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| 05:06 | | * macdjord encounters a <marquee> tag in the wild for the first time in years. (He hadn't realized modern browsers still implemented it~) |
| 05:10 | <&McMartin> | Yay, web 1.0 |
| 05:10 | | * McMartin deploys an animated Starfury gif declaring UNDER CONSTRUCTION |
| 05:38 | | * Kizor writes HTML by hand |
| 05:47 | | * McMartin too, though he then hands it to WordPress. |
| 05:48 | <@macdjord> | Kizor: I do that myself anytime I have to edit HTML. |
| 05:52 | <@macdjord> | Admittedly, this mostly consists of taking fics in various forms of auto-generated HTML and stripping out unwanted formatting. (No, I don't need double-spaced paragraphs implemented with <br> tags. No, I don't need every paragraph to specify line width. No, I don't need do-nothing <spans>. Just give me a plain series of <p> tags, plus <em> and <strong> where needed.) |
| 05:52 | | * McMartin is old enough to remember <b> and <i>. |
| 05:52 | | * Mahal also |
| 05:53 | <&McMartin> | Which WordPress *does not parse*, to my considerable irritation |
| 05:53 | <&McMartin> | ~ semantic web ~ |
| 05:53 | <@macdjord> | McMartin: <_< Honestly, I not only remember them but use them. Functionally identical, fewer characters to type. |
| 05:54 | <&McMartin> | Well, functionally identical with the caveat that pasting it into WordPress does not properly convert it; it treats them as garbage and strips them. |
| 05:55 | <&McMartin> | I suppose s/convert/absorb/ |
| 05:55 | <&McMartin> | also ugh I am weeks behind on my next article |
| 06:13 | <~Vorntastic> | I find that a lot of modern html tools do a pretty decent job of making proper HTML, but i do have to go in and do some things sometimes |
| 06:14 | <~Vorntastic> | Like i was doing a leaderboard and so messing with the index of numbered lists |
| 06:14 | <~Vorntastic> | That, nobody does |
| 07:19 | <@ErikMesoy> | I know some people who use <em> for dialogue emphasis and <i> for ship names and will argue that these are distinct things, the ship names are styled that way, not emphasized. |
| 07:28 | <~Vorntastic> | "The i element represents a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, or otherwise offset from the normal prose, such as a taxonomic designation, a technical term, an idiomatic phrase from another language, a thought, a ship name, or some other prose whose typical typographic presentation is italicized." |
| 07:29 | <~Vorntastic> | "The em element represents stress emphasis of its contents." |
| 07:29 | <~Vorntastic> | Straight from w3 |
| 07:32 | <&McMartin> | I see my little "~ semantic web ~" thing was not properly communicated |
| 07:33 | <&McMartin> | It is precisely this attitude that I am ruefully acknowledging (a) won while (b) being utterly useless |
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| 14:06 | <@celticminstrel> | I (at least theoretically) use <em> for emphasis and <i lang=> for foreign-language terms. |
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| 17:40 | < simon_> | my colleague thinks that if you assign a value to a variable, the program will be slower. |
| 17:40 | < simon_> | so he tends to write very long lines with quite deeply nested expressions. |
| 17:41 | < simon_> | he was looking me over the shoulder and commented on a loop body where I did 'let left_child = ...;\nlet right_child = ...;\nfoo.combine(left_child, right_child);' saying "You know, I wrote that in one line." suggesting there was some merit to it. |
| 17:42 | < simon_> | so I looked at him, removed the linebreaks and said "I did too!" :-D |
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| 18:51 | <@Tamber> | I mean, I *guess* it could be slower but in realistic terms, probably not noticeably unless you have some tight real-time deadline to meet. (And then, of course, who's to say it's not automatically getting put in a variable behind the scenes anyway) |
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| 19:18 | <@gnolam> | What |
| 19:18 | <@gnolam> | Is your colleague named "Seb" by any chance?~ |
| 19:34 | <&McMartin> | Your colleague has half-remembered a thing about 8-bit Microsoft-derived BASICs (and potentially some but not all others): in half-remembering it, he is also wrong~ |
| 19:35 | <&McMartin> | Accessing a variable takes linear time based on the order in which the variables were declared, and declaring new variables after you've allocated a bunch of arrays is really expensive |
| 19:35 | <&McMartin> | what he has failed to realize is that it has to reparse the numbers every time so it's way faster to just put the number 23 in a variable named ZW call it ZW forever after! |
| 19:36 | <&McMartin> | ~ science ~ |
| 19:37 | <&McMartin> | (note: the above, while not *false*, is sarcasm. I would expect that if moving things in or out of constant variables measurably affected JS execution, JS minifiers would systematically do the thing that was faster while preserving size advantages.) |
| 19:37 | <&McMartin> | (I would *also* expect modern JITs to constant-fold and not respect the idea that local variables imply certain kinds of register assignments.) |
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