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| 02:18 | | * Derakon eyes https://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9528539&cid=52708353 |
| 02:18 | <&Derakon> | Does that work? |
| 02:20 | <&[R]> | Probably. |
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| 03:11 | <~Vornicus> | D: |
| 03:16 | <&McMartin> | That's worse than Duff's Device |
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| 07:10 | < catadroid> | Sadly it looks like my clang crash is fixed on their trunk build |
| 07:10 | < catadroid> | "sadly" |
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| 09:40 | | * Erik screams internally, externally and textually. Aaagh. Aaaagh. Aaaaaa. |
| 09:41 | < Erik> | I have bumped into company's "translation" program. Or rather the lack of one. |
| 09:41 | < Erik> | Messages to be translated are segregated on wiki webpages by which release version they appear in. |
| 09:41 | < catadroid> | I10n, which has as much teeth as it sounds like? |
| 09:42 | < Erik> | There are atrocious mismatches: misspelled English sentence that does not correspond AT ALL to the ungrammatical Norwegian sentence in the other column. |
| 09:42 | < catadroid> | That sounds like quite the process |
| 09:42 | < Erik> | The column for Norwegian sentences is headed with the title "Norweigian", which is a terrible terrible sign for a translation-related page. |
| 09:43 | < Erik> | There is no translation program and there are no translators. The messages have been thrown up on wikipages as releases roll out, then "whoever is available" has done whatever they can in translating. Aaaaaaaaa. |
| 09:43 | < Erik> | Untranslated English words are left in the Norwegian phrases. |
| 09:43 | < Erik> | Words have been translated that should not be translated because they cannot be translated. |
| 09:44 | <@TheWatcher> | ... |
| 09:44 | < Erik> | To wit, the English indefinite articles are "a"/"an", depending on the initial letter of the following word. |
| 09:44 | < Erik> | The Norwegian indefinite articles are "en"/"ei"/"et", depending on the gender of the noun referred to. |
| 09:44 | < Erik> | The translation page says that English article "an" shall be translated with Norwegian article "en". |
| 09:44 | < Erik> | (Or maybe the other way around; directionality is not specified.) |
| 09:45 | < Erik> | Aaaaaaagh. |
| 09:46 | <@TheWatcher> | Obviously, you need to get some version of "Luftputebåten min er full av ål" in there~ |
| 09:47 | < Erik> | That would be an improvement. The quality level here is more like "Oh dear! It seems my airpillowboat has been filled with ål. Please close and start the app." |
| 09:48 | <@TheWatcher> | .... ahahahahah |
| 09:48 | <@TheWatcher> | I shouldn't be amused at your pain, sorry, but gods >.< |
| 09:49 | < Erik> | TheWatcher: You know what's really amusing? The app in question has passed a million users already. |
| 09:50 | < Erik> | Whoever may or may not get put on a translation project if one gets organized (I am screaming at them to please put me on this, I have professional experience) will be playing oh god catchup for something that's on international release 1.6.x. |
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| 10:16 | < catadroid> | I just had a brain about inheritance |
| 10:16 | < catadroid> | It's difficult because every time you inherit you increase the context |
| 10:17 | < catadroid> | And if I'm applying the idea of keeping context small in order to preserve short term memory registers in the brain, composition is obviously better |
| 10:17 | < catadroid> | Since that retains the composed object as a nominal pivot point |
| 10:18 | | * catadroid hms |
| 10:19 | | * TheWatcher presses ze button that starts the process of upgrading gitlab |
| 10:20 | <@TheWatcher> | (I just know this is going to be full of spiders and pain) |
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| 11:48 | < catadroid`> | Yeah, for all of Go's oddities I love the general premise |
| 12:17 | < catadroid`> | That moment when you've delegated a task to the coder you mentored and he does a better job of it than you would have ^.^ *proud* |
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| 12:26 | <@TheWatcher> | The thing about Go for me is that I really bloody hope it's production-worthy, because gitlab has a git http helper written in Go, and I really don't want it to fuck up in the middle of labs or someshit. |
| 12:28 | < catadroid`> | Hah |
| 12:28 | < catadroid`> | Fair |
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| 12:55 | <@simon> | the shortcuts of unix programs on mac seem a little schizophrenic. |
| 12:56 | <@simon> | there is a completely inconsistent competition about what the various control keys should do in emacs. |
| 12:56 | <@TheWatcher> | Ohgods |
| 12:57 | <@TheWatcher> | YEah |
| 12:58 | <@simon> | ctrl+arrows is reserved for osx'es window system, cmd+arrows lets me skip text by words/paragraphs, ctrl+w deletes text, cmd+w copies, ctrl+y pastes. I just mess up ctrl and cmd *all* the time. |
| 12:59 | <@simon> | I was beginning to like the consistency of cmd+c, cmd+v for copy/paste that even works in the terminal. |
| 13:00 | <@simon> | but now it's either cmd+c/cmd+v or cmd+w/ctrl+y :P |
| 13:00 | | * simon should do some remapping. |
| 13:00 | <@simon> | also, the ctrl+arrows is really useless. I should disable that and use it for saner things. |
| 13:00 | <@Azash> | https://twitter.com/musalbas/status/765318905942376449 |
| 13:00 | <@simon> | I had just been hoping osx would be like ubuntu: sane defaults, so you don't waste so much time customizing your setup to a point where you can't live without them. |
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| 13:58 | <@TheWatcher> | Sweet merciful Cthulhu, I hate ruby |
| 14:05 | < catadroid> | Anything specifically? |
| 14:09 | <@TheWatcher> | Partly dealing with version changes (in this case, 2.0 to 2.1), partly that any time I need to poke around inside ruby code, it feels like I'm having to be a bleedin detective |
| 14:10 | <@TheWatcher> | Moreso than in pretty much any other language I've dealt with |
| 14:10 | < catadroid> | It seems to have taken the Perl philosophy and used it to murder smalltalk |
| 14:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | Hmm. Naming question. I am working on a command line flag parsing library. Its main entry point is flags.parse(...), which takes a command line as input and returns the table of parsed flag values and residual positional arguments. |
| 14:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | I want to write an "incremental parse" function, which is tolerant of unrecognized flags. |
| 14:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | (the idea being that you can call it very early, before all the flag definitions are loaded, to set up e.g. logging) |
| 14:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | Something like 'parsePartial' or 'parseIncremental' would work as a name, but I want a single-word name for consistency with the rest of the library. |
| 14:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | And I'm having trouble thinking of one. |
| 14:55 | < catadroid> | flags.parsial. Or, more seriously, parse and parseAll? |
| 14:56 | < catadroid> | Hm |
| 14:56 | < catadroid> | parseTolerant |
| 14:56 | < catadroid> | Single words though |
| 14:57 | < catadroid> | Isn't this more of an error handling switch? |
| 14:57 | <@Azash> | parsial is amazing |
| 15:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | catadroid: kind of, yeah |
| 15:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | Maybe I just need to rethink parse() to take an array and some options rather than being VA |
| 15:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | (and break all the code using it, but AFAIK I'm the only person who does, so it's ok) |
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| 15:33 | <@ErikMesoy> | I have an addendum to the Abomination of Translation from earlier today |
| 15:33 | <@ErikMesoy> | TXT_KEY_USERMOENY |
| 15:33 | <@ErikMesoy> | (but don't worry, it's consistently spelled this way across all versions of the app for different platforms and in the database, so everything works fine) |
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| 16:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | Ok, yeah, I think it's going to change from flags.parse(...) to flags.parse(argv, allow_undefined, allow_missing) |
| 16:50 | | * catadroid nods |
| 16:51 | < catadroid> | No love for parsial? ;) |
| 16:59 | < catadroid> | C++ is such a mess |
| 17:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | parsial is great but I want something that won't require other users to go "what?" every time they see it :P |
| 17:18 | <@Azash> | catadroid: I encountered embedded GUI middleware written in C++ over the last week |
| 17:19 | <@Azash> | It was possibly the worst mess I've ever seen |
| 17:23 | < catadroid> | That sounds awful |
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| 17:48 | < wolfmoon> | Hello |
| 17:48 | < wolfmoon> | @Pi mentioned the channel to me :) |
| 17:49 | < wolfmoon> | Does anyone maybe have a minute to help with something? |
| 17:49 | < wolfmoon> | How does basic HTTP auth work? I am currently working on a django project but it has to use basic http auth but I do not know exactly what that entails |
| 17:49 | < wolfmoon> | I read somewhere that is uses HTTP headers. Now what does that mean? |
| 17:56 | <@celticminstrel> | I wonder if the compiler is smart enough to deduplicate identical lambdas. |
| 18:06 | <&Derakon> | wolfmoon: you should be able to install an auth module for Django. |
| 18:07 | <&Derakon> | Then you put an "auth_required" (or something like that, I forget specifiecs) decorator on various view methods and they'll fail if the user isn't logged in. |
| 18:07 | <&Derakon> | You'll also need a login page of course, but the Django auth module provides a basic one you can use. |
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| 18:21 | < wolfmoon> | Thanks all! I will have a look at that |
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| 18:46 | <&[R]> | I don't think anyone uses HTTP auth anymore. |
| 18:46 | <&[R]> | Except Nagios |
| 18:50 | <@Pi> | wolfmoon: Yeah, Django's built in auth system should do everything you need. |
| 18:51 | < wolfmoon> | Thanks! :D |
| 18:54 | <@celticminstrel> | ...so, if I write "subclass_instance == superclass_instance", which operator== is called? |
| 18:55 | <@celticminstrel> | The subclass one or the superclass one? |
| 18:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | What language? |
| 18:55 | <@celticminstrel> | (Asuming only heterogenous operator== are defined) |
| 18:55 | <@celticminstrel> | C++ |
| 18:56 | | * ToxicFrog defers to catalyst |
| 18:57 | < catalyst> | I would assume that's subclass.operator==(superclass) |
| 18:58 | < catalyst> | But I'd define an operator== as a free function partly for this reason |
| 18:58 | < catalyst> | If it was a real running system I'd be putting breakpoints in to check these assumptions |
| 18:58 | <&Derakon> | Per http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/operators I believe it uses the subclass operator== |
| 18:58 | < catalyst> | Writing code that relies on them feels broken |
| 19:03 | <&McMartin> | Agree |
| 19:03 | <&McMartin> | But yeah, I think "this" is nevertheless always the LHS of binary overridden ops |
| 19:05 | <&[R]> | Least Hellish Senario? |
| 19:08 | <&Derakon> | Left Hand Side. |
| 19:14 | < wolfmoon> | Hello, may I ask another silly question? Since I am new to Django, would this line of code work: |
| 19:14 | < wolfmoon> | url(r'Weather/',include('WeatherModule.urls')) |
| 19:15 | < wolfmoon> | In the url for the main application-place |
| 19:15 | <&Derakon> | I'm a bad person to ask for specifics about Django. That looks right, but there could easily be some minor typo that I wouldn't recognize just because I'm rusty. |
| 19:16 | < wolfmoon> | My main question is actually if the r'^weather/' acts as a place holder? :P |
| 19:16 | < wolfmoon> | Because I do not want WeatherModule to appear in the URL |
| 19:16 | < Vornotron> | why is that a r-- oh, it's a regex, okay |
| 19:16 | <&Derakon> | The first parameter to the url() function is the string that will appear in the URL in the user's browser. |
| 19:17 | < wolfmoon> | Ah ^^ Thought so, thank you |
| 19:17 | <&Derakon> | So "WeatherModule" shouldn't appear in the URL. Unless of course its URLs module contains URLs with "WeatherModule", in which case you might see e.g. "Weather/WeatherModule/foo.html". But that seems unlikely. |
| 19:17 | < wolfmoon> | Vornotron: Is a rejex a place holder for something like that? |
| 19:18 | < wolfmoon> | Ah, yeah, the tutorial used their module name in the rejex (if that IS the name of the r'^) |
| 19:18 | < Vornotron> | I don't know django at all. I was wondering why you were using a raw string for the first input, yes |
| 19:18 | < wolfmoon> | Oh okay :) |
| 19:18 | < Vornotron> | raw strings are used for regexes so you don't get backslashsplosion |
| 19:19 | < wolfmoon> | That makes sense. |
| 19:21 | <&ToxicFrog> | (they're also used for other things, but in this case it's being used for a regex) |
| 19:25 | <&[R]> | Shouldn't it be: r"^/Weather/"? |
| 19:26 | < wolfmoon> | Python allows both " and ' |
| 19:26 | <&[R]> | That wasn't my point |
| 19:27 | < wolfmoon> | What was your point? |
| 19:27 | <&[R]> | Look at my regex? |
| 19:27 | <&[R]> | I mean, you don't want to be matching /Foo/Weather do you? |
| 19:31 | < wolfmoon> | I am not following? If you add the / then it has to be doubled in the browser |
| 19:31 | < wolfmoon> | url* |
| 19:31 | <&[R]> | No |
| 19:31 | <&[R]> | Servers get the URI with a leading / |
| 19:33 | <&[R]> | Ah, django strips that |
| 19:33 | <&[R]> | However, you still want ^ at the start |
| 19:38 | < wolfmoon> | Yes, the ^ still needs to be there |
| 19:45 | < wolfmoon> | [R]:Thank you for the help though :D |
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| 21:22 | < wolfmoon> | Hello |
| 21:30 | < Vornotron> | Is it me you're looking for |
| 21:32 | <@abudhabi> | I can see it in your eyes |
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