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| 06:15 | < abudhabi> | gnolam: Yes. Dunno - I sleep at night. |
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| 10:07 | <@TheWatcher> | abudhabi: aurora > sleep. |
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| 12:10 | <@Tarinaky> | Sometimes work just sucks... |
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| 13:41 | <@gnolam> | Argh. |
| 13:41 | <@gnolam> | The hardest problem in computer science. |
| 13:42 | <@gnolam> | Give me a name for a configuration property that controls the amount of time after which a user is automatically logged out. |
| 13:43 | <@Tamber> | time-out? |
| 13:43 | < abudhabi> | session length? |
| 13:43 | < [R]> | sessionLength |
| 13:44 | <@TheWatcher> | DEATHCLOCK |
| 13:46 | <@gnolam> | abudhabi, [R]: that might work. Thanks. |
| 13:53 | <@Tarinaky> | Tamber: time-out implies inactivity. |
| 13:53 | <@Tarinaky> | I'd elect for duration rather than length because length implies units of displacement. |
| 13:55 | <@Tamber> | Hmm. |
| 13:55 | <@Tamber> | I thought inactivity was implied, given the question. |
| 13:55 | <@Tamber> | Unless you want to forcibly kick them out in the middle of what they're doing. :p |
| 13:56 | <@Tarinaky> | It was ambiguous imo |
| 14:24 | <@Wizard> | TTL? |
| 14:46 | <@iospace> | annnnnd someone left their computer unlocked, again |
| 14:46 | <@Wizard> | Tamber: I've used forums that did that |
| 14:46 | <@iospace> | (not me) |
| 14:48 | <@Tarinaky> | iospace: Change the desktop background to an image telling the user how to lock their PC, that locking their PC is Policy and then lock their PC? |
| 14:48 | <@Tarinaky> | Or just lock their PC |
| 14:48 | <@iospace> | I didn't catch them |
| 14:48 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 14:48 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm sure I've forgotten to lock my pc once or twice :/ |
| 14:48 | <@iospace> | (It's policy because of HIPAA and whatnot) |
| 14:48 | <@Wizard> | Tarinaky: The noble tradition at my uni dept is to change the desktop background to a rather traumatizing image of one of our lecturers |
| 14:50 | <@iospace> | heh |
| 14:51 | <@Wizard> | I wish I could find it |
| 14:52 | <@iospace> | usually it's someone editing a document you were working on or sending out silly IMs or emails |
| 14:52 | <@TheWatcher> | The ancient art of the Baggy pantsing |
| 14:53 | <@Tarinaky> | The trouble with those things is they have a risk of harm. |
| 14:53 | <@Tarinaky> | An innocuous edit to a document can go unnoticed. |
| 14:54 | <@Tarinaky> | And IMs/emails have the possibility of either being misconstrued by a third party or taken too far by 'that guy' |
| 14:54 | <@Tarinaky> | Desktop wallpaper changes are... maybe a 5 minute fix? |
| 14:55 | <@Wizard> | Five minutes to change a wallpaper? |
| 14:55 | <@Wizard> | What are you running, Gnome? |
| 14:55 | <@Tarinaky> | This is assuming the victim is inept and you're fixing it for them while laughing at them. |
| 15:16 | | * TheWatcher eughs, really dislikes jQuery's approach to things |
| 15:19 | < [R]> | Oh? |
| 15:26 | <@TheWatcher> | I find things like writing jquery plugins to be clumbersome compared to mootools classes, for example |
| 15:27 | <@TheWatcher> | -l |
| 15:27 | <@TheWatcher> | It just feels more... seat-of-the-pantsy, somehow. |
| 15:29 | <@TheWatcher> | Like it's expressly designed for you to hammer out something quick and specific and not really care about reusability that much, I think. |
| 15:29 | | * TheWatcher shrugs |
| 15:29 | <@TheWatcher> | Just feels awkward and wrong to me |
| 15:51 | <&McMartin> | https://i.imgur.com/aRdCH9A.jpg |
| 15:52 | <@TheWatcher> | Snrk |
| 16:12 | <@Tarinaky> | I can't decide what to do for dinner. |
| 16:22 | <@iospace> | food |
| 16:54 | <@iospace> | and someone else got busted with an unlocked computer |
| 16:55 | <&McMartin> | Haven't Windows, OS X, and Linux all autolocked after 10 minutes of inactivity for, like, forever? |
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| 17:03 | <@Tamber> | I think you have to configure it to. |
| 17:03 | <@Tamber> | Company-wise, I'd expect it to be set via GPO. |
| 17:06 | <@iospace> | McMartin: if you get caught in that timeframe... |
| 17:08 | <@iospace> | it's set to 15 minutes |
| 17:23 | | * Derakon rails against the former employee who decided it'd be a good idea to make a major component of the Java program be written in Clojure with nary a single line of comments anywhere. |
| 17:23 | <&Derakon> | Nothing against Clojure as a language, but you do not add a language to a project without very good reasons and at least one other employee who "speaks" it. |
| 17:24 | <&McMartin> | It targets the same binary so it's the same thing, right~ |
| 17:25 | <&McMartin> | (This attitude seems more common amongst JVM sorts than .NET or raw binary sorts, it seems like) |
| 17:25 | <&McMartin> | (Which is funny because .NET was *actually explicitly designed for that*) |
| 17:28 | < [R]> | Likely due to the fact the main language for the platform for one is quite restrictive while the other provides a bunch more friendly features at the cost of having 80% of the main library trapped in a non-ported state. |
| 17:28 | <@Shiz> | at least with .net you can write in F# |
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| 18:09 | <&ToxicFrog> | Derakon: that seems like something that should have been caught in code review. |
| 18:12 | <&McMartin> | Shiz: You can, but my understanding is that F# code is organized sufficiently differently from C# code that even people who like both suggest not mixing them. |
| 18:12 | <&McMartin> | Except at particularly sharp API boundaries, where "look like C#" is basically the norm |
| 18:12 | <&McMartin> | I wonder if any Unity projects use F# for the designer-side code. |
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| 18:20 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: This employee is no longer there, so it is also possible that it *did* pass code review but the reviewer also isn't there anymore |
| 18:20 | <&McMartin> | (Also code review is not remotely a panacea and I have no idea how people get decades of experience and end up thinking it is) |
| 18:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: it's not, but things like "this module is in a language we don't use here" should set off alarms! |
| 18:22 | <&McMartin> | Right, so, this is also (a) in academia and (b) in a project with IIRC fewer than five developers total |
| 18:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 18:23 | <&McMartin> | A lot of things that "are totally alarms, what the fuck is wrong with you people" totally aren't until you become a gigantic company |
| 18:34 | <&Derakon> | Yeah, this was "we have two full-time developers, maximum". |
| 18:34 | <&Derakon> | AIUI (I wasn't there at the time) the other dev, and our boss, were both reluctant but not so much that they were willing to block the decision to use Clojure. |
| 18:35 | <&Derakon> | The vast, vast majority of our commits do not undergo code review because we simply don't have the resources. |
| 18:35 | <&McMartin> | Also, when you only have two developers, code review is far less effective even when you do it |
| 18:35 | <&McMartin> | Because you're going to be thinking roughly the same way |
| 18:36 | <&Derakon> | Mm, right now there's a pretty clear division of labor -- he works on the C++ side and I work on the Java side. |
| 18:41 | < kourbou> | who posted the Jawascript PNG before? |
| 18:42 | < [R]> | <McMartin> https://i.imgur.com/aRdCH9A.jpg |
| 18:42 | < [R]> | ? |
| 18:42 | < kourbou> | Because I'd like to thank him. |
| 18:42 | < kourbou> | P McMartin: do you have any more pics like that? :P |
| 18:43 | <&McMartin> | I get fed silly pictures by people in a variety of channels, but most of them are not super-relevant to #code |
| 18:58 | <&Derakon> | Oh hey, anyone have a link to that "Python programmer writing Java" thing that was making the rounds a bit ago? |
| 18:58 | <&McMartin> | Probably - that was from the same source. One moment please. |
| 19:01 | <&McMartin> | https://twitter.com/thedirtycoder/status/569339014085517312 |
| 19:02 | <&McMartin> | (Apparently it was linked twice, but this one is the one that had someone saying "python programmer writing java" near it~ |
| 19:02 | <&Derakon> | Sweet, thanks. |
| 19:03 | <&Derakon> | And y'know, that does look an awful lot cleaner~ |
| 19:03 | <&McMartin> | As the other comment says "Hey, Scala" |
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| 19:24 | <@Tarinaky> | And now for something completely silly yet vaguely #code related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos |
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| 21:06 | <@iospace> | a 166 case statements in this switch |
| 21:06 | <@iospace> | of those, 15 aren't used, and 1 isn't used by us |
| 21:06 | <@iospace> | ohgodswhy.jpg |
| 21:07 | <&McMartin> | A round 150 important-to-you cases! |
| 21:07 | <&McMartin> | I assume that you actually do care about those 150 cases and that they are in fact different in ways that a specification would have to note |
| 21:12 | <@Wizard> | the land of Egypt was famished, the people cried to Pharaoh for bread: and Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Now let me show you frogs that camp out inside strings. |
| 21:15 | <@gnolam> | King James Programming? |
| 21:15 | <@Wizard> | Yeah |
| 21:18 | <@Tarinaky> | Fuck me fucking build instructions that don't make sense or even work |
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| 21:55 | | * Tarinaky throws things at the monitor. |
| 21:55 | <@Tarinaky> | What a thoroughly smegging useless build system |
| 21:56 | <&McMartin> | Which one? There are so many~ |
| 21:56 | <@Tarinaky> | genie |
| 21:56 | <@Tarinaky> | It might be the scripts that're making this horrible though |
| 21:59 | <@Tarinaky> | I wanted to have a peruse of https://github.com/bkaradzic/bgfx |
| 21:59 | <@Tarinaky> | But it generates a horrible dump directory with /all/ the project files in and there doesn't seem to be any way to trigger a CLI build after generating the project files :/ |
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| 22:03 | <@Tarinaky> | Well, not in a single command anyway |
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| 22:39 | <@Tarinaky> | Eugh. I hate Windows :/ |
| 22:54 | <@Wizard> | My average performance when programming defensively: http://i.imgur.com/EVn3kb6.jpg |
| 23:12 | < [R]> | What's that from? |
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| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | That is excellent |
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