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| 12:16 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh hey, CODICIL WINTER HILL isn't sending subscriptions 10 minutes late anymore! |
| 12:16 | <@TheWatcher> | Nope. Now it's sending them 10 minutes early |
| 12:16 | <@TheWatcher> | WTFARGHLFLAIL |
| 12:20 | < abudhabi> | You know what they say. Early bird catches the Worm of the World's End. |
| 12:28 | | * TheWatcher frobnicates the twiddly bits in the hope of refining the behaviour |
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| 15:51 | | * TheWatcher sticks a Dr Kleiner quote into part of his course materials, wonders if anyone will notice >.> |
| 15:58 | <@gnolam> | FOREIGN KEY (sample) REFERENCES Xen (crystal) ON RESONANCE CASCADE |
| 16:38 | | * Azash grits teeth over Java generics |
| 16:38 | < Azash> | 99% convenient 1% hellish |
| 16:39 | < Azash> | Today's experience: I can't pass a Collection<? extends Foo> to a function that wants Collection<? extends Foo> because when parsing Java marks the former as anchor 1 and the latter as anchor 2 and perceives it as a threat to strong typing to merge the two anchors |
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| 17:48 | < abudhabi> | Hmm. I need $fields populated before I initialize $components, but I need to initialize $components before I can pass them $fields. |
| 17:51 | < abudhabi> | Actually, I'm wrong! I can initialize $components first. |
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| 17:51 | < abudhabi> | I've finally refactored this enough so it runs in addition to compiling, and not being a horrible thread-unsafe monstrosity. |
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| 17:55 | < abudhabi> | Anyway, Java question, which I've asked before: What's the proper way of a child making a call to its parent's method? |
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| 18:08 | <@celticminstrel> | ... "ON RESONANCE"? |
| 18:08 | < abudhabi> | RESONANCE JOIN RESONANCE ON RESONANCE.Id = RESONANCE.Id |
| 18:08 | <@celticminstrel> | abudhabi: super.blah() |
| 18:09 | <@celticminstrel> | But only from within blah(), generally. |
| 18:09 | < abudhabi> | celticminstrel: Nein. They're not superclass/subclass. They're an object within an object. |
| 18:09 | <@celticminstrel> | You mean an inner class? |
| 18:09 | <@celticminstrel> | That would be this.OuterClass.blah() |
| 18:09 | <@gnolam> | celticminstrel: are you asking about ON RESONANCE or was it a reply to AD? |
| 18:09 | < abudhabi> | I mean like a panel in a frame. |
| 18:10 | <@celticminstrel> | gnolam: It was not at abudhabi. |
| 18:10 | <@celticminstrel> | abudhabi: Inner class means a non-static class defined inside a class. |
| 18:10 | <@celticminstrel> | Is that what this is? |
| 18:10 | < abudhabi> | No. |
| 18:11 | <@celticminstrel> | Then I have no idea what you're talking about. :| |
| 18:11 | < abudhabi> | It's an OBJECT FIELD inside a class. |
| 18:11 | <@celticminstrel> | ...uh... |
| 18:11 | < abudhabi> | I want, from inside of the object, to call a method of the class. |
| 18:11 | <@celticminstrel> | The only way to do that is for the so-called child to contain a reference back to its so-called parent. |
| 18:11 | < abudhabi> | Either that - or if it's insane, redesign it somehow. |
| 18:12 | < abudhabi> | Yeah, I'm doing it by reference now. |
| 18:12 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't know if it's insane. I don't even know what you're doing. |
| 18:12 | <@celticminstrel> | Though, I think what I described is exactly what inner classes do implicitly... |
| 18:12 | <@celticminstrel> | So if the so-called child class is small, I suppose you could move it to be an inner class... |
| 18:13 | < abudhabi> | JFrame extending class has a TimerTask extending class object as a field, which is Runnable, and wants to prod the JFrame to update itself periodically. |
| 18:14 | <@celticminstrel> | That does sound like the sort of place where I'd at least consider using an inner class. |
| 18:15 | <@celticminstrel> | If the TimerTask is pretty complicated though, I think the other way is probably fine. |
| 18:15 | < abudhabi> | I've never used an inner class. |
| 18:15 | < abudhabi> | What are the advantages here? |
| 18:15 | <@celticminstrel> | So gnolam, what is this "ON RESONANCE" thing? |
| 18:16 | < abudhabi> | celticminstrel: It's a pun on Half Life. |
| 18:16 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't know anything about Half Life... |
| 18:17 | < abudhabi> | You'd get the reference if you'd play up to the shooty part. |
| 18:17 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh, I was wrong. It's OuterClass.this, not this.OuterClass. |
| 18:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: The whole thing kicks off when a sample of alien material sets off a "resonance cascade event", opening portals to another dimension (Xen). |
| 18:18 | <@gnolam> | Said SQL was triggered by |
| 18:18 | <@gnolam> | -*- TheWatcher sticks a Dr Kleiner quote into part of his course materials, wonders if anyone will notice >.> |
| 18:18 | <@celticminstrel> | Inner classes can implicitly refer to members from the outer class. |
| 18:18 | <@gnolam> | Dr Kleiner being a character from Half-Life. |
| 18:19 | <@celticminstrel> | I don't remember how that interacts with access specifiers. |
| 18:26 | < abudhabi> | celticminstrel: Sweet, it works. |
| 18:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | So apparently, in python, < and > is defined on object |
| 18:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you try to sort(), max(), min(), or do any other sort of ordering operation on objects that do not override those comparators, it will order them by memory address. |
| 18:35 | < abudhabi> | WHY do inner classes get implicit access to outer class methods? |
| 18:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | abudhabi: lexical scope, presumable |
| 18:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | *presumably |
| 18:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | Same reason inner functions can access their upvalues. |
| 18:36 | < abudhabi> | It's a little wierd when the inner class is not just a collection of static stuff. |
| 18:36 | < abudhabi> | *weird |
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| 20:52 | <@gnolam> | https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/654352631020720128 |
| 20:55 | <@TheWatcher> | At least there is symmetry |
| 20:55 | <&McMartin> | What TF said, and with the wrinkle "non-static inner classes are *specifically* to provide the semantics of lexically scoped function literals" |
| 20:55 | <&McMartin> | Java's static inner classes are basically poor man's namespacing |
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