mf0 logs -> 2012 -> Sun, 27 May 2012< mf0.20120526.log - mf0.20120528.log >
--- Log opened Sun May 27 00:00:10 2012
--- Day changed Sun May 27 2012
00:00
< afny|mac>
made a Sazabi chub
00:00
< afny|mac>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyanosmoros/7275824590/in/photostream/lightbox/
00:01
< afny|mac>
no funnels though
00:01
< Soren>
alas.
00:01
< Soren>
spiffy, though.
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00:22
<~Noah>
Okay, so I have 35 lots on this order
00:25
< afny|mac>
is that a lot? I don't understand how lots are determined
00:26
< afny|mac>
A few stores I bought from warned not to rack up "ludicrous numbers of lots", but I wasn't sure if 20 was ludicrous.
00:27
<~Noah>
Usually not, but they should specify what they consider to be too many lots
00:27
<~Noah>
Because I've seen one store that charged like .25c for lots over 10
00:27
<~Noah>
Closed tab so hard
00:29
<~Noah>
Most don't mind as long as you have $1 average per lot
00:29
< afny|mac>
Is it just one lot per part?
00:29
<~Noah>
Basically
00:29
< afny|mac>
...oh. Well I had a lot that were below a dollar.
00:30
<~Noah>
So like 3 new white travis bricks, 3 used black travis bricks, 2 used gray travis bricks would be three lots
00:31
<~Noah>
And it's okay if some are under a dollar, it's based on average
00:31
<~Noah>
If you order say, 35 lots, they like to see at least $35 subtotal or better
00:32
<~Noah>
Some stores don't care, so I just mind the splash pages and store terms pages
00:32
<~Noah>
And some stores care alot, sooo
00:32
<~Noah>
yea
00:32
<~Noah>
Yay marketplace social dynamics
00:33
< Soren>
yay, I guess.
00:34
<~Noah>
I do make exceptions when I buy all of something they have left, I figure they shouldn't need to count them if they've been inventorying correctly
00:34
< Soren>
http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=mnementh&itemID=32213509 If you need a lot of anything, this guys is both excellent and has a shit-ton of parts.
00:35
<~Noah>
God damn, 73c for a T-bar?
00:36
< afny|mac>
some of this stuff is really cheap though
00:36
< afny|mac>
1x1 bricks with handles for instance
00:36
< afny|mac>
which I need
00:36
<~Noah>
I guess, but I need a lot of t-bars
00:36
< afny|mac>
can't ever get anything at a good deal if you only shop at one store
00:36
< afny|mac>
true in bricklink, true in life
00:38
<~Noah>
Yea, I found a pretty good store
00:38
<~Noah>
http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=pdx1rdr&itemID=30032533
00:39
<~Noah>
He also has square frames~
00:39
<~Noah>
But don't buy any, because I'm getting them all
00:39
<~Noah>
afk a bit
00:40 * afny|mac buys them all
01:10
< Soren>
Something I have discovered about Bricklink: sometimes, if you want your parts fast and accurate, it's better to place three orders in three different shops than to buy everything in one place.
01:11
< Soren>
Both because you're less likely to have errors, and because three people pulling parts in parallel (say that three times fast and I owe you a beer) will get your stuff in the mail faster.
01:12
< afny|mac>
that's what I did
01:12
< afny|mac>
3/4 orders shipped in two days
01:12
< Soren>
yeah.
01:12
< afny|mac>
and it was way cheaper even with shipping considered
01:12
< Soren>
shipping costs are a bit of a joke.
01:13
< afny|mac>
luckily most of the stores I ordered from were just like yeah just pay us for however much the stamps cost
01:13
< Soren>
Unless you're having something FedExed, they shouldn't factor into your cost considerations.
01:13
< afny|mac>
a few of them had small packing fees, but whatever
01:14
< afny|mac>
I sort of considered them, because I wasn't spending more than 15 bucks at any given store
01:14
< Soren>
true. I've kind of surpassed the point where I need les than 20 of most parts, so I tend to make big orders less often.
01:14
< Soren>
less*
01:14
< Soren>
And I've been broke in the past.
01:15
< afny|mac>
I kind of just ordered a bunch of random stuff in the hopes that I'd be able to make one or two of any kind of frame I could design in grey and black
01:15
< Soren>
That's a good idea starting out.
01:15
< Soren>
Just get a bunch of parts that look neat and experiment.
01:15
< afny|mac>
and I'll definitely have enough with just the parts I ordered and my old bricks to field any kind of company when a game comes up
01:16
< afny|mac>
well not any kind of company...a full Ijad force would be a challenge if I wanted it to look good
01:16
< afny|mac>
but I'm more into making my own frames with these bits anyway
01:16
< afny|mac>
these new gray bits I mean
01:17
< afny|mac>
if I sort out my minifigs and get them sold, I'll use the profits to buy some accent color tiles
01:17
< afny|mac>
and wedges
01:19
< Soren>
a good, solid plan.
01:20
< Soren>
The 'canonical' frame are really just meant to be guidelines in any case.
01:20
< Soren>
+s
01:21
< afny|mac>
Yeah. I built my whole first company out of a different frame entirely, and only started building Chubs when I found random taps in my bin as I was sorting
01:21
< afny|mac>
I never really viewed the game as, "Well, I'm going to field a UNION army"
01:22
< afny|mac>
really now that I've started building, my interests are pretty quickly expanding into other stuff as well
01:22
< afny|mac>
I just want to build, not necessarily for mfz
01:23
< afny|mac>
(but still for that too)
01:24 * Soren does a little fist-pump of victory.
01:25
< afny|mac>
-_-
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01:27
< Soren>
People who want to play the game are cool, but I was hoping we'd get a few people at least who just like making stuff.
01:29
< afny|mac>
it's definitely the making stuff aspect of the game that drew me to it in the first place
01:29
< afny|mac>
well, and the robots
01:30
< afny|mac>
I'm not what you would call a war gamer
01:30
< afny|mac>
but then again I hadn't touched my legos in years so
01:30
< afny|mac>
score.
01:33
< Soren>
indeed.
01:36
< afny|mac>
so I'm trying to make that giant annoying forcefield frame, right
01:36
< afny|mac>
with the half-domes
01:36
< afny|mac>
what do you think its other two systems should be
01:36
< afny|mac>
2y?
01:37
< afny|mac>
or 1y 1g?
01:37
< Soren>
2y plus the green d8 seems... wow, that guy's a dick.
01:37
< afny|mac>
hm
01:38
< Soren>
a double dick if he's got all your 1-shots.
01:38
< afny|mac>
it'd be pretty hilarious
01:38
< Soren>
"Yeah I'm fast, I can spot anywhere, oh, and not only can I still shoot you, but you can't hurt the other guys cowering under my shield."
01:38
< Soren>
I"m in favor. Go for it.
01:39
< afny|mac>
I was originally thinking I'd move the shield on and off the battlefield to simulate projection, but I think that's kinda...eh...so I'm going to build it so the shield is always on
01:40
< Soren>
yeah.
01:45
<~Noah>
Let's see, are there any other staple pieces I need
01:46
< afny|mac>
urgh
01:46
< afny|mac>
I have 3/4 of a dome
01:48
<~Noah>
Axle, taps, technic brick with hole, 1x1 with vertical clip, plate with thick ring, plate with clip horizontal and vertical, headlights, jumpers, some wing ends, turntables, mechanical arms, 1x1 tiles and plates, t-bars, travis bricks...
01:49
< Soren>
that should hook you up.
01:50
< Soren>
if they're not too expensive, 1x1 slopes, too.
01:50
< Soren>
superhandy
01:50
<~Noah>
Yea, some 2/3 slopes should be good
01:51
< afny|mac>
did you get
01:51
< afny|mac>
claws?
01:51
<~Noah>
Already have some
01:51
<~Noah>
Probably could use some more though
01:52
< afny|mac>
wow these quarterdomes cost a buck each
01:52
< afny|mac>
maybe I should only use 3 anyway, so other frames can actually get INSIDE the bubble
01:53
< Soren>
I was thinking it would be separate, so it could just be lifted up and set back down
01:53
< Soren>
also, glamour shots.
01:54
< afny|mac>
well it will be separate, but during a game, I'm not sure how other players would feel if I was constantly lifting up my forcefield so other frames could get in it for cover
01:54
< Soren>
I don't think there's be a scandal unless they saw some ankle.
01:54
< Soren>
-s +d
01:55
< afny|mac>
they be seein' that ankle all day
01:55
< afny|mac>
this frame is a flapper.
01:55
< Soren>
hee
01:59
< Soren>
Okay, time for some purples.
02:18
< Soren>
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rppfdt1dyiueplk/Sisters%20of%20the%20Dreaming%20Blade. jpg
02:22
< afny|mac>
wow, they do look good in purple
02:22
< Soren>
Yeah, I was surprised.
02:22
< afny|mac>
I always played purple protoss so I'm slightly less surprised
02:23
< Soren>
See, I always play Protoss in teal or blue.
02:23
< afny|mac>
teal protoss is good protoss too
02:23 * Soren casts a glance towards his meager supply of teal.
02:23
< Soren>
Mostly, though, Terran for me.
02:23
< afny|mac>
I haven't played since brood war and I didn't play it competetively
02:24
< afny|mac>
I think about getting into sc2 every once and a while and bringing back the purple protoss but
02:24
< afny|mac>
it's kind of a commitment
02:24
< Soren>
me neither, but I do love me some Starcraft.
02:24
< Soren>
That it is
02:24
< Soren>
well, you can look me up if you decide to drop the $60.
02:24
< afny|mac>
I will eventually, it's not the kind of game that goes away
02:24
< Soren>
I play under the username 'MightyNoms'
02:25
< afny|mac>
need a computer that doesn't randomly power off before I get a new game
02:25
< Soren>
that does seem like a good idea.
02:25
< afny|mac>
hm
02:26
< afny|mac>
I guess I could get it for this laptop
02:26
< afny|mac>
it's pretty low rent right
02:26
< afny|mac>
GPU wise?
02:26
< Soren>
with the settings cranked down, sure.
02:26
< afny|mac>
pretty sure if I buy it on battlenet I can install it on both
02:27
< afny|mac>
what league are you in?
02:27
< Soren>
You know, I don't think I've done any laddering.
02:28
< Soren>
Nothing impressive
02:28
< afny|mac>
I only vaguely know what the leagues are, I just figured I'd ask
02:29
< Soren>
Yeah, I tend to find people I can dick around with before going out to get my face rolled by 13-year-olds
02:29
< afny|mac>
dicking around in starcraft is the best
02:29
< Soren>
indeed.
02:29
< afny|mac>
actually I forgot, I did play a little bit of brood war again like two years ago
02:29
< Soren>
and the finest dickery is monobattling.
02:29
< afny|mac>
just with a group of friends
02:29
< afny|mac>
and this one guy just pissed everyone off with guardian micro
02:30
< afny|mac>
and mutalisk micro
02:30
< Soren>
mass science vessel is annoying too.
02:30
< afny|mac>
he'd just come in and wreck your base from out of range with guardians, and when people FINALLY figured out how to beat it, he just did muta
02:30
< afny|mac>
science vessel has the added benefit of the best voice clips on terran
02:30
< Soren>
precisely.
02:31
< Soren>
but Irradiate is hideous on Zerg when you have, say, thirty of them.
02:31
< afny|mac>
Ahh, I really want to play now
02:31
< afny|mac>
but I'll get so sucked in
02:31
< Soren>
and by 'hideous' I mean funny as hell.'
02:32
< Soren>
I've got BW on here somewhere, I'd be up for a quick game of around-dickery.
02:32
< afny|mac>
lemme see if I have it installed
02:33
< Soren>
I"m not playing TvP, though, just to warn you. I can't handle that shit without Marauders anymore.
02:33
< afny|mac>
I don't have it and the only disks I have right here are diablo and nwn
02:33
< afny|mac>
I'll install it tomorrow, though, if you'll be around
02:34
< Soren>
potentially!
02:34
< afny|mac>
I'll probably play zerg anyway
02:34
< Soren>
I'll have to see what's going down tomorrow.
02:34
< Soren>
but I bet I can find half an hour to get my ass stomped.
02:34
< afny|mac>
pretty sure I can find my disks, so I'll be down whenever
02:35
< afny|mac>
and you're severely overestimating my ability
02:35
< Soren>
I stumble a lot with the old interface.
02:35
< afny|mac>
Ah, since you're used to 2?
02:36
< Soren>
it'll be a comedy of errors.
02:36
< afny|mac>
I guess I don't have that PARTICULAR problem, but that doesn't mean I'm GOOD at the interface
02:36
< Soren>
Yeah. multiple building selection + worker rally spoils you.
02:38
< afny|mac>
I totally found my disks
02:38
< afny|mac>
now to see if I can install them without losing power
02:40
< Soren>
whee!
02:44
< afny|mac>
this is actually going to be embarassing
02:44
< afny|mac>
I'm not sure if I know a single matchup
02:45
< afny|mac>
and I have no muscle memory of the UI at all
02:45
< afny|mac>
i'm basically going to be playing starcraft 64
02:46
< Soren>
Well, let's both just take it super easy.
02:47
< Soren>
me e-peen isn't on the line and neither (I hope) is yours.
02:47
< Soren>
my*
02:47
< afny|mac>
I'm not worried about getting horribly crushed, I'm just worried about breaking out in a nervous sweat.
02:48
< afny|mac>
hm
02:48
< afny|mac>
fuck
02:48
< afny|mac>
I forgot about new battlenet
02:48
< afny|mac>
how does this stuff work
02:49
< Soren>
hang on, desk covered in Lego.
02:49
< Soren>
you should be able to just go in and create a new account from the game.
02:49
< afny|mac>
oh, okay, they didn't disable that?
02:51
< afny|mac>
let me eat this pasta really quick, then I'm ready
02:51
< afny|mac>
I think that patch worked, it only took seconds
02:57
< afny|mac>
okay, let me just create an account
02:57
< afny|mac>
and I'm ready
02:57
< Soren>
okay!
02:58
< afny|mac>
hm
02:58
< afny|mac>
my colors are all fucked up
02:59
< Soren>
game name 'SandInMyPants', password 'MoF0'
02:59
< afny|mac>
what compatibility mode are you using?
02:59
< Soren>
I'll brb.
02:59
< Soren>
um.
02:59
< Soren>
I haven't the faintest.
03:01
< afny|mac>
okay, closing explorer fixed it :\
03:02
< afny|mac>
aaaand there goes the power
03:02
< Soren>
b
03:02
< Soren>
whoops!
03:03
< afny|mac>
one more try
03:04
< afny|mac>
sometimes I wish I spent that 60 bucks on a new harddrive instead of LEGO
03:04
< afny|mac>
but then again...
03:05
< Soren>
the eternal dilemma.
03:05
< afny|mac>
It's such a first world problem I can't even consider it.
03:05
< afny|mac>
so is this on bnet
03:05
< afny|mac>
or custom
03:06
< afny|mac>
or is that only diablo, I can't see the screen
03:06
< Soren>
should be on bnet, but try both
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03:06
< Soren>
I don't know how this shit works, I just draw pretty pictures ;)
03:06
< afny|mac>
yeah there is no custom, that was just a diablo thing
03:06
< afny|mac>
uh
03:07
< KarolineDianne>
Hmm?
03:07
< Soren>
attempting to set up a game of Starcraft.
03:07
< KarolineDianne>
Bleh
03:08
< Soren>
Do you also hate puppies and sunshine?
03:08
< Soren>
;)
03:08
< KarolineDianne>
:P
03:08
< KarolineDianne>
I used to like Starcraft
03:08
< KarolineDianne>
Then I played SC2 and was sorely disappointed.
03:08
< KarolineDianne>
Probably because I got spoiled by Supreme Commander.
03:09
< Soren>
Alas, I cannot wfford to switch platforms for SupCom, so SC2 satisfies.
03:09
< Soren>
-w +a
03:09
< afny|mac>
oh
03:09
< afny|mac>
you were on WEST
03:09
< afny|mac>
duh
03:09
< Soren>
oh, duh.
03:09
< Soren>
sorry.
03:09
< afny|mac>
k, ready I guess
03:10
< Soren>
okay!
03:10
< Soren>
periscope down!
03:12
< KarolineDianne>
I was so excited for SC2, since I loved it when I was little... But after getting used to the true-scale of SupCom and how massive it is, SC2 felt... Tiny. Inadequate, and weird. Having a GIANT mech with artillery on it was cool, then I realized it's range was like, ten feet.
03:12
< KarolineDianne>
And I was like... Why
03:16
< KarolineDianne>
I'm also used to my units actually doing stuff without me specifically telling them to. So when I had a defensive line of zealots and spider-tanks next to my base, and and none of them noticed the zerg force invading... I got a little miffed.
03:22 * KarolineDianne lobs artillery from across the 80km map until people stop being quiet... >.>
03:30
< KarolineDianne>
Question. I want to watch Votoms to give it a try. Where should I look for it? I'm having no luck searching on the gooooogle
03:43
< KarolineDianne>
OKay then, nevermind.
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03:44
< afny|mac>
fuuck
03:44
< afny|mac>
well, when you see this
03:44
< afny|mac>
it powered off again
03:44
< afny|mac>
t
03:44
< Soren>
Well. That was pretty satisfying.
03:44
< afny|mac>
Yes, I imagine
03:44
< afny|mac>
haha
03:44
< Soren>
Holy shit I was winning.
03:45
< afny|mac>
I think it's safe to say you was WON.
03:45
< afny|mac>
my torrent for a mac version is almost done so if we play again
03:45
< Soren>
Yeah, just a matter of time. I had both island expansions and I was dropping tanks on 'em
03:45
< afny|mac>
at least we can play it all the way through
03:45
< afny|mac>
I learned my lesson about the medics first
03:45
< afny|mac>
I was so excited, I was like
03:45
< afny|mac>
I'LL MICRO THESE ZERGLINGS
03:45
< afny|mac>
KILL THE HEALERS RIGHT
03:45
< Soren>
Medics are fucking BROKEN.
03:45
< afny|mac>
no, they're unkillable GODESSES
03:46
< afny|mac>
shiit
03:46
< Soren>
too tough to kill.
03:46
< Soren>
Yeah.
03:46
< Soren>
whoo.
03:46
< afny|mac>
hey it dinged
03:46
< afny|mac>
MY TORRENT
03:47
< afny|mac>
well
03:47
< afny|mac>
I don't think i'll be able to help buying sc2 now
03:47
< afny|mac>
despite how absolutely atrocious that was
03:47
< Soren>
I have husbandly snuggles to administer to the wife, but I will be back for another round in a few.
03:47
< afny|mac>
o7
03:47
< Soren>
No, that was pretty good. I out-macroed you, but you didn't actually fuck up.
03:48
< afny|mac>
there was a point where I was trying to unburrow a lot of zerglings
03:48
< afny|mac>
and then I looked at my chat and it just said
03:48
< afny|mac>
uuuuuuuou ouououuuuuu
03:48
< afny|mac>
but other than that
03:48
< afny|mac>
nope.
03:48
< afny|mac>
I didn't fuck up.
03:50
< Soren>
yeah.
03:50
< afny|mac>
brb
03:50
< Soren>
Okay, you wanna try the same map, or something else?
03:50
< Soren>
sure.
03:52
< afny|mac>
I'm alright with any small non-island map
03:52
< afny|mac>
let me make sure this mac version works
03:53
< afny|mac>
damnit
03:53
< afny|mac>
"the cd key used for this install was intended for another product"
03:53
< afny|mac>
let me see if I can find where it's stored
03:54
< Soren>
Let's do the same one. I like that map.
03:57
< afny|mac>
well I can't figure out how to change the cd key
03:57
< afny|mac>
so I'll just start it up on the pc again
03:57
< afny|mac>
and hope it doesn't crash before something interesting happens
03:57
< Soren>
sure. give me a sec.
04:02
< afny|mac>
i'm switching to protoss btw
04:02
< afny|mac>
but don't let that frighten you
04:02
< Soren>
I think I can deal.
04:02
< Soren>
my legendary assfulness at TvP should even things out.
04:03
< Soren>
hokay.
04:03
< afny|mac>
ready whenever
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04:17
<~Noah>
Awwwwwjeaaah~
04:20
< ferrelferret>
what's up?
04:20
< afny|mac>
n]]fdsfgjnasDJHahfhadvfghdsgdf.af
04:20
< afny|mac>
bhbhbsdfhbsdhf.>
04:20
< Soren>
af and I are playing Starcraft.
04:20
< afny|mac>
expletive expletive expletive
04:20
< afny|mac>
well we WERE playing starcraft.
04:21
< Soren>
yeah, his machine keeps conking out.
04:21
< afny|mac>
fuuuck there has to be a way to get this mac copy to work
04:21
< Soren>
BUT I SURVIVED THE HATEFUL ZEALOTS.
04:21
< afny|mac>
I just need to find where it stores the cd key and put a real one in there
04:21
< Soren>
I can find stuff to do for a bit if you want to dick with that.
04:22
< afny|mac>
I actually should go to bed soonish
04:22
< afny|mac>
but if I find it in the next 20 minutes I'll play again
04:22
< ferrelferret>
How can you not get the mac copy to work?
04:22
< afny|mac>
I feel like it won't be simple because it's running through carbon
04:22
< ferrelferret>
blizzard loves macs
04:22
< ferrelferret>
;)
04:22
< afny|mac>
well I just torrented some random starcraft thing
04:22
< afny|mac>
like I have legit copies of sc and broodwar but I didnt tie them to a battlenet account
04:22
< afny|mac>
as far as I know
04:22
< afny|mac>
and my disks are windows disks
04:23
< afny|mac>
but this torrented version already has some non-legit cd key in the install
04:23
< ferrelferret>
hmm
04:23
< ferrelferret>
that be the problem with torrents
04:24
< afny|mac>
well the problem isn't the torrent, per say
04:24
< afny|mac>
because if it was a windows install I could just change the cd key
04:24
< afny|mac>
but because it's running through something called Carbon
04:24
< Soren>
You might be able to download a fresh, legit copy with a CD key.
04:25
< afny|mac>
if I knew what battle-net account I tied my CD keys to, I could
04:25
< Soren>
yeah.
04:25
< afny|mac>
well let me just try making a new one and typing in the keys
04:25
< Soren>
I wonder if it can recover them?
04:25
< afny|mac>
MAYBE it was diablo that I did that with?
04:26
< ferrelferret>
I thought the disks worked for PC and Mac out of the Box.
04:26
< ferrelferret>
i know all the warcraft ones do
04:26
< ferrelferret>
RTS and WoW
04:26
< afny|mac>
wat
04:27
< ferrelferret>
Blizzard normally puts the instals for mac and PC on their disk by default
04:27
< ferrelferret>
installs*
04:29
< afny|mac>
oh well
04:29
< afny|mac>
the battlenet thing worked
04:29
< afny|mac>
so now I have to redownload
04:29
< afny|mac>
but at least I know this one will work
04:30
< afny|mac>
it gave me the "anthology" even though I only put in my starcraft cd key
04:30
< afny|mac>
also are you sure this dual install thing existed in like
04:30
< afny|mac>
92
04:30
< afny|mac>
or whatever
04:30
< afny|mac>
98
04:34
< afny|mac>
hurb
04:34
< afny|mac>
the blizzdownloader won't open
04:38
< Soren>
'hurb' is a fantastic noise.
04:38
< Soren>
And that is irritating.
04:38
< afny|mac>
it's a permissions problem
04:38
< afny|mac>
found a blue post about it
04:41
< afny|mac>
ugh, there is totally an easier way to fix this, blizzard dev
04:43
< afny|mac>
Well I'm "repairing permissions" through the disk utility, and if this doesn't work I'm going to try something else
04:43
< afny|mac>
but I'm probably done for the night
04:43
< afny|mac>
if we actually play another game I'll be all amped up on starcraft at 12:30
04:43
< afny|mac>
which won't end well for me
04:43
< Soren>
yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
04:44
< Soren>
well played, sir.
04:44
< afny|mac>
ONE DAY we will actually FINISH a game.
04:44
< Soren>
indeed.
04:44
< afny|mac>
But indeed, well macroed.
04:44
< Soren>
heh
04:44
< Soren>
That's more or less how I play.
04:44
< Soren>
"Oh, you have stuff? well I will get MORE STUFF."
04:45
< afny|mac>
that's pretty much my only strategy for protoss as well
04:45
< afny|mac>
for zerg all I knew how to do was 6pool rush
04:45
< afny|mac>
after that, I was like
04:45
< afny|mac>
wtf is a defiler
04:45
< Soren>
yeeeah.
04:45
< Soren>
ZvT is a rough matchup in brood war, though.
04:46
< Soren>
between medics and tanks I can murder your guys all day.
04:46
< Soren>
While teching.
04:46
< afny|mac>
yeah I had no plan for siege tanks
04:46
< afny|mac>
with protoss I would just build archons or something
04:47
< afny|mac>
what do you do against tanks with zerg even
04:47
< Soren>
Defiler+zergling drops.
04:47
< afny|mac>
yeah I guess I should actually learn what a defiler IS.
04:47
< Soren>
but it better be mass Defiler.
04:48
< Soren>
Dark Swarm cancels out all ranged attacks, so you gotta love the fucker to death.
04:48
< Soren>
Eat zerglings often. They're crunchy.
04:49
< afny|mac>
well this repair permissions thing did not work
04:49
< Soren>
irritating.
04:51
< afny|mac>
I can try repairing permissions on reboot
04:51
< afny|mac>
but I'll do that later
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04:51
< afny|mac>
and I know there's a way to do it with the console, because I had this same issue with a minecraft exe
04:51
< Soren>
Yeah, I think we hit the limit of friendly play.
04:51
< Soren>
Next match was probably going to get a little mean-spirited.
04:51
< afny|mac>
well I think it depends how that match ended
04:51
< afny|mac>
it probably had the potential to turn sour before it was over haha
04:52
< Soren>
Yeah, that one was up in the air.
04:52
< Soren>
If I managed to macro up a tougher mech/air army, I mighta had a shot at steamrollering you.
04:52
< afny|mac>
I randomly put that pylon at an expansion that I wasn't even headed to
04:52
< afny|mac>
which kind of fucked me, but I could've MAYBE recovered
04:52
< afny|mac>
like I didn't realize I had built it
04:52
< Soren>
Or you could have gone for Dark Templar right away and given me a shitload of trouble.
04:53
< Soren>
I think I had enough turrets up to deal with it, but it woulda been hairy.
04:53
< afny|mac>
once I saw the firebats I was headed for DT but I had been headed for robo before that
04:53
< Soren>
Yeah, I had detection up fast in case you went there.
04:53
< Soren>
I was worried about Zealot or Cannon rushes.
04:54
< afny|mac>
I decided not to rush again, but I should've
04:54
< afny|mac>
I had a lot of zealots early, but I just turtled with them
04:54
< Soren>
Zealot rushes are broken against terran.
04:54
< Soren>
Seriously hard to handle.
04:54
< afny|mac>
I really just don't know what's strong
04:54
< Soren>
I'm remembering.
04:54
< afny|mac>
I played multiplayer in like 99, and only with two friends
04:54
< afny|mac>
never seriously on bnet
04:54
< afny|mac>
and then I played like eight matches two years ago
04:55
< Soren>
I started play my GF again I think... yeah, 2010.
04:55
< Soren>
Then we switched to SC2.
04:55
< afny|mac>
I've considered it several times since launch, but I've always held off
04:55
< Soren>
then we got married and now I can't play against her because it would probably result in divorce ;)
04:55
< afny|mac>
Haha yeah it's not healthy.
04:56
< Soren>
I have a nuke problem.
04:56
< Soren>
I just.. I can't stop.
04:56
< afny|mac>
I mean, once you build it...
04:56
< afny|mac>
..you pretty much have to fire it.
04:56
< Soren>
...why not drop it on every mineral line simultaneously?
04:56
< Soren>
Why not rush to it?
04:57
< Soren>
Why not just go completely bonkers with it?
04:57
< Soren>
Because that's the thought process/
04:57
< afny|mac>
n-n-n-...-nuclear launch detected.
04:57
< Soren>
Well, and I usually go for the nuke rush to get a commanding lead in economy
04:57
< afny|mac>
so what's different about sc2
04:58
< Soren>
- no medics, thank FUCK. There's a medivac dropship instead.
04:58
< afny|mac>
I mean I know some of the new units I guess, but overall I hear there's way less room for micro
04:58
< afny|mac>
I dont know anything about new zerg
04:58
< Soren>
I dunno. There's less room for really decisive micro.
04:58
< Soren>
But there's tons of room for micro.
04:59
< Soren>
It's just that it's much easier to split your attention to counter-micro.
04:59
< Soren>
(anybody who doesn't want to hear this: we can take it to /msg if you need.)
04:59
< afny|mac>
I'm not sure anyone is here. Is anyone here? Karoline got mad and left when we joined out last game it looks like...
05:00
< afny|mac>
Oh...she wanted to know where to find VOTOMS
05:00
< afny|mac>
WE FAILED HER.
05:00
< Soren>
I think she was gonna get mad regardless.
05:00
< afny|mac>
Yeah probably.
05:00
< afny|mac>
Man, fuck supreme commander
05:00
< afny|mac>
that game is so laggy on even the best computer
05:01
< afny|mac>
I actually played it a lot, but it's just so ridiculous
05:01
< afny|mac>
because to compensate for the lag, it just slows the game clock down
05:01
< afny|mac>
so by the end of a round, you're moving at like 8 seconds=1 ingame second
05:01
< Soren>
Yeah, I'm waiting until it's something I can actually play on a machine I own.
05:02
< Soren>
so, ten years, most likely.
05:02
< afny|mac>
in ten years it probably just won't be supported by any OS
05:02
< Soren>
Well, yeah, like my old copy of TA.
05:02
< afny|mac>
I bet you big money that more computers can be made to run TA than they can SupCom
05:03
< Soren>
I'm cure.
05:03
< Soren>
sure*
05:04
< afny|mac>
I don't know, gameplay wise
05:04
< afny|mac>
I guess it was pretty fun
05:05
< Soren>
I think it's aimed at someone much more hardcore than I am.
05:05
< afny|mac>
well I think starcraft is a much more "hardcore" experience
05:05
< Soren>
different kind of hardcore.
05:05
< afny|mac>
yeah, okay
05:05
< Soren>
I know SC, so it's something I can have a pickup game of.
05:05
< afny|mac>
you mean like "hardcore pc gamer"?
05:05
< afny|mac>
or like
05:06
< Soren>
But I no longer really have the desire to spend a month getting passable at a game.
05:06
< afny|mac>
hardcore been playing TA for years
05:06
< afny|mac>
I'm actually afraid that's what would happen to me if I started playing SC2
05:07
< Soren>
I'm not going to spend enough time with a game as complex as that to really get the most out of it.
05:08
< Soren>
Mmm, I had about six months where it was my go-=to entertainment when bored.
05:08
< Soren>
-=
05:10
< afny|mac>
Have you played the campaign?
05:10
< afny|mac>
I mean, I assume
05:10
< afny|mac>
but some people never touch it
05:10
< Soren>
Yeah, it's pretty nice.
05:10
< Soren>
lots of campaign-only units, some amusing challenges.
05:11
< Soren>
Multiplayer is really where the fun is, though.
05:11
< afny|mac>
definitely, my interest in the campaign is 100% fueled by nostalgia
05:12
< Soren>
It's worht it, though.
05:12
< Soren>
worth*
05:14
< Soren>
I think the rebalancing of the game is a lot more enticing, though. Most of the really exploity stuff in BW has been smoothed out..
05:14
< afny|mac>
Yeah, it seemed that way
05:14
< Soren>
there are a lot more options in the early game, too.
05:15
< afny|mac>
I watched a few Day9 dailies when I was thinking about getting it before, and he talked about some of the changes
05:15
< Soren>
Ah, yes.
05:15
< Soren>
I'm a fan.
05:15
< afny|mac>
He's pretty great even if you have no idea what starcraft is
05:15
< Soren>
I just really appreciates the way he breaks down strategic thinking.
05:16
< Soren>
"Here's stuff I can tell you, and here's stuff you should go try until you feel it."
05:17
< Soren>
Also, monobattles are super fun.
05:17
< Soren>
even just to watch.
05:18
< afny|mac>
I might just start watching some games before I buy it
05:18
< afny|mac>
that way I could feel like I was getting better without actually getting better
05:19
< afny|mac>
I don't think I'd learn much from watching a monobattle though
05:19
< afny|mac>
but I COULD BE WRONG
05:19
< Soren>
https://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-354-p1-funday-monday-more-monobattles-5612056
05:19
< afny|mac>
I guess I'd learn a lot about one unit
05:19
< Soren>
Try this one. These are some super funny games.
05:20
< Soren>
The thing about monobattles that I didn't notice for a while is that they make you focus on all the non-combat elements of the game a lot more.
05:20
< Soren>
You have to macro well, you have to coordinate with your team much more, and you have to have good scouting and situational awareness.
05:21
< afny|mac>
good points
05:23
< afny|mac>
he's overwhelming me with positivity
05:23
< Soren>
haha
05:26
< afny|mac>
hahaha
05:26
< afny|mac>
a verb he used to try to look tough.
05:26
< Soren>
these are all incredibly funny games.
05:26
< Soren>
Just wait for the Forrest Gump references.
05:27
< afny|mac>
haha wow it just slipped in
05:34
< afny|mac>
the counter is to just go fucking kill 'em
05:34
< Soren>
it is.
05:34
< Soren>
You can force them to transition into 'losing their whole fucking base.'
05:34
< Soren>
A popular build, that one.
05:45
< afny|mac>
my god he's still laughing about his wheelchair joke
05:46
< Soren>
that was not a proud moment, but it did earn a horrified giggle.
06:07
< afny|mac>
wow why didn't he do this team color code thing for the first game
06:07
< Soren>
because eternal hate for your eyes, I think.
06:08
< Soren>
Now I'm wondering how the monobattling style of play would adapt to MF0. It seems like a 3v3 team game, where everybody gets 3-5 units, could be a balst.
06:08
< Soren>
blast*
06:08
< afny|mac>
Teams of some sort, at least, should be incorporated
06:08
< Soren>
of course, at worst, it could result in 30 guys on the field an a record-keeping nightmare.
06:09
< Soren>
and*
06:09
< afny|mac>
whether or not it's actually a monobattle where you can only use one type of frame
06:09
< Soren>
so maybe limit it to 2-4 guys.
06:09
< Soren>
Well, with that few units, it forces coordination the same way
06:09
< afny|mac>
true
06:09
< Soren>
I could see either approach working.
06:09
< afny|mac>
how would you calc initiative though
06:09
< afny|mac>
just treat each team as one company?
06:10
< afny|mac>
or count initiative separately regardless of friend/foe status
06:10
< Soren>
that's one way, yeah.
06:10
< Soren>
counting initiative separately could get to be a pain but it might also be super funny.
06:11
< afny|mac>
I think it'd probably be a bit deeper
06:11
< Soren>
yeah. I'm not sure if it results in more fun or not, though.
06:11
< Soren>
I think it's neutral, or close enough between the two options that only playtesting could tell us.
06:27
< Soren>
Hmm. You'd also have to field joint objectives.
06:27
< Soren>
Maybe... 4?
06:28
< Soren>
That might be the balancing, that everybody tracks destroyed frames individually, but objectives jointly.
06:28
< Soren>
I'll have to run this by J.
06:39
< afny|mac>
definitely worth playtesting
06:42
< Soren>
I bet it would be the funniest con game. two teams of three rushing to put the hurt on each other.
06:43
< Soren>
But nobody having *quite* enough to administer the hurt alone.
06:45
< afny|mac>
it could get nasty.
06:45
< Soren>
yeah.
06:45
< Soren>
maybe 2v2 as a test case, first.
06:46
< Soren>
3v3 might just be too unwieldy.
06:49
< afny|mac>
It could be cool, but chances are it would just be a little slow from the individual player's perspective
06:49
< afny|mac>
and if you get knocked out early it's even worse
06:49
< Soren>
yeah. YOu'd want snacks on hand.
06:50
< Soren>
My secret strategy: get knocked out early so I can eat all the munchables.
06:50
< afny|mac>
devious
06:50
< Soren>
Very.
06:56
< Soren>
Man. I got all these trans=purple cones, and now I can't figure out what to do with them.
06:56
< Soren>
Even with all this trans-purple fire.
06:56
< afny|mac>
Were they mostly for that Ijad company?
06:57
< Soren>
That and because I thought 'this colors is cool, I bet I can do something with it'
06:57
< afny|mac>
Make some tan frames with trans-purple weaponry
06:57
< Soren>
mm. That's an option.
06:57
< afny|mac>
those are two great tastes that taste great together
06:58
< Soren>
yeah. dark blue + tan would be even better.
06:59
< afny|mac>
Don't know how you'd use up a bunch of cones in one frame, though
06:59
< afny|mac>
I don't think they look good if they aren't contained by other bricks
07:00
< Soren>
yeah.
07:00
< afny|mac>
not cones in general, but transparent ones
07:00
< Soren>
maybe some kind of quad blaster assembly, but otherwise I got nothing
07:01
< afny|mac>
the most clear cones I've used in a frame so far is four, in two separate railguns
07:02
< afny|mac>
or blasters that look like railguns, it's not really clear
07:03
< afny|mac>
you could cap the bottom of some cones with a gray 1 x 1 round plate
07:03
< afny|mac>
and somehow do an ammo or grenade belt
07:03
< afny|mac>
or a bandolier, but that might be a lot harder
07:04
< afny|mac>
I just got a ton of trans-blue cylinders and I was thinking about making some plasma grenades-on-sticks and making a belt out of them
07:04
< Soren>
Yeah, that usually looks pretty good.
07:05
< Soren>
I've got a quad gun I think I like.
07:05
< afny|mac>
is it like that tri-barrel one?
07:05
< Soren>
mm? I don't think so?
07:06
< afny|mac>
i'm not entirely sure what gun I'm thinking of
07:06
< afny|mac>
it may not exist
07:06
< afny|mac>
I think I'm going to head to bed
07:06
< afny|mac>
good luck with your purple, and good games.
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07:08
< Soren>
thanks, and good games to you as well.
07:08
< Soren>
...rats.
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15:02
<~Noah>
yeeeeeeeaaaaaawwwwwwwwwn
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15:49
< Ceddo>
Mornan'.
15:50
< Ceddo>
Mhmm. I think I wanna tackle the Iguana again.
15:50
< Ceddo>
See what I can do with it.
15:53
<~Noah>
Do it
15:53
<~Noah>
Ceddo, I need a hug
15:53
< Ceddo>
Okay.
15:53 * Ceddo hugs Noah.
15:54
<~Noah>
I remembered that Monday is Memorial day in America and I probably won't get my new pieces until Wednesday
15:54
< Ceddo>
... that's harsh.
15:55
<~Noah>
If I had class that day, I'd be out, but I don't even have class on Monday, so it's just a long boring weekend for me
15:56
< Ceddo>
Okay.
15:56
< Ceddo>
I pose a challenge.
15:56
< Ceddo>
Take a 'frame that you like, of someone else.
15:56
< Ceddo>
Rebuild it, with your own take of it.
15:57
<~Noah>
I'll see what I can do
15:58
< Ceddo>
We could tackle something together.
15:58
<~Noah>
Well, I lack that certain part for the chub torso
15:59
< Ceddo>
Which one?
15:59
<~Noah>
And Dawnie6 STILL isn't getting back with me
15:59
<~Noah>
3700, 1x2 technic brick with 1 hole
15:59
< Ceddo>
That one is a bitch to replace.
15:59
< Ceddo>
BUT.
15:59
< Ceddo>
Hear me out.
16:00
< Ceddo>
Do you have, by any chance, a 1x2 jumper and either a headlight or a 1x1 technic /w hole brick?
16:00
<~Noah>
Yes and yes to headlight, no 1x1 techic with hole
16:01
< Ceddo>
Okay.
16:01
< Ceddo>
Take the 1x2 plate off the 1x2 plate /w arms, of the backmodule.
16:01
< Ceddo>
Put the jumper there.
16:01
< Ceddo>
Put the hl brick there, with the open stud pointing up.
16:01
< Ceddo>
So the back opening points down.
16:02
< Ceddo>
Then, you put another jumper over the taps.
16:02
< Ceddo>
And you should now have a 1x2 stud connection in the middle of the torso.
16:02
< Ceddo>
Prolly need to level the lower one out with a 1x1 plate.
16:02
< Ceddo>
Or you could use a 1x3 plate and make it a wider chest.
16:03
< Ceddo>
Or slap a 2x3 plate (or anything that connects in the middle to 2 studs) on there.
16:03
< Ceddo>
Problem solved.
16:03
< Ceddo>
You might even come up with a cool chub variant from that.
16:11
<~Noah>
Ah, gotcha
16:11
<~Noah>
Took me a moment to puzzle it out
16:11
< Ceddo>
Should work like a charm. Maybe a BIT more instable.
16:13
<~Noah>
Lemme post a pick of it to show you to make sure I'm doing it right, having a bit of issue with the arm now
16:13
< Ceddo>
Alrightey.
16:20
<~Noah>
http://goo.gl/ANQ9v
16:43
< Ceddo>
Yupp!
16:44
< Ceddo>
Just like so.
16:44
< Ceddo>
That work for you?
16:44
<~Noah>
Top of the headlight brick is stopping the claws from moving arond the tap
16:44
< Ceddo>
Mhmm.
16:44
< Ceddo>
Oh wait.
16:44
< Ceddo>
I meant sideways.
16:44
< Ceddo>
Not upright.
16:44
< Ceddo>
Lay it on it's back.
16:45
<~Noah>
hokay
16:45
< Ceddo>
And you can that frontal 2x2 out, too.
17:00
<~Noah>
http://goo.gl/PXZuR
17:00
<~Noah>
He's wacky.
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17:06
< Ceddo>
Very
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17:30
< afny|mac>
did someone say...wacky...
17:31
< afny|mac>
there is a dangerous amount of crossover between
17:31
< afny|mac>
my lego bin...and my clothes bin
17:31
<~Noah>
Yea, there are places you don't want lego, trust me
17:32
<~Noah>
http://goo.gl/bSG7l - 2 Direct Fire Systems, Spot, and Move
17:32
< afny|mac>
place number one is the washing machine
17:32
< afny|mac>
haha that jetpack
17:33
<~Noah>
:P
17:33
< afny|mac>
I actually kinda like this guy's profile...you should greeble up those travis in his shins
17:33
<~Noah>
I will, waiting for proper greebles in the mail
17:33
<~Noah>
For both the gun and general frames
17:33
<~Noah>
I really like that gun
17:33
<~Noah>
It's just so mean looking
17:33
< afny|mac>
is there gonna be stuff on the top?
17:34
< Ceddo>
Hah!
17:34
< Ceddo>
I am done.
17:34
<~Noah>
Possibly
17:34
< Ceddo>
I dub this 'Frame the "Castellan".
17:34
< afny|mac>
it's a quad, right?
17:34
<~Noah>
Yes
17:34
< afny|mac>
I like the design but it doesn't look good held out at arms length like that
17:34
< afny|mac>
it looks like it weighs more than the frame
17:35
<~Noah>
Yea, I need to make it look more like a minigun, held to the side some how
17:35
<~Noah>
Or give it a kickstand
17:37
< afny|mac>
is it a new design, Ced?
17:37
< Ceddo>
Well, I took the Iguana.
17:37
< Ceddo>
And then, I changed the entire torso, back, arms.
17:37
< Ceddo>
Gave it a massive stormshield and a halberd.
17:38
< afny|mac>
you're all about those stormshields
17:38
< Ceddo>
Integrated a minigun into the chest and a shoulder mounted rocket launcher.
17:38
< afny|mac>
I found some blue spears that are just like those blue axes you have
17:38
< Ceddo>
Dude, I LOVE stormshields.
17:38
< Ceddo>
This one is more of a tower shield, though.
17:38
< afny|mac>
I've been into CHAIR shields
17:38
< afny|mac>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyanosmoros/7275825258/in/pool-438009@N25
17:38
< Ceddo>
Gonna be a RdRdRhRhBBWW 'frame. A bodyguard.
17:39
< afny|mac>
I'm making a bbyygd8ww ASSHOLE frame...with a giant forcefield dome
17:39
< afny|mac>
soren told me to give it all my company's SSRs as well
17:39
< Ceddo>
Flamethrower? :D
17:39
< afny|mac>
nah it's just got a very very large forcefield
17:40
< afny|mac>
like the size of six frames
17:40
< Ceddo>
Also, R, then Y, then B, then G, then W, then SSR. Seems to become the standard in the forums.
17:40
< afny|mac>
and it doesn't risk damage when it gives them cover
17:40
< Ceddo>
So, yybbGww
17:40
< afny|mac>
really? weird...I usually go by the rulebook order
17:40
< afny|mac>
and y is always last
17:40
< afny|mac>
because you place it last, but I guess you consider it first if it's already placed?
17:41
< Ceddo>
Yeah, you'd think that alphabet would be BGRYW
17:41
< Ceddo>
But it seems that people put R first (sorted arty, df, hth), then YBG.
17:41
< Ceddo>
And SSRs at the end of it.
17:43
< afny|mac>
I wasnt going alphabetical
17:43
< afny|mac>
its just like, in the dice assign order in the pdf
17:43
< afny|mac>
it's red, blue, green, yellow
17:43
< Ceddo>
Oh, okay.
17:44
< afny|mac>
I sort of understand the grouping of y and r together though because they're both "offensive"
17:49
< Ceddo>
Alright.
17:49
< Ceddo>
Crushed the 4 Conscripts.
17:49
< Ceddo>
Sorted all parts away.
17:49
< Ceddo>
Castellan finished.
17:49
< Ceddo>
-4 +1
17:49
< Ceddo>
Good times.
17:50
< Ceddo>
Debating on tackling something else next, but I am out of Travis bricks in black and dark grey.
17:51
< Ceddo>
Only light grey's left, and I really don't like light grey. :D
17:51
< Ceddo>
But there's another 25 travis bricks incoming.
17:51
< afny|mac>
god
17:51
< afny|mac>
I have like 30 total
17:51
< afny|mac>
take pictures of the Castellan
17:52
< afny|mac>
I'm imagining it being piloted by thisguy
17:52
< afny|mac>
http://images.wikia.com/tardis/images/c/c7/Castellan.jpg
17:52
< Ceddo>
Alrightey.
17:52
< Ceddo>
I need to put him next to something to guard.
17:52
< Ceddo>
Maybe the Naga.
17:52
< Ceddo>
Yeah.
17:57
< Ceddo>
I made that bitch pose.
17:57
<~Noah>
http://goo.gl/l7bOZ - After first test firing, pilot went temporarily deaf and is now in recovery
18:00
< afny|mac>
looks much cooler on the arms
18:01
< afny|mac>
hm
18:01
< afny|mac>
I have a bad feeling that if I torrent this
18:01
< afny|mac>
SIXTY GB Nadia folder
18:01
< afny|mac>
I might hit some invisible bandwidth usage cap
18:04
<~Noah>
I'm not aware of them having a cap, but that doesn't really mean much
18:04
<~Noah>
brb
18:05
< afny|mac>
it depends on your ISP
18:06
< afny|mac>
the suspense is killing me Ced
18:07
< Ceddo>
Sorry.
18:07
< Ceddo>
I was busy goofing about.
18:08
< Ceddo>
http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/st13_castellan_b1.png
18:08
< Ceddo>
http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/st13_castellan_b2.png
18:08
< Ceddo>
http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/st13_castellan_b3.png
18:09
< afny|mac>
wow
18:11
< afny|mac>
that's really sweet
18:11
< afny|mac>
the angle of the chest/head
18:11
< afny|mac>
and the way the shoulders attach on the back to create such a striking posture
18:11
< Ceddo>
Yeah, like I said: Took the Iguana and redesigned it.
18:12
< afny|mac>
this isn't a criticism, so much, but I actually think you could get away with less wedges
18:12
< Ceddo>
I think, the shoulders to upper arms and the legs are the only hing that survived.
18:12
< Ceddo>
Oh, I know.
18:12
< Ceddo>
But I have like 150 of them.
18:12
< Ceddo>
:D
18:12
< afny|mac>
I think it might look better with tiles in some places
18:12
< Ceddo>
Used all the tiles I had - 8. ^^
18:12
< afny|mac>
ah, okay
18:13
< afny|mac>
it's really aptly named as well
18:13
< afny|mac>
definitely a fortress guard feel
18:14
< afny|mac>
fff I want my parts to gethere
18:15
< afny|mac>
how many bricks is that shield?
18:15
< afny|mac>
could a chub hold it without falling over?
18:15
< Ceddo>
Since the weight attaches at the far most forward point and the goes back ... maybe.
18:15
< afny|mac>
it'd be alright if it had to rest on the ground, maybe
18:16
< afny|mac>
I'm making a NUCLEAR DELIVERY CHUB for a special campaign
18:16
< Ceddo>
To short for that.
18:16
< afny|mac>
based on this
18:16
< Ceddo>
But you could make it even taller.
18:16
< Ceddo>
It's a 2x5 and another 2x5 connected with 1x1 clip plates and 1x2 bar plates.
18:16
< afny|mac>
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/RX-78GP02A_Gundam_%22Physalis%22
18:16
< afny|mac>
I guess it's not in this picture but that gundam has a huge ass shield
18:17
< Ceddo>
I honestly think Gundam is about as appealing as what I left in the toilet this morning.
18:17
< Ceddo>
And I had a gooood party last night.
18:17
< afny|mac>
Soren and I had this argument with Karoline yesterday
18:17
< afny|mac>
Gundam has its good and its bad
18:17 Soren|Away is now known as Soren
18:18
< afny|mac>
saying "Gundam isn't appealing" is like saying "Rap isn't appealing" or "Country isn't appealing"
18:18
< afny|mac>
Gundam is practically its own genre.
18:18
< afny|mac>
anyway I'm just making a chub with big feet and a bazooka
18:18
< afny|mac>
and he needs a shield, so I might steal parts of that one
18:18
< afny|mac>
the decorated 1x2 slope thingies for sure, on the top and bottom
18:18
< Soren>
Yeah, the only way to get a sense of what you're going to like is find someone into it with similar taste to your own and ask them what they think you should watch.
18:19
< Soren>
(hilariously, I had to have this argument with Joshua, too.)
18:19
< Ceddo>
By the way, a Castellan is someone who runs and guards a castle in absence of the owner. The captain of the watch, or the treasurer, or a noble vassal in high standing, often with wisdom of age would be that castellan.
18:19
< afny|mac>
I know, that's why I said it was APTLY NAMED
18:19
< Ceddo>
So, someone who doesn't freak or yield in case of a siege. :D
18:19
< Soren>
Then I made him watch 0083 and First Gundam and he was like: 'did.... did I just not see *any* of the good stuff?'
18:19
< Ceddo>
The other option was "Custodian".
18:19
< afny|mac>
Well yeah, because they didn't play Stardust Memory on "Toonami"
18:20
< afny|mac>
Glad you went with Castellan
18:20
< Ceddo>
Samesies.
18:20
< afny|mac>
Custodian has noble latin roots, but it just means janitor.
18:22
< afny|mac>
urgh
18:22
< afny|mac>
I found a more sanely encoded Nadia torrent...but it's in Italian.
18:23
< afny|mac>
also, I just realized Adblock is missing...I was so confused by all these ads
18:23
< afny|mac>
but they just didn't register
18:26
< Ceddo>
Well, Custodian would also be the elite guard of the God Emperor in WH40k.
18:26
< Ceddo>
So I rather dodge that.
18:27
< afny|mac>
Elite janitors of the God Emperor maybe.
18:28
< afny|mac>
so what Gundam shows/movies have you seen
18:28
< afny|mac>
to compare it to your post-revel bowel movements
18:36
< Ceddo>
Not a single consecutive show.
18:36
< Ceddo>
Just snippets, AMVs, wikipages, minifigs, etc.
18:36 * Soren feigns shock.
18:37
< Ceddo>
I really like the militaristic feel of Mechas. I'm a BattleTech kid.
18:37
< Ceddo>
Self proclaimed Clan Wolf in Exile Warden. :D
18:37
< Ceddo>
Also, my old license plate was CW 3057.
18:37 * Soren yawns
18:37
< Ceddo>
Oh, shush it, you.
18:38
< Soren>
Battletech puts me to sleep. I love wrodlbuilding, but they forgot to do any.
18:38
< Soren>
world*
18:38
< afny|mac>
if you are really judging Gundam
18:38
< afny|mac>
from AMVs
18:38
< afny|mac>
I just...
18:38
< afny|mac>
I just don't know anymore.
18:38
< afny|mac>
I JUST DON'T KNOW.
18:38
< Soren>
The gods cannot save you.
18:39
< afny|mac>
I mean, do they even MAKE AMVs with any Gundams other than Wing or SEED?
18:39
< afny|mac>
(The bad ones)
18:39
< Soren>
I have a First Gundam AMV set to 'La Resistance' from the old South Park movie.
18:39
< Soren>
But I think that's it.
18:40
< Ceddo>
Eh, meh.
18:41
< Ceddo>
I really have no heart for a Mecha with 500 wings, antennas, turbo-cell-plasma-accelerator-lance-combustion-phasers and swords the size of skyscrapers.
18:41
< Soren>
...have you actually PLAYED battletech?
18:41
< Ceddo>
Oh, and of course, energy whips.
18:41
< Soren>
And seen all the goofy melee weapons in there?
18:42
< Ceddo>
Hatchets, axes, fists, claws, large hands..?
18:42
< Ceddo>
Melee isn't really a forte of BattleTech. :D
18:42
< Soren>
no, but it's in there.
18:42
< Ceddo>
I mean, why run up to someone if you can just blast him with an LBX AC20 and watch his armor go *poof* ?
18:43
< Soren>
If you wanna get into the realism discussion, target silhouette defeats us all.
18:43
< Ceddo>
Or use 3 LBX AC5 and fire them in sequence to literally saw through a leg.
18:43
< Ceddo>
Much more efficient.
18:43
< Ceddo>
Melee makes no sense. At all.
18:43
< Soren>
nope!
18:44
< Ceddo>
I guess they bothered because of their roots.
18:44
< Soren>
I'm not defnding either on the basis of realism.
18:44
< Soren>
defending*
18:44
< Ceddo>
Well, I am parts personal appeal.
18:44
< Ceddo>
If something strikes me as inefficient, I am sceptical.
18:44
< Soren>
I'm saying neither is, but one has tricked you into thinking so, because you're in fakey grit.
18:44
< Soren>
into*
18:44
< Ceddo>
Yupp.
18:44
< Ceddo>
And, no.
18:44
< Ceddo>
Slight correction there.
18:45
< Ceddo>
Fighty robots are stupid.
18:45
< Ceddo>
Like, the entire basis of a walking weapons platform is outright retarded.
18:45
< Soren>
generally!
18:45
< Soren>
That's what I said, yes.
18:45
< Ceddo>
Recoil, silouette, complexity, etc. - none of it makes sense.
18:45
< Ceddo>
But AT LEAST Battletech does it in a fakey gritty tanky militaristic way.
18:46
< Soren>
VOTOMs does it better.
18:46
< Ceddo>
I'm not saying it's the only universe that does, though.
18:46
< Ceddo>
See, VOTOMS is a blank page with me.
18:49
< afny|mac>
Sorry, I sort of instigated this argument and totally checked out...I was drawing an arms dealer
18:49
< Soren>
'sfine
18:49
< afny|mac>
the thing is, like
18:49
< afny|mac>
okay, I havent played ALL that much battletech shit
18:49
< afny|mac>
I played a little bit of 2 a LONG time ago
18:49
< afny|mac>
and I played 4, which I know everyone hates
18:49
< afny|mac>
mechwarrior that is
18:49
< afny|mac>
and I read some like battletech books
18:49
< afny|mac>
at a game store
18:49
< afny|mac>
when I was bored
18:50
< afny|mac>
and never bought any
18:50
< afny|mac>
but I can't tell you a single thing about their factions, or main characters
18:50
< afny|mac>
I know some of the names of the mechs
18:50
< afny|mac>
and that's it.
18:50
< afny|mac>
like, what is that. What does that get me.
18:50
< Soren>
Yeah. It's supremely forgettable.
18:50
< afny|mac>
some of the mech designs are sweet, admittedly
18:50
< afny|mac>
and not just the ones stolen from Macross
18:51
< afny|mac>
I mean I like the non-humanoid, reverse knee bots a lot. My Nimrod is very "battletech".
18:51
< afny|mac>
But story wise, I just don't get it.
18:51
< Soren>
It seems like occasionally they accidentally hire someone for real money who can sort of draw.
18:51
< Soren>
Joshua has a whole rant there. It's not flattering.
18:53
< Soren>
I should also note that, in the more abstract realm of things, I accept Minovsky particles a lot easier than FTL travel and space feudalism. Possibly because they're less 'AUTHORIAL FIAT GOES HERE'
18:56
< Ceddo>
Well, the story is pretty much ...
18:57
< Ceddo>
ALL IS SHIT. LET'S BATH IN IT. OMG SUPERSOLDIERS FROM THE PAST ARE BACK.
18:57
< Ceddo>
CONFLICT NAO.
18:57
< Ceddo>
WAIT. THOSE GUYS ARE OUR OLD BUDDIES.
18:57
< Ceddo>
LESS CONFLICT NAO.
18:57
< Ceddo>
WAIT. WE HATE EACH OTHER.
18:57
< Ceddo>
INTERNAL CONFLICT NAO.
18:57
< Ceddo>
Etc.
18:58
< Ceddo>
Add a lot deus ex machina and supercharacters. MarySues.
18:58
< Soren>
Yeah, see, i just stop giving a shit at all.
18:59
< Soren>
I think Joshua's phrase is 'contentless violence porn'
18:59
< afny|mac>
like, if your argument against Gundam is that you don't like marysue mechs
18:59
< afny|mac>
but you're fine with marysue characters
18:59
< Ceddo>
What's cool in BT are the novels of specific mercenary units, lower tier clansmen and any large-scale battle.
19:00
< Ceddo>
Who said that I am fine with it?
19:00
< Ceddo>
I was talking only about visual appeal.
19:00
< afny|mac>
I thought you were mr battletech supreme
19:00
< afny|mac>
oh
19:00
< Soren>
visual appeal, well...
19:00
< afny|mac>
welll you should watch 8th MS team
19:00
< Ceddo>
I cannot and would not comment on Gundam's actual content.
19:00
< Ceddo>
Because I know naught.
19:00
< afny|mac>
it's about a Gundam ground crew operating normal armor, nothing super
19:00
< Ceddo>
And BT's fallacies are very apparent to me.
19:01
<~Noah>
Soren: http://goo.gl/l7bOZ The WACCEE, Wartime Advanced Conflict Class Erupter Engine
19:01
<~Noah>
Pronounced, "wacky"
19:01
< Ceddo>
But, still, after having played every Mech Warrior and Mech Commander game ever released on PC, I know what I like, both in loadout choices and design.
19:02
< Ceddo>
And ... I even got to like MW4. Even though they pretty much raped the loadout system and were cunthair short of introducing energy shields.
19:02
< Ceddo>
But that's Microsfot.
19:02
< Soren>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZULhqmhv3o here, ignore the terrible dub.
19:02
< Ceddo>
*Microsoft
19:03
< afny|mac>
Hahaha I've never seen this dub
19:03
< Soren>
it's so delightfully bad.
19:04
< Ceddo>
Oh my god.
19:04
< Ceddo>
Dafuq am I watching?
19:04
< Ceddo>
There's 80ies porn music.
19:05
< afny|mac>
GET REAL
19:17
< Ceddo>
Mhmm.
19:17
< Ceddo>
Watched it.
19:18
< Ceddo>
Combat was odd, drawing did not tickle my fancy, the scuba 'bots were weird and that guy up at the ramp was stupid.
19:18
< Ceddo>
Also, I have a heard time feeling compassion for a bunch of guys murdering tons of civilians ... that guy died because he was dumb.
19:22
< afny|mac>
ANDDDYYY.
19:22
< afny|mac>
They weren't really civilians, though
19:22
< Ceddo>
Totes.
19:22
< Ceddo>
It was a spaceport.
19:25
< Ceddo>
Mhmm.
19:25
< Ceddo>
How to modell a DF YY B Chub.
19:27
< Soren>
over the shoulder scope, radar dish on the backpack, carbine, some kind of shield.
19:28
< Ceddo>
Mhmm, mhmm.
19:28
< Ceddo>
I'll see whether I can get that funky headscope thing going.
19:29 * Soren has an example handy
19:29
< Ceddo>
Do show.
19:30
< Soren>
I'm on it
19:32
< afny|mac>
you mean that head scope from those yellow chubs?
19:32
< afny|mac>
I love that thing
19:32
< Ceddo>
Yah.
19:34
< afny|mac>
I still feel stupid about not knowing how it was built
19:34
< afny|mac>
I was sure it was like, one of those little diamonds
19:34
< afny|mac>
shoved into a closed wrench
19:35
< afny|mac>
and the lampholder wasn't stuck to anything, and was like a flip-up readout or something
19:35
< afny|mac>
it was so mysterious to me.
19:36
< Ceddo>
I am not so sure myself anymore. :D
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19:38
< afny|mac>
I think that person mosts on the hangar but I'm not sure who it is
19:38
< afny|mac>
I got that picture from the MFZ reddit
19:43
< Ceddo>
Soren got lost looking for that picture.
19:43
< Ceddo>
He's like a old and wise professor.
19:44
< Soren>
no, taking it.
19:45
< Ceddo>
Oh!
19:45
< Ceddo>
Thanks, man. I thought you had it ready. Cool beans!
19:47
< Soren>
it's super basic. 1x2 bar plate to 1x1 with 3 studs.
19:47
< Ceddo>
Mhm? Can't picture it.
19:48
< Soren>
it's attached to the neck clip on the Chub - or Rumble Monkey, in this case. Whenever the goddamn link decides to load.
19:50
< Soren>
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4rcvacoferpoev6/ST-09A%20Command.JPG
19:51
< Ceddo>
Ah, I see.
19:51
< Soren>
Related: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rppfdt1dyiueplk/Sisters%20of%20the%20Dreaming%20Blade. jpg last night's enpurplification.
19:51
< Ceddo>
Mhmm, I'll see what I can cook up from that.
19:52
< Ceddo>
Ooooh, smexy.
19:55
< Soren>
ty
19:56
< Soren>
I was surprised at how well they came out.
19:56
< Ceddo>
I really like the colours there.
19:59
< Soren>
yeah, me too.
20:00
< Soren>
I did a pink one I should probably take pictures of.
20:14
< Soren>
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z3smuam65xx40zo/Super%20Strider.jpg
20:15
< Soren>
"OKAY BOYS, I'M BACK. AND THIS TIME, YOU LET ME INTO THE GODDAMN TREEHOUSE."
20:15
< Soren>
"OR I BLOW UP THE TREE."
20:15
< Ceddo>
Excuse me while I shoot purple lasers at your treehouse.
20:15
< afny|mac>
is that a bionicle foot
20:16
< Soren>
it is.
20:16
< afny|mac>
I dig the marshmallows.
20:17
< afny|mac>
I finished Trilo's characters
20:17
< afny|mac>
http://i.imgur.com/VMnzw.jpg?1
20:17
< Soren>
they're one-shots, but I think I'd rather live in the universe where you just roast them over the fires of your enemy's corpse.
20:17
< Soren>
he's adorable!
20:18
< Ceddo>
He looks like how I envison the guy running the Tithe Bureau on Vesopia!
20:18
< afny|mac>
He's a cute old man that sells guns, apparently
20:19
< Ceddo>
Oh, man...rotary jack-hammers. It's like something a six-year old would design. I want four. <-- I love this forum.
20:20
< afny|mac>
Randolph's stuff is really out there. He's a little nuts, I think, but his weapon designs are pure mad science.
20:20
< Soren>
You know, I like that.
20:20
< Soren>
crazy people imrpove my life, i find.
20:20
< Soren>
improve*
20:21
< Ceddo>
Dude.
20:21
< Ceddo>
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2390429a_AerialAssault Newsletter_1.jpg
20:21
< Ceddo>
Dafuq izzat shit.
20:21
< afny|mac>
Yes, I am generally a fan of crazy people. They do their thing.
20:21
< Ceddo>
Since when did the Adeptus Astartes ask ORKS how to build things?
20:21
< Soren>
fuqed, izwhut.
20:22
< Ceddo>
And ... srsly? A flyin twin-linked assault cannon + 2x single las cannons?
20:22
< afny|mac>
I tell you huwhut. In my day, Adeptus Astartes solt propane and propane accessories.
20:22
< Ceddo>
The Stormtalon Gunship serves the armies of the Space Marines as both an interceptor and ground-attack craft. Fast enough to engage all but the swiftest of enemies, and sufficiently well-armed to reduce the chosen foe to a mangle of twisted wreckage and ruined flesh, it is a powerful addition for any Codex Chapter.
20:22
< Ceddo>
They'll need such power, too, as those crafty greenskins have managed to take to the skies in their own aircraft. The Ork Bommer can be used to make three kits: a Dakkajet, a Blitza-bommer or a Burna-bommer.
20:23
< afny|mac>
One thing I'll give to the Warhammer universe
20:23
< Ceddo>
That makes no sense. You fight aerial with Hydras and Quad-Autocannons. They swat fliers out of the air like crazy.
20:23
< Ceddo>
BUT!
20:23
< afny|mac>
I DO like the idea that the Orks are just an alien fungus.
20:23
< Ceddo>
THAT thing there ...
20:23
< Ceddo>
... is a tank killer.
20:23
< afny|mac>
Fungus people are pretty great. I just wish they LOOKED more like fungus.
20:23
< Ceddo>
Heavy 4, Rending, S6. And 2x Heavy 1, S10. All that flyer does is chew tanks.
20:24
< Ceddo>
Retarded. Because we need more flying Landraiders.
20:24
< Ceddo>
I am so happy I stopped playing 40k. :D
20:34
< Ceddo>
Ah, I love my roomie.
20:34
< Ceddo>
He's currently remixing songs.
20:35
< Ceddo>
So I turned my music off and listen to his.
20:35
< Ceddo>
Very important lesson in life: Move in with people that share your taste in music.
20:38
< Soren>
indeed.
20:39
< Ceddo>
It's my goal to get him to play MFZ.
20:39
< Ceddo>
He listens closely. And he follows quickly.
20:39
< Ceddo>
He's a smart kid.
20:40
< Ceddo>
Been friends with him for 25 years, almost.
20:42
< Ceddo>
Took us like 10 years to finally move in together, but hey, at long last. :D
20:42
< Ceddo>
Okay, so I got the face scanner sorted, Afny. It's actually a lot less ... uhm ... what's the word ... handy as you would think.
20:42
< Ceddo>
Very narrow application.
20:43
< Ceddo>
And Soren, I found a different solution for a Y system - the shoulders were already packed (SSR launcher, and the scanner blocked the front, too).
20:44
< Soren>
'kay
20:44
< Ceddo>
Put a lampholder where the 1x1 plate goes, slapped an 4L antenna on there, double clip-tiled a radio to it and put another clip in the groove with a dish and 1x1 round plate.
20:44
< Ceddo>
Should suffice as an uplink.
21:02
< Ceddo>
Heh.
21:02
< Ceddo>
I think I accidentially the whole company.
21:05
< afny|mac>
show us the face scanner
21:05
< afny|mac>
SHOW US
21:05
< Ceddo>
It's so delicious. :D
21:18
< Ceddo>
Alright.
21:18
< Ceddo>
Beer, smoke ... where was I.
21:18
< Ceddo>
Ah, yeah.
21:18
< Ceddo>
Pictures.
21:24 Soren is now known as Soren|Away
21:24
< Soren|Away>
lunches!
21:25
< afny|mac>
Gonna restart to try to repair my permissions
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21:27
< Ceddo>
Back?
21:32
< afny>
well on this one
21:32
< afny>
I'm trying to do this shit on my mac that I don't understand
21:32
< afny>
CHMOD
21:33
< afny>
fucking unix
21:43
< Ceddo>
http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/13th_guard_b1.png
21:43
< Ceddo>
http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/13th_guard_b2.png
21:43
< Ceddo>
http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/13th_guard_b3.png
21:43
< Ceddo>
http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/13th_guard_b4.png
21:43
< afny>
YES
21:43
< Ceddo>
http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/13th_guard_b5.png
21:43
< afny>
it's working
21:43
< afny>
muh download
21:43
< afny>
Also, I dig it
21:46
< Ceddo>
Yay!
21:47
< afny>
is it built how you determined it before?
21:47
< Ceddo>
Yipp.
21:47
< Ceddo>
I added a 1x1 tile to the bottom.
21:47
< Ceddo>
But that's about it.
21:48
< Ceddo>
Only problem I see, if you do it in an different colour, it'll look odd.
21:48
< Ceddo>
Black's subtle and thusly works.
21:48
< afny>
I think you should expand into light gray
21:49
< afny>
I know you don't like it but I think it makes things a lot more striking sometimes
21:49
< afny>
you and mittens both should use it more
21:50
< Ceddo>
Nah. Black's my love. :D
21:50
< Ceddo>
But ironically, I already have the next project in front of me.
21:50
< Ceddo>
And I'll use light and dark grey for that one.
21:51
< Ceddo>
Maybe some minor black here 'n there.
22:00
< afny>
blizzard torrent
22:00
< afny>
eating
22:00
< afny>
bandwidth...
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22:42
< Ceddo>
Okay. That's three 'frames for today. Good rate.
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22:47
< Ceddo>
Backsies.
22:49
< afny>
o/
22:50
< Ceddo>
I made the 'frame with only 2 black parts.
22:50
< Ceddo>
And those are tires. :D
22:54
< afny>
:O
22:54
< afny>
did you post
22:54
< afny>
it
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23:10
< Ceddo>
Not yet.
23:11
< Ceddo>
Are you gonna be around for a bit?
23:15
< Ceddo>
It's an arty 'frame.
23:30
< afny|away>
yeah
23:30
< afny|away>
i'll be here
23:40
< Ceddo>
http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/vmx03_crossbow_b1.png
23:40
< Ceddo>
http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/vmx03_crossbow_b2.png
23:40
< Ceddo>
http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/vmx03_crossbow_b3.png
23:52
< afny>
404
23:52 afny|away [afny@Nightstar-42c41d95.res.rr.com] has quit [Client closed the connection]
23:53 afny is now known as afny|fullscreen
23:54
< Ceddo>
Try again.
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