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| 03:15 | | * McMartin looks through the Id Music Format, giggles |
| 03:15 | <&McMartin> | It's literally just a series of register writes and delays |
| 03:28 | <@celticminstrel> | Id? |
| 03:28 | <@celticminstrel> | The software company, or...? |
| 03:35 | <&Derakon> | Presumably. |
| 03:35 | <&Derakon> | They started on some pretty primitive hardware. |
| 03:57 | <&[R]> | https://en.wiki2.org/wiki/IMF_(file_format) |
| 04:42 | <&McMartin> | That's the one |
| 04:42 | <&McMartin> | Also Commander Keen 4 is EGA/Adlib at its best |
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| 18:28 | | * TheWatcher encounters Gource - http://gource.io/ |
| 18:29 | <@TheWatcher> | A vcs visualisation system |
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| 21:21 | | * McMartin is pretty amused at how cranky the writing in http://wiki.osdev.org/ISA_DMA is. |
| 21:21 | <&McMartin> | The PCGPE article was much less annoyed at it - on the other hand, I'm pretty sure the PCGPE version predates the PCI bus. |
| 21:25 | <@Tamber> | That writing does seem to be pretty cranky. |
| 21:27 | <&McMartin> | That Gource thing is pretty shiny |
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| 22:52 | <&McMartin> | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzbF43GXgAAhfhp.jpg:large |
| 22:52 | <&McMartin> | Seems to check out |
| 22:52 | < catadroid> | Concur |
| 22:54 | < Vornotron> | yep |
| 22:57 | <&McMartin> | I also cannot shake the feeling that the image on the left is an advertisement for a record player. |
| 22:59 | < Vornotron> | I'm actually pretty sure it's an atari cartridge art |
| 23:01 | <&McMartin> | That would also fit |
| 23:01 | <@Reiv> | I think you're about right |
| 23:02 | < Vornotron> | Oh it's even better |
| 23:03 | < Vornotron> | https://atariage.com/manual_page.html?ItemTypeID=MANUAL&SoftwareLabelID=16&Syste mID=2600¤tPage=0&maxPages=24 |
| 23:03 | <@Reiv> | Yes! |
| 23:03 | <@Reiv> | Shit I knew that |
| 23:03 | < catadroid> | x) |
| 23:03 | < catadroid> | Basically correct |
| 23:17 | < catadroid> | The more I think about it, the more Reduct is a good name |
| 23:17 | < catadroid> | It means 'to simplify' and means I can get someone to draw me a cutesy duck as an avatar |
| 23:23 | <@Reiv> | whut? |
| 23:23 | < catadroid> | The programming language I'm developing |
| 23:23 | < catadroid> | I've decided to call it Reduct |
| 23:24 | <@Reiv> | Promising! |
| 23:24 | <@Reiv> | Is it, in fact, reductive? :p |
| 23:24 | < catadroid> | Yes |
| 23:24 | < catadroid> | It's basically the only action you can perform |
| 23:24 | <@Reiv> | Excellent. |
| 23:25 | < catadroid> | Basically, the entire language is dictionary lookups |
| 23:25 | < catadroid> | map/key is replaced by looking up key's value in map and is right associative |
| 23:25 | < catadroid> | So, for example: |
| 23:26 | <@celticminstrel> | Should I actually try creating that JS/Lua fusion language I theorized on before. >_> |
| 23:26 | < catadroid> | {0 = melon, 1 = turkey}/melon => melon |
| 23:26 | < catadroid> | Wait |
| 23:26 | < catadroid> | I'm so tired |
| 23:27 | < catadroid> | {0 = melon, 1 = turkey}/0 => melon |
| 23:27 | < catadroid> | There we go |
| 23:28 | < catadroid> | The other rule is that every map must have a production rule that takes a single parameter, for when there is no explicit key found |
| 23:28 | < catadroid> | For example, {$x = $x} is the identity function |
| 23:29 | <@celticminstrel> | Or the identity map. :P |
| 23:29 | <@celticminstrel> | (I guess mathematically a map is a function and vice versa.) |
| 23:29 | < catadroid> | Sure, but function === map |
| 23:29 | < catadroid> | That's the entire genesis of the language, in fact ^^ |
| 23:30 | < catadroid> | That means that the empty map, {} is actually {$else = error} |
| 23:30 | < catadroid> | There's loads of neat tricks you can do with this |
| 23:30 | < catadroid> | But I'm too tired to type them out |
| 23:31 | < catadroid> | You can do the infinitely recursive {$x = $x/$x}/{$x = $x/$x} though |
| 23:33 | < catadroid> | The novel thing seems to be that no lookup ever fails, which means that error handling isn't a special case and just propagates |
| 23:34 | < catadroid> | And I'm intending to code up an actual interpreter at some point this week |
| 23:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | The IEEE 754 approach to error handling~ |
| 23:34 | < catadroid> | Haha yeah |
| 23:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Heh |
| 23:34 | < catadroid> | {NaN = no-fire-here} |
| 23:40 | | * simon_ is porting some 25 year old DikuMUD code so it'll compile on his computer. it feels like modern archaeology. :) |
| 23:40 | <@simon_> | still, I'm using the same compiler as they did (GCC), so it isn't *really* archaeology. |
| 23:41 | <@celticminstrel> | 25-year-old GCC and modern GCC can't be called the same compiler, I'd think. |
| 23:42 | <@simon_> | right. I just imagine doing this on 100-year old code with compilers written for architectures that are hardly around any more. electronic archaeology is going to be a pretty cool study in the future. |
| 23:42 | <@simon_> | I mean, even hobbyist collection of old architectures is pretty cool. |
| 23:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | At some point in the next six months (ideally, before Alex figures out how to use arrow keys reliably), I need to update one of my dad's old games |
| 23:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | Which used some kind of pre-curses tty handling library that may have been SCO UNIX specific |
| 23:48 | < catadroid> | celticminstrel: my opinion on Lua is that it's JS without the shitty bits, so the language you suggested may indeed exist |
| 23:48 | < catadroid> | It's called Lua >> |
| 23:49 | <@celticminstrel> | There still seem to be some areas where JS is nicer than Lua though. |
| 23:50 | <@Reiv> | ToxicFrog: Why is the arrow keys important |
| 23:50 | < catadroid> | Well, Lua does lack some basic operators |
| 23:51 | < catadroid> | (sadly by design) |
| 23:51 | <@celticminstrel> | Which basic operators are you referring to? |
| 23:52 | <@celticminstrel> | If it's bitwise operators, they were added in Lua 5.3. |
| 23:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiv: because it's a game where you navigate a maze to collect letters to spell a word |
| 23:53 | < catadroid> | += |
| 23:53 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh, those. |
| 23:53 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, that's definitely one of the areas I was thinking of. |
| 23:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | Answer: use l2l and defmacro~ |
| 23:57 | <@Reiv> | ToxicFrog: Yes, I can imagine that Alex would make the game testing rather... eventful |
| 23:57 | < catadroid> | I'm assuming the aim is to give it to Alex to play :) |
| 23:58 | <@Reiv> | Sure, but he probably doesn't need to be playing it by 2 1/2 |
| 23:58 | <@Reiv> | TF on the other hand would probably appreciate having it functional before the wee lad can start 'helping' :p |
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