Soren> | I got 20 of those tan clips, though, so you can have the extra too. |
| 03:27 | < MittenNinja> | oooo |
| 03:27 | < MittenNinja> | thanks! |
| 03:27 | < Soren> | you're very welcom |
| 03:27 | < Soren> | +e |
| 03:27 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
| 03:29 | < MittenNinja> | @randolph I got Some Serpent Legion frames |
| 03:30 | < MittenNinja> | chub "fat snake" variants |
| 03:31 | < Soren> | I can dig up my in-progress shot, if you want. |
| 03:32 | < Cedric> | You can't catch them ... |
| 03:32 | < Cedric> | !shades |
| 03:32 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/rl0ihldsj88drtu/Greg%27s%20Company.jpg |
| 03:32 | < Cedric> | ... red-handed in that one. |
| 03:32 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 03:33 | < randolph> | Nice |
| 03:33 | < Soren> | They're a blast to build. |
| 03:34 | < Soren> | Greg came up with good specs. |
| 03:34 | < randolph> | Is... |
| 03:34 | < Cedric> | I hope someone gets my clever joke. |
| 03:34 | < randolph> | Is that face... a rocket launcher |
| 03:34 | < randolph> | Oh, no, it's the one in front |
| 03:34 | < randolph> | heheh |
| 03:34 | < MittenNinja> | Im glad you like them Soren |
| 03:34 | < MittenNinja> | I love em |
| 03:34 | < Cedric> | Oh, now I fucking get it. LOL, randy. |
| 03:35 | < Cedric> | I tried to follow your confusion. |
| 03:36 | < randolph> | "She had a face that launched a thousand ships. That is to say, she had a face like a mass-conversion thruster." |
| 03:36 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Those Fat Snakes are nice |
| 03:37 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | but I think the guns in front aren't big enough |
| 03:37 | < randolph> | Might I recommend: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wangtech/7229159708/ |
| 03:37 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | hehe |
| 03:38 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | there's something about a headlight brick with a tile with an X on it as a launcher pod (I assume) which is just... right. |
| 03:38 | < randolph> | Yeah, I love those SSRs |
| 03:39 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | I also like the hex pod look |
| 03:39 | < afny> | I use the four little squares |
| 03:39 | < afny> | with two black, two white |
| 03:40 | < afny> | er...red |
| 03:40 | < afny> | sadly most of mine are in yellow, so...YELLOW MISSILE PODS |
| 03:40 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | pic? I can't bring it to mind |
| 03:40 | < Cedric> | Awritey. Hittin' the hay. |
| 03:40 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | night Ced |
| 03:40 | < Cedric> | Back in ~6. ;) |
| 03:40 | < afny> | o/ |
| 03:40 | < randolph> | later Ced |
| 03:40 | < randolph> | afny, got a pic? |
| 03:40 | | Cedric is now known as Ced|Bed |
| 03:41 | < afny> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyanosmoros/7234254344/ |
| 03:41 | < afny> | that's my only one in white |
| 03:41 | < randolph> | ooh |
| 03:41 | < afny> | and it's also lopsided |
| 03:41 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | ah yeah |
| 03:41 | < randolph> | I thought you meant four pieces of something |
| 03:41 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | those are nice too |
| 03:41 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | mine are kinda.... bigger. |
| 03:41 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | http://www.dukayn.net/MFZ/SSRPod1.png |
| 03:41 | < randolph> | I don't have any decals other than the odd "control panel" |
| 03:41 | < afny> | I found these sweet white 1x2 tiles that are some sort of |
| 03:42 | < afny> | really 80's mod control panel |
| 03:42 | < afny> | that only use primary colors and black |
| 03:42 | < randolph> | huh |
| 03:42 | < afny> | I don't know what I'm going to do with them but they're so sweet |
| 03:43 | < randolph> | Is it the thing I used in the TetraJack? |
| 03:43 | < randolph> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1436 |
| 03:44 | < randolph> | Otherwise, here's the bricklink search for 1x2 tiles with decorations: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=1+x+2&catLike=W&catString=39&sor tBy=N&sortAsc=A&catType=P |
| 03:44 | < afny> | nope, its white |
| 03:44 | < afny> | and much more abstract |
| 03:45 | < afny> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=3069p30\ |
| 03:45 | < afny> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=3069p30 |
| 03:45 | < afny> | er. |
| 03:45 | < randolph> | nice |
| 03:46 | < afny> | Okay, so I've got a tin for... |
| 03:46 | < randolph> | That's a really nice 60's future |
| 03:46 | < randolph> | aesthetic |
| 03:46 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | I need some decorated tiles |
| 03:46 | < afny> | hm... |
| 03:46 | < afny> | I dont have enough tins |
| 03:46 | < afny> | I MUST DRINK MORE TEA. |
| 03:47 | < randolph> | I kinda want to get a bunch of used tiles in different colors, then damage them with a soldering iron for "battle damage" |
| 03:48 | < afny> | if you start weathering, you won't be able to stop |
| 03:48 | < randolph> | ; ; |
| 03:48 | < afny> | ask any gundam kit creator ever |
| 03:53 | < Soren> | it's true. |
| 03:59 | < afny> | Aw yis, 1 sand blue slope |
| 03:59 | < afny> | ace desert chub incomng |
| 04:00 | < randolph> | Not gonna lie, I did eye the Brandenburg Gate set when I was at the LEGO store |
| 04:01 | < MittenNinja> | its less than 10 cents a piece and has something like 75 sand green cheese slopes |
| 04:01 | < randolph> | If they ever frickin' have tan or sand anything in the PAB wall, I'm going to clean out that wall |
| 04:01 | < randolph> | MN: Totally, it's just... those aren't WT colors hehe |
| 04:02 | < randolph> | And PAB, I went well below 0.05/pc |
| 04:02 | < randolph> | (using the wall) |
| 04:08 | <~Noah> | Hmm, green cheese |
| 04:17 | < randolph> | Lunacy. |
| 04:18 | < Soren> | delightful lunacy, though. |
| 04:21 | < afny> | if you convince me that a cheese is irish enough |
| 04:21 | < afny> | I'll eat it even if its green. |
| 04:21 | < Soren> | heh |
| 04:21 | < Soren> | blue cheese, too |
| 04:21 | < Soren> | numnumnum |
| 04:31 | < afny> | damn, this order was so close to perfect |
| 04:31 | < afny> | 1 extra clip, 1 less lampholder. This one isn't worth mailing them about though. |
| 04:34 | | joemomma [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-6b38bc45.albq.qwest.net] has joined #mf0 |
| 04:35 | < joemomma> | Hello |
| 04:35 | < afny> | o/ |
| 04:35 | | Dukayn[AFK] is now known as Dukayn |
| 04:35 | < Dukayn> | howdy |
| 04:35 | < joemomma> | so I assume BrickLink members have been coming in here? |
| 04:36 | < afny> | ? |
| 04:36 | < afny> | most of us are bricklink members if that's what you mean |
| 04:36 | < joemomma> | yes |
| 04:37 | < joemomma> | so when did this hacking event happen? |
| 04:38 | < Soren> | yesterday or the day before, IIRC. |
| 04:38 | < Dukayn> | yeah couple days ago |
| 04:38 | < aiac> | hey joe |
| 04:38 | < joemomma> | hello aiac |
| 04:38 | | KarolineDianne [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-35371e3c.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Page closed] |
| 04:41 | < randolph> | Is it "staticy?" "staticky?" |
| 04:41 | < randolph> | (adjective form of static) |
| 04:42 | < MittenNinja> | Hey joe. Hows it goin> |
| 04:42 | < aiac> | I think both work. |
| 04:42 | < joemomma> | It is there was trying to invoice some orders but cannot |
| 04:43 | < joemomma> | seems like someone has a big grudge against BrickLink |
| 04:43 | < Dukayn> | yeah, I can't change my order status to Paid either |
| 04:43 | < MittenNinja> | aparently |
| 04:43 | < randolph> | Who would have a hate-on for Bricklink? |
| 04:43 | < Dukayn> | randolph: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/staticky |
| 04:43 | < MittenNinja> | Chrons :p |
| 04:43 | < Dukayn> | lol |
| 04:43 | < randolph> | Awesome, thanks Duk |
| 04:43 | < Dukayn> | that's the going theory |
| 04:43 | < randolph> | Yeah, but isn't that a bit... I dunno... second-order? |
| 04:44 | < randolph> | MFZ != bricklink |
| 04:44 | < MittenNinja> | well, have you seen how he does things? |
| 04:44 | < MittenNinja> | he doesnt make the most sense |
| 04:44 | < Dukayn> | Yeah but what would make our lives a living hell, lego-wise? |
| 04:44 | < randolph> | Suppressing the electric charge? |
| 04:44 | < randolph> | Outlawing chocolate? |
| 04:44 | < randolph> | Oh, wait, LEGO-wise <_< |
| 04:44 | < randolph> | I think we're giving him too much credit. |
| 04:44 | < Dukayn> | there goes that reading thing again ;) |
| 04:44 | < Dukayn> | Oh, no doubt |
| 04:45 | < randolph> | As much fun as it is to make jokes like "Inchrontinence" |
| 04:45 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
| 04:45 | < Dukayn> | but who else do we know who is involved in Lego and has a major grudge against a rather enthusiastic community in that medium right now? |
| 04:45 | < Dukayn> | OOH I LIKE THAT |
| 04:45 | < randolph> | Omg LEGO profiling |
| 04:45 | < Dukayn> | I also suggested he "smokes the Chronic" |
| 04:46 | < joemomma> | lol yeah I am sure the FBI is profiling people against small plastic pieces |
| 04:46 | <~Noah> | So what's the deal with thic Chron |
| 04:46 | <~Noah> | this* |
| 04:46 | < Dukayn> | WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE SMALL PLASTIC PIECES? |
| 04:46 | <~Noah> | And hello joemomma |
| 04:46 | < joemomma> | Hello Noah |
| 04:46 | < aiac> | you down with SPP? yeah, you know me |
| 04:47 | < Dukayn> | lol |
| 04:47 | < randolph> | I think it should be LDD |
| 04:47 | < Dukayn> | nothing should be LDD |
| 04:47 | < randolph> | "Down with LDD, Yeah, you CTD!" (crash to desktop) |
| 04:47 | < aiac> | lol |
| 04:47 | < Dukayn> | bahahahaha |
| 04:47 | <~Noah> | Let's just call them crack, that's what the crackheads call their crack, and the FBI doesn't bother them |
| 04:48 | < Dukayn> | Basically, Chron posted an LDraw or something he made of Mittens' Iguana. Wordman linked it, or made a PDF instruction sheet or some such and he blew up about not seeking permission to reproduce his work, blah blah blah. |
| 04:48 | < randolph> | No no |
| 04:48 | < Dukayn> | That wasn't it? |
| 04:48 | < randolph> | Wordman rehosted it, because Chrons was using the WORST FUCKING HOST EVER |
| 04:48 | < Dukayn> | Oh no that's right Wordman called his hosting thingy shit and hosted it. |
| 04:48 | < Dukayn> | Right |
| 04:49 | < randolph> | And Chrons misread wordman as calling Chrons shit |
| 04:49 | <~Noah> | I would also say we refer to our MOCs by weight, but I think Soren has something that weighs 20 lbs, and I think the FBI WOULD be interested then |
| 04:49 | < randolph> | So he blew a gasket |
| 04:49 | < Dukayn> | Yeah |
| 04:49 | < randolph> | Went nuclear |
| 04:49 | < MittenNinja> | yeah |
| 04:49 | < randolph> | So Ced banned him for a day |
| 04:49 | < Dukayn> | But Wordman took it down and it all settled |
| 04:49 | < MittenNinja> | it was pretty ridiculous |
| 04:49 | <~Noah> | So, Chron stole Mitten's work and yelled at someone else for it? |
| 04:49 | < randolph> | He didn't steal it |
| 04:49 | < MittenNinja> | he never claimed it was his |
| 04:49 | < randolph> | Mittens didn't say you couldn't LDD It |
| 04:49 | < Dukayn> | he just LDraw'd it. |
| 04:49 | < MittenNinja> | but yet he claimed it was stolen from him |
| 04:49 | < randolph> | ... yeah |
| 04:49 | <~Noah> | Oh, okay |
| 04:49 | < randolph> | that part was wtf |
| 04:49 | < Dukayn> | ya |
| 04:49 | < Dukayn> | he's nuts |
| 04:49 | < Dukayn> | anyway |
| 04:50 | < Dukayn> | it's all good, settled whatevs |
| 04:50 | <~Noah> | He just yelled at someone else for rehosting it? |
| 04:50 | < Dukayn> | then what, a month later? |
| 04:50 | < MittenNinja> | pretty much |
| 04:50 | < Dukayn> | I post a wallpaper of Mittens' Iguana. |
| 04:50 | < randolph> | No |
| 04:50 | < Dukayn> | From an LDraw which I had made. |
| 04:50 | < MittenNinja> | at my request i might add |
| 04:50 | < randolph> | He yelled at Wordman for calling his hosting service shit |
| 04:50 | < randolph> | Because he thought Wordman was calling CHRONS shit |
| 04:50 | < randolph> | If only we knew |
| 04:50 | < Dukayn> | heh |
| 04:50 | < Dukayn> | but yeah, then he comes in and accuses me of plagiarism |
| 04:51 | < Dukayn> | because y'know, yeah. |
| 04:51 | < randolph> | Except someone posts a diff of the file. |
| 04:51 | < randolph> | And it's COMPLETELY DIFFERENT |
| 04:51 | <~Noah> | This could've been resolved if everyone had a dropbox account *digs out referal link...* |
| 04:51 | < randolph> | No |
| 04:51 | < Dukayn> | Yeah Wordman pasted a snippet of code from both files |
| 04:51 | < Dukayn> | and they're completely different. |
| 04:51 | < randolph> | It's better that it happened sooner |
| 04:51 | < randolph> | He was the columbine kid waiting to go off |
| 04:51 | < Dukayn> | Yeah |
| 04:51 | < Dukayn> | And then he got banned for 48 hours to calm down |
| 04:51 | < Dukayn> | So he makes ANOTHER account |
| 04:52 | < randolph> | And made a fake account "LEGOqueer" or something |
| 04:52 | < Dukayn> | Yeah |
| 04:52 | <~Noah> | Did anyone offer him a hug? Maybe he needed a hug? |
| 04:52 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
| 04:52 | < Dukayn> | And goes apeshit again |
| 04:52 | < randolph> | He needed prozac |
| 04:52 | < Dukayn> | About "Secret Germans" and "Super Mod powers" |
| 04:52 | < Dukayn> | mind = blown at this stage |
| 04:52 | < randolph> | And then he posted NSFW images in general |
| 04:52 | <~Noah> | Prozac is good shit, until it states making you manic |
| 04:52 | < Dukayn> | Oh, that was even later. |
| 04:52 | < MittenNinja> | a prolapsed anus to be exact |
| 04:52 | < randolph> | So I contacted Ced to get them down before many people saw |
| 04:52 | < randolph> | I don't think Ced was awake :( |
| 04:52 | < Dukayn> | Once again he seemed to calm down |
| 04:53 | < Dukayn> | And then in the "I hate... " thread |
| 04:53 | < MittenNinja> | oh wait |
| 04:53 | < Dukayn> | he brings up being banned again |
| 04:53 | < MittenNinja> | yea |
| 04:53 | < MittenNinja> | that was the anus |
| 04:53 | < Dukayn> | and starts all this shit again |
| 04:53 | < Dukayn> | and posts a proalpsed anus pic to the forum |
| 04:53 | < Dukayn> | INSTABAN |
| 04:53 | < Dukayn> | bye bye thanks for the fish etc |
| 04:53 | <~Noah> | Then he hacked BrickLink? |
| 04:53 | < MittenNinja> | hahaha |
| 04:53 | < Dukayn> | it's the only logical conclusion |
| 04:53 | < MittenNinja> | thats our humerous theory |
| 04:53 | <~Noah> | hehe |
| 04:54 | < afny> | it's not really so much of a theory |
| 04:54 | < Dukayn> | from prolapsed anus jpg to hacking the largest Lego store on the internet |
| 04:54 | < Dukayn> | makes perfect sense |
| 04:54 | < afny> | as it is, when bricklink went down, we yelled |
| 04:54 | < afny> | CHROOOOONSS. |
| 04:54 | < MittenNinja> | true story |
| 04:54 | < MittenNinja> | you can check the longs if you dont believe |
| 04:54 | < MittenNinja> | *logs |
| 04:55 | < MittenNinja> | not longs |
| 04:55 | <~Noah> | Dukayn: Actually, I was thinking Mitten's iguana to inviting bricklinkers to our channel |
| 04:55 | <~Noah> | That's even MORE of a stretch |
| 04:55 | <~Noah> | So |
| 04:55 | < randolph> | To recap, that was the chron-ology |
| 04:55 | <~Noah> | WTG on making the Iguana's Mittens, you've attracted like 3 people here |
| 04:55 | < Dukayn> | That sentence didn't make much sense to me, but I'm going to agree because you're cool have a bot that says things like |
| 04:56 | < Dukayn> | !shaded |
| 04:56 | < Dukayn> | !shades |
| 04:56 | < Dukayn> | this |
| 04:56 | < mf0bot> | Dukayn: didn't recognise shaded |
| 04:56 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 04:56 | < MittenNinja> | anytime Noah |
| 04:56 | <~Noah> | Still torrenting, haha |
| 04:56 | < Dukayn> | heh |
| 04:56 | < randolph> | Now we all have to live with the chronsequences? |
| 04:57 | | * MittenNinja shakes his head at randolph |
| 04:57 | <~Noah> | This puns are just chrong. |
| 04:57 | < Dukayn> | LOL randy |
| 04:57 | < Dukayn> | that's gold |
| 04:57 | < Dukayn> | Oh man, this is like the Chang puns from Community |
| 04:58 | | joemomma [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-6b38bc45.albq.qwest.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: Page closed] |
| 04:58 | < randolph> | heh we scared one off~ |
| 04:58 | < MittenNinja> | awww joes gone |
| 04:58 | < MittenNinja> | sorry |
| 04:58 | < MittenNinja> | i mean joes chron |
| 04:58 | <~Noah> | Haha |
| 04:58 | < randolph> | hehe |
| 04:58 | < Dukayn> | LOL |
| 04:58 | <~Noah> | oh u |
| 04:58 | < aiac> | lol |
| 04:58 | < afny> | Was that guy even from the hangar? I got the feeling he was just some random bricklinker |
| 04:58 | < MittenNinja> | probably |
| 04:58 | < Dukayn> | Yeah think so |
| 04:58 | <~Noah> | Probably |
| 04:59 | < aiac> | he was a semi-regular BL chater |
| 04:59 | <~Noah> | aiac: I told everyone to be on their best behavior for the new bricklinkers, so you can imagine what their WORST behavior is |
| 04:59 | <~Noah> | In fact, you don't have to imagine, we have logs! |
| 04:59 | < randolph> | <_< |
| 04:59 | < Dukayn> | hahahaha |
| 04:59 | < aiac> | lol |
| 04:59 | < randolph> | I'm new here |
| 05:00 | < Dukayn> | oh man, so glad that Ced, Soren and KD aren't in the room together right now then :P |
| 05:00 | < Dukayn> | cos, wow |
| 05:00 | <~Noah> | That's true, Wang is new here |
| 05:00 | | wilykat [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-643358d9.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #mf0 |
| 05:00 | <~Noah> | Also, formal welcome to Wang, yadaya |
| 05:00 | < MittenNinja> | hahaha |
| 05:00 | < randolph> | heh |
| 05:00 | < aiac> | I think the distiction should probably be, mf0 and nonmf0 bricklink members |
| 05:00 | <~Noah> | Hello wilykat |
| 05:00 | < randolph> | o/ |
| 05:01 | < afny> | God, I sorted all this stuff once when I vetted the order, why didn't I LEAVE it sorted |
| 05:01 | < randolph> | @Noah, I figured this nick was better, because it's the forum handle |
| 05:01 | < Soren> | I'm trying to die from laughter over here. |
| 05:01 | <~Noah> | aiac: If there's enough intrest in it, I may setup a different channel |
| 05:01 | < randolph> | Fewer people know me from Flickr, I think |
| 05:01 | < Soren> | apparently. |
| 05:01 | < aiac> | Noah: That might not be a bad idea |
| 05:01 | <~Noah> | randolph: Everyone knows WangTech though! |
| 05:01 | < MittenNinja> | Soren: you're not trying hard enough |
| 05:01 | < afny> | I feel like I missed something |
| 05:01 | < afny> | is this just a general lego channel now |
| 05:01 | < afny> | was there a sea change |
| 05:02 | < randolph> | We amended the chronstitution |
| 05:02 | < Dukayn> | lol |
| 05:02 | < Dukayn> | in fact, LIRL |
| 05:02 | < Dukayn> | (LOL In Real Life) |
| 05:02 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
| 05:02 | < Dukayn> | One day |
| 05:02 | <~Noah> | afny: Nah, I just invited bricklinkers since their chat is down for what looks to be permanently, and I figured if enough of them joined, or if Rolf came and yelled at me, I'd make a separate channel |
| 05:02 | < Dukayn> | I'm going to make a dual-flame thrower frame |
| 05:02 | < MittenNinja> | have you guys ever heard of a lolcano? |
| 05:02 | < Dukayn> | and call it the Chron |
| 05:03 | < afny> | Oh, their chat is down |
| 05:03 | < afny> | I SEE I SEE |
| 05:03 | < Dukayn> | it's sole purpose is to start flame wars |
| 05:03 | < MittenNinja> | DOOOO IT |
| 05:03 | <~Noah> | Dukayn: Dual-wield tri-barrel flamethrowers |
| 05:03 | < Dukayn> | It has a self-cloning device |
| 05:03 | <~Noah> | DO IT DO IT NAO |
| 05:03 | < Dukayn> | so that when it's destroyed, another one pops up in it's place |
| 05:04 | < Dukayn> | for pure poetry it should be an Iguana :P |
| 05:04 | < MittenNinja> | ^ truth |
| 05:04 | < randolph> | hahaha |
| 05:04 | < randolph> | Get one of those LEGO castle troll heads and replace the head with it |
| 05:04 | <~Noah> | Hehe |
| 05:04 | < MittenNinja> | hahaha |
| 05:05 | < Dukayn> | That's the scary thing |
| 05:05 | < Dukayn> | HE WASN'T TROLLING |
| 05:05 | < Dukayn> | and if he was, then WOW BEST TROLL EVAR |
| 05:05 | < Dukayn> | I once theorised it was a Soren troll account |
| 05:05 | < Dukayn> | And he was having giggle fits |
| 05:06 | < MittenNinja> | i could see that |
| 05:06 | <~Noah> | Nah, good trolls avoid bans for as long as possible sow as much anger as they can, then strike, clogging up the forumtubes |
| 05:06 | <~Noah> | Nah, we agreed Soren would just troll on his own account |
| 05:06 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
| 05:06 | < MittenNinja> | probably true |
| 05:06 | < Dukayn> | yeah true |
| 05:06 | < randolph> | What're we gonna do, ban him? :p |
| 05:07 | < MittenNinja> | shhhh dont tell him |
| 05:07 | < Dukayn> | well. we technically can. |
| 05:07 | < randolph> | Sure, but he posts like, once every month |
| 05:07 | <~Noah> | Maybe give him a stern talking to |
| 05:07 | < Soren> | hahahaha |
| 05:07 | < MittenNinja> | shit he heard us |
| 05:07 | < Dukayn> | RUN! |
| 05:08 | <~Noah> | hey, so is the brown on the new Minecraft lego bricks is different shade of brown to what is available? |
| 05:08 | < Soren> | None of the people I'm trying to troll are in this room. |
| 05:08 | < MittenNinja> | no idea |
| 05:08 | < Soren> | FYI. |
| 05:08 | < Soren> | You guys don't take yourselves seriously enough. |
| 05:08 | <~Noah> | I'm untrollable, in the get angry sense |
| 05:08 | < Dukayn> | Well that also rules out J and V then :P |
| 05:08 | < Soren> | Yeah, exactly. |
| 05:09 | < Dukayn> | I watched that Kickstarter video again yesterday |
| 05:09 | < Soren> | J hasn't talked to me in a while, He's too busy to fuck with people. |
| 05:09 | < Dukayn> | How come you're not mentioned? |
| 05:09 | < Soren> | I couldn't be there, basically. |
| 05:09 | < randolph> | I take my post-modern self-aware corporate satire VERY SERIOUSLY, I tell you. It's a SERIOUS BUSINESS. |
| 05:09 | <~Noah> | They don't actually like Soren |
| 05:09 | < Dukayn> | Nawwww |
| 05:09 | < Dukayn> | randolph: you did it wrong |
| 05:09 | < Dukayn> | it's SRS BSNS |
| 05:09 | <~Noah> | randolph: Is it written in perl? |
| 05:09 | < randolph> | JavaScript |
| 05:10 | < Soren> | Honestly, Joshua is emotionally fragile as a sackful of skinned testicles. I want to troll him pretty much all I have to do is talk to him for an hour or two. |
| 05:10 | < Soren> | (exaggeration) |
| 05:10 | < randolph> | Hm. |
| 05:10 | < Dukayn> | oh dear |
| 05:10 | < Dukayn> | I love how expressive his face is |
| 05:10 | < afny> | He does sort of look like he's always about to cry |
| 05:10 | < randolph> | I wasn't sure if he got testy with me the one time I asked about "being too big for melee" because he measured HtH from head to head |
| 05:10 | < Dukayn> | in that video I don't think there's a single muscle on his face that doesn't move as he says "Mobile Frame Zero: Rapid Attack" |
| 05:10 | < Soren> | He's a great guy, he's just not as worldly as he thinks he is. |
| 05:10 | < Soren> | I love the inside of his brain. |
| 05:10 | < randolph> | I couldn't honestly tell. |
| 05:11 | < randolph> | I was relieved when V chimed in |
| 05:11 | < Soren> | He's the best creative collaborator ever. |
| 05:11 | < Soren> | But we have the world's most ridiculously fighty process ever. |
| 05:11 | <~Noah> | Soren: is it soggy and full of grease? |
| 05:12 | < Soren> | Alas, it's not that exciting. |
| 05:13 | < MittenNinja> | lol wtf |
| 05:13 | < MittenNinja> | SO the only BL vendor in the US that has more than 8 1x1 sand green tiles was a min buy of 100 |
| 05:13 | < MittenNinja> | and they're 70 cents each |
| 05:13 | < MittenNinja> | "spend $70 on sand green tiles or get lost" |
| 05:13 | < randolph> | Dear Soren, You are so entertainingly profane, <3 Randolph |
| 05:14 | <~Noah> | MittenNinja: how bad do you want those sand green tiles then? |
| 05:14 | < MittenNinja> | not that bad |
| 05:14 | <~Noah> | brb |
| 05:14 | < MittenNinja> | I'm getting a ton of 1x2's from Ceddo |
| 05:14 | < MittenNinja> | but i still need 1x1s |
| 05:15 | < randolph> | Hm |
| 05:15 | < randolph> | It appears it's because they only appear in three sets |
| 05:15 | < randolph> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=3070b&in=S&colorID=48&ov=Y |
| 05:15 | < MittenNinja> | yeah |
| 05:15 | < randolph> | But, I mean, look at those sets |
| 05:16 | < randolph> | 4 in 430 is the HIGHEST ratio |
| 05:16 | < MittenNinja> | pretty much |
| 05:16 | < MittenNinja> | sand green headlights are worse |
| 05:17 | <~Noah> | Can you order that color from lego PAB? |
| 05:17 | < MittenNinja> | 3 in 1075 |
| 05:17 | < MittenNinja> | no sir |
| 05:17 | <~Noah> | Can you get the regular green and rub them in sand? |
| 05:17 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
| 05:17 | < randolph> | Answer: Always use cheese slopes |
| 05:17 | < MittenNinja> | i wish it was that easy |
| 05:17 | < MittenNinja> | cheese slopes dont work for chub arms/shoulders |
| 05:18 | < randolph> | two-tone works just fine, though |
| 05:18 | < randolph> | Sand green/tan is a pretty good camo |
| 05:18 | <~Noah> | Stop calling them cheese slopes, it makes me hungry! |
| 05:18 | < MittenNinja> | yeah but sand green headlights on the shoulders would look so good |
| 05:18 | < randolph> | Fine fine |
| 05:18 | < randolph> | Cheese WEDGE |
| 05:18 | <~Noah> | GGGAHHA!!1 |
| 05:18 | <~Noah> | afk cheese |
| 05:18 | < MittenNinja> | hahaha |
| 05:18 | < Dukayn> | MittenNinja: http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?pg=1&colorID=48&sellerCountryID=AU&itemID=90 81&sellerLoc=C&viewFrom=sf&sz=500&searchSort=P |
| 05:19 | < Dukayn> | 33 at 60c in Aus |
| 05:19 | < MittenNinja> | hrmmm |
| 05:19 | < randolph> | Also "some scratches" means it comes pre-weathered! |
| 05:19 | < randolph> | But I still dislike paying more than like 0.20 for anything, esp somethign that small |
| 05:19 | < MittenNinja> | yeah |
| 05:19 | < MittenNinja> | thats still $20 for 33 pieces |
| 05:20 | < Dukayn> | haha yeah |
| 05:20 | < Dukayn> | crazay |
| 05:20 | < MittenNinja> | why did i have to pick such a friggin expensive color? |
| 05:20 | < Dukayn> | cos it's SEXEY |
| 05:20 | < Dukayn> | I'm really only running with orange because I already have a ton of it :P |
| 05:21 | <~Noah> | So is pink |
| 05:21 | < MittenNinja> | i couldve gone with red and had so many parts |
| 05:21 | < randolph> | But... you still can |
| 05:21 | < MittenNinja> | i bought so many mtron sets when i was younger |
| 05:21 | < Dukayn> | GODDAMN BRICKLINK LET ME CHANGE MY ORDER TO PAID ALREADY |
| 05:21 | < randolph> | It's not like it's set in stone |
| 05:21 | < Dukayn> | it's set in ABS, actually :P |
| 05:21 | < MittenNinja> | oh you |
| 05:22 | < Dukayn> | I know |
| 05:22 | < MittenNinja> | I've already committed to sand green |
| 05:22 | <~Noah> | Dukayn: Imagine how the BrickLink vendors feel |
| 05:22 | < MittenNinja> | im not backing out of it |
| 05:22 | < Dukayn> | Oh I'm sure they're just as annoyed |
| 05:22 | < randolph> | ok, but you could use the other color of your build for it |
| 05:22 | < Dukayn> | Doesn't make me LESS annoyed though :P |
| 05:22 | <~Noah> | MittenNinja: Sounds like you need $70 in sandgreen slopes. |
| 05:22 | < randolph> | Even if it looks great... I'm not paying 2 bucks for a headlight :| |
| 05:22 | < Dukayn> | 2 BUCKS? |
| 05:22 | < Dukayn> | for ONE HEADLIGHT |
| 05:22 | < randolph> | http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?itemID=776&colorID=48 |
| 05:22 | < MittenNinja> | yep |
| 05:23 | < randolph> | It's because they're out of print |
| 05:23 | < MittenNinja> | and they only came in the yoda model |
| 05:23 | < randolph> | They haven't EVER made a 4070a in sand green |
| 05:23 | < MittenNinja> | and there were only 3 in 100 some pieces |
| 05:23 | < randolph> | Just the old-style slotless ones |
| 05:23 | < MittenNinja> | *1000 |
| 05:23 | < randolph> | Got a pic of where they go, MN? |
| 05:23 | < MittenNinja> | where what go? |
| 05:23 | < Dukayn> | what's the slot for? |
| 05:24 | < randolph> | MN: The sand green headlights on your build |
| 05:24 | < MittenNinja> | http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/153/b/2/st_07slc_fat_snake_by_mittenninja -d5211uv.jpg |
| 05:24 | < MittenNinja> | on the shoulders |
| 05:24 | < randolph> | Duk: Structural concerns for the mold/punch I think |
| 05:24 | < MittenNinja> | and i want to ditch some of those wedges for tiles |
| 05:24 | < Dukayn> | Ah ok |
| 05:24 | < randolph> | Hm, my personal thoughts |
| 05:25 | < randolph> | dark bley tertiary color could be awesome |
| 05:25 | < MittenNinja> | im going to throw some of that in too |
| 05:25 | < MittenNinja> | like the round 1x1s in the arms and legs n such |
| 05:25 | < Dukayn> | That's my goto tertiary colour |
| 05:25 | <~Noah> | I think Duck is just trying to make the most expensive frame he can |
| 05:25 | < randolph> | Re: shoulders specifically though, you could use a brighter color, make that a rank insignia |
| 05:25 | < Dukayn> | me? |
| 05:25 | < Dukayn> | Whut? |
| 05:25 | < MittenNinja> | you mean me? |
| 05:26 | < Dukayn> | Yeah he's the one with expensive tastes :P |
| 05:26 | <~Noah> | Oh, yea |
| 05:26 | < MittenNinja> | yeah i know there are other options |
| 05:26 | < MittenNinja> | but I still think the sand green there would look most badass |
| 05:26 | <~Noah> | Got confused, busy eatting cheese and lamenting the fact that I forgot to bring soda with me |
| 05:26 | < MittenNinja> | hence its what i want |
| 05:26 | < Dukayn> | Course it would |
| 05:26 | < randolph> | I want to take your fat snake, give it two eyes, convert one of the eyes into a black eyepatch, add light bley under the chin. |
| 05:27 | < MittenNinja> | BLUEBEARD |
| 05:27 | < Dukayn> | :o |
| 05:27 | < randolph> | Well, "Old Snake" actually |
| 05:27 | < randolph> | hehe |
| 05:27 | < MittenNinja> | haha |
| 05:27 | < Dukayn> | pirate frame! |
| 05:27 | < MittenNinja> | duke, take notes |
| 05:27 | < MittenNinja> | oh btw |
| 05:27 | < MittenNinja> | i have some old pirate set flags |
| 05:28 | < MittenNinja> | you want em? |
| 05:28 | <~Noah> | And call it Plastic Snake |
| 05:28 | < Dukayn> | hahahaha sure |
| 05:28 | < Dukayn> | that'd be awesome |
| 05:28 | < randolph> | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=166 |
| 05:28 | < MittenNinja> | i have a cannon too |
| 05:28 | < Dukayn> | LOL |
| 05:28 | < Dukayn> | Did you see those pirate frames on Facebook? |
| 05:28 | < MittenNinja> | hahaha |
| 05:28 | < Soren> | That was gorgeous timing |
| 05:28 | < Soren> | Really choice. |
| 05:29 | < MittenNinja> | i dont think i did |
| 05:29 | < MittenNinja> | hahaha it was |
| 05:29 | < Dukayn> | go have a look, they're really well done |
| 05:29 | < Dukayn> | tricorns, peg legs, cannons the log |
| 05:29 | < Dukayn> | lot* |
| 05:29 | < MittenNinja> | Nice! |
| 05:29 | < MittenNinja> | those are sweet |
| 05:34 | < MittenNinja> | hey guys |
| 05:34 | < MittenNinja> | i just figured out how to get naga wheels on an iguana |
| 05:35 | < randolph> | MittenNinja presents: Pimp my Frame |
| 05:36 | <~Noah> | Naga stole my wheels yo |
| 05:36 | < randolph> | MN: Pix? |
| 05:36 | < randolph> | As a joke, I was going to have WangTech produce a Frame Pimping kit awhile back |
| 05:37 | < MittenNinja> | pix on the way |
| 05:37 | < randolph> | It would include a 1x2 gold chrome tile, a red spoiler, some large tires, and a VTEC decal |
| 05:37 | < randolph> | I never got around to it :p |
| 05:37 | < randolph> | Ooh, spinners. |
| 05:37 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
| 05:38 | < MittenNinja> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/ds03uk6pimvgm9w/DSC_0598.JPG |
| 05:39 | < MittenNinja> | and thusly |
| 05:39 | < MittenNinja> | i now realize i need more black radar dishes |
| 05:39 | <~Noah> | thrustly* |
| 05:40 | | * MittenNinja sighs |
| 05:40 | <~Noah> | sand green radar dishes* |
| 05:40 | < MittenNinja> | those oo |
| 05:40 | < MittenNinja> | *too |
| 05:40 | <~Noah> | Haha |
| 05:40 | < randolph> | sweet |
| 05:40 | < randolph> | Did that require cutting? |
| 05:40 | < randolph> | I'm still leery of any cutting |
| 05:40 | < MittenNinja> | yeah |
| 05:40 | <~Noah> | Cutting? |
| 05:40 | < MittenNinja> | it did |
| 05:40 | < MittenNinja> | the tire |
| 05:40 | <~Noah> | Oh |
| 05:41 | < randolph> | So, they had the smooth tires LAST time I went to LEGO wall, when everything else was shite. |
| 05:41 | < Dukayn> | h clip, travis under the wheel? |
| 05:41 | < randolph> | This time, wall was good, no tires |
| 05:41 | < MittenNinja> | exhibit A |
| 05:41 | < MittenNinja> | http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7234/7066441439_860642a2f0_z.jpg |
| 05:41 | <~Noah> | Yea, I don't like modifying lego like that. I'm not a purist, but I don't like damaging stuff |
| 05:41 | < Dukayn> | I haven't yet but I don't mind the idea |
| 05:41 | < Dukayn> | not for tyres |
| 05:41 | < Dukayn> | I'm never going to use them for anything else. |
| 05:42 | < MittenNinja> | yeah thats my mentality |
| 05:42 | < afny> | only thing I would cut is hose |
| 05:42 | <~Noah> | That's true |
| 05:42 | < randolph> | I can see that, certainly. I'm just weird about *functionally* damaging my things |
| 05:42 | <~Noah> | same |
| 05:42 | < randolph> | I'm totally ok with weathering, except I've been warned off because apparently it's habit-forming |
| 05:42 | < MittenNinja> | then dont build grand nagas |
| 05:42 | < afny> | it's SOO habit forming |
| 05:42 | < MittenNinja> | you have to kill two tires and two lamp holders |
| 05:42 | < afny> | you'll look at your weathered frame, and be all |
| 05:42 | < afny> | man, I didn't do a good job. |
| 05:42 | < afny> | so you'll do another. |
| 05:42 | < randolph> | hehehe |
| 05:43 | < randolph> | KILL IT SOME MORE |
| 05:43 | < afny> | and then you'll be like |
| 05:43 | < afny> | MAN, that looks GOOD. So realistic. |
| 05:43 | < randolph> | haah |
| 05:43 | < afny> | And then you'll look at all your other frames, and be like... |
| 05:43 | < afny> | ...but they don't go TOGETHER. |
| 05:43 | < randolph> | hee |
| 05:43 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
| 05:43 | < MittenNinja> | thats why i wont start |
| 05:43 | < randolph> | Ok, so a controlled experiment. |
| 05:43 | < afny> | Pretty soon you'll be gluing moss to baseboards and sanding down tiles |
| 05:43 | < randolph> | Like, build one "rustbucket" |
| 05:43 | < afny> | build it with bricks, man |
| 05:43 | < randolph> | yeah |
| 05:43 | < afny> | exposed armatures, old gray and brown |
| 05:43 | < randolph> | Then weather it <_< |
| 05:43 | < afny> | NEVER |
| 05:43 | < randolph> | hehehehe |
| 05:44 | < randolph> | I CAN STOP ANYTIME |
| 05:44 | < randolph> | I'M AN ADULT |
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| 05:45 | < randolph> | I'm definitely tempted to do some of those lamp holders though, MN |
| 05:45 | < randolph> | Because to me, that's less "destroying X" and more "creating a Y" |
| 05:45 | < MittenNinja> | yeah it creates a dual male end plate |
| 05:45 | < randolph> | It's almost exactly a TYCO double-stud |
| 05:45 | < randolph> | And all of mine melted in the fire |
| 05:46 | < MittenNinja> | sad |
| 05:46 | < MittenNinja> | FUCK |
| 05:46 | < MittenNinja> | those sand green radar dishes are pricy too |
| 05:46 | < randolph> | hehe |
| 05:46 | < MittenNinja> | and in small quantities |
| 05:46 | < randolph> | Time to learn how to paint~ |
| 05:46 | < randolph> | (LEGO, I mean) |
| 05:46 | < MittenNinja> | one place has 36 |
| 05:46 | < MittenNinja> | but they're A DOLLAR EACH |
| 05:47 | < randolph> | Have you considered a 3D printer? |
| 05:47 | < MittenNinja> | can it print ABS plastic? |
| 05:47 | < randolph> | Yes |
| 05:47 | < MittenNinja> | then my only concern is where do I get sand green colored plastic |
| 05:47 | < afny> | I've seen some crazy shit done with a 3d printer |
| 05:47 | < randolph> | It's not "a printer that prints on 3D objects" |
| 05:48 | < randolph> | It's "this thing is a star trek replicator, for plastics" |
| 05:48 | < Dukayn> | mate of mine printed a TARDIS |
| 05:48 | < randolph> | It prints out sheets of something, and layers them |
| 05:48 | < Soren> | I'm tempted, once the tech is more refined, to print some dirty cheater parts. |
| 05:48 | < randolph> | I think the tech is there now, just at the wrong pricepoint for most people |
| 05:48 | < MittenNinja> | sadly its still probably cheaper to buy said expensive parts |
| 05:48 | < randolph> | I'm just saying, at $1/pop, it won't be long. |
| 05:49 | < randolph> | The low end ones are under $500 |
| 05:49 | < Soren> | yeah |
| 05:49 | < Soren> | Well, the precision on Lego manufacturing is submillimeter. |
| 05:49 | < MittenNinja> | see i can get black ones for 2 cents |
| 05:49 | < Soren> | That's why people have opinions on clone blocks, etc. |
| 05:49 | < Soren> | nobody else does that. |
| 05:49 | < randolph> | Yeah. *actual* painting is probably better |
| 05:50 | < randolph> | Soren: Totally. I don't get why nobody is stepping up to the quality plate, esp Hasbro |
| 05:50 | < randolph> | I mean, I do. |
| 05:50 | < randolph> | But it pains me. |
| 05:50 | < randolph> | (There's no market) |
| 05:50 | < Soren> | its incredibly pricey and LEgo will always beat them with experience, I bet. |
| 05:50 | < randolph> | Well, you can buy experience |
| 05:50 | < Dukayn> | Also, specialisation as opposed to generalisation. |
| 05:50 | < Dukayn> | Hasbro doesn't JUST make little block things. |
| 05:50 | < Dukayn> | LEGO does. |
| 05:50 | < randolph> | If they wanted to, they could throw money to get 95% there |
| 05:51 | < randolph> | but there's not enough market to recoup |
| 05:51 | < Soren> | yeah |
| 05:51 | < Dukayn> | And they blew all their budget on Michael Bay :/ |
| 05:51 | < Soren> | well, Lego has that shit sewn up by virtue of having been first. |
| 05:51 | < Soren> | That's what it comes down to. |
| 05:51 | < Soren> | way too risky to try to crack that market. |
| 05:51 | < randolph> | Yeah. They've got brand recognition |
| 05:51 | < randolph> | You can only get a piece of the pie with price and variety |
| 05:52 | < randolph> | And you can't do all that AND match quality AND economy of scale and profit |
| 05:52 | < randolph> | Not without putting your RoI way too long that Hasbro would ax the division |
| 05:52 | < Soren> | yeah |
| 05:53 | < randolph> | So really, gents, one of us has to become a bajillionaire and Tony Stark it up. |
| 05:53 | < randolph> | Get crackin'~ |
| 05:53 | < Dukayn> | Dude if I had the money I'd totally make an Iron Man suit out of Lego :P |
| 05:53 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
| 05:53 | < randolph> | Not what I meant ; ; |
| 05:53 | < Dukayn> | OK, someone has to have done that already. TO GOOGLE! |
| 05:53 | < randolph> | As my friend Eli would say, "Analogies are like a thing that is bad." |
| 05:54 | < Dukayn> | not a full size suit, but wow: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=2864105 |
| 05:54 | < MittenNinja> | http://www.urbasm.com/2011/04/iron-man-vs-lego-man/ |
| 05:54 | < MittenNinja> | not completely lego |
| 05:54 | < MittenNinja> | but a full size collapsable suit |
| 05:57 | < Dukayn> | I love that Tony's suits keep getting all beat up in every movie |
| 05:57 | < Dukayn> | And I always chuckle every time one of his thrusters flames out :P |
| 06:09 | < MittenNinja> | alrighty |
| 06:10 | < MittenNinja> | im thinking its bed time |
| 06:10 | < randolph> | nn MN |
| 06:10 | < Dukayn> | Night mate |
| 06:10 | < MittenNinja> | night guys |
| 06:10 | < aiac> | later |
| 06:10 | < Soren> | sleep well! |
| 06:10 | < MittenNinja> | thanks! |
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| 06:33 | < randolph> | Ced? Oh, asleep. |
| 06:33 | <~Noah> | Yea, I think I'm going to sleep too now |
| 06:33 | < randolph> | nn |
| 06:38 | < Dukayn> | I'm going to go play some BF3 methinks |
| 06:38 | | Dukayn is now known as Dukayn[BF3] |
| 06:38 | < Soren> | Yeah, Ced crashed a while ago |
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| 07:19 | < randolph> | o/ |
| 07:20 | < Soren> | hey joe |
| 07:20 | < Soren> | ....where you goin' with that gun in your hand? |
| 07:20 | < CalaveraJoe> | Guh... the shenanigans on BL are /killing/ me |
| 07:20 | < Soren> | me too. I got two orders today and I have no way to tell the sellers I got them. |
| 07:20 | < randolph> | Oh this? "o/" It's from EVE online... it's a guy waving hi |
| 07:20 | < randolph> | Either that or Heil |
| 07:20 | < CalaveraJoe> | I've got several still just hanging in limbo |
| 07:21 | < Soren> | https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=hey+joe+lyrics&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls= org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb |
| 07:21 | < CalaveraJoe> | Thankfully 2 of the folks are on the ball and still got my stuff shipped out for me |
| 07:21 | < CalaveraJoe> | but theres a few who are all "BL is all outta whack, waa, waa" even though the order's like.. a week old now |
| 07:21 | < afny> | Yeah, I got everything JUST as this stuff started going down, super lucky |
| 07:22 | < CalaveraJoe> | *nod* I got my last orders in before the shit hit |
| 07:22 | < CalaveraJoe> | in and paid for, no less |
| 07:22 | < CalaveraJoe> | So its literally just a matter of people putting bricks in the mail |
| 07:22 | < Soren> | yeah, all my stuff is paid for. |
| 07:22 | < CalaveraJoe> | Also, I NEEEEED to get something to organize all these bricks |
| 07:23 | < afny> | I've sorted just my bricklink stuff, and now I'm just looking at everything else, dreading it |
| 07:23 | < CalaveraJoe> | Cause this box full of ziplock baggies, while functional, makes me feel like a hobo digging through his cart when I'm trying to pull parts for a frame |
| 07:23 | < CalaveraJoe> | I sorted all my stuff before ordering from BL so I new what I still needed |
| 07:23 | < afny> | at least you have ziplock baggies! |
| 07:24 | < Soren> | http://www.akro-mils.com/ I got you. |
| 07:24 | < Soren> | these guys make the best stuff for Lego. |
| 07:24 | < CalaveraJoe> | I've actually been pondering some Flambeau stuff since it can be found on the cheap |
| 07:24 | < CalaveraJoe> | but yeah, the Akro Mils stuff is nice too |
| 07:24 | < Soren> | I've actually got a bunch of those. |
| 07:24 | < Soren> | They break. |
| 07:25 | < CalaveraJoe> | I've used flambeau for years to sort out bits for my board games and, knock on wood, I've never had one go out on me |
| 07:25 | < Soren> | http://www.akro-mils.com/Products/Home-Office/Craft-Hobby/Craft-Cases-Centers.as px well, here's the stuff I've been switching to. |
| 07:26 | < CalaveraJoe> | I worry about the draw things, I have horrible visions of them tipping and sending bricks all over the place |
| 07:26 | < CalaveraJoe> | err drawer |
| 07:26 | < Soren> | yeah - well, you kinda have to pick the stuff that fits your supply of parts. |
| 07:27 | < Soren> | I'm just throwing out some potential options. |
| 07:27 | < CalaveraJoe> | *nod* |
| 07:28 | < CalaveraJoe> | The draws are mightily appealing, for sure, we used to use them at my last job for small parts (firearms importer / wholesaler) |
| 07:28 | < CalaveraJoe> | We just had a part # and image on the front of the drawer and it made it MAD fast to fill part orders |
| 07:28 | < CalaveraJoe> | But we made the mistake of shipping one to a competition ones and, well... it wasn't pretty, hehe |
| 07:29 | < Soren> | yeah, I've got build time down to... I think the longest in the last little bit has been three hours, on pretty substantial stuff. |
| 07:29 | < CalaveraJoe> | We went with the cases after that |
| 07:29 | < Soren> | frames take fifteen minutes. |
| 07:29 | < CalaveraJoe> | *nod* My Salamander only took me about 30 minutes, and easily 10 of that was pulling the parts |
| 07:32 | < CalaveraJoe> | I'm actually considering one of these for actual trips to game: http://www.flambeauoutdoors.com/fishing/default.asp?p=Details&c=FRESH+AND+SALT+W ATER&s=FRONTLOADERS&i=T5 |
| 07:34 | < Soren> | oooh. That is nice. |
| 07:34 | < CalaveraJoe> | And it comes with a buncha cases |
| 07:34 | < Soren> | maybe fill a big section with 1x4 and 1x2 bricks for cover, too, and you're SET |
| 07:34 | < CalaveraJoe> | The "pro" version comes with one more case, the but two bigger ones it comes with, are smaller than the ones with the non pro |
| 07:35 | < CalaveraJoe> | Yeah |
| 07:35 | < afny> | my travel solution is just a cheap tacklebox thing |
| 07:36 | < afny> | it's not a fishing tacklebox exactly, I'm not sure what it's original purpose is |
| 07:36 | < afny> | but it's got a few small compartments on top that I use for guns/spare systems |
| 07:36 | < afny> | then an insert tray that's removable, perfect size for frames |
| 07:36 | < afny> | and then under the insert it's just open |
| 07:36 | < afny> | so bricks for cover and stations just get thrown in |
| 07:36 | < afny> | its* |
| 07:36 | < CalaveraJoe> | I need to start working on stations |
| 07:37 | < Soren> | Let me see if I can find the default station design I came up with. |
| 07:37 | < afny> | right now I just want to find some of those big tapered slopes for shields |
| 07:37 | < afny> | I know I have tons but I can't find ANY |
| 07:37 | < CalaveraJoe> | Wellllll, I need to build a minx to see how much I love it in brick form, so I've got my base trio of frames to customize out from, and THEN I need to work on stations (and possibly some terrain) |
| 07:37 | < CalaveraJoe> | I'd also like to work on fluff, buuuuut, I dunno, I've got some ideas for fluff, but I'm not sold on 'em yet |
| 07:39 | < Soren> | shoot. Let's see if we can't get you going. |
| 07:39 | < afny> | We're professional fluffers in here. |
| 07:39 | < afny> | We get everyone going. |
| 07:39 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/ce3hqh6y3vxykrr/Stations.JPG |
| 07:39 | < Soren> | Oh, you. |
| 07:40 | < CalaveraJoe> | Hey, those are nice and simple |
| 07:40 | < afny> | this is almost exactly like what Ced mocked up |
| 07:40 | < afny> | and I have so many of those jet engines and bases |
| 07:40 | < CalaveraJoe> | And I've got some engine bits from the pod racer set that'd do those up easy |
| 07:40 | < Soren> | exactly. |
| 07:40 | < Soren> | cheap easy stuff that nobody uses. |
| 07:40 | < CalaveraJoe> | AND I picked up a bunch of mini plates at the lego store the other day |
| 07:40 | < afny> | I actually used one of those things as a missile pod on an oversized frame |
| 07:40 | < afny> | I really hope I have enough pirate flags |
| 07:40 | < afny> | I do for a smaller game, but I don't know if I have 8 |
| 07:41 | < CalaveraJoe> | Note to self, dig flags out of "The Pile" |
| 07:42 | < afny> | I might have to settle for the blue wavy pennant |
| 07:43 | < afny> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyanosmoros/7207517350/in/set-72157629897328224/ |
| 07:43 | < afny> | this is the kind of frame cedric yells at me for |
| 07:43 | < CalaveraJoe> | lol, why? |
| 07:43 | < afny> | he yells at me for frames that couldn't withstand their own recoil...I yell at him for frames that have TINY cockpits |
| 07:43 | < afny> | but that's where I've used my only giant engine brick thing. |
| 07:44 | < Soren> | I watch you guys yelling each other and yell for more popcorn... |
| 07:44 | < Soren> | at* |
| 07:44 | < CalaveraJoe> | Psh, there's tech to build frames, they can have inertial dampers |
| 07:44 | < afny> | And then your wife yells at YOU |
| 07:44 | < afny> | and the circle is complete. |
| 07:44 | < Soren> | it's a vicious circle. Like dogs chewing on their own nuts. |
| 07:44 | < CalaveraJoe> | The railgun on my Salamander coupled with it's posture should knock it on it's ass every time it fires |
| 07:44 | < afny> | well railguns don't have any recoil |
| 07:44 | < CalaveraJoe> | its, not it's |
| 07:45 | < CalaveraJoe> | I call bunk |
| 07:45 | < Soren> | Af: tell the navy, they'll be thrilled. |
| 07:45 | < CalaveraJoe> | Something's gotta resist the force of the projectile |
| 07:45 | < CalaveraJoe> | err the force ON the projectile |
| 07:45 | < Soren> | rail- and coil-guns have recoil proportionate to - yeah I'm gonna let Joe take it. |
| 07:45 | < afny> | oh yeah okay, I'm just dumb |
| 07:46 | < afny> | what the fuck am I thinking of then |
| 07:46 | < Soren> | you could make a recoilless railgun, just like you can make a recoilless chemical-propellant cannon. |
| 07:46 | < CalaveraJoe> | Whatever force is applied to the projectile has to be countered, otherwise the gun would go one way, the projectile the other, both at half the overall intended whammo factor |
| 07:46 | < Soren> | it's just energy-inefficient. |
| 07:46 | < Soren> | You can get railguns down to super-low recoil, though, by using teeny projectiles firing at absurd speeds.... in theory. |
| 07:47 | < CalaveraJoe> | Yup |
| 07:47 | < Soren> | too small, though, and your projectiles will melt from atmospheric friction. |
| 07:47 | < CalaveraJoe> | Woowoo! |
| 07:47 | < Soren> | as they light everything around them on fire. |
| 07:47 | < Soren> | Including you. |
| 07:47 | < afny> | I'll take 20. |
| 07:47 | < Soren> | I thought you might. |
| 07:47 | < CalaveraJoe> | In HS my friends and I goofed about sub-orbital tungsten lawn darts |
| 07:47 | < Soren> | you know what's awesome? |
| 07:47 | < Soren> | superheated steam. |
| 07:48 | < CalaveraJoe> | Screw missiles, just drop tungsten spikes from near space |
| 07:48 | < Soren> | it's water that can LIGHT THINGS ON FIRE. |
| 07:48 | < afny> | you're blowing my mind right now. |
| 07:48 | < CalaveraJoe> | Then, of course, there are anti tank rounds |
| 07:48 | < afny> | okay so I'm reading about recoil-less weapons right now on wikipedia |
| 07:48 | < afny> | and I just got to this line |
| 07:49 | < afny> | I"n 1947, the US 75 mm was acquired as war surplus by the French military and mounted on a Vespa scooter." |
| 07:49 | < Soren> | yes |
| 07:49 | < afny> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa_150_TAP |
| 07:49 | < CalaveraJoe> | You look at them and go "Now how can such a tiny thing kill a tank?" Simple, pressure and friction and a TINY space equal vaporized liquid metal |
| 07:50 | < Soren> | good old Munroe effect. |
| 07:50 | < Soren> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9uvIhgVz04 check it. |
| 07:51 | < Soren> | I may have mentioned that my dad is a chemist. |
| 07:51 | < Soren> | We got to do this kind of stuff at home, for fun. |
| 07:51 | < Soren> | It had an obvious effect on my sense of humor. |
| 07:52 | < CalaveraJoe> | hehe |
| 07:54 | < CalaveraJoe> | My father's a gunsmith |
| 07:54 | < CalaveraJoe> | I was potty trained in a gun shop, and he did gun blueing in our basement |
| 07:54 | < Soren> | ohoho. |
| 07:55 | < Soren> | Ever make hydraulic bullets? |
| 07:55 | < Soren> | stupid. Crazy. Dangerous. Incredibly funny. |
| 07:55 | < CalaveraJoe> | As a tot, I had an actual Derringer in my toy box instead of a toy gun |
| 07:55 | < CalaveraJoe> | And someplace I've got pictures of me at like, 4, wielding a Tommy Gun while standing on my dad's lap |
| 07:55 | < Soren> | yikes. |
| 07:56 | < CalaveraJoe> | I also /used/ to know how to field strip a whole crapton of handguns |
| 07:56 | < Soren> | I bet |
| 07:56 | < CalaveraJoe> | but it's not something that sticks with you if you don't practice now and again |
| 07:56 | < Soren> | No. |
| 07:58 | < CalaveraJoe> | and now, randomly, are the Ijad the only brainslugs in the canonical MF0 universe? |
| 07:58 | < Soren> | I should note, that the boring version with the Erlenmeyer flask is the safe version. the unsafe version can set whole people on fire, like barbecue. |
| 07:58 | < Soren> | that I know of :) |
| 07:58 | < Soren> | If you have a cool idea, it'll fit. |
| 07:59 | < CalaveraJoe> | One of the fluff notions I'm rattling around |
| 07:59 | < CalaveraJoe> | In part, to explain why most of my frames will likely end up being variants of existing ones |
| 08:00 | < CalaveraJoe> | As well as to justify cockpits that may or may not actually be all that human shape friendly |
| 08:01 | < afny> | Well Ijad cockpits are already not necessarily human friendly |
| 08:01 | < CalaveraJoe> | imo MANY of the frames out there are questionably able to fit a whole human |
| 08:01 | < Soren> | well yeah |
| 08:01 | < CalaveraJoe> | Mittens' Iguana, for example |
| 08:02 | < afny> | Mittens whole aesthetic, and by association Ced's, seems to be a different scale |
| 08:02 | < CalaveraJoe> | *nod* If we're talking 2 plate, then NO PROBLEM |
| 08:02 | < Soren> | even 4-plate |
| 08:03 | < CalaveraJoe> | Though at 4 plate, we're talking bendy humans |
| 08:03 | < Soren> | (what I'm thinking for the Gundam pastiche.) |
| 08:03 | < Soren> | yeah |
| 08:03 | < CalaveraJoe> | but at standard size, there's some people-gami going on in there |
| 08:03 | < afny> | I think it just stems from them being influenced more by a battletech style |
| 08:04 | < afny> | it's hard to make a battletech-esque mech at 7p |
| 08:04 | < afny> | they look weird |
| 08:05 | < Dukayn[BF3]> | Maybe they're remote piloted ;) |
| 08:05 | | Dukayn[BF3] is now known as Dukayn |
| 08:05 | < CalaveraJoe> | Also an option |
| 08:05 | < Soren> | When in doubt, make some shit up. |
| 08:05 | < CalaveraJoe> | Me? I'm coo with going with alien nasties |
| 08:05 | < afny> | Well some of Ceds still works at 7p, really well |
| 08:05 | < afny> | like the Old Couatl(sp) and the Gaidan |
| 08:06 | < afny> | you could just have normal Ijad riding any sort of animal to fit them in weird mechs |
| 08:07 | < afny> | anything with a nervous system works, right? |
| 08:07 | < afny> | and something big enough to contain the parasite |
| 08:07 | < CalaveraJoe> | Thumbs probably wouldn't hurt |
| 08:07 | < afny> | I'm not sure the Ghanat has thumbs, although we haven't seen an illustration so who knows |
| 08:07 | < CalaveraJoe> | I'm going for a race that's also okay with technological cannibalism |
| 08:08 | < afny> | I'm not trying to dissuade you here or anything but the Ijad are all ABOUT technological cannibalism |
| 08:08 | < CalaveraJoe> | *nod* And Im getting that the more I read the BG stuff |
| 08:08 | < afny> | considering they reverse engineered pretty much every aspect of frame tech to make their frames |
| 08:08 | < Soren> | I know ghanats have digits and roughtly the bodyplan of a Scrambler, but J is our alien designer. |
| 08:08 | < randolph> | Hm, recall that the "trans slope" is not the cockpit |
| 08:09 | < randolph> | That's just a viewport or sensor |
| 08:09 | < afny> | It still LOOKS like a cockpit, though |
| 08:09 | < afny> | it looks like a battletech cockpit |
| 08:09 | < randolph> | Right, but that's not what makes it realistic for 7p |
| 08:09 | < randolph> | or not |
| 08:09 | < randolph> | You just need enough room in any body mass to squeeze a fetal human |
| 08:09 | < randolph> | *fetal position |
| 08:09 | < afny> | which is the entire head of a hi-leg |
| 08:09 | < randolph> | Right, they're supposedly balled up in there |
| 08:09 | < randolph> | From what I read, anyway |
| 08:10 | < afny> | there's an illustration in the PDF |
| 08:10 | < randolph> | Ah ok |
| 08:10 | < CalaveraJoe> | *nod* |
| 08:10 | < afny> | I mean some of my early frames are definitely not compatible with 7p humans |
| 08:10 | < afny> | so I'm no 7p saint |
| 08:11 | < randolph> | With WangTech, I can be a little less strict with 7p. If a full human won't fit, we'll fit just enough to run it <_< |
| 08:11 | < CalaveraJoe> | If you look at the core of the mini-frame (and the frames based on it, like the Iggy), a balled up human is not likely, a human bent in a way that a human would not normally like or want to be bent, however, would work |
| 08:11 | < randolph> | See: Project Rasputin~ |
| 08:13 | < afny> | I don't know, looking at the Iquana |
| 08:13 | < afny> | I do think a person could fit in there |
| 08:13 | < afny> | I guess it depends how you interpret the bricks |
| 08:14 | < CalaveraJoe> | Sure, a human /could/ fit in there, I'm not denying that |
| 08:14 | < randolph> | It's pretty much impossible with my Phantom at 7p... not comfortably anyway |
| 08:14 | < CalaveraJoe> | functionally? Ehhhh, i dunno |
| 08:15 | < afny> | Well I'm pretty sure the iquana is purpose-built for combat, so it could still be a tight fit and have a full set of pedals/sticks configured for ease of use |
| 08:15 | < Dukayn> | the torso is 2 bricks high |
| 08:15 | < Dukayn> | a 7p human is 2 bricks and a plate |
| 08:15 | < Dukayn> | I don't see the issue |
| 08:15 | < Dukayn> | seated you lose 25% of your height |
| 08:15 | < Dukayn> | ish |
| 08:16 | < randolph> | More, if you don't care about comfort~ |
| 08:16 | < afny> | you can lose more than that if you curl up |
| 08:16 | < afny> | yeah |
| 08:16 | < randolph> | But I do more DNI stuff with WT than is standard for the fiction |
| 08:16 | < Dukayn> | A Hi-Leg cockpit is way smaller |
| 08:16 | < Dukayn> | height-wise |
| 08:16 | < afny> | but a hi-leg cockpit is also longer, and the pilot is recumbent |
| 08:17 | < Dukayn> | yes, but that just supports the argument |
| 08:17 | < CalaveraJoe> | At best, I think the iggy pilot would be riding it like a crotch rocket |
| 08:17 | < CalaveraJoe> | or a tachikoma |
| 08:17 | < Dukayn> | you don't have to fit a full 7p high human as if it were standing |
| 08:17 | < afny> | Tachikoma's have the added advantage that most of their pilots can curl up into a ball of metal and just control them with their minds |
| 08:18 | < afny> | I mean I'm not really arguing a point anymore, I think a person could fit in the Iguana. |
| 08:18 | < randolph> | I think the Iguana is a special case if you don't give a plate in front of the T-joint |
| 08:18 | < randolph> | If you do mask the waist, it "goes there" |
| 08:18 | < Dukayn> | In my mind it's like the calibre argument. When it all comes down to it, does it /really/ matter? |
| 08:18 | < randolph> | *the pilot goes there |
| 08:18 | < Dukayn> | It's just fluff |
| 08:19 | < Dukayn> | it doesn't effect the game itself |
| 08:19 | < afny> | I don't care about the caliber thing, but then again I don't know shit about guns as my earlier comments have proven |
| 08:19 | < afny> | I care about scale because when the game is going on, I want shit to look good and coherent |
| 08:19 | < randolph> | Yes it does! Playing it accurately at 7p scale wins you pocky! |
| 08:19 | < CalaveraJoe> | True, but the fluff is a lot of the fun |
| 08:19 | < randolph> | If you don't do it right, NO POCKY |
| 08:19 | < Dukayn> | not if people are getting into massive long arguments about it. how is that fun? |
| 08:19 | < randolph> | Well, that depends, are we having unfun here? |
| 08:19 | < CalaveraJoe> | ...have you /met/ gamers? |
| 08:19 | < randolph> | I mean, I'm enjoying the discussion |
| 08:20 | < afny> | well I don't think I would ever have this argument in person, not unless someone specifically brought up the topic in a design setting |
| 08:20 | < CalaveraJoe> | Intellectual frotteurism is part of the fun |
| 08:20 | < Dukayn> | we're not arguing here :P |
| 08:20 | < afny> | I mean if I was at a shop and someone came up to me with their company |
| 08:20 | < afny> | and it was clearly gundam scale stuff |
| 08:20 | < Dukayn> | we're discussing |
| 08:20 | < afny> | I wouldn't say |
| 08:20 | < afny> | NO I'M NOT FIGHTING YOU THOSE ARE GUNDAMS. |
| 08:20 | < CalaveraJoe> | rofl |
| 08:20 | < Dukayn> | I don't know what Gundam scale means |
| 08:20 | < afny> | Soren said he was considering 4p is human height |
| 08:20 | < afny> | gundams are bigger than chubs by like 2x |
| 08:21 | < Dukayn> | ah |
| 08:21 | < Dukayn> | differing sizes like that mostly cause problems mechanically |
| 08:21 | < afny> | Well I'm saying if someone came up to me and wanted to fight |
| 08:21 | < Dukayn> | and it's a fair bit different to "will a human fit in that cockpit" |
| 08:22 | < afny> | no, in this theoretical encounter |
| 08:22 | < afny> | the frames are the same size |
| 08:22 | < afny> | just not built at the same scale. |
| 08:22 | < afny> | And I'm saying I wouldn't pitch a hissy fit right there at the table because of it. |
| 08:22 | < Dukayn> | ah |
| 08:22 | < Dukayn> | right |
| 08:22 | < Dukayn> | well no |
| 08:22 | < randolph> | That's it, I'm fielding borg cubes. |
| 08:22 | < afny> | DO IT |
| 08:22 | < Dukayn> | hahahahahaha |
| 08:22 | < CalaveraJoe> | Only if you do it to 7p sale |
| 08:22 | < CalaveraJoe> | err scale |
| 08:22 | < randolph> | *CLONK* Is... is that 7p? |
| 08:23 | < randolph> | "SCALE IS IRRELEVANT. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE." |
| 08:23 | < Dukayn> | I didn't say it was irrelevant. |
| 08:23 | < afny> | Dude, did you see this |
| 08:23 | < afny> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/halfbeak/7306132044/in/pool-416357@N21/ |
| 08:23 | < randolph> | Well no, but they do. |
| 08:23 | < randolph> | It's kind of a borg thing |
| 08:23 | < Dukayn> | that is awesome |
| 08:24 | < afny> | from the thumbnail I was like, hey tiny enterprise |
| 08:24 | < afny> | then I clicked it. |
| 08:24 | < randolph> | It can do both Picard maneuvers AT ONCE |
| 08:24 | < randolph> | (because it's a minifig shirt) |
| 08:24 | < Dukayn> | LOL just saw the minifig torso and arms |
| 08:24 | < Dukayn> | brilliant |
| 08:24 | < CalaveraJoe> | That's so ..... |
| 08:25 | < randolph> | "To bodily go, where no one has gone before." |
| 08:25 | < randolph> | <_< |
| 08:25 | < Dukayn> | lol |
| 08:25 | < Dukayn> | IT'S CHRONTASTIC |
| 08:28 | < randolph> | I kinda want to make some Toclafanes from Dr. Who |
| 08:30 | < CalaveraJoe> | Only if you do one that opens up to reveal the gooey center |
| 08:31 | < randolph> | Yes, I'll put a novelty shrunken head inside. It's the last white. |
| 08:31 | < randolph> | Only worth it the first time for a pantswetting moment |
| 08:31 | < randolph> | Pick your opponent well. |
| 08:33 | < afny> | So randolph, are you perhaps a Hellboy fan? |
| 08:34 | < randolph> | Only saw the movies. |
| 08:34 | < randolph> | Why? |
| 08:34 | < afny> | I wondered because your head in a jar frame was called "Project Rasputin", and in the comics there is a guy who works with Rasputin that is just a head in a jar |
| 08:34 | < afny> | I mean Rasputin has connotations of undeath outside of Hellboy, but I wondered. |
| 08:35 | < randolph> | Ah, heh. No, it's a longevity project, and "Project Rebirth" and "Project Phoenix" were kinda corny |
| 08:35 | < randolph> | ... not that Rasputin is much better |
| 08:35 | < afny> | Corny is not bad. |
| 08:35 | < afny> | You just have to own it. |
| 08:35 | < randolph> | Well, WT has a specific kind of corny |
| 08:35 | < randolph> | It's more corny evulz than corny inspirational poster |
| 08:36 | < afny> | yeah I think the mad science comes through pretty clear |
| 08:36 | < randolph> | ... have you seen my Wall-E cameo? :D |
| 08:36 | < afny> | yeah, the little bot |
| 08:36 | < afny> | he's pretty adorable |
| 08:36 | < randolph> | I meant in WT poster form |
| 08:37 | < randolph> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1033#p4174 |
| 08:37 | < randolph> | Like, actually Wall-E |
| 08:38 | < CalaveraJoe> | the little arm |
| 08:38 | < CalaveraJoe> | nice |
| 08:38 | < afny> | Nicely done |
| 08:38 | | Ced|Bed is now known as Ceddo |
| 08:38 | < afny> | but I gotta say I hate baseplates even more when they're rendered in LDD |
| 08:38 | < Ceddo> | UARGj |
| 08:38 | < afny> | wow didn't you JUST go to sleep |
| 08:38 | < afny> | how are you ALIVE even |
| 08:38 | < Ceddo> | My mom called me. |
| 08:38 | < randolph> | I actually bricked him up |
| 08:38 | < randolph> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/wangtech/6994896514/in/photostream |
| 08:38 | < randolph> | Hey Ced |
| 08:39 | < randolph> | Can I use some Vultures in my fic? |
| 08:39 | < Ceddo> | All of them, for all I care. |
| 08:39 | < randolph> | heh |
| 08:39 | < Ceddo> | YOU CAN HAVE IT. |
| 08:39 | < randolph> | ALL VULTURES. EVERYWHERE. FOREVER |
| 08:40 | < randolph> | Heheh, no, WT Sec is just going to scramble some because they can intercept faster, and we don't have an air division yet |
| 08:53 | < Dukayn> | Hey Ced's back |
| 08:53 | < Ceddo> | He is. |
| 08:53 | < randolph> | What time is it? |
| 08:53 | < Ceddo> | My mom called me. |
| 08:54 | < Ceddo> | I kinda had to get up. |
| 08:54 | < Ceddo> | She invaded my sleepy times. |
| 08:54 | < Dukayn> | lol |
| 08:54 | < Ceddo> | But it's okay, she also stuffed my fridge. |
| 08:54 | < Dukayn> | yay |
| 08:54 | < randolph> | Ah, google says 10 am |
| 08:55 | < Ceddo> | With pork filet cuts, aspargus, sauce hollondaise, cold cuts, rucula, oyster mushroom and she als gave me espresso pads. |
| 08:55 | < Ceddo> | So I can't complain. |
| 08:55 | < Dukayn> | Awesome |
| 08:55 | < Dukayn> | I'm just starting dinner |
| 08:56 | < CalaveraJoe> | I'm pondering going to sleep, in the hopes that the baby will not wake up at 630 again |
| 08:56 | < randolph> | hehe |
| 08:56 | < randolph> | How young? |
| 08:56 | < CalaveraJoe> | Poor guy's got a cold, so he's a bit all over the place sleep wise |
| 08:56 | < CalaveraJoe> | 11 months |
| 08:56 | < randolph> | aw |
| 08:56 | < CalaveraJoe> | Normally, he's a solid sleeper |
| 08:56 | < CalaveraJoe> | Out between 9-11 and down until 730-8 ish |
| 08:56 | < CalaveraJoe> | Right now, its a crap shoot |
| 08:56 | < randolph> | Yeah, totally |
| 08:57 | < CalaveraJoe> | depends on how snotty his nose gets and/or whether he panics cause he's lost his sucky thing |
| 08:57 | < randolph> | colds suck for them... don't know how to blow nose |
| 08:58 | < Dukayn> | our kids have been snotty and coughing for a couple weeks now |
| 08:58 | < Dukayn> | bloody early winter virus running around |
| 08:58 | < randolph> | yerk |
| 08:58 | < CalaveraJoe> | This is his first real cold |
| 08:58 | < randolph> | :( |
| 08:58 | < CalaveraJoe> | He's been a trooper so far |
| 08:58 | < Dukayn> | Yeah the first ones are hard |
| 09:01 | < CalaveraJoe> | Man... I'm really glad I didn't go near the background fluff until after the end of the semester |
| 09:02 | < Dukayn> | Getting sucked in? |
| 09:02 | < CalaveraJoe> | Yes and no |
| 09:02 | < CalaveraJoe> | But I'm a setting whore from way back |
| 09:03 | < CalaveraJoe> | Back in HS, had a DM for AD&D that had spent a few hundred hours building his own setting from scratch |
| 09:03 | < CalaveraJoe> | And I convinced him to lemme have at a read, and it was just SO good that you couldnt help but start spinning up ideas of your own |
| 09:03 | < Soren> | Well, I'm in here to answer questions if you got 'em! |
| 09:04 | < CalaveraJoe> | No questions so far, just data downloading mostly |
| 09:04 | < Soren> | I don;t have all of it, but I was there for most of it. |
| 09:04 | < CalaveraJoe> | its obvious that you guys have done a GREAT job at keeping things cohesive, in spite of the sheer volume of variety |
| 09:04 | < CalaveraJoe> | Its nice |
| 09:04 | < CalaveraJoe> | The universe "works" |
| 09:05 | < CalaveraJoe> | Means there's actually little need to deviate from it |
| 09:06 | < Soren> | Well, and generating sufficient gray area that making shit up is essential. |
| 09:06 | < Dukayn> | LIKE PIRATES |
| 09:06 | < CalaveraJoe> | Well, for my company idea, for example |
| 09:06 | < Soren> | precisely. |
| 09:07 | < afny> | listen, buddy |
| 09:07 | < afny> | I don't know what you're smoking, but pirates ARE VERY REAL. |
| 09:07 | < CalaveraJoe> | I'll need to do more data mining of ijad stuff, but it's totally viable for them to just be a tribe of ikad with issues |
| 09:07 | < Dukayn> | I'll have to sit down and discuss my pirate company with you at some stage, Soren |
| 09:07 | < CalaveraJoe> | Sadly, I suspect there are some tasty nuggets in backer only posts that I can't get at cause of me being an /ass/ and not paying attention and actually backing the kickstarter |
| 09:08 | < Dukayn> | I can't remember all the backer-only updates |
| 09:08 | < Dukayn> | I know the Chub instructions were the first. |
| 09:09 | < Dukayn> | afny: of course they are real, but there's no fluff for them in the game yet. |
| 09:10 | < randolph> | Soren: Do the TTA make you take retinal/DNA scans when you pop through a Transit Gate? |
| 09:10 | < randolph> | So they can catalog who goes where, when? |
| 09:10 | < randolph> | catch no-fly list people, etc |
| 09:10 | < randolph> | I figure since it's expensive, the labor overhead is pretty low due to volume |
| 09:11 | < Soren> | I imagine that depends on the colony. |
| 09:11 | < Soren> | the more high tech and developed colonies, yeah. |
| 09:11 | < Soren> | Earth and the rest of the solar system, yeah. |
| 09:11 | < Soren> | anywhere else, pick and choose. |
| 09:12 | < randolph> | Ok |
| 09:12 | < CalaveraJoe> | For clarification: AI is, by and large, rudimentary and direct neural connections (save ijad to meat things) aren't a thing yet, really, (setting wide), yes? |
| 09:12 | < randolph> | (I'm plotting out the specifics of the extraction plan) |
| 09:12 | < randolph> | There is Direct Neural, but it's not widespread or particularly advanced |
| 09:13 | < randolph> | I mean, we have a dude in Italy NOW with a DNI arm |
| 09:14 | < afny> | Also, that's hardwired |
| 09:14 | < CalaveraJoe> | *nod* |
| 09:14 | < afny> | which is a little different than plug and play cockpit tech |
| 09:14 | < CalaveraJoe> | True, but there's nothing saying my jacked up ijad wouldn't be beyond hardwiring their meat suits into the frames |
| 09:15 | < CalaveraJoe> | Still digging for info on ijad getting around sans suits |
| 09:15 | < randolph> | Mm... I think the canon Ijad are very anti doing bad things to their mounts |
| 09:15 | < CalaveraJoe> | "Bad" is relative |
| 09:15 | < randolph> | Sure |
| 09:16 | < CalaveraJoe> | Is it "bad" if the meat suit is grafted cybernetically to a frame? only when the frame gets blowed up |
| 09:16 | < afny> | well at it's basest level it's animal cruelty |
| 09:16 | < afny> | I mean I think some Ijad might resort to that kind of thing, surely |
| 09:16 | < CalaveraJoe> | Is it "bad" to only, say, graft the waist up portion of the human? It's not like it /needs/ the legs anymore, what with the frame being a new body |
| 09:16 | < afny> | but when the ijad isn't riding the frame, the animal is still stuck in it |
| 09:17 | < CalaveraJoe> | True, but neurochemistry would be pretty easy to bend to favor addiction and zealous devotion |
| 09:18 | < randolph> | Right, but per canon, Ijad aren't that kind of brainslug |
| 09:18 | < randolph> | In general |
| 09:18 | < randolph> | They know humans are sentient |
| 09:18 | < randolph> | They won't even take you against your will |
| 09:18 | < CalaveraJoe> | *nod* |
| 09:18 | < Ceddo> | afny: How am I alive? |
| 09:18 | < Ceddo> | I dunno. |
| 09:18 | < randolph> | So... they wouldn't convince you that losing your lower body is good to hack off |
| 09:19 | < Ceddo> | When did I go to bed? |
| 09:19 | < randolph> | Unless, I mean, he really thought so |
| 09:19 | < Ceddo> | [04:40:51] * Your nick is now Ced|Bed |
| 09:19 | < Ceddo> | [09:38:22] * Your nick is now Ceddo |
| 09:19 | < CalaveraJoe> | True, but they could also use non sentient meat stuffs |
| 09:19 | < Ceddo> | Ah, 5h ago. |
| 09:19 | < randolph> | Yeah, I have no idea what there position is on grafting Ghanat |
| 09:20 | < CalaveraJoe> | Also, any specifics on genetic / bio engineering ? |
| 09:20 | < CalaveraJoe> | Game wide, not just ijad |
| 09:20 | < afny> | 5h is not enough sleep for me |
| 09:20 | < afny> | but like |
| 09:20 | < afny> | you do seem to schedule only 4, so. |
| 09:20 | < CalaveraJoe> | HA! 5 hours |
| 09:20 | < CalaveraJoe> | That's par for the course |
| 09:21 | < CalaveraJoe> | My poor wife often runs on 3-4 hours |
| 09:22 | < Dukayn> | I average 4-5 |
| 09:22 | < Dukayn> | 4 year old is up at 6am on the dot, every day |
| 09:23 | < randolph> | CJ: WangTech engages in it, and I haven't been shot down by any devs (yet) |
| 09:23 | < afny> | I don't think the devs are in the business of shooting down anything |
| 09:24 | < randolph> | Well, sure, but you have to draw some lines for canon to be coherent |
| 09:24 | < randolph> | There's a lot of flexibility there, certainly. |
| 09:24 | < afny> | I just mean that I don't think they vet anything on the boards unless specifically asked |
| 09:25 | < afny> | and it's not even always clear if the stuff people post is intended for the Solar Calendar setting or not |
| 09:25 | < Soren> | I define 'canon' as spirit rather than 'letter' |
| 09:25 | < Dukayn> | Unless otherwise specified I assume it is |
| 09:25 | < Soren> | Joshua is too busy moving. |
| 09:25 | < Soren> | So I have final say until he's less busy :D |
| 09:26 | < Soren> | And I don't really care as long as the setting is sparking cool, non-creepy ideas. |
| 09:26 | < randolph> | Define "creepy" :| |
| 09:26 | < Soren> | creepy in the sense of being morally black and white or eliminationist. |
| 09:27 | < Soren> | (I don't use 'Fascist' with the same casual abandon J does. I treat it like a real word with a meaning.) |
| 09:28 | < randolph> | You mean asserted-objective morally black and white or eliminiationist, right? |
| 09:28 | < randolph> | Not in-character those things? |
| 09:28 | < randolph> | Like, ethical objectivist faction, fine. Saying they're right, not fine? |
| 09:28 | < Soren> | yeah. |
| 09:29 | < Soren> | It's fine to have people who believe those things. It's creepy to come down from heaven and assert that they're absolute truths. |
| 09:30 | < randolph> | d6Y d6Y is the Light and the Way. |
| 09:30 | < Soren> | Or to rig situations where the 'moral' solution is 'murder all of them' |
| 09:30 | < Soren> | for example. |
| 09:30 | < randolph> | Ender's Game~ |
| 09:30 | < Soren> | precisely. |
| 09:30 | < Soren> | I read that article too. |
| 09:30 | < Ceddo> | <randolph> d6Y d6Y is the Light and the Way. |
| 09:30 | < Ceddo> | Haha. |
| 09:30 | < Ceddo> | This is funny. |
| 09:31 | < randolph> | Only through my Spot will you achieve Salvation. |
| 09:31 | < Ceddo> | We're gonna enter a meta that deals 100% damage and stop defending. |
| 09:31 | < Ceddo> | OH FUCK I REALIZED IT. |
| 09:31 | < Ceddo> | RANDY. |
| 09:31 | < randolph> | CED |
| 09:31 | < Ceddo> | Now it all makes sense. |
| 09:31 | < Ceddo> | Now you know why HtH is weak. |
| 09:31 | < Ceddo> | Why BB is not ideal. |
| 09:31 | < Ceddo> | MF0: RAPID ATTACK. |
| 09:31 | < Ceddo> | THE CLUES HAVE BEEN THERE ALL ALONG. |
| 09:31 | < randolph> | Man, you typed too fast, I couldn't fit in "Yeah Brain, but how will we get the goats at this hour?" |
| 09:32 | < Dukayn> | http://www.questionablecontent.net/1545 |
| 09:32 | < Dukayn> | relevant to RANDY |
| 09:32 | < randolph> | She's this cthonic being |
| 09:32 | < randolph> | If you read further |
| 09:33 | < Dukayn> | Oh I have |
| 09:33 | < randolph> | hehe |
| 09:34 | < Ceddo> | My mom also brought me my nerf gun. |
| 09:34 | < Ceddo> | And my WH40k stuff. |
| 09:34 | < Ceddo> | And my D&D and D20 books. |
| 09:34 | < randolph> | heh |
| 09:34 | < Ceddo> | I am such a fucking nerd. |
| 09:34 | < Ceddo> | She also brought me my ARMY BACKPACK. |
| 09:34 | < Ceddo> | And I don't mean army army. |
| 09:35 | < Dukayn> | like, GI Joe army? |
| 09:35 | < Ceddo> | I mean the backpack with foam inserts to transport two Rhino APCs, a LandRaider and several Greyknight Terminators. |
| 09:35 | < randolph> | I dunno how old you are... have you served already? |
| 09:35 | < Ceddo> | Randy: I am turning 29. |
| 09:35 | < Dukayn> | Oh that backpack |
| 09:35 | < afny> | ?? does Germany have mandatory service? |
| 09:35 | < Ceddo> | Dukayn: It's a black backpack, with red velvet inserts. |
| 09:36 | < randolph> | That means yes, right? |
| 09:36 | < Ceddo> | afny: Yupp. |
| 09:36 | < Ceddo> | And no, it doesn't. |
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| 09:36 | < Ceddo> | I dodged it because I know people. |
| 09:36 | < randolph> | Oh is that why Canada? |
| 09:36 | < Ceddo> | Nah. |
| 09:36 | < randolph> | ah |
| 09:36 | < Ceddo> | I hada slip from a neurologist. |
| 09:36 | < randolph> | I took four years of German in HS |
| 09:36 | < Dukayn> | I TOLD YOU HE WAS CRAZY |
| 09:36 | < randolph> | So I picked up some culture stuff |
| 09:36 | < Ceddo> | "Mr. Rasch is psychologically instable and unfit for service." |
| 09:36 | < Dukayn> | I'd agree |
| 09:37 | < randolph> | [Dr. Psychologist Liked This Post] |
| 09:37 | < Dukayn> | From what I've seen :P |
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| 09:37 | < Ceddo> | Then, I proceeded to volunteer anyway, and worked as a civilian for a year. |
| 09:37 | < Dukayn> | haha |
| 09:37 | < Ceddo> | See, service here is either some months army or a year in the civilian field. |
| 09:37 | < Ceddo> | I had to do neither, but did the civilian part on my own. |
| 09:38 | < Ceddo> | Worked at a home for the elderly. |
| 09:38 | < CalaveraJoe> | I managed to avoid having to serve in the Italian army by living in the US, though it did result on travel back to Italy having the potential to be a PAIN |
| 09:38 | < Ceddo> | So, WITHOUT pay. |
| 09:38 | < Ceddo> | But yeah. I am post service time. |
| 09:38 | < Dukayn> | I'm lucky, Australia doesn't have mandatory service. |
| 09:39 | | * CalaveraJoe was born in the last year (1980) with /mandatory/ service requirements |
| 09:39 | < CalaveraJoe> | But I was also born in the US (dual citizen) |
| 09:39 | < Ceddo> | What a cuntbadger that must be. |
| 09:39 | < Ceddo> | Oh, heh. |
| 09:39 | < Ceddo> | Stick it out in the US for a bit? |
| 09:39 | < CalaveraJoe> | Born in the US, moved to italy for a few years, then back to the US (though the opposite coast) |
| 09:40 | < CalaveraJoe> | Used to go back to Italy for summer vacation every year |
| 09:40 | < Ceddo> | Nice one, Dukey! |
| 09:40 | < Ceddo> | @ 13th Guard & Nightraiders. |
| 09:40 | | * Dukayn shrugs |
| 09:40 | < Dukayn> | it was easy enough |
| 09:40 | < CalaveraJoe> | but once I popped 18, I would have needed to get a special visa to step foot in Italy w/out risking arrest and immediate enlistment |
| 09:40 | < Dukayn> | and a visual often helps more than an explanation |
| 09:41 | < Ceddo> | Dukey: Sure. But I thought, too, it was apparent. |
| 09:41 | < Ceddo> | Apparently, not! :D |
| 09:41 | < Dukayn> | That Fidler is awesome |
| 09:42 | < Dukayn> | And kinda misleading |
| 09:42 | < Dukayn> | It looks MASSIVE |
| 09:42 | < Dukayn> | and then you see it next to a Chub |
| 09:42 | < Dukayn> | and wonder if maybe it's the wrong scale :P |
| 09:42 | < CalaveraJoe> | Are those... megabucks for cover? |
| 09:44 | < CalaveraJoe> | Also, is it just me or is that battle area on the small side? |
| 09:44 | < Ceddo> | Everyone thinks the Fiddler is this massive 'frame. |
| 09:44 | < Ceddo> | But it's not. :D |
| 09:44 | < Ceddo> | I love that deception,. |
| 09:44 | < Ceddo> | CJ: Totally is. |
| 09:44 | < Ceddo> | Was the largest cohesive surface we could find. |
| 09:45 | < Ceddo> | Wednesday, IKEA. |
| 09:45 | < Ceddo> | Buying two of the big couch tables there. |
| 09:45 | < Dukayn> | Nice |
| 09:45 | < Dukayn> | What are the dimensions of a standard playing area? |
| 09:45 | < randolph> | You should build one of the Requiems, Ced |
| 09:45 | < randolph> | Have the fiddler use it |
| 09:45 | < randolph> | Re-enact Silverhawks |
| 09:47 | < Ceddo> | I dunno if anyone wants to be yelled at. |
| 09:47 | < Ceddo> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoFKCVxGZU4 |
| 09:47 | < Ceddo> | But this was pretty messed up. |
| 09:48 | < Dukayn> | o_O |
| 09:48 | < Dukayn> | Those guys are um... interesting |
| 09:48 | < Ceddo> | YOU GOT BALLS, KID. |
| 09:49 | < Ceddo> | NOW USE THEM AND ROLL AROUND ON MY TONGUE. |
| 09:49 | < Ceddo> | :D |
| 09:53 | < randolph> | Duk: I think Skirmish is like 32 units across? |
| 09:53 | < randolph> | Bigger for Full Battle |
| 09:54 | < CalaveraJoe> | Okay... I need to unplug and gtf to bed |
| 09:54 | < Ceddo> | Lemme measure. |
| 09:54 | < randolph> | nn CJ |
| 09:54 | < CalaveraJoe> | before I run the risk of only getting a few hours of sleep |
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| 09:54 | < Ceddo> | 20 across. :D |
| 09:55 | < randolph> | I wonder how much you have to skew towards HtH to make it worthwhile. There's got to be a number. |
| 09:55 | < Ceddo> | "skew" ..? |
| 09:55 | < Soren> | the fuck to bed is probably also a place I should go. |
| 09:55 | | Soren is now known as Soren|away |
| 09:55 | < randolph> | Yeah, like tweak rules for HtH |
| 09:55 | < randolph> | nn Soren |
| 09:55 | < Soren|away> | g'night! |
| 09:55 | < randolph> | 4,5,6 is one special rule, d8G is another |
| 09:56 | < afny> | Joshua swears by 4 or 8 swarmers |
| 09:56 | < randolph> | Yeah, but on paper, there's no way. |
| 09:56 | < afny> | at least I've seen him quote those numbers |
| 09:56 | < randolph> | and in sims |
| 09:56 | < afny> | In sims I've seen melee companies do very well |
| 09:56 | < Ceddo> | Joshua is odd. |
| 09:56 | < afny> | but I don't put any faith in sims |
| 09:56 | < randolph> | Actually, I think we've had some live plays where it doesn't work |
| 09:56 | < randolph> | Why not? |
| 09:56 | < randolph> | re: sims |
| 09:57 | < randolph> | If you play it out like you'd actually play it out, it's identical to brick |
| 09:57 | < randolph> | The only thing missing is accidental fudge factor |
| 09:57 | < afny> | but you're not considering the human element |
| 09:57 | < randolph> | Which one? |
| 09:57 | < afny> | the |
| 09:57 | < afny> | ...the human one. |
| 09:57 | < randolph> | (C, H, N, or O?) |
| 09:57 | < afny> | A, C, T, and G. |
| 09:58 | < randolph> | Not elements >_< |
| 09:58 | < randolph> | But ok, I'll bite, what do you mean? I'm human, or so they tell me |
| 09:58 | < afny> | not in the chemistry sense, no |
| 09:58 | < randolph> | I'm running the sim |
| 09:58 | < afny> | I just mean that when you actually get together to play |
| 09:58 | < afny> | you play the player, not the game. |
| 09:58 | < afny> | I think this is especially true in wargames |
| 09:58 | < Dukayn> | There's a huge difference between how one person plays 2 sides as opposed to how 2 people play 1 side each |
| 09:58 | < Dukayn> | HUGE difference |
| 09:58 | < randolph> | Okay, but like, for example, if I've got Axhead over there backseat driving |
| 09:58 | < randolph> | and he was |
| 09:59 | < Dukayn> | It's why I can't successfully "sim" games myself, or play myself at Chess, etc. |
| 09:59 | < randolph> | And we did AARs and discussed how things should have been done differently |
| 09:59 | < afny> | Like, if you run a sim with you playing an Artillery team and Axhead playing a melee team |
| 09:59 | < afny> | and you win 4/5 times |
| 09:59 | < Dukayn> | Cos I know that going in, I'm going to favour one side subconsciously and that will skew the result. |
| 09:59 | < randolph> | And then trade |
| 09:59 | < afny> | all you've determined is that you beat Axhead with that comp. |
| 09:59 | < randolph> | Sooort of. |
| 09:59 | < randolph> | I've beaten me with that comp too |
| 09:59 | < randolph> | Because I did what I would have done |
| 10:00 | < afny> | And even then, you've just found a good comp |
| 10:00 | < afny> | or your melee comp was bad |
| 10:00 | < afny> | that doesn't mean HtH systems are bad or broken |
| 10:00 | < randolph> | hm. |
| 10:00 | < afny> | maybe they're niche use |
| 10:00 | < randolph> | right, ok, I want to find a good use |
| 10:00 | < afny> | Soren posits that they're good for peeling people off stations |
| 10:00 | < afny> | try that |
| 10:00 | < randolph> | nog |
| 10:00 | < afny> | fuck |
| 10:00 | < Dukayn> | ... nog? |
| 10:00 | < afny> | I love the MgN |
| 10:01 | < randolph> | sorry... inside slang in some of my friend circles |
| 10:01 | < Dukayn> | er, which one afny ? There are several |
| 10:01 | < randolph> | it's a nod, but... more noggy |
| 10:01 | < afny> | just in general |
| 10:01 | < afny> | I love the basis of the frame |
| 10:01 | < afny> | I finally got some T joints and more taps so I can make them |
| 10:02 | < randolph> | afny: I definitely think there are situations in which HtH is solidly good. |
| 10:02 | < randolph> | I just also think that getting out of those situations is too easy for the opponent |
| 10:03 | < afny> | I haven't played enough to have a solid opinion, but I just don't think you should rule out an entire type of system without significant table time |
| 10:03 | < randolph> | Like: Being based by HtH. It's great. It means that based on EVs, you are never getting away, and they will eat your face. |
| 10:03 | < afny> | against diverse players |
| 10:03 | < randolph> | I agree that there isn't enough data, but I'm not basing it on just my sims, I'm looking at what everyone else has been doing |
| 10:04 | < randolph> | I'm not writing the Final Word, either, I'm trying to formulate my best approximation at this super-early pre-final-rules stage |
| 10:05 | < Dukayn> | Rulebooks are due out this month, yes? |
| 10:06 | < randolph> | Re: Diverse players, I'm more interested in optimal play as a puzzle than the psych aspect |
| 10:07 | < afny> | Even from that angle, other players will think of things you haven't thought of |
| 10:07 | < afny> | compositions and movements |
| 10:07 | < randolph> | Right, which is why I throw it out for the community |
| 10:07 | < randolph> | But we're pretty small |
| 10:07 | < randolph> | I'm not claiming that it's solved at all |
| 10:07 | < randolph> | But that's my approach |
| 10:08 | < randolph> | There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in that, yet. Some, certainly, but not enough to get the strategy snowball rolling |
| 10:13 | < afny> | sorry, got caught up building |
| 10:14 | < afny> | yeah, I mean, there's nothing wrong with trying to optimize as much as you can before the game takes off |
| 10:14 | | Dukayn is now known as Dukayn[AFK] |
| 10:14 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | time to cook dinner :) |
| 10:14 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | then, guests and board games! \o/ |
| 10:14 | < afny> | hf |
| 10:17 | < randolph> | later Duk |
| 10:19 | < afny> | well |
| 10:19 | < afny> | this submachinegun is just stupid. |
| 10:19 | < randolph> | So here, a rough equivalency. HtH against an uncovered target deals an average of 50% more damage. HtH against a covered target deals an average of 200% more damage. For HtH to be as good as or better than ranged: |
| 10:20 | < randolph> | 1) Against uncovered targets, it has to get to attack at least 2/3 often as Ranged |
| 10:20 | < randolph> | 2) Against covered targets, it has to get to attack at least 1/3 as often as Ranged |
| 10:21 | < randolph> | If you can leverage that, You Are Ahead |
| 10:23 | < randolph> | HtH gets bonus movement: It has an EV of +1.12 compared to a frame with no movement systems (double white), an EV of +0.85 comparing frames with 1 movement system each, and an EV of +0.7 comparing frames with 2 movement systems each |
| 10:23 | < Ceddo> | Randy. |
| 10:23 | < Ceddo> | Quick deploy recap. |
| 10:23 | < randolph> | Ceddo |
| 10:23 | < Ceddo> | Def drops 2 stations, 2 'frames. |
| 10:23 | < Ceddo> | ATK goes. |
| 10:23 | < Ceddo> | Def goes last 'frames. |
| 10:24 | < randolph> | yep |
| 10:24 | < Ceddo> | True? |
| 10:24 | < Ceddo> | Okay. |
| 10:24 | < Ceddo> | Stations within 8 units of each other. |
| 10:24 | < randolph> | for Def yes |
| 10:24 | < Ceddo> | Point 'frame in DF range to ONE def. |
| 10:24 | < Ceddo> | Erryone else may be in cover. |
| 10:24 | < Ceddo> | Anything I am missing? |
| 10:24 | < randolph> | Attacker stations |
| 10:25 | < randolph> | after attacker placement |
| 10:25 | < Ceddo> | Well, yeah. |
| 10:25 | < Ceddo> | Part of the whole ATK goes point. :D |
| 10:25 | < randolph> | well ok, but with mutliple attackers, it matters |
| 10:25 | < Ceddo> | Yes. |
| 10:25 | < Ceddo> | They alternate and all. |
| 10:25 | < randolph> | It goes Attacker frames (alternating) -> attacker stations (alternating) -> defender last |
| 10:25 | < Ceddo> | Anyway. Rematch of yesterday's battle. |
| 10:25 | < randolph> | kk |
| 10:25 | < Ceddo> | Danni is gonna go and add more spot. |
| 10:26 | < afny> | so I've got a frame with 1 DF system, one yellow, and one blue |
| 10:26 | < afny> | wat do |
| 10:26 | < Ceddo> | Perfect. |
| 10:26 | < randolph> | 1 more Y |
| 10:26 | < Ceddo> | That's your soldier. |
| 10:26 | < randolph> | or stay there for underbid |
| 10:26 | < Ceddo> | Add one Y for Captain. |
| 10:26 | < Ceddo> | Stay like that for Grunt. |
| 10:26 | < afny> | This is just a random build, don't know if/what kind of company it goes with |
| 10:26 | < Ceddo> | Add one DF for big gun. |
| 10:27 | < Ceddo> | A spot heavy one. :D |
| 10:27 | < afny> | Ced, I think you'll like this gun |
| 10:27 | < afny> | I finally have PARTS |
| 10:27 | < Ceddo> | PARTS. |
| 10:27 | < Ceddo> | Homeworld Cataclysm, anyone? |
| 10:27 | < Ceddo> | "We are under attack by PARTS." |
| 10:27 | < randolph> | For reference |
| 10:27 | < afny> | so why not a green? |
| 10:27 | < randolph> | 2d6 -> 2d6+1d8 is a greater EV than 1d6-> 2d6 spot |
| 10:27 | < Ceddo> | afny: You can switch the B for G. |
| 10:27 | < randolph> | But the 2Y is super cool |
| 10:27 | < randolph> | because of global |
| 10:28 | < Ceddo> | DF Y G - Fast Grunt |
| 10:28 | < randolph> | Yeah, I'd swap B for G |
| 10:28 | < Ceddo> | DF Y B - Tough Grunt |
| 10:28 | < Ceddo> | Ironically, the G is tougher. |
| 10:28 | < Ceddo> | Because of cover. |
| 10:28 | < Ceddo> | But that is situational. |
| 10:28 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Is cover really that good? |
| 10:28 | < Ceddo> | Uhm. |
| 10:28 | < Ceddo> | Yes. |
| 10:28 | < Ceddo> | It halves all damage. |
| 10:28 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | yeah, true |
| 10:28 | < Ceddo> | That is better than 6 DEF. |
| 10:28 | < randolph> | As I put it in the frame design thread: [Unless you're HtH,] you're always going to want to move, but moving might obviate needing a defense roll |
| 10:29 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | I forgot it halves damage |
| 10:29 | < randolph> | Everytime you need defense, you also need to move |
| 10:29 | < randolph> | But not vice versa |
| 10:29 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Like, I /knew/ it, but I didn't /remember/ |
| 10:29 | < Ceddo> | Range is the best defense. |
| 10:29 | < Ceddo> | Out of range = no damage. |
| 10:29 | < randolph> | ++ |
| 10:29 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | Unless they have Arty :P |
| 10:29 | < randolph> | No |
| 10:29 | < Ceddo> | Cover is second best. |
| 10:29 | < randolph> | Against arty CLOSE range is the best defense |
| 10:29 | < Ceddo> | It halves damage. |
| 10:29 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | yeah true |
| 10:29 | < Ceddo> | Range can be close and far. :D |
| 10:30 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | psh |
| 10:30 | < randolph> | Against USF, you remove that option~ |
| 10:30 | < Ceddo> | Kchchch. |
| 10:30 | < randolph> | That's really why that's broken |
| 10:30 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | thing is, is finding a spot on the board where you're out of range to everyone. that's not going to be easy. |
| 10:30 | < Ceddo> | See, I rather have one or two dedicated arties and a a few grunt types. |
| 10:30 | < randolph> | You don't have to |
| 10:30 | < randolph> | @ Duk |
| 10:30 | < Ceddo> | Just melt the danger. |
| 10:30 | < randolph> | Exactly |
| 10:30 | < Ceddo> | That 'frame is the only Arty? Melt it. |
| 10:30 | < randolph> | If there's danger everywhere... well.. then the board is even again |
| 10:31 | < randolph> | Level playing field |
| 10:31 | < Ceddo> | That is how you win. |
| 10:31 | < randolph> | *then* it's about who has more red, more spot, more blue |
| 10:31 | < Ceddo> | Identify threat. |
| 10:31 | < randolph> | ONLY then is it about blue |
| 10:31 | < Ceddo> | Remove threat. |
| 10:31 | < Ceddo> | Identify next threat. Remove threat. |
| 10:31 | < Ceddo> | Everything dies to focus fire. |
| 10:31 | < randolph> | Meanwhile, run around like a chicken with its head cut off |
| 10:31 | < randolph> | That's why green is better than blue |
| 10:31 | < Ceddo> | That, too. |
| 10:31 | < Ceddo> | Exactly. |
| 10:32 | < Ceddo> | Movement gives you TWO of the best defense options. |
| 10:32 | < Ceddo> | Range and cover. |
| 10:32 | < randolph> | Because this chicken can hurdle :D |
| 10:32 | < Ceddo> | Def gives you one option and it's the worst. :D |
| 10:33 | < randolph> | Hm, technically, when spotted, Defense halves damage on average as well, and unspotted, Defense totally negates damage. |
| 10:33 | < randolph> | It's just that Cover has synergy with range, but defense doesn't |
| 10:33 | < randolph> | Defense has synergy with cover though |
| 10:33 | < randolph> | hmmm |
| 10:34 | < randolph> | Technically, range doesn't have explicit synergy with cover... it has synergy in the form of getting 2-for-1 from movement |
| 10:36 | < randolph> | With defense and no cover, you will take damage equal to 1/3 Spot, on average. |
| 10:36 | < randolph> | With cover and no defense, you will take damage equal to 1/6 Spot + 1/6 Attack, on average |
| 10:37 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | isn't that 2/6 which is the same as 1/3? :P |
| 10:37 | < randolph> | Looks pretty equiv, really, except you can always have some Defense |
| 10:37 | < randolph> | Yeah, I'm trying to figure out why we thought Cover was just better |
| 10:37 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | heh |
| 10:37 | < randolph> | Range is definitely the best |
| 10:37 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | cos Ced has a personal vendetta against the colour blue :P |
| 10:38 | < randolph> | heh |
| 10:38 | < randolph> | No, no, I said it too |
| 10:38 | < randolph> | I'm trying to backtrack my reasoning, but it's 2:30 in the morning |
| 10:38 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | haha |
| 10:38 | < afny> | welp |
| 10:38 | < afny> | i'm making this frame 1df, 1b, 1g, 1y. |
| 10:38 | < randolph> | But, let's say for the sake of not melting my brain that defense is = cover |
| 10:38 | < afny> | but just because it looks cool that way. |
| 10:38 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | yay soldier frame |
| 10:39 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | see you can roll W for defense too |
| 10:39 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | if you really have to |
| 10:39 | < randolph> | that means 1G is still better than 1B, because movement is (1) Range + (Cover = Defense), while defense is (Cover = Defense) |
| 10:39 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | yep |
| 10:40 | < randolph> | There's very little reason for a second 1G, no reason for a second 1B (outside of specific specialty strat), but good reason for 2nd red (increased EV) and 2nd Y (global) |
| 10:40 | < Dukayn[AFK]> | My first frame for my company looks like it's going to be 2H 1Y 1G+d8 |
| 10:40 | < randolph> | So yeah, core of 1DF, 1Y, 1G + [1DF/1Y] |
| 10:42 | < randolph> | Hm. |
| 10:42 | < randolph> | The way cover and defense do their average is different |
| 10:42 | < randolph> | might have to explore that |
| 10:43 | < randolph> | cover is actually slightly worse than defense about "half damage" |
| 10:44 | < randolph> | When you get hit for N dice, 50% of the results are equally gone in and out of cover. |
| 10:44 | < randolph> | 1/6 results will always hit either way |
| 10:44 | < randolph> | So it's 66% the same either way |
| 10:45 | < randolph> | of that last 1/3, 1/6 of the time, you're damaging cover, and nonzero of that, you're losing cover. |
| 10:46 | < randolph> | hm. |
| 10:46 | < randolph> | It's too late for this. |
| 10:48 | < randolph> | I think I'm prepared to say that Defense without Cover is better than Cover without Defense |
| 10:51 | < randolph> | alright, nn all |
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| 11:07 | < Ceddo> | Dukey: True. |
| 11:07 | < Ceddo> | Blue can suck it. |
| 11:07 | < afny> | so this design is ENTIRELY a ripoff of Soren's take on the MgN, buut |
| 11:07 | < afny> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyanosmoros/7326160956/lightbox/ |
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| 11:09 | < Ceddo> | 2H 1Y 1G+d8 <-- Prolly a sloid HtH 'frame. |
| 11:09 | < Ceddo> | Only that HtH isn't solid. |
| 11:12 | < afny> | you see that gun? |
| 11:12 | < afny> | it's got a FORE GRIP |
| 11:20 | < Ceddo> | So tactical. |
| 11:22 | < afny> | I think this guy is either going to lead |
| 11:22 | < afny> | a rival band of mercs |
| 11:22 | < afny> | or it's going to be a UMFL detachment |
| 11:22 | < afny> | I can't decide if his "Captain" title is ironic or if he's actually military |
| 11:25 | < Ceddo> | Do the prior. |
| 11:25 | < Ceddo> | "Ask the Captain." - "He exmil or sumthin'?" - "Fuck if I know. Everyone calls him the Captain." |
| 11:26 | < afny> | I think I have a ton of parts for some conscripts |
| 11:26 | < afny> | could just make a simple company out of them and have him lead them |
| 11:26 | < Ceddo> | Too bad Conscripts look like ass compared to the rest. |
| 11:27 | < afny> | I think you're crazy man |
| 11:27 | < afny> | I love the conscript design |
| 11:27 | < afny> | admittedly they are kind of small |
| 11:27 | < Ceddo> | Flimsy, even. |
| 11:27 | < Ceddo> | Diminutive. |
| 11:27 | < afny> | you have to emphasize the front and a backpack |
| 11:27 | < Ceddo> | TINY. |
| 11:27 | < afny> | I think a big problem with most conscripts I see |
| 11:27 | < afny> | is the slope and the 2x2 front piece aren't the same color |
| 11:27 | < Ceddo> | Is that they are tiny. |
| 11:27 | < afny> | so they don't flow visually |
| 11:27 | < afny> | the MgN is small too |
| 11:27 | < Ceddo> | And they are tiny. |
| 11:28 | < Ceddo> | So tiny. |
| 11:29 | < afny> | hm |
| 11:29 | < afny> | HRM |
| 11:29 | < Ceddo> | I come from BattleTech. |
| 11:30 | < Ceddo> | I want ENGINES OF DESTRUCTION. |
| 11:30 | < afny> | but the conscripts are civilian suits |
| 11:30 | < Ceddo> | The LA02 are. |
| 11:30 | < afny> | I mean, I like a giant fuck-off killing machine as much as anyone but sometimes |
| 11:30 | < Ceddo> | The ST02 are not. |
| 11:30 | < afny> | you just get a little guy in a suit |
| 11:30 | < afny> | . |
| 11:30 | < Ceddo> | Wait. |
| 11:30 | < Ceddo> | I got just the right quote for that. |
| 11:31 | < afny> | but like |
| 11:31 | < Ceddo> | "It's like bringing a wet cookie to a bazooka fight. Someone MIGHT choke, but fuck, those guys can rocketjump while your cookie goes stale." |
| 11:31 | < afny> | That doesn't make ANY SENSE |
| 11:31 | < Ceddo> | What? That makes total sense. |
| 11:32 | < afny> | Neither guy ends up well in that scenario |
| 11:32 | < afny> | but I would rather be the one with the wet cookie |
| 11:32 | < afny> | than the one with no legs. |
| 11:32 | < afny> | okay so, you think THIS looks wimpy? |
| 11:32 | < afny> | http://nobsjustabs.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/conscript-ref.jpg |
| 11:33 | < afny> | because it's so tiny, so much of the concripts presence comes from color and the hardmounts |
| 11:33 | < Ceddo> | Pret-ty much. |
| 11:33 | < afny> | it's got a dinky little gun |
| 11:33 | < afny> | but it's still a fucking robot |
| 11:33 | < Ceddo> | Allow me to make my point. |
| 11:33 | < Ceddo> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/st14_fatadder_b3.png |
| 11:33 | < Ceddo> | This is my tiniest 'frame. |
| 11:34 | < afny> | Again, I think this is a problem of scale, not of actual size |
| 11:34 | < afny> | a conscript isn't half that height |
| 11:34 | < afny> | it's up to the trans-clear slope at least |
| 11:34 | < Ceddo> | Nah, he's about a brick smaller. |
| 11:34 | < afny> | that's pretty big |
| 11:34 | < afny> | yours just LOOKS so much bigger |
| 11:34 | < Ceddo> | Exactly. |
| 11:34 | < afny> | but it's because it looks like a battletech mech |
| 11:34 | < Ceddo> | That is what I mean. |
| 11:34 | < afny> | instead of a patlabor mech |
| 11:34 | < afny> | yeah, but what I mean is that it looks bigger because it looks like you built it at a smaller scale |
| 11:35 | < afny> | so COMPARED to it, everything about the conscript looks tiny |
| 11:35 | < afny> | but compared to a Chub, a conscript just looks shoddy, not small |
| 11:36 | < afny> | like, okay |
| 11:36 | < afny> | with the adder |
| 11:36 | < afny> | the top bit is the cockpit right |
| 11:36 | < afny> | like the guy sits above the T joint? |
| 11:37 | < Ceddo> | Yupp. |
| 11:37 | < Ceddo> | In the entire torso, that is. |
| 11:37 | < Ceddo> | Wide and deep. |
| 11:38 | < Ceddo> | Hence the enlongated shape behind the trans slope. |
| 11:38 | < Ceddo> | That's just his viewport. |
| 11:38 | < afny> | with the conscript, the whole front part and slope is basically just a guy |
| 11:38 | < Ceddo> | Yeah, I get it. |
| 11:38 | < Ceddo> | It's a large hardsuit. |
| 11:40 | < afny> | yeah I guess I don't really have a point |
| 11:41 | < Ceddo> | :D |
| 11:41 | < Ceddo> | Very good. |
| 11:41 | < afny> | I'm still going to build Conscripts damnit! |
| 11:42 | < afny> | my plan right now is to just build a ton of generic frames |
| 11:42 | < afny> | I pretty much only have like |
| 11:42 | < afny> | "unique" frames |
| 11:42 | < Ceddo> | And that's fine. |
| 11:42 | < afny> | so I just want a few conscripts, a few gray chubs, a couple hi-legs |
| 11:42 | < Ceddo> | You can build all the Conscripts you want, man. |
| 11:42 | < Ceddo> | They're just gonna look dinky. ^^ |
| 11:42 | < afny> | YOU CAN'T STOP ME |
| 11:42 | < Ceddo> | Oh, I won't. |
| 11:42 | < Ceddo> | I'll shoot them, though. |
| 11:42 | < afny> | they'll shoot RIGHT BACK |
| 11:42 | < afny> | they're JUST AS GOOD. |
| 11:42 | < Ceddo> | IGNORE. |
| 11:43 | < afny> | They've got GUNS. |
| 11:43 | < Ceddo> | The rule of cool protects me. |
| 11:43 | < afny> | Oh yeah well |
| 11:43 | < Ceddo> | Dinky guns. |
| 11:43 | < afny> | I'll make my conscripts RED |
| 11:43 | < afny> | and with FLAME decals |
| 11:43 | < afny> | and with ACTUAL flames. |
| 11:43 | < Ceddo> | Flammboyant dinks. |
| 11:43 | < afny> | EXACTLY. |
| 11:43 | < afny> | Also: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnderdogsNeverLose |
| 11:44 | < Ceddo> | They aren't underdods. |
| 11:44 | < Ceddo> | *underdogs |
| 11:44 | < Ceddo> | They are stormtroopers. |
| 11:44 | < Ceddo> | SHOULD BE AS GOOD AS ANYONE ELSE. |
| 11:44 | < Ceddo> | ARE TOTAL DINKS. |
| 11:44 | < afny> | I think that really depends on their motivation. |
| 11:44 | < afny> | Stormtroopers should totally be BETTER |
| 11:44 | < afny> | what the fuck does that armor even do |
| 11:44 | < Ceddo> | Let's hope their motivation is being dinky. |
| 11:44 | < Ceddo> | It's supposedly ablative. |
| 11:44 | < afny> | that's not very believable motivation |
| 11:44 | < Ceddo> | Yeah right. |
| 11:44 | < Ceddo> | Well, no, it is not. |
| 11:45 | < Ceddo> | But that's as close to reality as they can get. |
| 11:45 | < afny> | So now I'm just imagining them running around a construction site, smacking into girders and falling over |
| 11:45 | < afny> | and then being unable to stand up. |
| 11:46 | < Ceddo> | Sounds about right. |
| 11:46 | < Ceddo> | Today, we are going to have a rematch, Danni and I. |
| 11:46 | < afny> | Who is the UNDERDOG |
| 11:47 | < Ceddo> | I will field: 3x d6Rd d6Rd d8Rd d6Y d6G d6W d6W - d8Rr | 1x d6Rd d6Rd d6Y d6B d6G d6W d6W |
| 11:47 | < Ceddo> | Danni is. |
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| 12:02 | < afny> | dude |
| 12:02 | < afny> | I just saw your sword with minifig hands as a crossguard |
| 12:02 | < afny> | shiiit that looks good |
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| 14:03 | < KarolineDianne> | good morning everyone |
| 14:11 | < KarolineDianne> | !sunglasses |
| 14:11 | < mf0bot> | KarolineDianne: didn't recognise sunglasses |
| 14:11 | < KarolineDianne> | d'aww |
| 14:11 | < KarolineDianne> | I saw someone do that last night... |
| 14:36 | < KarolineDianne> | Fine, I see how it is. :I |
| 14:36 | | * KarolineDianne scoots off |
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| 17:28 | <~Noah> | Stairway to Heaven is an awesome song to play in Audiosurf |
| 17:29 | <~Noah> | I'll have to try it in Beat Hazard next |
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| 17:57 | < randolph> | morning/afternoon/evening gents |
| 17:58 | < infy> | hey |
| 17:59 | < Ceddo> | Holy shit I just got mauled. |
| 17:59 | < Ceddo> | Randy: Played Serpents against Night Raiders, full 5 vs. full 6, 2 stations each. |
| 17:59 | < Ceddo> | Serpent had 1 stations, 1 'frame (one white left) at round 6. |
| 17:59 | < Soren> | This sounds like a hell of a story. |
| 18:00 | < randolph> | What did Danni change? |
| 18:00 | < Ceddo> | Nightraiders had 3 stations, 4 'frames. Minor scratches on all of them. |
| 18:00 | < Ceddo> | Danni took Attackers, and switched to his full company. |
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| 18:00 | < Ceddo> | 2x DF DF B G, 2x A Y Y G (1x SSR), 2x DF Y B G - SSR. |
| 18:01 | < randolph> | What was it before? |
| 18:01 | < randolph> | nvm, checking forum |
| 18:01 | < Ceddo> | I had 2x DF DF Y G, 1x DF DF Y B, 1x DF Y B G, 1x A Y Y G. |
| 18:01 | < Ceddo> | Fast/Tough Big Guns do work. |
| 18:01 | < Ceddo> | Fast Arty works, but needs support. |
| 18:01 | < randolph> | Oh, ok, that doesn't look like doctrinal difference here |
| 18:02 | < randolph> | I thought perhaps maybe he'd gotten HtH to work |
| 18:02 | < Ceddo> | The Soldier got focused into a pulp. |
| 18:02 | < Ceddo> | Nah. |
| 18:02 | < Ceddo> | HtH was at no point an option. |
| 18:02 | < Ceddo> | It just never happened. |
| 18:02 | < randolph> | nod |
| 18:02 | < Ceddo> | Not even with hostile 'frames sharing cover. |
| 18:02 | < randolph> | I figured out an equivalency last night |
| 18:02 | < randolph> | Cover is actually worse than Def |
| 18:02 | < Ceddo> | Move and Shoot, Spot stack worked way better. |
| 18:02 | < Ceddo> | Yeah, I learned that, too, lol. |
| 18:03 | < Ceddo> | Anyway, I'll post the rematch, then the 3rd game. |
| 18:03 | < Ceddo> | Where I got destroyed. :D |
| 18:03 | < randolph> | And HtH's balance point is "66% activations of ranged against uncovered enemies / 33% activations of ranged against covered enemies" |
| 18:04 | < randolph> | i.e. "If DF gets to fire 6 times against uncovered in a match, HtH has to hit 4 times to equal it" |
| 18:04 | < randolph> | Assuming equal weapon dice and spotting from company |
| 18:05 | < randolph> | That latter figure (against covered enemies) is most interesting, because it's the largest difference |
| 18:05 | < randolph> | That tells me HtH only needs to hit TWICE in a given match to equal DF or Arty |
| 18:05 | < randolph> | (if you leverage the strengths) |
| 18:06 | < randolph> | Immediate warning flag: Strength drops off over time - 4 attacks at the beginning are going to hit harder than 4 attacks at the end |
| 18:07 | < randolph> | What did you call it? Combat damage threshold? |
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| 18:09 | < randolph> | hey MN |
| 18:09 | < MittenNinja> | Heya randy |
| 18:21 | < Ceddo> | Randy: Yupp. |
| 18:21 | < Ceddo> | It's a BattleTech term. |
| 18:22 | < Ceddo> | The CDT determines how much damage a given lance can take before combat efficiency drops below the point where winning is likely. |
| 18:22 | < Ceddo> | For example, in a vacuum, a Medium Mech will lose to a Heavy Mech. |
| 18:22 | < Ceddo> | But two Medium will win against one Heavy. |
| 18:23 | < Ceddo> | But two Medium in succession instead of at once will probably lose to one Heavy. |
| 18:23 | < Ceddo> | Now, three Medium in succession might take a Heavy. |
| 18:23 | < Ceddo> | The Heavy has the higher CDT. |
| 18:23 | < Ceddo> | Makes sense? |
| 18:23 | < Ceddo> | More offensive results in less damage taken, less damage taken results in more damage dealt, which results in less damage taken. |
| 18:24 | < randolph> | Yeah, I know the concept, I just didn't know the term |
| 18:24 | < randolph> | The term was immediately recognizable though, it was a good label |
| 18:24 | < Ceddo> | It's a pretty funky thing. |
| 18:24 | < Ceddo> | Danni and I played on 4ft x 4ft. |
| 18:24 | < randolph> | It's come up before in other settings... I don't remember |
| 18:24 | < Ceddo> | 3ft on 3ft before. |
| 18:25 | < Ceddo> | We think you need 5ft by 5ft, at least, for games with more than 7 'frame / side. |
| 18:25 | < Ceddo> | This game, I took 31 pictures, and documented almost every roll. |
| 18:25 | < Ceddo> | Long report is going to be long. |
| 18:25 | < randolph> | heh |
| 18:26 | < Soren> | but informative. |
| 18:27 | < Ceddo> | Some teasers. |
| 18:27 | < Ceddo> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/sl_nr_deploy.png |
| 18:27 | < Ceddo> | Where we started. |
| 18:27 | < Ceddo> | And yes, Porter is a beer. |
| 18:27 | < Ceddo> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/sl_nr_end.png |
| 18:28 | < Ceddo> | How it all ended. |
| 18:28 | < randolph[laptop]> | blugh, machine crashed |
| 18:28 | < Ceddo> | Still uploading. |
| 18:28 | < Ceddo> | Links are live. |
| 18:29 | < randolph[laptop]> | <Ceddo> And yes, Porter is a beer. |
| 18:29 | < randolph[laptop]> | Changes the meaning of Jagermech |
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| 18:30 | < Ceddo> | Didya see the pics? |
| 18:33 | < randolph[laptop]> | Part of them, I only had part load, reloading after I get my main machine up |
| 18:33 | < Ceddo> | [19:27:41] <Ceddo> http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/sl_nr_deploy.png |
| 18:33 | < Ceddo> | [19:27:56] <Ceddo> http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/sl_nr_end.png |
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| 18:34 | < randolph[laptop]> | huh, looks like a lot less cover than last time... is that true? |
| 18:37 | < Ceddo> | We actually added 5 cover elements. :D |
| 18:37 | < Ceddo> | Tire wall, two small walls and two U shapes. |
| 18:38 | < Ceddo> | So we bumped from 7 cover elements to 12. |
| 18:38 | < Ceddo> | But we also went 8 inches / 20cm in every direction wider. |
| 18:38 | < Ceddo> | For now, that's as large as we can put down in my room |
| 18:39 | < Ceddo> | But we might move to the hallway, and use the Anne-Frank-Memorial-Corner. |
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| 18:56 | < Soren> | hello! |
| 18:57 | < MittenNinja> | Heya |
| 18:57 | < MittenNinja> | Hows it going? |
| 18:58 | < Soren> | ONE COMPANY TO GO |
| 18:58 | < Soren> | My fingers hurt, is how. |
| 18:59 | < randolph> | Hey Ced: Based on MATHS, I think 1B is actually right on HtH |
| 18:59 | < randolph> | See my post in that "Why ever take 1B" thread |
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| 18:59 | < Ceddo> | Mhmm, gotcha. |
| 18:59 | < Ceddo> | Writing the second report, gimme a moment. |
| 19:00 | < randolph> | I even know how to calculate how likely HtH will get N attack activations a game, but it's long :| |
| 19:00 | < randolph> | Iterated branching probability eugh |
| 19:00 | < randolph> | I look at that and would rather finish my fic :p |
| 19:03 | < MittenNinja> | You crazy people and you statistics |
| 19:05 | < randolph> | Not all of us can contribute to the community with effortlessly beautiful designs, Mittens ; ; |
| 19:05 | < Ceddo> | Mittens: I habe bad news. |
| 19:05 | < Ceddo> | I just fielded 5 Serpents against 6 bandits. |
| 19:05 | < randolph> | Ced, your Deutschlich is showing |
| 19:06 | < Ceddo> | One Bloated Asp made it out on one white. :/ |
| 19:06 | < Ceddo> | Randy: Where? |
| 19:06 | < randolph> | "I habe bad news" |
| 19:06 | < Ceddo> | v and b are next to each other. |
| 19:06 | < randolph> | Hehe ok |
| 19:06 | < Ceddo> | More off a typo. |
| 19:06 | < randolph> | kk |
| 19:07 | < MittenNinja> | Yeah the legions track record isn't so hot so far |
| 19:07 | < randolph> | It won the first round of this scrum, then the cheaters brought in reinforcements |
| 19:08 | < randolph> | Totally not the Legion's fault |
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| 19:50 | < MittenNinja> | Hrm |
| 19:51 | < MittenNinja> | I hate how my phone keeps.disconnecting when this moves to the background |
| 19:51 | < Soren> | irritating |
| 19:51 | < Ceddo> | randy / mittens / Soren: http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1497&p=9826#p9816 |
| 19:51 | < Ceddo> | Rematch from yesterday. |
| 19:51 | < Ceddo> | SL vs. Raiders is coming next. |
| 19:58 | < Soren> | excellent |
| 19:59 | < Soren> | those tires look great as cover. |
| 20:03 | < Ceddo> | Yeah, they are just ... shit. :D |
| 20:03 | < Soren> | heh, yeah, i imagine they go down pretty fast. |
| 20:04 | < Ceddo> | Well, those are, what, 8 of them? |
| 20:04 | < Ceddo> | THat's one volley. |
| 20:04 | < Ceddo> | 4 to 6 high, though. |
| 20:04 | < Soren> | yeah |
| 20:04 | < Ceddo> | BUT it looks cool. |
| 20:04 | <~Noah> | GIVE ME YO MASON BRICKS |
| 20:04 | < Ceddo> | I'mma build a tire factory field one day. |
| 20:05 | < Ceddo> | Noah: I know, they are purty as fuck. |
| 20:07 | < Ceddo> | Okay, on to the next. |
| 20:08 | < randolph> | Heheh. |
| 20:14 | < Ceddo> | j twisted-mofos |
| 20:14 | < Ceddo> | THE THINGS I FAIL AT. |
| 20:15 | < Ceddo> | randy: http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/sl_nr_deploy.png |
| 20:15 | < Ceddo> | Now with names. |
| 20:15 | < Ceddo> | Oh. One is missing. |
| 20:15 | < Ceddo> | Great. |
| 20:16 | < randolph> | Is Delicious Dark Ale an objective or a unit~ |
| 20:16 | <~Noah> | it's cover, SHOOT IT |
| 20:16 | < Ceddo> | A resource. |
| 20:17 | < Ceddo> | A resource that died to the war effort. |
| 20:22 | < randolph> | Take my beer, take my frames / Take me where I cannot game / I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take my peaches from me |
| 20:23 | | * Noah applause-snaps |
| 20:23 | < randolph> | hehe |
| 20:23 | < randolph> | So Ced, it looks like the Legion won again |
| 20:24 | < Ceddo> | Where now? |
| 20:24 | < randolph> | oh, you linked me a different thing :| |
| 20:24 | < randolph> | Wait, so confused |
| 20:24 | < randolph> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1497&p=9826#p9823 |
| 20:25 | < randolph> | ^ That's the Legion's 2nd win, right? |
| 20:25 | < randolph> | So they won best 2 of 3? |
| 20:26 | < Ceddo> | 13th Guard, that's SU, not Legion. |
| 20:26 | < Ceddo> | Legion is UMFL. |
| 20:26 | < Ceddo> | 13th Guard is TEM. :D |
| 20:28 | < randolph> | Oh. |
| 20:31 | < Ceddo> | Hence, not Sandgreen/Black. |
| 20:31 | < Ceddo> | But Dark Blue/Grey. |
| 20:31 | < Ceddo> | I like my stations. |
| 20:31 | < Ceddo> | They are very functional. |
| 20:32 | < Soren> | You should try a three-objective game, with two players. |
| 20:32 | < randolph> | They look like Cheerleader Daleks |
| 20:32 | < randolph> | Which is awesome, btw. |
| 20:33 | < randolph> | EXHILARATE |
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| 20:39 | < Ceddo> | Okay, now to edit the pictures and get together what the fuck happened. |
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| 21:11 | < Ceddo> | randolph: First turn online. |
| 21:11 | < Ceddo> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1499&p=9833#p9833 |
| 21:13 | < randolph> | 2nd picture: The Game is A Foot |
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| 21:15 | < randolph> | Karoline: It's "!shades" that's why it didn't work earlier :) |
| 21:16 | < KarolineDianne> | ah! |
| 21:16 | < randolph> | afk a bit |
| 21:18 | < KarolineDianne> | It looks like Randolph just... |
| 21:18 | < KarolineDianne> | Ran off... |
| 21:18 | < KarolineDianne> | !shades |
| 21:19 | < KarolineDianne> | Ohgod that was so bad even the bot won't give me a YEAAAH |
| 21:19 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 21:19 | < KarolineDianne> | There we go... xD |
| 21:21 | < randolph> | (type !shades one line before you want it to respond, type your punchline, then it goes) |
| 21:21 | < Soren> | classy! |
| 21:21 | < KarolineDianne> | Ah |
| 21:22 | < KarolineDianne> | I thought my joke was so terrible that even the bot wouldn't give me credit |
| 21:23 | < randolph> | Noah, we have a project for you~ |
| 21:34 | < randolph> | alright, grabbing some lunch, afk |
| 21:47 | <~Noah> | Huhwhat? |
| 21:47 | < Ceddo> | Alright, the aspargus is cooking. |
| 21:47 | < Ceddo> | Not enough time for turn #2, though. :( |
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| 21:48 | <~Noah> | There's !shades, :shades:, !sunglasses, and !sunvitroj for my fellow Esperantistoj (ie, no one but me) |
| 21:49 | < Soren> | hah |
| 21:50 | <~Noah> | Vi ne komprendas... |
| 21:50 | <~Noah> | !sunvitroj |
| 21:50 | <~Noah> | La Internacia Lingvo |
| 21:50 | < mf0bot> | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 21:51 | < Ceddo> | I total understand your gibberish. |
| 21:51 | < KarolineDianne> | I have no idea what language that is. |
| 21:52 | < KarolineDianne> | Eigo ga hanashimashite kudasai? |
| 21:52 | < Soren> | Latin roots are so handy. You just tug, and tug, and up comes a carrot. |
| 21:52 | <~Noah> | I should make it go JEEEEEEAAAHH! instead, but that seems like work |
| 21:54 | <~Noah> | ?i estas Esperanto, a? La Internacia Lingvo. |
| 22:02 | < KarolineDianne> | Gomen, watashi wa wakarimasen. Eigo ga hanashimashite kudasai? |
| 22:02 | <~Noah> | Sorry, I don't understand. Can you speak english please? |
| 22:07 | < KarolineDianne> | ahaha you understood that? |
| 22:08 | <~Noah> | Miaj apologioj, mi ne komprenas. Vi povas parolas la anglan? |
| 22:09 | < Whitewolf> | jaja, fremdsprachenabend oder was? :D |
| 22:09 | <~Noah> | wut? |
| 22:09 | < Whitewolf> | ;D |
| 22:10 | < Whitewolf> | foreign-language-evening today |
| 22:10 | <~Noah> | Yea, I just got that translated |
| 22:15 | < KarolineDianne> | Did you use a transator to get mine, or are you actually familiar with Japanese? |
| 22:19 | <~Noah> | Familiar |
| 22:19 | <~Noah> | I studied briefly until I came to this realization: http://soyouwanttolearnjapanese.com/ |
| 22:20 | <~Noah> | Though I didn't see that site until much much later |
| 22:22 | < KarolineDianne> | I just like the language. |
| 22:22 | < Whitewolf> | yeah, asian languages are a pain to learn |
| 22:24 | <~Noah> | Yea, personally, I think everyone should learn Esperanto as a second language. It's relatively easy compared to many languages, and it's native to no one (well, relatively few) |
| 22:28 | < KarolineDianne> | I've never heard of Esperanto |
| 22:28 | < Whitewolf> | i?m planning to learn a few languages, but my lack of motivation has kept me from doing it till now xD |
| 22:29 | < KarolineDianne> | Just wait til you level up and put a skill point in language. You'll be fluent. |
| 22:29 | < Whitewolf> | xD |
| 22:30 | < Whitewolf> | i think i?ll start with spanish or something like that |
| 22:31 | < Whitewolf> | what really interests me is japanese and russian |
| 22:31 | < Whitewolf> | but in both cases, new writing and a different origin than german |
| 22:34 | <~Noah> | Meh, if I was going to bother with an asian language again, I'd do something useful, like Chinese. |
| 22:38 | < Whitewolf> | but what kind of chinese, there?s plenty to choose :D |
| 22:39 | < Soren> | I have this sinking feeling I'm going to trick myself into learning the local dialect of Chinese in KL. |
| 22:41 | < Ceddo> | Alright. Turn 2 was a slaughterfest. |
| 22:43 | < Ceddo> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1499&p=9834#p9834 |
| 22:43 | < Ceddo> | Look at it. |
| 22:43 | < Ceddo> | Raiders do a total of 10 DMG, causing 2 kills, and tag 2 stations. |
| 22:43 | < Ceddo> | Serpents deal 3 DMG, causing 1 kill, tagging 1 station. |
| 22:45 | < Soren> | Jesus. |
| 22:45 | < Soren> | You just like administering the hurt. |
| 22:50 | | * Ceddo played the Legion. |
| 22:50 | < Ceddo> | Danni played the Raiders. |
| 22:51 | < Soren> | ah, right. |
| 22:51 | < Soren> | still, this is pretty high-casualty. |
| 22:52 | | * KarolineDianne feels she's failed if she suffers even one casualty. |
| 22:52 | < Soren> | pff. That's what the recruiting station with the FREE BEER sign is for. |
| 22:52 | < KarolineDianne> | No, I mean in general... |
| 22:53 | < Soren> | I know. I'm being a jackass. |
| 22:53 | < KarolineDianne> | Every game I play, I go for a very.. Risilient force. |
| 22:53 | < KarolineDianne> | 40k, I play Chaos Marines, with lots of invulnerable saves. |
| 22:53 | < KarolineDianne> | In Warhammer Fantasy, I play Chaos Warriors of Tzeetch. Nothing in my army has worse than a 3+ armor save and 6+ ward save. |
| 22:54 | < KarolineDianne> | I planned on playing Khador in Warmachines, because they're the biggest, toughest, most heavily armored warjacks in the game. |
| 22:54 | < KarolineDianne> | In MTG, I run a skeleton deck. Absolutely nothing in my deck doesn't regenerate for 1 black mana. |
| 22:56 | < KarolineDianne> | in every rts I play, I turtle to hell and back. my strategy in Supreme Commander is to hide in a bubble of shields and build tech-3 artillery to shoot my enemy's base from my own. |
| 22:57 | | * Soren is seeing if 'FREE BEER' fits better in a 1x6 or 1x4 tile |
| 22:57 | < KarolineDianne> | It's just... How I play. |
| 22:57 | < Soren> | on* |
| 22:57 | < Soren> | I gathered. |
| 22:58 | < KarolineDianne> | So it's kind of instinctive for me to see every casualty as a failure. I'm used to playing big, strong, resilient forces, who are usually outnumbered. This is probably why I feel so compelled to grab 2d6B on most of my Frames. |
| 22:59 | < Soren> | I tend to play resilience by offense and good macro. |
| 22:59 | < Soren> | hurt the enemy, then snow them under with stuff. |
| 22:59 | < Soren> | if you lose something, always have another one. |
| 22:59 | < KarolineDianne> | I play resilience by 'WHY WON'T THEY DIE' |
| 23:00 | < Soren> | I make sure you have enough beer. |
| 23:00 | < Soren> | and* |
| 23:00 | < Ceddo> | Turn #3 and #4 is up. |
| 23:00 | < KarolineDianne> | I tried making a tyranid army once. I had an awesome idea of doing the Strogg from Quake, and using Tyranid rules... |
| 23:00 | < Ceddo> | They aren't exciting. |
| 23:01 | < KarolineDianne> | I tried it out and HATED it.... Because I just -cannot- do the 'swarm of replacable mooks' strategy. |
| 23:01 | < KarolineDianne> | Losing units HURTS me. |
| 23:01 | < KarolineDianne> | I cannot get into the 'meh, I have more of them' mindset. 'Sacrificing' a unit is utterly unthinkable as a strategy to me. |
| 23:02 | < KarolineDianne> | So I learned that I cannot play with 'Nid rules. :P |
| 23:02 | < Soren> | That's a pity. It's the funniest strategy. |
| 23:02 | < Soren> | often not a winning one, but it makes the game more entertaining. |
| 23:02 | < KarolineDianne> | When I played X-Com, I would reload the level every time one of my soldiers died. |
| 23:02 | < KarolineDianne> | My main games had a casualty rate of 0, because I would never accept letting anyone die. |
| 23:04 | < KarolineDianne> | Sorry if I'm yammering on too much... |
| 23:07 | < Soren> | nope, i think you just hit a lull in the channel. |
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| 23:09 | < Soren> | evening. |
| 23:09 | < Tetrajak> | Heya |
| 23:09 | < Whitewolf> | hiho tetra |
| 23:10 | < Tetrajak> | A certain Ced32ric recommended I join in the IRC, which I have known about and not made the effort to do so, until now |
| 23:10 | < Ceddo> | YES. |
| 23:10 | < Ceddo> | Herrow, TJ. :) |
| 23:10 | < Soren> | We are pretty fucking great. |
| 23:10 | < Tetrajak> | Haha, there you are Ced |
| 23:11 | < Soren> | Also I show off stuff I haven't posted yet. |
| 23:11 | < Ceddo> | So do I. |
| 23:11 | < Tetrajak> | Now; THERE is a great motivation to join this IRC |
| 23:11 | < Ceddo> | It's like the VIP club. |
| 23:11 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/nqjt0m3vm1vsxqi/Moon%20Fang%20Tribe.jpg Witness. |
| 23:11 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/rppfdt1dyiueplk/Sisters%20of%20the%20Dreaming%20Blade. jpg |
| 23:12 | < Tetrajak> | Haha, don't tell the rest of the Mof0's that you think this is VIP, then it'll be swamped ;P |
| 23:12 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/n9lnydhifflufxy/I-ST-05A%20Slammer.jpg |
| 23:12 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/ypkk5ieeimff36i/I-ST-04Y%20Super%20Strider%20Command.J PG |
| 23:12 | < Tetrajak> | @Soren; you really just wanted to build some pink and purple frames, didn't you? |
| 23:12 | < Soren> | I really, really did. |
| 23:13 | < Tetrajak> | I don't blame you, I'm tempted to make purple frames as well |
| 23:13 | < Soren> | I got Ced all converted, too. |
| 23:13 | < Tetrajak> | Hahaha |
| 23:16 | < Tetrajak> | I admit, I'm currently drafting out a company of Ijad frames based on chess pieces |
| 23:16 | < Soren> | most excellent |
| 23:16 | < Tetrajak> | but I have no pretty pictures to share, such as you have |
| 23:16 | < Soren> | I love seeing the funky concepts people come up with. |
| 23:16 | < Tetrajak> | Yea, there's some really awesome stuff in the minds of other people |
| 23:20 | <~Noah> | Greeting Tetrajak |
| 23:20 | < Tetrajak> | Heya Noah |
| 23:21 | <~Noah> | Got distracted with my old Olivetti-Underwood typewriter, hah |
| 23:25 | < Soren> | very nice |
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| 23:30 | < Ceddo> | TJ, lemme show you. |
| 23:31 | < Ceddo> | http://www.dukayn.net/MFZ/AotMUC.png |
| 23:32 | < Tetrajak> | Those are rather gigantic, and purple |
| 23:33 | <~Noah> | http://machinesoflovinggrace.com/large/OliUndiStudio44.jpg |
| 23:34 | <~Noah> | Mine was made after Olivetti bought up enough stock to own the company, so it says Olivetti-Underwood instead of what that picture shows |
| 23:34 | < Soren> | those keys are a really lovely design. Satisfying to type on, I bet. |
| 23:35 | <~Noah> | It was when I was learning to type, it's kind of cumbersome to type on now, haha |
| 23:35 | < Soren> | makes sense. |
| 23:35 | < Ceddo> | Battle Report: Done. |
| 23:35 | < Ceddo> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1499 |
| 23:35 | | * KarolineDianne wishes there was a way to field a company of a few really tough Frames as an offense, rather than having to rely on numbers. |
| 23:35 | < Ceddo> | Result: Blow Out. |
| 23:36 | | * KarolineDianne is a huge fan of the 'Courtyard full of fifty orks. Four space marines drop in. Thirty seconds later, no more orks. Four space marines claim the courtyard.' thing. |
| 23:37 | < Tetrajak> | I admit, that is definitely an attractive part of 40K |
| 23:38 | < Tetrajak> | being able to field a single, ridiculously powerful unit, against a great number of much less powerful units |
| 23:38 | < Tetrajak> | But then, that's what fan rules are for, right? |
| 23:38 | < KarolineDianne> | I don't like 'super-saiyan' OP, and I'm not fond of 'teenage pilot in bright-colored mech killing a zillion mooks a scene' thing... But I like being able to take quality over quantity and still count as being the offence. |
| 23:39 | < KarolineDianne> | Like... Hey, he's only got three fram- OHSHIT THEY'RE ALL TERMINATORS |
| 23:40 | < KarolineDianne> | I played against a Dark Angels Deathwing army once... He had a forth as many models on the field... He wiped the floor with me... Because every single one of them was a terminator. |
| 23:41 | < KarolineDianne> | That, and it's really -awesome- to watch like... One Chosen chaos marine Champion take on 16 tyranid gaunts and come out alive. |
| 23:41 | < Soren> | K: one way to simulate that visually is to make the other guy's units out of two smaller frames instead of one. |
| 23:41 | < KarolineDianne> | I suppose |
| 23:42 | < Soren> | IT's what Conscripts are for, after all :) |
| 23:43 | < Tetrajak> | or you could use some of the hardsuit designs that people have come up with for MFZ, and field groups of 4 of them, versus your frames |
| 23:43 | < Tetrajak> | for an even greater ratio |
| 23:43 | < Tetrajak> | difference+ |
| 23:43 | < Soren> | yeah. |
| 23:43 | < KarolineDianne> | And while that makes sense, it's slightly backwards... In that most people wouldn't think of that, and so if you want to be the 'few tougher guys', you have to actively find someone who goes out of their way to make the 'army of little guys who count as frames in groups' |
| 23:44 | < KarolineDianne> | It works it you want to be more guys, but if you want to be fewer guys, you're boned unless you find someone to play the more guys. |
| 23:45 | < KarolineDianne> | Because while you can split one Frame into a group of little ones that act as one, you can't combine two frames into one. |
| 23:45 | < Tetrajak> | Or you could make both sides, and find someone who was willing to take on your fewer guys with your more guys |
| 23:46 | < Ceddo> | 4 Space Marines die to 50 Orks. |
| 23:46 | < KarolineDianne> | I'm talking more in a 'getting together with people who already play and have armies' sense... Like you would if you were going to a GW store to play warhammer. |
| 23:46 | < KarolineDianne> | In game, sure, Ceddy. Not in Fluff |
| 23:46 | < Ceddo> | Orks have T4, and they also have one gajillion melee attacks. |
| 23:46 | < KarolineDianne> | I'm talking about fluff-marines. The ones you see in the vidya games. |
| 23:46 | < Ceddo> | Also, normal SM don't have EW. The take a single S8 hit and evaporate. Even Vets etc. |
| 23:47 | < KarolineDianne> | Ceddy you're missing my point |
| 23:47 | < Ceddo> | Well yeah. Those have Matt Ward jerk protection. |
| 23:47 | < Ceddo> | YOu are missing mine. :D |
| 23:47 | < Ceddo> | Point is, Orks are dirt cheap and can take SM. They just flood them. |
| 23:47 | < KarolineDianne> | Space Marine, the game, is the most fluff/lore accurate 40k game there is, concerning spess mareens |
| 23:48 | < Ceddo> | Except for when you don't die. |
| 23:48 | < KarolineDianne> | Because you ARE A BADASS |
| 23:48 | < Ceddo> | Because you are playing a shooter. |
| 23:48 | < Ceddo> | Like CoD, BF3, etc. |
| 23:48 | < Ceddo> | But, true. |
| 23:48 | < Ceddo> | Plasma Pistol / Power Axe / Jetpack prawns pretty hard. |
| 23:49 | < Ceddo> | Orks die all around. :D |
| 23:49 | < Ceddo> | SM was a fun game. |
| 23:49 | < Ceddo> | Mindless, but fun. |
| 23:50 | < KarolineDianne> | My point is, I like to play a force of strong, resilient units. Perhaps few in number, but superior in quality. |
| 23:50 | < Soren> | You guys need to cool it or I need to arrange to be not sober. |
| 23:50 | < KarolineDianne> | Or at the very least, stick around for a long time. |
| 23:50 | < Soren> | I'm fine with either. |
| 23:51 | < KarolineDianne> | Cool what...? |
| 23:51 | < Soren> | the nerdfighty. |
| 23:52 | < Ceddo> | SM cannot tarpit well. :| |
| 23:52 | < Ceddo> | They can hold for a long time when in heavy cover, though. |
| 23:53 | < Ceddo> | SM are easy. Simple units, you get a lot of bang for the buck, quite versatile. And resilient. |
| 23:53 | < Ceddo> | They allow for mistakes. |
| 23:53 | < Ceddo> | But they aren't invincible. Or overpowered. |
| 23:54 | < Ceddo> | The reality of it, though, that each loss hurts twice as bad. |
| 23:54 | < KarolineDianne> | Note that I vastly prefer the more fluff-accurate depiction in say, Dawn of War II, wherein squads were 3-4 marines, than the VERY fluff-inaccurate depiction in the tabletop game. |
| 23:54 | < Ceddo> | SM are small scale action units, that require synergy to best numbers. |
| 23:54 | < Ceddo> | Well, you are calling for fan service. |
| 23:55 | < Ceddo> | Matt Ward has no concept of balancing, other than upwards arms races in favor of his beloved SMs. Especially, Ultramarines. :D |
| 23:55 | < Ceddo> | DoW, again, is a hero squad game. You can't really lose unless you're ... unsmart. Of course, because you are supposed to have these guys survive for a long campaign. |
| 23:56 | < KarolineDianne> | It -really- annoys me that every scrap of fluff in the books goes 'They are 8 foot tall super-soldiers who wear the best armor and wield the best weapons the Imperium has. They know no fear and can match foes who outnumber them 20 to 1' |
| 23:56 | < Ceddo> | So, it's not an accurate depiction. Can't be, because it would be unfun to lose your guys you are supposed to grow attached to. |
| 23:56 | < KarolineDianne> | And then in-game I have 3 squads of 10, and they drop like flies |
| 23:56 | < Ceddo> | Against who? |
| 23:56 | < Ceddo> | Not against Cultists. |
| 23:57 | < Ceddo> | Fo sho against Nobz. |
| 23:57 | < Ceddo> | But why? Because the Nobz melee them. |
| 23:57 | < KarolineDianne> | No. Tau, necrons, dark eldar |
| 23:57 | < Ceddo> | Oh, of course. |
| 23:57 | < KarolineDianne> | other space marines |
| 23:57 | < Ceddo> | Tau have the biggest guns. |
| 23:57 | < Ceddo> | Far superior to Imperium tech. |
| 23:57 | < Ceddo> | The basic foot soldier has S5 weaponry with 6" more movement. |
| 23:57 | < Ceddo> | *range |
| 23:57 | < KarolineDianne> | I just hate the inconsistency. |
| 23:58 | < Ceddo> | No, you hate the difference to your perception. :D |
| 23:58 | < KarolineDianne> | I'd much rather have all space marines basically count as terminators, and be super-expensive and in small numbers |
| 23:58 | < KarolineDianne> | Uh |
| 23:58 | < Ceddo> | Terminators are an entire different leaf. |
| 23:58 | < Ceddo> | *ly |
| 23:58 | < KarolineDianne> | You mean the inconsistency between what the fluff explicitely states, and what the in-game rules are. |
| 23:59 | < Ceddo> | Drop 5 of those with SS/SH, and shit goes down. |
| 23:59 | < KarolineDianne> | SH? |
| 23:59 | < Ceddo> | Err, TH. |
| 23:59 | < Ceddo> | Stormshield, Thunderhammer. |
| 23:59 | < Ceddo> | Stunning S8 powered goodness on a armor 2+, invul 4+ 'frame. |
| --- Log closed Mon Jun 04 00:00:07 2012 |