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| 21:53 | <@ErikMesoy> | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnrflKqWIAAdSGP.jpg:large |
| 22:00 | <&[R]> | I dunno man. |
| 22:00 | <&[R]> | I'd rather PHP over MUMPS or VB. |
| 22:00 | <&McMartin> | Do I get to pick which version of VB? |
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| 22:01 | <&[R]> | Does one ever? |
| 22:02 | <&[R]> | Though to be fair. I'd probably kill myself if I had to use PHP before 5.3 |
| 22:02 | < catadroid> | Particularly Harmful Programming |
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| 22:08 | <&McMartin> | R: Well, if I get to pick VB.NET, I'm pretty much writing a syntactic transform on basic C#, and that's way less offensive than PHP |
| 22:09 | <&McMartin> | OTOH, given what I do for fun, maybe I *would* nevertheless have more fun with MUMPS =P |
| 22:10 | <~Vornicus> | yes but that's because you're some ikind of freak |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | That also said, ahving looked over it, I think saying that it does the smalltalk thing of variables being disk dumps is like saying SQL does. =P |
| 22:12 | <&McMartin> | And no, I wouldn't have more fun with it because what this totally is is the 1970s equivalent of Big Data |
| 22:12 | <&McMartin> | Which I don't actually enjoy. |
| 22:19 | <@ErikMesoy> | At work today at new assignment (tester for hire), I received username and password for logging into the FocalPoint⢠system which the present company uses for tracking hours worked. |
| 22:19 | <@ErikMesoy> | Poking around the interface, I tried obvious-looking buttons like "Create new timesheet" and got nowhere. So I opened the help file. |
| 22:20 | <@ErikMesoy> | The help file had no entry for putting in hours or any phrase like it. It had lots of entries for administering, synergizing, and managing FocalPointâ¢. |
| 22:20 | <@ErikMesoy> | Hoping for the best, I went for the Overview section of the help, and was presented with the following: |
| 22:20 | <@ErikMesoy> | "Focal Point⢠is a comprehensive portfolio planning solution for market-driven teams. With Focal Pointâ¢, teams can make collaborative, objective decisions to deliver market, customer, and business value. By understanding what matters most, your organization can respond to dynamic market conditions and deliver valued products and projects." |
| 22:20 | <@ErikMesoy> | "Focal Point⢠reduces the chaos of managing information in emails, documents, and spreadsheets by providing a collaborative environment for centralizing requirements, products, and project data." |
| 22:21 | <~Vornicus> | what the Focal Point⢠|
| 22:21 | <@ErikMesoy> | YOUR HELP FILE SHOULD NOT READ LIKE YOUR ADVERTISEMENTS. |
| 22:21 | <~Vornicus> | Preach |
| 22:22 | | * ErikMesoy noped out at that point and consulted elder coworker for help. Said coworker discovered that I can't actually register my hours in Focal Point⢠yet because I do not have a project code for my work. |
| 22:26 | | * catadroid wonders if it would be perverse to write an application using Go for a backend and clojurescript for a front end |
| 22:27 | <&McMartin> | ... No? |
| 22:27 | <@ErikMesoy> | It's not properly perverse until you use Pokemon Go for the mid-end. |
| 22:27 | <&McMartin> | Like, those are both languages being used for their intended use case |
| 22:27 | <@ErikMesoy> | IP over Pocket Avian Carrier |
| 22:27 | < catadroid> | Perverse only in that I would be learning both essentially from scratch at the same time |
| 22:28 | < catadroid> | Then again it's not really from scratch |
| 22:28 | <&McMartin> | I dunno, that sounds like learning about English grammar in Spanish class, which I am A-OK with >.> |
| 22:28 | < catadroid> | Just that I don't tend to write much actual code outside of work |
| 22:28 | < catadroid> | But this would be two languages I'll never use at work so am unlikely to end up causing overlap |
| 22:29 | <&McMartin> | Sounds good |
| 22:31 | <&[R]> | Is Clojurescript one of those "compiles to JS" shitfests? |
| 22:32 | <&[R]> | Ah, google says yes |
| 22:32 | <&McMartin> | It is specifically a JS-emitting backend for Clojure, a modern Lisp variant. |
| 22:32 | <&McMartin> | The other two backends are JVM and CLR. |
| 22:32 | < catadroid> | Clojure <3 |
| 22:32 | <&[R]> | Yeah, I'm not against the idea itself |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | Clojure is not to be confused with Closure, a JS-to-more-JS compiler. |
| 22:33 | <&[R]> | Just... you can't actually do it in such a way that you're not going to end up with the generated JS giving completely useless stack traces. |
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| 22:34 | <~Vornicus> | I've found myself in more and more situations lately where there's actually a compile step |
| 22:34 | <&McMartin> | This is kind of the same argument against non-C-like function call semantics |
| 22:34 | <~Vornicus> | We've started actually using less (compiles to css) in our systems |
| 22:35 | <&[R]> | CSS at least is simple enough it's not that big of a deal. |
| 22:36 | <~Vornicus> | less is nice in that on your dev environment you can actually use it -- there's a js system that compiles linked less files to css. |
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| 22:54 | < catadroid> | More confusingly, clojurescript is entirely based on closure |
| 22:54 | <&[R]> | Searching for Closure JS isn't getting me anything relating to a tool (for obvious reasons) |
| 22:55 | <&McMartin> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Closure_Tools |
| 22:56 | <&[R]> | Nice, thanks |
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