| --- Log opened Wed Nov 21 00:00:22 2012 |
| 00:10 | < ToxicFrog> | Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Eclipse |
| 00:10 | < ToxicFrog> | I need to cite Eclipse 2.3 |
| 00:10 | < ToxicFrog> | The Eclipse Foundation is busy trying to erase all references to pre-3.x Eclipse from the historical record |
| 00:10 | <@Tamber> | Ugh. |
| 00:11 | | * Vornicus pokes at Galactic Vorntiers. Next up, writing text on the planet renders. |
| 00:25 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 00:29 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:31 | | * McMartin grumbles at open-source projects and their occasional hatred of history. |
| 00:31 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:31 | <&McMartin> | If you want to, you can totally get the original data we inherited for UQM! |
| 00:31 | <&McMartin> | All 1.5GB of useless AIFFs, so, uh, we don't usually hand it out |
| 00:31 | <&McMartin> | But it's *there if you look* |
| 00:37 | <~Vornicus> | Text is kind of a pain to draw. |
| 00:41 | <&Derakon> | Yep. |
| 00:41 | <&Derakon> | At least SDL has built-in text rendering. |
| 01:02 | <&McMartin> | Sort of |
| 01:03 | <&McMartin> | Hm |
| 01:03 | | * McMartin wonders how expensive reassigning the modelview matrix is. |
| 01:03 | <&McMartin> | I have a silly idea of locking a single quad into the GPU and using texture/modelview transform matrices to actually build a tile engine entirely out of that. |
| 01:03 | <&McMartin> | By repeating that one quad over and over and over. |
| 01:06 | <~Vornicus> | that is silly. |
| 01:08 | <&McMartin> | I'm not totally convinced it is; it means an operation that's basically "blit this here" but you're using the modelview matrix (glTranslate) to do it instead of changing the raw vertex data. |
| 01:09 | <&McMartin> | I mean, you're already using textures instead of sprites, right. |
| 01:11 | <@himi> | I imagine on reasonably modern hardware it'd be equivalent to updating a uniform value |
| 01:12 | <&McMartin> | Right |
| 01:12 | <&McMartin> | The question is "is repeatedly updating a uniform value faster or slower than submitting a dynamic set of vertices" |
| 01:13 | <~Vornicus> | well |
| 01:13 | <&McMartin> | (In 2.1, gl_ModelViewMatrix *is* a uniform value) |
| 01:13 | <~Vornicus> | a quad is 12 values, and a matrix is somewhere in the neighborhood of 9-16 depending |
| 01:14 | <@himi> | Well, given uniforms are probably optimised for updating once every draw or so, I suspect you might find that code path wasn't as highly optimised as the vertex data transfer path |
| 01:14 | <&Derakon> | Updating the value requires going back to the CPU, right? |
| 01:14 | <&McMartin> | Derakon: Right, but that's invariably true for uniforms. |
| 01:15 | <&McMartin> | Vornicus: Well, so, normally you update the modelview matrix once for each object in the scene, to place that object. |
| 01:16 | <&McMartin> | The place this came from was "in a 2D OpenGL spritey system, object == sprite." |
| 01:16 | <&McMartin> | And now that I look at the calls, actually, both are 32 values per sprite. |
| 01:17 | <&McMartin> | Oops, wait, no |
| 01:17 | <@gnolam> | The solution is obviously to use point sprites for the tiles and let the GPU handle the expansion to 4 vertices.~ |
| 01:17 | <&McMartin> | gnolam: So, actually, that's tilde-free probably not a bad idea with OpenGL 2.1+. |
| 01:17 | <&McMartin> | I'm rewinding to 1.5 here. |
| 01:18 | <&McMartin> | Where point sprites existed but kind of were terrible |
| 01:18 | | * McMartin fingertaps |
| 01:18 | <&McMartin> | Actually, what controls is CPU-based quadtree culling~ |
| 01:34 | <&McMartin> | [database] Gunther says (to vimes), "we figured out that 'big data' is what little devops make when they have a hadoop in their pants" |
| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | OK, the basic space here is 2D flip-scrolling a la Knytt Stories or VVVVVV. |
| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | Though it works with screen-based too. |
| 01:35 | <@himi> | Flip scrolling? |
| 01:36 | <&McMartin> | flip scrolling is where the scroll unit is the width or height of the playfield, resulting in the map being divided into a set of unique "screens" |
| 01:36 | <@himi> | Ah |
| 01:36 | <~Vornicus> | Flip scrolling: Zelda I, Faxanadu, VVVVVV, Knytt Stories etc |
| 01:36 | <&McMartin> | I meant "smooth-scroll based" not "screen-based. |
| 01:36 | <&McMartin> | Anyway |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | The level geometry (tiles, etc) are one large chunk of vertex buffer objects, arranged in a way that allows you to take contiguous subsets to represent a single screen. |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | The modelview matrix is, essentially, Just The View Matrix. |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | You know what screen you're on so you can pick a start point for rendering the background that actually gets everything. |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | (For smoothscrolling, you end up rendering up to four "screens" worth of stuff and rely on the card to cull the rest) |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | Objects are loaded into place as streamed vertex data. |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | Textures are all loaded and prepared at level start, as is the level backgrounds and tiles. |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | Tweaking the modelview matrix will get you the ability to do horrible Mode 7 effects and also lesser effects like screen-shaking. |
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| 02:11 | < mac> | how long do you guys think it would take to rewrite the TCPIP protocol so its "safe". |
| 02:12 | <@Tamber> | That would depend on what you mean by 'safe'. |
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| 02:16 | < mac> | safe by todays rsa6 standards. |
| 02:21 | < Zemyla> | Isn't that what you use SSL for? |
| 02:24 | < mac> | Tcpip is still vulnerable... sure your ssl is ok, but its TCPIP is the underlying structure. tell me why would you a structure build on sand? ( if you could build it on bedrock ) |
| 02:26 | < Reiv> | How on earth would you build it bedrock? |
| 02:33 | <@Azash> | There's a reason for the layer division |
| 02:35 | < mac> | azash would it be wise to rewrite the layers if you wanted the whole thing to be more secure? |
| 02:37 | <@Azash> | Also if you want to discuss, don't say things like "TCPIP protocol" |
| 02:37 | <@Azash> | TCP is designed to provide a connective service using a network layer service, and it does that reasonably well |
| 02:37 | <@Azash> | Security-wise, I'd imagine you'd want to focus more on middleware and application layers |
| 02:39 | < auREAX> | I assume you mean TLS. |
| 02:40 | < auREAX> | I also assume you don't want to 'rewrite' unless you want to break every application in existence. |
| 02:40 | < syksleep> | banks suck |
| 02:40 | | syksleep is now known as Syk |
| 02:40 | | * Syk spent nearly an hour in the bank trying to get a business account set up :| |
| 02:41 | < auREAX> | Also, putting TLS into the network layer and thus in the kernel layer means a hole in the TLS implementation would be very exploitable |
| 02:41 | <@Azash> | Did you succeed at your endeavour? |
| 02:41 | < Syk> | EVENTUALLY, yes |
| 02:41 | < auREAX> | you'd have to update your kernel to fix the hole |
| 02:41 | <@Azash> | \o/ |
| 02:41 | < Syk> | the cops were called twice to escort the arguing aboriginals out of the building, but hey |
| 02:41 | < auREAX> | mac | Tcpip is still vulnerable... sure your ssl is ok, but its TCPIP is the underlying structure. tell me why would you a structure build on sand? ( if you could build it on bedrock ) |
| 02:41 | < Syk> | that's just how it is living in Australia |
| 02:41 | < auREAX> | TCP isn't built on sand, it's just not guarded by machine guns |
| 02:42 | < Syk> | TCP is fine |
| 02:42 | < Syk> | there's TLS for a reason |
| 02:42 | < auREAX> | that was his idea |
| 02:42 | < auREAX> | 'rewrite' TCP to automatically do TLS |
| 02:43 | < Syk> | ugh |
| 02:44 | < Syk> | mother is upset, I think I might just go out again or something |
| 02:44 | < auREAX> | what's up |
| 02:44 | < auREAX> | @Azash | There's a reason for the layer division |
| 02:44 | < auREAX> | Needs to be said TCP/IP is already pretty wishy-washy as for in what layer it resides |
| 02:45 | <@Azash> | You mean TCP? |
| 02:45 | < Syk> | auREAX: mother's been fucked over by work |
| 02:45 | < auREAX> | yeah |
| 02:45 | < Syk> | -v- man this has been all sorts of fuckery |
| 02:47 | < mac> | aureax would rewriting tcp/ip destroy every application? |
| 02:48 | | mode/#code [+ao ToxicFrog ToxicFrog] by ChanServ |
| 02:49 | < auREAX> | unless you update every kernel in the world at the same time |
| 02:53 | < mac> | so i would need to write a new kernel for the os that was going to use the new standard? could i build in both standards? |
| 02:56 | < Syk> | you'd need to write a new networking stack |
| 02:59 | < mac> | how long would it take a big corp like apple or microsoft to do? (do well) |
| 03:05 | <@Azash> | It would probably take months |
| 03:05 | <@himi> | Depending on how much of a change you implemented, rewriting IP might not be too much of an issue |
| 03:05 | <@Azash> | Not including the time for IETF standardization |
| 03:06 | <@himi> | In fact, it gets done on a regular basis |
| 03:06 | <@Azash> | Also not including the time spent convincing all parties |
| 03:06 | <@himi> | For a major flag-fall style change, just look at how long it's taken everyone to decide to support IPv6 |
| 03:06 | <@Azash> | Also not including the months or years spent getting the kind of networking knowledge that will allow you to write protocols from scratch |
| 03:07 | <@Azash> | Also not including all the cryptographic, EE and security engineering knowledge to implement proper security |
| 03:07 | <@Azash> | I could go on :P |
| 03:08 | <@himi> | Oh hey, IPv6 actually includes built-in support for ad-hoc encryption of links |
| 03:08 | <@himi> | If you like the idea of building TLS into the core stack |
| 03:24 | < auREAX> | himi: bullshit |
| 03:24 | < auREAX> | it took an isp here 2 years to implement ipv6 here |
| 03:24 | < auREAX> | afters its standardization |
| 03:24 | < auREAX> | :p |
| 03:24 | < auREAX> | after* |
| 03:26 | <@Azash> | There are always exceptions |
| 03:26 | <@Azash> | I don't think the argument was as much "impossible to be done quickly" as "not going to be done quickly" |
| 03:27 | < auREAX> | it was just a joke |
| 03:27 | < auREAX> | my own isp still has no v6 support |
| 03:27 | < auREAX> | scrubs |
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| 04:10 | !Deepthought.NY.US.Nightstar.Net *** iospace invited Thalass|afk into the channel |
| 04:11 | <@Azash> | That's quite |
| 04:11 | | * Azash sunglasses |
| 04:11 | <@Azash> | NOTICEable |
| 04:13 | | * iospace groans |
| 04:14 | | Thalass|santapics [thalass@Nightstar-20568af1.bigpond.net.au] has joined #code |
| 04:14 | | * Thalass|santapics flops, then afk. |
| 04:14 | <@iospace> | :D |
| 04:16 | | * Alek grabs a sledge, smashes the sunglasses. |
| 04:16 | | * iospace grabs the sledge from Alek |
| 04:16 | <@iospace> | you're doing it wrong |
| 04:16 | | * iospace introduces the sledge to Azash's skull |
| 04:17 | <@Alek> | well, it's not the puns I object to so much as the sunglasses meme. |
| 04:17 | <@Azash> | What do you have against poor Horatio? |
| 04:18 | <@Alek> | it's been overdone. let it die plzkthx. |
| 04:18 | <@Azash> | There is a certain irony in your statement, but let's not dwell on that |
| 04:18 | <@Alek> | there's SOME instances where a meme is appropriate. |
| 04:19 | <@Alek> | but trying to hammer a double-trapezoid peg into a round hole is a little much. |
| 04:19 | <@Alek> | bah. slep. |
| 04:19 | <@Azash> | To be honest, that pun was very similar to the kind of punchline you tend to hear at the end of CSI Miami intros |
| 04:19 | <@Azash> | I'll maintain that the usage was very appropriate |
| 04:20 | <@Alek> | bah I sez. |
| 04:21 | <@Azash> | Though, seeing the reaction, I think I'll just avoid jokes from now on |
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| 04:31 | < Syk> | ughhhhhhh |
| 04:31 | | * Syk flops on iospace :C |
| 04:32 | | * iospace squishes |
| 04:42 | | * iospace pokes Syk |
| 04:51 | | * Syk pokes iospace |
| 04:51 | < Syk> | first client job in an hour~ |
| 04:53 | <@himi> | My ISP has been offering v6 for years now too, but it's only in the last 12 months that my work has been doing anything serious about it |
| 04:53 | <@himi> | And thats' only because it's now a government requirement |
| 04:54 | < Syk> | the main ISP in aus is herpaderp and you have to request it and be a business customer |
| 04:57 | <@himi> | Bigpong is definitely about as dumb as you can get |
| 04:57 | | * himi is with Internode |
| 05:01 | < Syk> | i'm with Telstra |
| 05:10 | | KiMo|showerandstuff is now known as Kindamoody |
| 05:23 | <@himi> | You poor bastart |
| 05:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | xArgh |
| 05:25 | <&ToxicFrog> | I keep reading ISP as I_{sp} and getting confused |
| 05:27 | | * Azash waves at ToxicFrog |
| 05:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | (yeah I've been rocket-sciencing) |
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| 06:28 | < Syk> | went on my first repair job |
| 06:28 | < Syk> | one of the laptops was a Pentium M |
| 06:29 | < Syk> | my 64bit Linux USB didn't work on it |
| 06:29 | < Syk> | at least it had USB booting >v< |
| 06:36 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
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| 06:46 | <@Azash> | You can phase out 32-bit bootable media in.. 2023 maybe? |
| 06:48 | <@Tamber> | Bit optimistic, aren't you? :p |
| 06:48 | <@Azash> | Probably |
| 06:56 | | * Thalass|santapics mwahaha |
| 06:56 | | Thalass|santapics is now known as Thalass |
| 06:57 | | * Azash sits down to work, looks at commits, notes that readme is at 7 lines after getting 11 commits yesterday |
| 06:57 | <@Azash> | I've heard the adage about "commit early, commit often" but this is a bit overdone |
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| 07:20 | <@froztbyte> | why? |
| 07:21 | <@froztbyte> | <Syk> my 64bit Linux USB didn't work on it |
| 07:21 | <@froztbyte> | get systemrescuecd |
| 07:21 | <@froztbyte> | the image is simultaneously 32bit and 64bit capable |
| 07:23 | <@froztbyte> | back when I used to do such things I had about 7 different memory sticks with random things loaded (couldn't get more than a 1GB or so at the time), some SD cards, a disc wallet full of things |
| 07:23 | <@froztbyte> | MiniPE, BartPE, sysreccd, ubuntu livedisc, fedora livedisc, the first few discs of deb, the rh9 discs, ... |
| 07:23 | | * froztbyte could bootstrap nearly anything |
| 07:24 | <@froztbyte> | (anything x86 and amd64, at least) |
| 07:24 | <@froztbyte> | oh and I also had a small 80GB laptop drive that I could just jack into things, alongside the SATA/PATA convertor unit :D |
| 07:27 | < Syk> | wheeeee back |
| 07:27 | < Syk> | froztbyte: I just got a 10.04 bootable USB |
| 07:27 | < Syk> | :P which worked |
| 07:27 | <@froztbyte> | I actually sorta want to stab you for saying that ;) |
| 07:28 | <@froztbyte> | (USB is a form factor and wire protocol) |
| 07:30 | | * Azash has epiphany as to how the codebase works, puts on wizard het |
| 07:30 | <@Azash> | hat |
| 07:31 | < Thalass> | USB is a radio term, darn kids. |
| 07:32 | < Thalass> | get offa my band, with yer wye-fies, and yer four-geez. |
| 07:32 | | Thalass is now known as Thalass|afk |
| 07:37 | < Syk> | Azash: USB bootable media |
| 07:37 | < Syk> | :P how's that |
| 07:38 | <@Azash> | Syk: Hmm? |
| 07:41 | < Syk> | uh |
| 07:41 | < Syk> | froztbyte: * |
| 07:41 | < Syk> | i cannot into irc comprehension |
| 07:41 | | * Azash pats Syk |
| 07:42 | <@froztbyte> | Thalass|afk: lulz |
| 07:42 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: pointer error |
| 07:42 | <@froztbyte> | and syntax error |
| 07:43 | < Syk> | :< |
| 07:43 | | * Syk is all the errors |
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| 07:47 | <@froztbyte> | if errorCond: raise syk |
| 07:47 | | * Syk throws up all over the terminal |
| 07:47 | < Syk> | ugh, got some unicode stuck in there |
| 07:51 | <@froztbyte> | http://blog.froztbyte.net/2012/08/everything-is-not-just-a-string/ |
| 07:53 | | celticminstrel is now known as celmin|sleep |
| 07:53 | < Syk> | hehee |
| 08:02 | | * Syk feels sort of bad charging $80/hr >v> |
| 08:02 | < Syk> | ...but then again, freelance, and everywhere in town is $110+, so |
| 08:03 | < Syk> | and I do have to make a living <v< |
| 08:03 | | mac [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-fe8a1f12.il.comcast.net] has left #code [""] |
| 08:04 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: just because it's easy and cheap to your mind, doesn't mean it is to theirs |
| 08:04 | <@froztbyte> | if they're prepared to pay 80/hr, that's an acceptable rate |
| 08:04 | < Syk> | well, hm. |
| 08:04 | < Syk> | I suppose |
| 08:05 | < Syk> | at least I'm not the guy who charges $90 for an anti-virus scan with a coupon lol |
| 08:08 | | * Vornicus giggles at froztbyte's link. |
| 08:08 | <~Vornicus> | Fun part, on your blog the symbols appear correctly, but they do not when I follow the link |
| 08:09 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
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| 09:40 | <@Azash> | 10:32 <+one[coding]1> one day i was asleep early, dad didnt notice because lights were turned off, asked me something, i jumped up started typing code and rambling about fragment shaders |
| 09:40 | <@Azash> | Dedication! |
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| 09:45 | < Thalass> | attempting to keep inquisitive fingers away from a breadboard with servo twitching away and lights blinking: The joy of parenthood >.< |
| 09:47 | | * Syk is gonna write a game for the lols |
| 09:47 | | * Syk is gonna make it be in SPACE |
| 09:47 | < Thalass> | Then it will be the best game. |
| 09:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Acthung nein fingerpoken~ |
| 09:47 | < Thalass> | *snerk* |
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| 11:06 | <@Tarinaky> | "You think that is a string? Oh silly you! Think twice! The third and fourth character are actually a pointer to a function that returns an asshole. I'm so fucking clever!!!" |
| 11:06 | <@Tarinaky> | Reddit on C. |
| 11:12 | < AnnoDomini> | Lul. |
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| 11:54 | <@Azash> | My favourite part about C: people who have never used it bitching about it |
| 11:57 | <@Azash> | Tarinaky: Could you link to that post? |
| 11:59 | < AnnoDomini> | I like C. |
| 12:01 | <@Azash> | To me C is the language that embodies the UNIX philosophy |
| 12:01 | | * Azash waits for someone to start snarking about brainfuck |
| 12:02 | < AnnoDomini> | I find that C has everything I need. It's sure nice to use some of the synctatic shortcuts from C++, but otherwise, the rest of C++ I don't have any need for. |
| 12:23 | < Syk> | ugh. |
| 12:25 | < Syk> | the easiest way to write this application isn't maybe optimal |
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| 12:29 | <@Tarinaky> | Azash: Don't have the link. And the discussion isn't worth having. |
| 12:29 | <@Tarinaky> | I just like the idea of a function that returns an asshole. |
| 12:30 | < Syk> | i'm not sure how an application can return upper management |
| 12:30 | <@Tarinaky> | public static synchronized Asshole findAsshole(Hand left, Hand right, java.util.map youGetTheRestOfTheJoke) { //... |
| 12:31 | < Syk> | 'synchronized Asshole' snrk |
| 12:31 | <@Tarinaky> | It still returns null. |
| 12:32 | <@Tarinaky> | Even with both hands and a Map. |
| 12:32 | < Syk> | LOL |
| 12:33 | <@froztbyte> | <Azash> My favourite part about C: people who have never used it bitching about it |
| 12:33 | <@froztbyte> | Mine: nothing. |
| 12:33 | <@Tarinaky> | I might be developing an anger issue. I keep wanting to shout at people. |
| 12:33 | < Syk> | Tarinaky: Tamber would attribute that to being in contact with me |
| 12:34 | < Syk> | :P |
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| 13:00 | | * iospace flops on Syk |
| 13:01 | | * Syk chews on iospace |
| 13:01 | <@iospace> | D: |
| 13:01 | <@iospace> | bad drgn, bad! |
| 13:01 | < Syk> | :C |
| 13:01 | < Syk> | twisted has the ability to run virtual hosts |
| 13:01 | < Syk> | hell /yeah/ |
| 13:02 | | * iospace steals Syk's raspi |
| 13:02 | < Syk> | D: my raspi |
| 13:02 | <@froztbyte> | don't rewrite what works elsewhere if you don't need to |
| 13:02 | <@froztbyte> | (don't write a whole new webserver in twisted just because you can) |
| 13:02 | < Syk> | haha |
| 13:02 | < Syk> | nah, i'm looking like i might just use .rpy files |
| 13:03 | < Syk> | since it seems like a neat way of doing it |
| 13:07 | < Syk> | well huh |
| 13:07 | < Syk> | i have port 8080 forwarded |
| 13:07 | < Syk> | and an IP from brazil requested "/manager/html" |
| 13:07 | < Syk> | lols |
| 13:08 | <@iospace> | Syk: are you using your HTML standard? :P |
| 13:08 | < Syk> | nah, semi-compliant HTML5 and CSS3 here |
| 13:08 | < Syk> | SykHTML is mainly me making fun of HTML5, but it's actually quite nice |
| 13:11 | | * iospace pat pats |
| 13:15 | < RichyB> | froztbyte: reinventing the wheel as a square is sometimes valid and occasionally even optimal, if you have weird enough terrain to cross. :) http://stanwagon.com/ |
| 13:16 | <@froztbyte> | RichyB: you'll note I added "if you don't need to" |
| 13:16 | <@froztbyte> | I like the approach of working through solving a problem to familiarize yourself more with the problem domain |
| 13:16 | < Syk> | i have a problem of 'not invented here' |
| 13:16 | <@froztbyte> | but with something like a webserver, you're likely not going to end up with an optimal solution as a side project unless you really mean to do so |
| 13:16 | < Syk> | which i need to get out of |
| 13:17 | <@froztbyte> | (in the "intent to make a new thing to solve X, Y, and Z" sense) |
| 13:17 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: easy to do |
| 13:18 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: every time you look at something like the above there, you should just ask yourself "so which knee do I take the bullet in today?" |
| 13:19 | < Syk> | hmm? |
| 13:20 | | * Syk slightly confused |
| 13:20 | < Syk> | brb - coffee! :D |
| 13:20 | <@iospace> | and thus |
| 13:20 | <@iospace> | we see Syk in her natural state: confusion |
| 13:20 | <@froztbyte> | like if you find yourself checking for "can it do vhosts?" or so |
| 13:20 | <@froztbyte> | that's the point where you know that you're looking for things that it shouldn't be doing |
| 13:20 | <@froztbyte> | ON THE FLIPSIDE |
| 13:20 | <@froztbyte> | making things do things they shouldn't is always great fun |
| 13:20 | < Syk> | froztbyte: but it does to vhosts |
| 13:20 | < Syk> | it's built into twisted |
| 13:21 | <@iospace> | so I'm going to get an Arduino board and do PE problems on it until i figure out what i want to do with it otherwise |
| 13:21 | <@froztbyte> | and a favourite passtime of mine |
| 13:21 | < Syk> | well, I have two ways I can do this |
| 13:21 | < Syk> | one - I have one big database and one set of code |
| 13:22 | < Syk> | two - i have lots of smaller databases, and each client either has their own copy or symlinks to the core code |
| 13:22 | < RichyB> | iospace: you hankering to practice writing fast programs? :) |
| 13:22 | < RichyB> | How do people normally deal with virtual hosts in most web frameworks? |
| 13:22 | <@froztbyte> | RichyB: depends on the framework, I guess |
| 13:22 | < Syk> | well, in this, i just tell it what resource thing answers to what domain |
| 13:22 | <@iospace> | RichyB: no, i want to do some embedded dev on the side just for the hell of it :P |
| 13:22 | <@froztbyte> | some stuff like PHP is just run-on-server crap |
| 13:22 | < Syk> | which is perfect for me |
| 13:22 | <@froztbyte> | other stuff is an actual running application stack |
| 13:22 | <@iospace> | AVR ATMegas are not fast |
| 13:22 | < Syk> | cos i'm planning to have DNS names for things |
| 13:22 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 13:23 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: perhaps you need to explain a bit more what you wish to do |
| 13:23 | < RichyB> | The Zope2 framework do virtual hosting by having Apache listening on ports 80 and 443, and RewriteRule /(.*) http://127.0.0.1:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/www.hostname.com:80/VirtualHostRoot/$ 1 [P,L,NS] |
| 13:24 | < RichyB> | *that's the recommended thing that most people do anyway. |
| 13:24 | < Syk> | froztbyte: well, each client will have their own thing |
| 13:24 | < Syk> | like, for example |
| 13:24 | < Syk> | froztbyte.<site>.com |
| 13:24 | <@froztbyte> | define thing |
| 13:24 | < RichyB> | So you have another httpd sat in front, proxying requests, and writing information about the intended hostname and path up to the app into the URL. |
| 13:24 | < Syk> | well, their own version of the application |
| 13:24 | < Syk> | so everything is seperated |
| 13:24 | <@froztbyte> | RichyB: yes, that's the usual approach for the appstack approach |
| 13:25 | < RichyB> | Huh, okay. |
| 13:25 | < Syk> | corp1.site.com doesn't have the same database as corp2.site.com |
| 13:25 | < RichyB> | That's actual the *usual* approach, rather than an unusual one? :) |
| 13:25 | < Syk> | and i also get roflscale in that I can make corp1.site.com go to a different server than corp2 |
| 13:25 | <@froztbyte> | RichyB: for appstack stuff, yes |
| 13:25 | <@froztbyte> | it's actually a nice way to go about things |
| 13:25 | <@froztbyte> | you run a bunch of things in different users or whatever, and just proxy requests around as necessary |
| 13:26 | < RichyB> | The alternative seems to be Wordpress's (IMO kinda awful) mechanism where the URL information is in a DB somewhere. |
| 13:26 | <@froztbyte> | means you can gain a few things on the proxying point |
| 13:26 | < Syk> | oh dammit |
| 13:26 | < Syk> | ATMOSS is down |
| 13:26 | <@froztbyte> | like caching or loadbalancing or dead-backend detection or .... |
| 13:26 | | * Syk shakes fist at federal government |
| 13:26 | <@froztbyte> | which is nice |
| 13:26 | < RichyB> | Yeah, we do that. |
| 13:26 | <@froztbyte> | varnish, pound, gunicorn, etc |
| 13:27 | < RichyB> | httpd -> varnish -> haproxy -> a bunch of instances -> single DB server. |
| 13:27 | <@froztbyte> | it all depends on what one needs to do, really |
| 13:28 | <@Tarinaky> | So I'm struggling to get my maths homework done and someone things it's a good time to rip the piss out of me for looking like I'm thinking hard on my homework. |
| 13:28 | <@Tarinaky> | Die. |
| 13:28 | <@Tarinaky> | Die now. |
| 13:28 | | * Alek patpats Taki. |
| 13:28 | <@Tarinaky> | To make it worse I can't do the homework. |
| 13:28 | <@Tarinaky> | :/ |
| 13:29 | < RichyB> | "Fuck off and die in a fire, this shit's difficult" has never been an inappropriate response. |
| 13:29 | <@Alek> | ask Vornicus for help. |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | Tarinaky: blind them with science |
| 13:29 | < Syk> | and/or a rake |
| 13:29 | <@Tarinaky> | RichyB: The exact phrase was "Kindly fuck off and die, painfully, with your family." |
| 13:29 | <@Alek> | apply thermite to eyes. |
| 13:29 | <@Alek> | voila, you blinded them with science. |
| 13:29 | < RichyB> | Tarinaky: I approve. |
| 13:30 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: that's getting quoted |
| 13:30 | < Syk> | i have a label machine |
| 13:30 | <@Tarinaky> | It's not science unless you record your hypothesis. |
| 13:30 | <@Tarinaky> | Err |
| 13:30 | <@Tarinaky> | Record your findings |
| 13:30 | < RichyB> | You do have to record the hypothesis too |
| 13:30 | < Syk> | findings: there was something on their face - it was pain |
| 13:30 | < RichyB> | so that you don't accidentally change your hypothesis afterwards in light of the findings. |
| 13:31 | < Syk> | froztbyte: whee |
| 13:31 | < Syk> | :P |
| 13:31 | <@Tarinaky> | Hypothesis: Thermite, when topically applied to the eyeballs and exposed to a source of ignition may pose a heightened risk of blindness and facial scarring. |
| 13:31 | <@froztbyte> | http://qdb.slipgate.za.net/FlyingCircus/324 |
| 13:31 | < Syk> | haha |
| 13:31 | <@froztbyte> | Tarinaky: remember to get an adequate sample set for testing |
| 13:33 | < Syk> | ok so |
| 13:33 | < Syk> | i have a little sticker that says "SCIENCE" on it |
| 13:33 | < Syk> | what should i stick it on |
| 13:34 | <@Tarinaky> | Find cute boy, attatch to bum. |
| 13:34 | <@iospace> | o_O |
| 13:34 | < Syk> | too bad there's nothing but desert for 850km |
| 13:34 | <@froztbyte> | run through desert for cute boy |
| 13:34 | <@froztbyte> | apply to ass |
| 13:34 | <@froztbyte> | "I did it for science" gets new meaning |
| 13:34 | < Syk> | ok so i have an old name badge from work |
| 13:35 | | * Syk now has a name badge that says SCIENCE on it |
| 13:35 | <@iospace> | does it say "IT WORKS, BITCHES" as well? |
| 13:35 | <@Tarinaky> | I'm going to see if I can upload my homework somewhere so I can poke Vorn with it. |
| 13:36 | < Syk> | well |
| 13:36 | < Syk> | i put it over my old job description |
| 13:36 | <@Tarinaky> | Trouble is the more maths I do the fewer people in here can help me with it... and the more busy they are with their own shit :/ |
| 13:36 | < Syk> | so now it reads "Syka Bee - SCIENCE Officer" |
| 13:40 | < Pandemic> | transfers Syk to the security department, gives her a red shirt |
| 13:41 | < Syk> | matches my pants |
| 13:41 | <@froztbyte> | Pandemic: evil |
| 13:42 | <@froztbyte> | (the redshirts are always cannonfodder when going planetside) |
| 13:42 | < Pandemic> | lol |
| 13:42 | < Pandemic> | I'm glad some one got that referance |
| 13:43 | <@froztbyte> | I've watched all of TNG, Voyager, about half of TOS (TOS is *really* hard to watch, and has a fun afrikaans joke to go with it), and a bunch of DS9 |
| 13:43 | <@froztbyte> | "tos" in afrikaans translates to "shitty"/"crap"/"worthless", or "jacking off" |
| 13:43 | <@froztbyte> | depending on context |
| 13:43 | | * Pandemic has wanted all of TNG, DS9, TOS, and voyager, doesn't like the others |
| 13:44 | <@froztbyte> | so "ST:TOS is r?rig tos" means "ST:TOS is pretty shit" |
| 13:44 | | * Pandemic can't disagree with that statement |
| 13:44 | <@froztbyte> | dat !acting. |
| 13:45 | <@Tarinaky> | I don't think that's just afrikaans. Toss is a common slang term for male ejaculate. |
| 13:45 | < Syk> | it is? |
| 13:45 | < Syk> | hm |
| 13:45 | <@froztbyte> | yeah I haven't heard it |
| 13:46 | <@froztbyte> | and in this case it specifically means "jerking off", not "jizz" |
| 13:46 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 13:46 | <@Tarinaky> | In British slang it's both a noun and verb. |
| 13:46 | <@Tarinaky> | Although the verb is -usually- tossing off. |
| 13:47 | < Pandemic> | I was wondering if that night be a colloquialism |
| 13:47 | <@Tarinaky> | "The software is a load of toss" |
| 13:47 | < Pandemic> | the equivilent to that in this part of the USA would be "jiz" |
| 13:48 | < Pandemic> | though |
| 13:48 | <@Tarinaky> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02a723LsoFA citation |
| 13:48 | < Pandemic> | that does finaly explain the term tosser for me... |
| 13:49 | < Pandemic> | thank you Tarinaky for bringing more understanding to my world :) |
| 13:49 | <@Tarinaky> | Hey, Pandemic. if you had a dwarf on your back, would you toss him off? |
| 13:49 | < Syk> | hey froztbyte |
| 13:49 | < Syk> | froztbyte: I linked the quote thing to someone |
| 13:49 | < Pandemic> | ... |
| 13:49 | < Syk> | who went and looked at the 'top' which has a lot of typo quotes |
| 13:50 | <@froztbyte> | yes |
| 13:50 | < Pandemic> | depends on your deffiniton of toss... |
| 13:50 | <@froztbyte> | theo. |
| 13:50 | <@froztbyte> | that dude. |
| 13:50 | < Syk> | froztbyte: "< irick> Sky: Apparently no one does anything funny except for typos." |
| 13:50 | <@Tarinaky> | McBain says that;s the joke. |
| 13:50 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: we've discussed aging them out |
| 13:50 | < Syk> | the irony is astounding |
| 13:50 | <@iospace> | typwned! |
| 13:51 | < Syk> | heh |
| 13:51 | <@froztbyte> | anyway, so the backstory here |
| 13:52 | <@froztbyte> | is that this person used to be like the miscommunication mascot on shadowfire, due to their typos and crap |
| 13:52 | <@froztbyte> | which adds to the hilarity |
| 13:52 | <@froztbyte> | and people haven't voted on things in ages, so there's no change in ranking |
| 13:52 | <@froztbyte> | just hit random a few times |
| 13:52 | <@froztbyte> | or keep reading them all |
| 13:53 | <@froztbyte> | there's stuff like http://qdb.slipgate.za.net/FlyingCircus/236 |
| 13:54 | | * Pandemic doesn't want to go to the regulatory meeting, sends Syk the red shirt instead |
| 13:55 | < Syk> | froztbyte: ohlol |
| 13:58 | <@froztbyte> | http://qdb.slipgate.za.net/FlyingCircus/199 probably applies to this #code as well |
| 14:04 | <@Tarinaky> | Also. Why the fuck are so many people here. |
| 14:04 | <@Tarinaky> | There're no more lectures. |
| 14:04 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 14:04 | <@Tarinaky> | Fuck off and let me sit in quiet. |
| 14:04 | <@Tarinaky> | :/ |
| 14:04 | <@froztbyte> | I wondered the same about this channel |
| 14:05 | <@froztbyte> | who caused the influx of new people? :D |
| 14:07 | <@Tarinaky> | Not my fault. |
| 14:11 | < Syk> | blame iospace for me |
| 14:13 | < Syk> | froztbyte: also, it's summer |
| 14:13 | <@froztbyte> | yes it is |
| 14:13 | <@froztbyte> | what's the point of that? |
| 14:13 | < Syk> | it is 30C at night please kill me :( |
| 14:13 | <@froztbyte> | one moment |
| 14:13 | | * iospace rubs her fingers together |
| 14:13 | <@iospace> | oh boo hoo :P |
| 14:13 | < Syk> | froztbyte: half reference to the eternal summer :P |
| 14:13 | <@froztbyte> | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end |
| 14:13 | <@froztbyte> | please watch to the end |
| 14:14 | < Syk> | aahah this |
| 14:16 | <@froztbyte> | Fucking kangaroos. |
| 14:16 | < Syk> | 'alaska can come too.' |
| 14:16 | <@froztbyte> | so anyway yeah |
| 14:16 | <@froztbyte> | your problem for being in australia :P |
| 14:17 | < Syk> | :p |
| 14:18 | | * iospace places a ushanka on Syk's head |
| 14:18 | < Syk> | a wat |
| 14:18 | <@froztbyte> | I want friday to come |
| 14:18 | <@iospace> | ^_^ |
| 14:18 | <@froztbyte> | (because friday extra consulting money gets paid) |
| 14:18 | <@iospace> | Syk: wikipedia is your friend :P |
| 14:18 | <@froztbyte> | (and I want to use that money) |
| 14:19 | < Syk> | froztbyte: are you going to buy all the things |
| 14:19 | <@froztbyte> | no |
| 14:19 | <@froztbyte> | but I would like to pull a stunt and do shopping and maybe make an interesting arrangement to last through until january |
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| 14:36 | | * Thalass aughs at LinAXEpad |
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| 15:07 | <@rms> | What's that? |
| 15:08 | <@rms> | mm |
| 15:08 | <@rms> | nm |
| 15:08 | <@iospace> | rms: Thalass here is working with PICAXE |
| 15:09 | <@iospace> | so i dragged him here :P |
| 15:13 | < Thalass> | I normally only come in here when i have stupid newbie questions regarding linux or python. Now i have a third subject to ask about! :P |
| 15:13 | < RichyB> | Stay a while, and listen. |
| 15:14 | < RichyB> | Seriously, be on #code 24/7. :) |
| 15:14 | < Thalass> | hee |
| 15:14 | < Thalass> | I have added it to the default list when joining nightstar, so i should be around. |
| 15:14 | < RichyB> | It's good to have a mix of skill levels here and it's possible to learn things just by overhearing what other people are working through. |
| 15:14 | < RichyB> | Good! Thank you. |
| 15:14 | <@froztbyte> | also randoms like me |
| 15:15 | <@froztbyte> | (who bring knowledge about other things) |
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| 15:16 | < RichyB> | The only actual restriction is "no arseholes, please." |
| 15:16 | < RichyB> | (And yet I'm here anyway.) |
| 15:16 | < Thalass> | heh\ |
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| 15:17 | <@froztbyte> | me too |
| 15:17 | <@froztbyte> | it's weird |
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| 15:17 | < celticminstrel> | Yaaay, netsplits. |
| 15:18 | <@ErikMesoy> | Is it just me or are there more of them these days? |
| 15:18 | < AnnoDomini> | It's probably just you. |
| 15:18 | < celticminstrel> | There've been several in the past week or so... |
| 15:19 | <@Tarinaky> | It's because of solar radiation from tau ceti. |
| 15:19 | <@Tarinaky> | It'll sort itself out in a few weeks. |
| 15:19 | < celticminstrel> | Tau Ceti. XD |
| 15:20 | < celticminstrel> | My messages seem to be lagging... |
| 15:22 | <@Tarinaky> | Light lag. |
| 15:22 | <@Tarinaky> | Tau Ceti is a long way away. |
| 15:28 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
| 15:44 | < Syk> | guys, question |
| 15:44 | < Syk> | what's better - storing things as a UNIX timestamp, or giving it to the database to convert |
| 15:45 | < Syk> | eh, i'll be converting it needlessly anyway |
| 15:45 | | * Syk bonks it in as unix |
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| 16:10 | <@froztbyte> | unix timestamps are win |
| 16:11 | < Syk> | that they are |
| 16:11 | <@froztbyte> | >>> import time |
| 16:11 | <@froztbyte> | >>> time.time() |
| 16:11 | <@froztbyte> | 1353514261.812576 |
| 16:11 | <@froztbyte> | most of the precision you'll ever need |
| 16:11 | | * Syk imports antigravity |
| 16:11 | < AnnoDomini> | import this; |
| 16:11 | | * Syk gets a compile error as libantigravity2-dev isn't installed |
| 16:11 | < Syk> | fucking debian |
| 16:12 | <@iospace> | :P |
| 16:17 | <&jerith> | Syk: Which database? |
| 16:19 | < Syk> | jerith: PostgreSQL |
| 16:19 | <&jerith> | Postgres understands timezones, which means you should really use their fields. |
| 16:19 | <&jerith> | Ah. \o/ |
| 16:19 | | * Syk cuddles pg <3 |
| 16:19 | <&jerith> | Actual timezone support is Really Bloody Useful. |
| 16:20 | <@froztbyte> | heh |
| 16:20 | | * jerith moves up the table to escape the sun. |
| 16:20 | <@froztbyte> | thankfully I can handle that mostly with Deferreds |
| 16:20 | < Syk> | well, the front end will be an Android app and a web dev thing |
| 16:20 | <@froztbyte> | (I'll defer the task until the other people are around again) |
| 16:20 | < Syk> | so raw unix stamps might be to my advantage |
| 16:21 | < Syk> | as I can just shove it into the DB, pull it out and chuck it into a JS Date object or whatever Android uses |
| 16:21 | <&jerith> | Syk: ISO-8601. |
| 16:21 | < Syk> | because unix timestamps are UTC by definition i think |
| 16:22 | <&jerith> | There is an international standard for this stuff, and pretty much everything supports it, but nobody bloody uses it. |
| 16:22 | <&jerith> | Americans are the worst. |
| 16:23 | <&jerith> | 10/11/12 could be six different days. |
| 16:23 | <&jerith> | But two of those are unlikely. |
| 16:25 | < Syk> | heh |
| 16:25 | < Syk> | working with unix timestamps is acceptable, though? |
| 16:26 | <&jerith> | Yes, but only if you have proper tools to turn them into real datetimes. |
| 16:27 | < Syk> | jerith: Javascript date object takes a UNIX timestamp as a constructor |
| 16:27 | <&jerith> | ISO-8601 is probably better, if only because it's (a) human-readable and (b) completely unambiguous. |
| 16:27 | <&jerith> | Way too many people treat unix timestamps as local time instead of UTC. |
| 16:27 | < Syk> | well i'll be treating them as UTC, and the end-to-end will be myself |
| 16:29 | | * jerith shrugs. |
| 16:29 | <&jerith> | Unix timestamps are probably a good second choice. :-) |
| 16:29 | | * Syk puts on her confessions hat |
| 16:30 | < Syk> | for the past four years i've been using .NET OADates |
| 16:30 | < Syk> | in a double |
| 16:30 | < Syk> | in postgres |
| 16:30 | < Syk> | :< |
| 16:53 | < RichyB> | If you stay always clear about which timezone they're in all the way through then Unix timestamps are IMO fine. |
| 16:53 | < RichyB> | Really don't ever use any timezone with timestamps other than UTC or one of the atomic ones (GPS time, TAI or whatever the new one is called). |
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| 18:08 | <@froztbyte> | the main rule with time code really is "use the same damned thing /everywhere/ internally" |
| 18:08 | <@froztbyte> | and transform as close to where it matters as possible |
| 18:08 | <@froztbyte> | but of course usually that means dealing with other people's stuff :/ |
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| 22:27 | <@Azash> | iospace and EFI development: http://dolan.naurunappula.com/screen/5e/c6/5ec6bcd5ba214075/0/997613.jpg |
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| 22:46 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 23:02 | < auREAX> | morel ike |
| 23:02 | < auREAX> | C++.jpg |
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