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| 04:11 | <&McMartin> | "Linguists like ambiguity more than other people" |
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| 08:08 | < catadroid`> | Really? |
| 08:08 | < catadroid`> | And yes |
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| 12:24 | | * TheWatcher gets the first part of IKELOS PENNINE GREEN (aka 'Titor') working, now for the hard bit involving much rsync magic |
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| 20:39 | <@ErikMesoy> | Hmmm. A dilemma arises: to initially write a god object with a squillion methods, or to initially guess at the classes+objects I will need for a finicky, unfamiliar project? Both will probably require major refactoring later on anyway. |
| 20:40 | <&McMartin> | The latter; it's easier to squish together smaller objects then disentangle a giant skein of dependencies. |
| 20:40 | <&McMartin> | That *said* |
| 20:40 | <&McMartin> | If there isn't an obvious breakdown into objects |
| 20:41 | <&McMartin> | I suggest the alternative design school of "a small number of types of data objects, and many functions that operate on them" |
| 20:41 | <&McMartin> | Rather than a profusion of classes and a small number of functions shared between them |
| 20:43 | <&McMartin> | The problem with god objects isn't really so much that they are not OO enough |
| 20:43 | <&McMartin> | It's that they're also sacrificing the notion of modules |
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| 22:46 | <@ErikMesoy> | I feel I'm skimping on my argument-passing in favor of references that shouldn't work. What's going on here? Why is this allowed? When does it stop being allowed? Minimal example code. http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/706 |
| 22:47 | <@ErikMesoy> | This is what happens when I start thinking "Can I...", find that I can, and push to see just how much I can. >_> |
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| 23:01 | <~Vornicus> | It's allowed because otherwise you have the issue that, in C, headers "solve" |
| 23:06 | <~Vornicus> | In C, symbols have to be defined before you refer to them in any context whatsoever, so you need headers. In Java it kind of figures out what the headers would be. In Python, like in most interpreted languages, it resolve symbols when they are encountered in execution, and not before. |
| 23:13 | <~Vornicus> | So in this case - the program only executes line 9 (as opposed to building it into bytecode) after executing line 14 and thus defining what Redshirt is. |
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| 23:29 | < simon_> | couldn't you even refer to something non-existent on line 9, and it would still first fail when executing line 14? |
| 23:29 | <~Vornicus> | Yep! |
| 23:30 | < simon_> | I never got why that was a feature. |
| 23:32 | <~Vornicus> | Because the alternatives are worse in a variety of ways. |
| 23:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | ErikMesoy: nit: you don't need any of those 'pass' statements |
| 23:59 | <@ErikMesoy> | I know. I write them as hinters for autoindenting. |
| 23:59 | <@ErikMesoy> | I also like them for the "function ends here" explicit marking sometimes. |
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