| --- Log opened Wed May 02 00:00:29 2018 |
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| 04:44 | <&McMartin> | Oh wow, I got an actual kernel crash of some kind from Win10. |
| 04:44 | | * McMartin pulls out the memory dump to see what actually broke. |
| 05:03 | <&McMartin> | ... NTFS.sys. That's not so great. |
| 05:04 | <&[R]> | D: |
| 05:05 | <&[R]> | Possibly corrupt hard-drive? |
| 05:05 | <&[R]> | There is that one exploit that's been disclosed |
| 05:05 | <&McMartin> | Possibly, but it looks like the flush-volume operation wound up with a garbage memory value |
| 05:05 | <&McMartin> | What's this? Is there a CVE? |
| 05:06 | <&[R]> | I'll see, I had read about it on my phone, so I'll have to google the stuff |
| 05:07 | <&[R]> | https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/usb-in-locked-pc-triggers-denial/ |
| 05:08 | <&[R]> | "Reported to Microsoft on July 2017, they did not want to assign CVE for it nor even to write me when they fixed it." |
| 05:08 | | * McMartin found https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2018-0822 |
| 05:08 | <&[R]> | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/linux/its-2018-and-you-can-still-p0wn-your-linux-box-by-plugging-in-a-usb-stick/ <-- similar issue with Linux D: |
| 05:09 | <&McMartin> | I did repair a corrupted USB stick but it was FAT32, not NTFS. |
| 05:09 | <&[R]> | That one's different |
| 05:09 | <&McMartin> | That Linux one is much more embarassing D: |
| 05:10 | <&McMartin> | But yeah, that still could have possible put the system into a weird state on its filter chain or something. :shrug: |
| 05:10 | <&[R]> | Yeah, command execution is pretty bad. |
| 05:10 | <&McMartin> | Command execution based on *dollar signs in the volume name* is just facedesky |
| 05:10 | <&[R]> | But hey, Windows had that as a feature for how long? |
| 05:10 | <&McMartin> | Not that one :) |
| 05:10 | < Mahal> | 1803 on win10 did some stuff with TPM |
| 05:10 | < Mahal> | ?? |
| 05:10 | <&McMartin> | I don't have 1803 yet |
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| 21:47 | <&[R]> | https://www.jwz.org/images/scaled/768/2018/theyfacebook_bw.jpg |
| 22:25 | < Degi> | https://twitter.com/archlinuxmemes/status/991119745981140992 |
| 22:26 | <&[R]> | I like a well done man page |
| 22:27 | < Degi> | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dby2Q5pVAAI1biH.jpg |
| 22:28 | < Degi> | Honestly I got less problems with arch than with my current windows install |
| 22:29 | < Degi> | Meh the lower part of that is not so good tho |
| 22:29 | <&[R]> | To be fair, Arch during the Judd years was amazing |
| 22:29 | <&[R]> | Unfortunately that doesn't exist at all anymore |
| 22:31 | < Degi> | What was there |
| 22:31 | <&[R]> | It was fairly stable |
| 22:31 | <&[R]> | I didn't have any breaking issues until Judd left |
| 22:31 | <&[R]> | I ran it for 2 years while he was maintaining it |
| 22:32 | <&[R]> | I really liked the bit where I never needed to install a -dev package, because Arch didn't split shit. |
| 22:33 | <&[R]> | That was one of the frequent frustrations I had when running Ubuntu. If there was a means to just automatically install the -dev package for everything I installed, I'd probably never have left Ubuntu. |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | That's an issue for all Debianoids, ime |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | As well as, uh, Fedoroids? |
| 22:33 | <&[R]> | Yeah, and Red Hat systems |
| 22:34 | <&[R]> | And then there's Void. |
| 22:34 | < Degi> | What are you running now? |
| 22:34 | <&[R]> | I'm actually running Arch technically, just with my own repo to remove upstream's brain-dead-ness. |
| 22:35 | <&[R]> | I tried Slackware, Void, CRUX, Gentoo and Frugalware for a bit. |
| 22:35 | <&[R]> | Anyways, Void takes the "let's split packages" to the extreme. Every .so file is its own package. |
| 22:36 | < Degi> | I tried to install i3-gaps on debian, failed and then went back to windows on my PC... On my laptop I got that working with Arch (because it had precompiled binaries) |
| 22:37 | <&McMartin> | "i3-gaps"? |
| 22:38 | < Degi> | It is like i3 WM but there is gaps between the windows |
| 22:38 | <&McMartin> | Aha, OK |
| 22:38 | <&McMartin> | I had this strange vision of "firmware patches to make Linux stuff work on Core i3 systems because otherwise it won't because ??mystery??" |
| 22:39 | < Degi> | Also debian didn't work well with the nouveau driver on my PC, maybe because I was too lazy to configure it... |
| 22:39 | <&[R]> | Slackware was really lacking for packages, and their package system seemed to be very incomplete. Void's package splitting was a deal-breaker for me. CRUX uses a ports system for packages, which isn't great, but it wasn't horrible. I actually liked CRUX the most out of the other systems. Frugalware was interesting, if you liked pacman, but want something that isn't Arch, check them out. |
| 22:39 | <&McMartin> | [R]: I can respect Void's ambition. |
| 22:39 | <&McMartin> | I think they're *wrong* |
| 22:39 | <&McMartin> | But if you have two binaries that only either work if they're both there, shouldn't they be *one* binary?~ |
| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | pacman I must admit has not endeared itself to me |
| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | I prefer to spell "-Syuu" "upgrade". |
| 22:40 | <&[R]> | pacman is honestly one of the reasons I really liked Arch. |
| 22:42 | <&[R]> | Void's package management is fairly similar (in that the switches are similar for the most part) but also very, very alien if you've used pacman. |
| 22:43 | <&McMartin> | I've always been able to find my way around Fedora's repos best |
| 22:43 | <&[R]> | xbps-upgrade -S thingy # downloads the package manifest (-S) and installs the package "thingy" |
| 22:43 | <&McMartin> | I'm not sure why that is; it may simply be that they are smaller overall and thus the naming scheme is more enforcibly consistent |
| 22:44 | <&[R]> | Arch's package guidelines for package naming is "upstream is king. Only rename a package if you have no other choice" |
| 22:46 | <&McMartin> | That doesn't help when you're the tip. |
| 22:47 | <&McMartin> | Or the, uh, spring? |
| 22:47 | <&McMartin> | So you've got libSDL2 and libSDL12 which is incompatible but defines many of the same symbols and then is it libSDL_image12 because its's SDL_image 1.2 or libSDL12_image because "SDL 1.2" is the name of the product and etc etc etc etc |
| 22:48 | <&McMartin> | And I swear Debian's individual package maintainers all throw darts even within a suite of related libraries |
| 22:49 | <&[R]> | Ughhh, the package maintainer for Debian's AIDE package needs to be beaten with a clue-by-four |
| 22:49 | <&[R]> | Not sure if it's still an issue, but it pissed me off when I had to maintain Ubuntu servers. |
| 22:50 | <&[R]> | Also whoever thought it was a good idea for postfix's install script to launch an interactive prompt. |
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