code logs -> 2012 -> Mon, 29 Oct 2012< code.20121028.log - code.20121030.log >
--- Log opened Mon Oct 29 00:00:00 2012
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03:30
<@Reiv>
A puzzle in SQL (SQL Server, if it makes a difference):
03:30
<@Reiv>
We all know how LIKE works.
03:31
<@Reiv>
Is there a way to compare two columns against each other with a LIKE in place?
03:31 * Reiv suspects the question is nonsensical, but isn't too sure how else to do it.
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03:38
<@Reiv>
Basically, I have two columns, and am trying to find out how many rows of these are mostly, but not quite, the same.
03:39
<@syksleep>
um
03:39
<@Reiv>
To which I mean I'm willing to accept up to two characters at the front of each, or one non-numeric character on the end of either, and provided the rest in between is the same, it's considered equivalent.
03:40
<&Derakon>
So if a[2:-1] == b[2:-1] then they match?
03:40
<&Derakon>
Well, but you have that non-numeric constraint.
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03:43
<@Syk>
oh how I wish I could be home writing my apps and stuff
03:43
<@Syk>
rather than writing documentation for a system that I don't even get to finish >v<
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03:48
<@Syk>
man, i love how people don't get the concept of governments
03:48
<@Reiv>
Derakon: I think so.
03:49
<@Syk>
we have a community plauque listing babies born in the area, as it's quite rare
03:49
<@Syk>
someone on FB comments "I am assuming the ratepayers are paying for this????"
03:50
<@Syk>
and then they complain that we're not making enough gardens?
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05:25
<@Azash>
Reiv: A completele shot in the dark with this but what about select table1.rownumber, table1.data from table1 join table2 on table1.rownumber = table2.rownumber and table1.data = table2.data
05:25
<@Azash>
Then compare the first and last rownumbers with the amount of lines in the result to see if any are missing in between
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06:02 * Azash shares with the channel http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/karvi/advanced_1_12.pdf
06:02
<@froztbyte>
Azash: why colours instead of quoting?
06:02
<@Azash>
froztbyte: It's visually clearer
06:03
<@froztbyte>
like, I nearly missed what you typed because my brain just autofilters out colours
06:03
<@froztbyte>
Azash: don't make that assumption
06:03
<@froztbyte>
it's clearer *on your setup*
06:03
<@froztbyte>
but that doesn't translate through to everyone else
06:04
<@Azash>
As you wish
06:04
<@froztbyte>
(this rule holds for surprisingly many things)
06:04
<@Azash>
Reiv: A completele shot in the dark with this but what about "SELECT table1.rownumber, table1.data FROM table1 JOIN table2 ON table1.rownumber = table2.rownumber AND table1.data = table2.data"
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07:36
<@Tarinaky>
Turns out there's an obvious flaw with Paired Programming http://i.imgur.com/v4w0u.png
08:04 * jerith grins.
08:05
<&jerith>
That can be surprisingly useful.
08:05
<&jerith>
See duck debugging.
08:08
<@Tarinaky>
Oh I don't doubt. But isn't paired programming supposed to be better?
08:08
<@Tamber>
Duck debugging in the banana republic?
08:08
<~Vornicus>
Just generally saying what you're up to aloud helps a lot.
08:08
<~Vornicus>
Even if it's to a rubber duck sitting atop your monitor.
08:09
<~Vornicus>
It helps even more when the thing you're talking to can read your code.
08:10
<@froztbyte>
hahaha
08:10
<@froztbyte>
in our office, we'd be more likely to give someone a blowup doll for that
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08:38
<@Tarinaky>
froztbyte: A blow up sheep would be funnier.
08:48
<@Syk>
heh
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09:00
<@Syk>
with my code, I just call up my supervisor
09:00
<@Syk>
by the time I say hello, it's clicked
09:01
<@Tamber>
...then phone, or the code? :p
09:01
<@Syk>
one day it was like "Hello?" "Hi, I'm working on this bit of code here and I'm not sure how we fixed this be-... nevermind! Seeya!" "Okay...????"
09:01
<@Syk>
Tamber: my mind :P
09:04 * Syk hops on Tamber's code, brutally disemvowels it
09:10
<@Tamber>
Most of it's Perl, it already looks like line-noise~
09:12
<@Syk>
more like prl
09:13
<@Syk>
its 40 fucking C outside
09:13
<@Syk>
IT'S 5PM
09:13
<@Syk>
THE HELL
09:13
<@Syk>
17:13, and it's still fourty goddamn degrees celcius
09:13
<@Tamber>
Routine Weather Report for EGCC, today at 08:50 UTC: Ominous void; 4.6032 MPH South wind. Cloud conditions: Few at 3100ft. Temperature: 07?C. Dew point 06?C
09:13
<@Tamber>
:D
09:14
<@Syk>
tamber i hate you and your nice weather
09:14
<@Syk>
well when i move to sydney, they have a good 10 or so rainy days a month every month
09:14
<@Syk>
i can pretend i'm living in birmingham or something
09:14
<@Tamber>
What, with only 10 rainy days a month?
09:15
<@Syk>
i said pretend
09:15
<@froztbyte>
Syk: sounds about right
09:15
<@Syk>
okay so
09:15
<@Tamber>
la
09:15
<@Syk>
i had some rain two weeks ago
09:15
<@Syk>
like, a bit
09:15
<@froztbyte>
around where I stay in .za, it can be up to 30-odd some time in the evening still
09:15
<@Syk>
for like an hour
09:15
<@TheWatcher>
Tamber: "ominous void"? your METAR reader has a sense of humour.
09:15
<@Syk>
where is za
09:15
<@Syk>
oh south africa
09:15
<@Tamber>
TheWatcher, I have a small list of random crud to use if METAR doesn't return a weather condition. :)
09:16
<@TheWatcher>
That said, that is Manchester Airport, Ominous Void is probably accurate...
09:16
<@Syk>
okay so
09:16
<@Syk>
the whole year so far
09:16
<@Tamber>
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
09:16
<@Syk>
like, to-the-day
09:16
<@Syk>
79 days of rain
09:17
<@Syk>
with the highest being 75mm in one day
09:19
<@Syk>
Tamber: the lowest ever recorded temperature is 6.7C
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09:20 * Tamber points and laughs. The taunt melts.
09:22
<@Syk>
Tamber: that was in 2008
09:22
<@Syk>
the hottest ever was 45C, back in 4
09:22
<@Syk>
04
09:22
<@Syk>
>lowest maximum ever recorded: 16.7C
09:23
<@Tamber>
4? AD or BC?
09:23
<@Syk>
i said 04
09:23
<@Syk>
>:|
09:23
<@Tamber>
Again, AD or BC? ;)
09:23
<@Syk>
our temp records only go back to 1984 though
09:24
<@Tamber>
*chuckle*
09:24
<@Syk>
2004
09:24
<@Syk>
smartass :U
09:25
<@Syk>
AD :|
09:27
<@Tamber>
http://img.ie/b8061.png
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12:43
< gnolaptop>
... heh.
12:43
< gnolaptop>
SOC course. JPEG acceleration.
12:43
< gnolaptop>
Whoever creates the fastest implementation gets a cake from the professor.
12:44
< gnolaptop>
Or rather, the cheapest fast implementation.
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15:22
< RichyB>
gnolam: aren't those two completely different axes?
15:23
<@TheWatcher>
I wonder just how many people questioned the existence of cake in the context of testing, anyway.
15:27
<@froztbyte>
hahaha
15:29
<@Syk>
the cake is a l-*shot*
15:30
< RichyB>
gnolam: I wonder whether you'll get a single fasted AND cheapest implementation...
15:30
< RichyB>
or whether a bunch of people will come up with a non-dominated front.
15:30
< RichyB>
Some faster, some cheaper.
15:31
<~Vornicus>
what is "cheap" and what is "fast" in this context
15:31
< RichyB>
oh, good point Vornicus.
15:31
< RichyB>
3 different axes.
15:32
<@froztbyte>
from another channel
15:32
<@froztbyte>
<cwillu_at_work> susceptibility to flour-based incentives is a key requirement in any candidate
15:32
< RichyB>
Fast is time taken to decode some sample image(s), which is easy enough to measure.
15:32
< RichyB>
Actual wall-clock time is unambiguous.
15:34
< gnolam>
He said fastest first. Then changed it to cheapest above a certain FPS threshold.
15:34
< gnolam>
In other words, he'll decide which he likes best. ;)
15:34
< RichyB>
One axis of "cheap" is, "how many transistors does it take to build this circuit?" (or logic units or whatever they're called, on an FPGA)
15:34
< RichyB>
The other axis of "cheap" is "how many joules does this circuit burn while decoding the sample image(s)?"
15:36
<@Syk>
does that cover computationally cheap
15:37
< gnolam>
Hardware units.
15:37
<@Syk>
oh SOC is circuits isnt it
15:37
<&ToxicFrog>
System On Chip. IC design.
15:38
<@TheWatcher>
gnolam: Bonus points for an implementation that makes http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/68895387/2147443 appear as a watermark in decoded images~
15:38
<@Syk>
oh dear jpg on a chip
15:38
<&ToxicFrog>
And yeah, "cheapest implementation capable of 30fps decoding" sounds reasonable as long as you can agree on which metric is used for "cheap"
15:38
< gnolam>
TheWatcher: :)
15:38
<@Syk>
maybe i might take up something like that when I move to the city
15:39
<@Syk>
i'd love to get into circuitry, even low-tech sort of stuff with ardunios and all
15:39
<@Syk>
but there's not a radioshack for ten hours drive :(
15:39
<@Syk>
and waiting 999 weeks for Australia post to mangle your breadboards and resistors isn't fun
15:40
<@Syk>
my supervisor at work wrote some stuff for his arduinos to do solar panel tracking... was pretty neat
15:53 * Azash gets back from crisis meeting, wonders if project is salvageable
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17:57 * Tarinaky finds Wolfram Alpha needing money to do anything highly-annoying.
17:57
< Tarinaky>
Anyone have suggestions on where I might be able to get similar features?
17:57
< Tarinaky>
The free graphing is useless.
17:59 * Vornicus usually uses excel, and when he needs real power will go python -> ps
17:59
< Tarinaky>
Mostly I just like being able to type in 2-e^(\lambda t) solve for t.
18:00
< Tarinaky>
or y = e^(2/x) 0 < x < 1
18:00
< Tarinaky>
And be able to play with the resulting graph interactively >.>
18:00
< Tarinaky>
Messing me right up.
18:01
<@froztbyte>
learn R/Octave/gnuplot?
18:01
<@froztbyte>
the python path is also useful
18:02
<@froztbyte>
I've also seen some KDE graphing apps that didn't look too horrible, but no idea how capable they are
18:03
<@froztbyte>
kmplot - mathematical function plotter for KDE
18:08 * Azash likes Octave
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18:48
< Tarinaky>
We've discovered how the network at my Uni works: http://i.imgur.com/fQFnR.png
18:49
<@Tamber>
"badly"?
18:51
< jeroid>
Barely?
18:52
< Tarinaky>
The internet police are currently investigating someone sending spoofed emails from staff.
18:52
<@Tamber>
Occasionally, then it explodes? :D
18:52
<@Tamber>
the "internet police"?
18:52
< Tarinaky>
As in the Uni has contacted the Police. Who, naturally, haven't done much.
18:52
<@Tamber>
Of course.
18:53
< Tarinaky>
Due to not knowing one end of a USB cable from the other :)
18:53
< jeroid>
Why not ask the IT people?
18:53
< Tarinaky>
They've blocked the website used to generate the emails.
18:54
< Tarinaky>
As far as I am aware, nobody seems to have gotten into any serious trouble.
18:54
< jeroid>
(Who likely don't know any better.)
18:54
< Tarinaky>
I imagine it'd be gossipped about.
18:55
<@Tamber>
Not really anything worth getting the police involved in, then?
18:55
< Tarinaky>
It's pretty annoying because we've been kicking up a fuss about the president of the union making a remark blaming us for hacking the Union website (it was an automated attack injecting adverts for cialis etc...)
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18:57
< jeroid>
You have a website for sending email as staff?
18:57
< Tarinaky>
Apparently the email headers were generated using a web form in the internet..
18:57
< Tarinaky>
*on the internet.
18:59
< jeroid>
Why did the MTA accept it?
19:00
< Tarinaky>
I have no idea.
19:00
< Tarinaky>
I'm not a security guy.
19:00
< Tarinaky>
I think the SMTP servers only check that the mail is coming from inside the Uni network.
19:00
< Tarinaky>
But don't actually check the headers maybe?
19:01
<@Tamber>
Not even SPF? :x
19:02
<@Tamber>
(Wouldn't help in the case that the forged mail comes from a host that's expected to be sending Uni mail; but that'd be even more worrying~)
19:11
< jeroid>
One would expect some kind of auth.
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20:02 * Derakon blarghs, cannot wrap his head around this bug, thus, time for #code and talking to himself.
20:02
<&Derakon>
Okay, so. We have an experiment which is a sequence of actions. The experiment chops itself up into subsections based on the Executors that can perform the actions in those sections.
20:03
<&Derakon>
E.g. a 100-element experiment where the first 50 actions can be done by 1 Executor, then 1 action by another one, then the remaining 49 by the first one -- three subsections of size 50, 1, 49.
20:03
<&Derakon>
The bug here is that we're only getting image data for the first subsection; after that no more images arrive, and I don't know why.
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<&Derakon>
AFAICT we don't change the camera state at any time after we start executing sections.
20:04
<&Derakon>
I can force the experiment to subdivide itself into finer intervals and get similar behavior, so it's not the actual actions that are causing the problem; it's the subdivision.
20:05
<&Derakon>
Best guess is that the executor isn't actually doing its job, but it certainly appears to be.
20:06
<&Derakon>
And this is where I'm stuck.
20:09
< ErikMesoy>
Is the first subsection hogging the camera without sending anything more?
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20:10
<&Derakon>
The device that executes subsections is just a signal source; it does not seize resources.
20:10
<&Derakon>
So it sends a digital "take a picture now" signal, then the camera takes a picture and forwards it to the cockpit.
20:11
<&Derakon>
The camera shouldn't care about the exact timing as long as signals don't arrive too close together.
20:11
< ErikMesoy>
Help me understand the architecture a bit more. Subsections send messages to camera which sends pictures to output?
20:12
<&Derakon>
We have three systems here.
20:12
<&Derakon>
Cockpit handles UI and telling some devices what to do.
20:13
<&Derakon>
Cameras receive images and send them to cockpit.
20:13
<&Derakon>
DSP acts as signal source to control cameras with strict timings.
20:13
<&Derakon>
We put the cameras into a "receiving" state.
20:13
<&Derakon>
In this state, every time they get a signal from the DSP, they take an image, and send it to the cockpit.
20:14
<&Derakon>
The DSP is handed a list of actions to execute -- this is the subsection.
20:14
<@froztbyte>
how are you actually doing the image transmission?
20:14
<&Derakon>
Pyro4 is a network comms library; I can send Numpy arrays through it.
20:15
<&Derakon>
s/network comms/remote object/
20:15
<@froztbyte>
k
20:15
<@froztbyte>
and when you say subsections, do you mean like actual image slicing, or ... ?
20:16
<&Derakon>
No, the sections are sequences of commands handed to the DSP. They have nothing to do with the camera.
20:16
<&Derakon>
Like, one section says "open laser shutters at t=0; close shutters at t=10; activate cameras at t=11".
20:16
<&Derakon>
(For example)
20:17
<&Derakon>
Then another section says "open shutters at t=20; close shutters at t=30; activate cameras at t=31".
20:17
<@froztbyte>
okay
20:17
<&Derakon>
If I send everything as a single combined "section", then it executes correctly, but when I chop it up, it doesn't.
20:18
<@froztbyte>
so the handler/divider that splits the sections up into subsections, what's the structure for that like?
20:18
<@froztbyte>
pre and post hooks, input var, dumps out what it handled plus results?
20:19
<&Derakon>
http://pastebin.com/pUNua91N
20:19
<&Derakon>
Broadly, find the executor that can do the most lines in the action table, tell them to do it, repeat until we've completed the entire table.
20:20
<&Derakon>
You can ignore the stuff about multiple reps; self.numReps is 1 in this case.
20:20
<@froztbyte>
I'd starting dumping curIndex to a terminal or logfile
20:20
<@froztbyte>
look for patterns
20:21
<&Derakon>
No, you're looking in the wrong place. Note how I'm artificially forcing smaller subsections on line 17, for testing purposes.
20:21
<&Derakon>
The bug has nothing to do with where the division occurs.
20:24
<&Derakon>
Found it.
20:24
<&Derakon>
The problem was that the latter subsections hadn't rebased their timings.
20:24
<&Derakon>
So section 2's first event happens at t=30 instead of t=0.
20:25
<&Derakon>
But the DSP was also told that its entire execution should only take 29 time units (or whatever).
20:25
<&Derakon>
So it was stopping before doing anything.
20:37
<&Derakon>
Sorry about my tone there, froztbyte. I wasn't meaning to be dismissive.
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