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| 00:16 | <@rms> | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones |
| 00:16 | <@rms> | So true |
| 00:33 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:35 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:37 | <~Vornicus> | there was an update to that for iirc new zealanders |
| 00:37 | <~Vornicus> | Which was amazing. |
| 00:39 | <~Vornicus> | http://theoatmeal.com/pl/game_of_thrones/nz |
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| 03:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | Related Work: done |
| 03:09 | < Syk> | Derakon: just write a hg-wrapper for git! :P |
| 03:09 | < Syk> | /usr/bin/hg -> /usr/sbin/sanify-git.sh |
| 03:09 | < Syk> | :p |
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| 04:01 | < Thalass> | http://www.valvesoftware.com/linuxsurvey.php |
| 04:01 | < Thalass> | Linux steam client closed beta applicant survey. |
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| 06:48 | <@Azash> | http://i.imgur.com/ha8er.png |
| 06:50 | <~Vornicus> | *price is right loser sound* |
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| 06:52 | <@Azash> | Vornicus: At first I just thought "Well, they could give more error details.." |
| 06:52 | <@Azash> | Then I noticed the cancel button and my sides split |
| 06:53 | | * Tamber gets the duct-tape |
| 07:30 | < Syk> | LOL |
| 07:31 | < Syk> | oh man |
| 07:31 | < Syk> | ABC is rebroadcasting Mock The Week <3 |
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| 08:43 | < Syk> | goddamn sublime text 2 |
| 08:43 | | * Syk flips it :| |
| 08:46 | <@Azash> | FLIP TABLE * |
| 08:47 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|out |
| 08:50 | < Syk> | the command -does- exist |
| 08:51 | | * Syk cries |
| 08:53 | <@Azash> | Wait, it does? |
| 08:53 | <@Azash> | Or is it some ST2 command you were looking for? |
| 08:54 | < Syk> | i'm trying to wrangle ST2's ADB Logcat plugin into working |
| 08:54 | < Syk> | the console says that 'err 2 no file exists' |
| 08:55 | < Syk> | in the plugin it seems to get its command from cmd = get_setting("adb_command", ["adb", "logcat"]) |
| 08:55 | < Syk> | but I can't find anywhere in ST2 to configure that? |
| 08:55 | < Syk> | and just running `adb logcat` works |
| 08:56 | < Syk> | and I've restarted ST2 in case it didn't pick up on my PATH being corrected |
| 08:57 | < Syk> | i think that maybe i might just need to give up and install intellij :| |
| 08:57 | <@Azash> | Hm :/ Have you tried giving the full path? |
| 08:58 | < Syk> | there's nowhere to configure that, though |
| 08:58 | < Syk> | i don't know where it's storing the setting "adb_command" |
| 08:58 | <@Azash> | Oh |
| 08:58 | < Syk> | the Andrew/Android plugin can find the SDK and i've configured it in there |
| 08:58 | < Syk> | and it'll build |
| 08:59 | < Syk> | then go "installing to device" and not prompt me for what device I want to push it to |
| 08:59 | <@Azash> | :| |
| 08:59 | < Syk> | except it's not erroring either |
| 09:00 | < Syk> | and if i go "Andrew > Android Managers" it can OPEN the Configure Devices page |
| 09:00 | | * Syk is just so confused |
| 09:01 | < Syk> | ok so |
| 09:01 | < Syk> | ST2 = good for latex |
| 09:01 | < Syk> | horrible at android |
| 09:03 | < Syk> | this is the stuff that annoys me |
| 09:03 | < Syk> | when loads of people use something, but i'm the only one it doesn't work for |
| 09:03 | < Syk> | so there's no bloody documentation on how to fix it |
| 09:04 | < Syk> | i'd just prefer it to segfault and leave me at a flashing prompt, at least then it's truly stuffed and not hiding errors in a console that doesn't open on errors |
| 09:05 | < Syk> | at least then it'd not be as insulting as a non-descriptive python error |
| 09:06 | | * Syk throws Tamber at the problem |
| 09:09 | | * Tamber explodes. |
| 09:11 | < Syk> | there |
| 09:11 | < Syk> | that'll show it |
| 09:11 | | * Azash throws vim at Syk |
| 09:12 | | * Tamber pelts Syk with ed. |
| 09:12 | < Syk> | vim is not a sykhtml approved editor |
| 09:12 | | * Syk burns it |
| 09:12 | < Syk> | what happens when they bring out an improved vim? |
| 09:12 | < Syk> | vimim? |
| 09:13 | <@froztbyte> | surely that's the fault of the plugin, not of st2? :P |
| 09:13 | <@Tamber> | Syk: viim. |
| 09:13 | <@froztbyte> | (re logcat) |
| 09:13 | < Syk> | froztbyte: well i dunno |
| 09:14 | < Syk> | it's looking for a setting in st2 |
| 09:14 | < Syk> | that doesnt exist |
| 09:14 | < Syk> | or if it does, its not working right |
| 09:14 | < Syk> | or something |
| 09:14 | <@Azash> | Can you modify the plugin? |
| 09:14 | <@froztbyte> | afaik plugins are made by the community |
| 09:14 | <@froztbyte> | so...yeah, I'd say the plugin's at fault here |
| 09:15 | <@Azash> | Syk: What do you want to do? Save the logs to a certain file? |
| 09:15 | <@Azash> | Oh wait I see, nevermind |
| 09:15 | < Syk> | AAAA |
| 09:15 | < Syk> | I THINK I MADE IT WORK |
| 09:16 | | * Syk explodes in potential happy |
| 09:17 | < Syk> | ...and then it segfaulted |
| 09:18 | < Syk> | WHOO its werkin |
| 09:21 | < Syk> | whoooooooo |
| 09:21 | < Syk> | so |
| 09:21 | <@Azash> | Wooh |
| 09:21 | < Syk> | the fix was |
| 09:21 | < Syk> | to just manually write in the path to the sdk |
| 09:21 | < Syk> | because i have nfi where the setting is coming from |
| 09:22 | < Syk> | okay so |
| 09:22 | < Syk> | do i celebrate with raspberry vodka, or a cup of tea |
| 09:22 | <@Tamber> | Yes. |
| 09:22 | < Syk> | tamber they do not mix |
| 09:22 | < Syk> | i have tried |
| 09:22 | < Syk> | many did not make it through that evening |
| 09:23 | | * Syk salutes, bagpipes play |
| 09:23 | <@Azash> | amazing_grace_bagpipes.flac |
| 09:24 | <&McMartin> | It's peppermint tea o'clock |
| 09:24 | <@froztbyte> | raspberry vodka is a thing? |
| 09:24 | <@froztbyte> | must find. |
| 09:24 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: are you rocking windows, linux, or osx there? |
| 09:25 | <@Azash> | It's winter here now so it's time for the classic: mint vodka in hot chocolate |
| 09:25 | < Syk> | froztbyte: i'm currently programming in my underpants |
| 09:25 | < Syk> | if that's a clue |
| 09:25 | <@froztbyte> | it is not |
| 09:25 | <@froztbyte> | jerith does that too |
| 09:25 | < Syk> | ...yeah i suppose you're right |
| 09:26 | | * Syk linux |
| 09:26 | <@Azash> | I take it that means Syk is at home, so programming in Linux |
| 09:26 | <@froztbyte> | and it might be anything from osx to a direct non-X terminal |
| 09:26 | <@Azash> | As opposed to pant-ed and doing work programming on either of the others |
| 09:26 | < Syk> | Azash: at work i do Windows programming, yeah |
| 09:26 | < Syk> | on uh |
| 09:26 | < Syk> | VB.NET >v>; |
| 09:27 | | * Azash declares himself Sherlock |
| 09:27 | <@Azash> | Aw :< |
| 09:27 | < Syk> | well it's better than C# |
| 09:27 | < Syk> | for one, the APIs seem to be a bit more consise |
| 09:27 | | * McMartin likes delegates too much |
| 09:27 | < Syk> | and it's all slow anyway |
| 09:28 | < Syk> | see this is why i don't like myself a lot |
| 09:28 | < Syk> | the only language I am good in is VB.NET |
| 09:28 | < Syk> | i can make reasonably-working applications in that |
| 09:28 | <@froztbyte> | practice practice practice |
| 09:29 | < Syk> | and then I go home and write C++ that has been described as "the most ungodly thing I have ever seen" |
| 09:29 | <&McMartin> | You can make .NET pretty fast |
| 09:29 | <&McMartin> | I mean, Bastion~ |
| 09:29 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: don't worry, that's because C++ is shit. |
| 09:29 | < Syk> | haha |
| 09:29 | < Syk> | I am okay in Node.JS though |
| 09:29 | <@Azash> | >me looks for work in IT, finds.. colour printer requiring 5 years of former experience, boggles |
| 09:29 | <@Azash> | Er, oops |
| 09:29 | <@Azash> | Consider that a /me |
| 09:30 | < Syk> | and I want a job doing coding stuff, kinda |
| 09:30 | < Syk> | but I have helpdesk and sysadmin experience |
| 09:30 | < Syk> | which frustrates me |
| 09:31 | <@Azash> | Trade you, I want to be a sysadmin but I don't know where I would find such a job |
| 09:31 | <@Azash> | While the market here is overflowing with SE positions |
| 09:31 | < Syk> | I can't make x do y, but goddamn I can have a computer on your desk in 15 minutes ready to go |
| 09:31 | <&McMartin> | On the subject of C# and speed, I give you a .NET-based JIT system for Infocom's old text adventure VM: http://zlr.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:31 | <@froztbyte> | <froztbyte> practice practice practice |
| 09:31 | < Syk> | froztbyte: yeah |
| 09:31 | <@froztbyte> | McMartin: haha, cool |
| 09:31 | <@Azash> | Syk: Your best bet is to go fervent codan' and build a portfolio |
| 09:32 | < Syk> | i've done a few coding projects |
| 09:32 | <@Azash> | Like make a github repo you can give to employers when applying |
| 09:32 | < Syk> | wrote my own helpdesk system, FIDS boards, wrote werk's new website, etc |
| 09:32 | <&McMartin> | froztbyte: It's currently holding the speed record~ |
| 09:32 | < Syk> | but none of them are... well, good |
| 09:32 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Is JITing zcode really useful? |
| 09:33 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: you keep saying "werk", which makes me wonder if it's a habit, or whether you're german/dutch/afrikaans/related? |
| 09:33 | <&McMartin> | jerith: Some of the more complex AI routines in I7 produce noticably reply delays |
| 09:33 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Ah. |
| 09:33 | <&McMartin> | And if you're running on a phone they can be huge. |
| 09:33 | < Syk> | froztbyte: Australian |
| 09:33 | <@froztbyte> | heh |
| 09:33 | <&McMartin> | This was kind of proof-of-concept, but the guy who wrote it also knows both the Z-Machine and the CLR inside and out |
| 09:33 | < Syk> | froztbyte: it's just that 'werk' describes my work much better as it's dysfunctional as fuck |
| 09:34 | < Syk> | case in point: the place is losing staff like mad and they had to delay the building move by 2 months |
| 09:34 | <&jerith> | I can see an optimising native compiler being very useful. |
| 09:34 | <&jerith> | But I suppose that means you need to ship the player with the game. |
| 09:34 | <&McMartin> | YEah |
| 09:34 | | * jerith is now convinced. |
| 09:34 | <&McMartin> | Of course, if you're targeting a mobile platform, you have to do that anyway |
| 09:35 | < Syk> | i am pretty proud of the website i wrote though |
| 09:35 | <&jerith> | McMartin: Not necessarily. |
| 09:35 | < Syk> | they were like "WE WANT A BETTER ONE" and in a mad scramble to stop them paying some designer fucks $50K again, I wrote it |
| 09:35 | <&jerith> | Syk: Is it pretty? |
| 09:36 | < Syk> | well, d'ya want to see it? :P |
| 09:36 | < Syk> | (I have a demo up) |
| 09:36 | | * jerith is currently programming platform-agnostic-but-probably-not-Windows stuff on his OSX machine in a shiny new editor he's learning. |
| 09:36 | <&jerith> | But I'm wearing more than just myunderpants. |
| 09:37 | < Syk> | haha |
| 09:37 | <&jerith> | Syk: Sure. |
| 09:37 | < Syk> | well technically so am I |
| 09:37 | < Syk> | i'm wearing a portal 2 shirt with SPAAAAACE on it |
| 09:37 | <&McMartin> | SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE |
| 09:37 | | * jerith is wearing three complete garments. |
| 09:37 | < Syk> | jerith: PM incoming |
| 09:37 | | * jerith redies the PM catcher. |
| 09:37 | <@froztbyte> | mandatory re-link of http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=8088_Corruption_DAT |
| 09:37 | < Syk> | just don't want to post it too publicly as it's still more or less a demo |
| 09:37 | < Syk> | the major thing was speed |
| 09:38 | < Syk> | i live where 256K broadband still exists |
| 09:38 | < Syk> | of course I then have to wreck this functionality with webfonts and images |
| 09:39 | < Syk> | BUT it works kind of okay on phones and in lynx |
| 09:39 | <@froztbyte> | host the shit locally then |
| 09:39 | < Syk> | froztbyte: it's hosted as locally as we can get it (Australia) |
| 09:39 | < Syk> | every packet has to go a minimum of 7000KM before hitting any other server |
| 09:39 | <@froztbyte> | set up a webserver in your home, serve the webfonts from there, deal with it to mirror anything else |
| 09:39 | <@froztbyte> | Syk: I'm familiar with the issues :P |
| 09:40 | < Syk> | oh right |
| 09:40 | <@froztbyte> | I'm 195ms from just about anything |
| 09:40 | < Syk> | nono I mean... client side slow |
| 09:40 | < Syk> | the server is fast |
| 09:40 | <@froztbyte> | yes, I know |
| 09:40 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 09:40 | < Syk> | but anyway... it's reasonably fast |
| 09:40 | < Syk> | and better than the old site |
| 09:40 | < Syk> | which was 10s+ to load a page |
| 09:40 | <@froztbyte> | clients can't fetch things fast enough because your available bandwidth fails, and you have long tcp latency to take a dump all over your morning |
| 09:41 | < Syk> | and ran a version of Apache that was outdated in 2003 |
| 09:41 | <@froztbyte> | haha |
| 09:41 | <@froztbyte> | corporate IT problems are so entertaining |
| 09:41 | < Syk> | and they still charged us $4000 or so a year for it |
| 09:41 | < Syk> | yeah |
| 09:41 | <@froztbyte> | recently our one big telco-corporate was asking for security updates |
| 09:41 | <@froztbyte> | because the version number wasn't big enough |
| 09:42 | < Syk> | heh |
| 09:42 | <@Azash> | Firefox syndrome |
| 09:42 | <@froztbyte> | naw |
| 09:42 | < Syk> | Azash: Chrome* |
| 09:42 | <@froztbyte> | this has been going for years and years |
| 09:42 | <&jerith> | Oh, right. I need to learn about setting up local puppet magic in Wikimedia Labs so I can finish this metrics stuff before I leave for India. |
| 09:42 | < Syk> | FF only does it because Chrome does it |
| 09:42 | <@froztbyte> | policy doc writers have no comprehension of the state of affairs |
| 09:42 | <@Azash> | Version 29 changelog: -corrected typo in readme.txt |
| 09:43 | < Syk> | hehe |
| 09:43 | < Syk> | at work, I had a program I called Droid |
| 09:43 | < Syk> | and according to management it "had to stand for something" |
| 09:44 | < Syk> | i submitted "Damn Radical Out/In Directory" but my supervisor told me it was stupid :P |
| 09:44 | <@Azash> | :P |
| 09:45 | <@Tamber> | "Stupid? Compared to 'names have to stand for something'?" |
| 09:45 | < Syk> | "syka naming syndrome", my supervisor calls it |
| 09:45 | <@Azash> | Directory of Really Ominous Input Data |
| 09:46 | < Syk> | the helpdesk system is called OpCom, the website static CMS is a pun on the company name, my task manager is named 'Waveform' for no reason and I once named a version of droid "El Droidacabra" |
| 09:46 | < Syk> | aka i come up with stupid names |
| 09:46 | < Syk> | i could totally be a gnome developer |
| 09:46 | | * Syk eyes palimipseresfvewet |
| 09:47 | < Syk> | ...anyway raspberry vodka time |
| 09:47 | < Syk> | i seem to have lost my vodka |
| 09:48 | < Syk> | nevermind, found it under the nerf guns |
| 09:52 | <@Azash> | You have an awesome apartment, I can tell right now |
| 09:53 | < Syk> | Azash: my room just has heaps of shit in it |
| 09:54 | <@Azash> | Well yes, that's part of the definition |
| 09:54 | < Syk> | a broken Portal 2 cup sitting on a spare 460 next to four hundred teabags |
| 09:54 | < Syk> | also, completely unrelated |
| 09:54 | < Syk> | http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mah66rC32h1qawqek.jpg |
| 09:54 | <@Azash> | Wot? |
| 09:55 | < Syk> | http://badlyrecreatedanimatedfilmframes.tumblr.com/ |
| 09:59 | <@Azash> | This is magnificient |
| 09:59 | < Syk> | ikr |
| 10:00 | < Syk> | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mai331qbT61rgbr6wo2_500.jpg |
| 10:00 | < Syk> | cannot... stop... laughing |
| 10:00 | <@Azash> | That damned smile |
| 10:01 | <@Azash> | I like how he ran out of time here |
| 10:01 | <@Azash> | https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_maxfsfYrCA1rgbr6wo 1_500.png |
| 10:01 | <@Azash> | https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_maxfsfYrCA1rgbr6wo 2_500.jpg |
| 10:03 | < Syk> | i dunno man |
| 10:03 | < Syk> | that toilet looks pretty realistic to me |
| 10:10 | | mode/#code [+o Syk] by Azash |
| 10:10 | | * Azash bots roll out |
| 10:14 | <@Syk> | today +o in #code, tomorrow, THE WORLD muahaha |
| 10:14 | <@Syk> | nah not really |
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| 14:39 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPgqfnKG_T4 |
| 14:39 | | * Azash gets grey hairs from a basic HTS mission, grumbles |
| 15:03 | <@Tarinaky> | It's great that I live in a world where FPS 'sentry guns' are a real-world thing you can build as a project over a year. |
| 15:03 | <@Syk> | heh |
| 15:03 | | * Syk punches Java in the face c: |
| 15:04 | | * ErikMesoy punches Lagrange in the face? |
| 15:05 | <@Syk> | i guess I need to practice more |
| 15:05 | <@Syk> | but I feel that .NET has spoiled me compared to Java's weirdness |
| 15:18 | <@Azash> | Java is like that tent which is just as comfy as the other but needs 35 pitons hammered in a certain order or it will collapse as soon as you enter it |
| 15:19 | <@Tamber> | .NET is pretty much the same as the Java tent, but uses a different-shaped hammer. |
| 15:19 | <@TheWatcher> | Java hates the living (but not quite as much as email) |
| 15:19 | <@Tamber> | "...but at least it's not PHP." |
| 15:19 | | * TheWatcher shudder |
| 15:20 | | * Azash looks out from his door, sees roommate tipping his rack cabinet over |
| 15:20 | <@Azash> | :I |
| 15:20 | <@Tamber> | o.0 |
| 15:20 | <@Azash> | Apparently he is installing wheels on it |
| 15:20 | <@Tamber> | If he starts lugging a V8 in, start to worry. |
| 15:21 | | * Azash also has a rack cabinet |
| 15:22 | <@Azash> | We got them via a friend of a friend of a friend whose business was outsourcing their helpdesk or something |
| 15:22 | <@Azash> | https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166512_4155020312773_1524 599048_n.jpg |
| 15:22 | <@Azash> | \:D/ |
| 15:24 | <@Syk> | Tamber: oh god .NET is not like Java |
| 15:24 | <@Syk> | .NET has /actually useful/ standard libraries |
| 15:25 | <@Syk> | Java has shit like a String, StringBuffer and StringBuilder |
| 15:25 | <@Syk> | .NET doesn't care, it just breaks things |
| 15:26 | | * Syk explodes off for a min |
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| 15:29 | <@TheWatcher> | The problem with Java is that it tries to be excessively OO, with the practical result that you get an explosion of classes, none of which entirely do what you want, or you need 20 of them combined in some bizarre and arcane way to do anything (I'm looking at you, Swing) |
| 15:38 | <@rms> | java.util.regex.* isn't any better |
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| 16:41 | < ErikMesoy> | What is a reasonable understanding of "approximately zero"? (Context: Write a Lagrange polynomial interpolation function and check that its difference from sin(x) at certain points is approximately zero.) Less than 5%? |
| 16:45 | < Vornotron> | It'd do for me. |
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| 17:49 | <@rms> | I'd go for bonus points and allow the user to define that. |
| 17:50 | <@rms> | But I tend to overcomplicate everything |
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| 17:57 | < ErikMesoy> | I very much doubt I would get bonus points for that, because the exercise specifies exactly which parameters the function shall have (which discourages and "approximately zero" there), and the overarching guidelines say that programs should run in full from the command line without stopping to wait for the user. >_> |
| 17:58 | < ErikMesoy> | *discourages an |
| 18:07 | <@Namegduf> | I think "it is a working approximation of reasonable degree" |
| 18:07 | | * Namegduf is reminded of the time he simulated sine and cosine with a parabola because it made the shader fastre |
| 18:07 | <@Namegduf> | *faster |
| 18:08 | <@Namegduf> | It totally worked. |
| 18:11 | < Vornotron> | If you're not going past 90deg, it will indeed Totally Work |
| 18:12 | < Vornotron> | (though for sine you'll actually want two parabolas because it's got that inflection point. That, or use a cubic which still only has two terms) |
| 18:48 | < ErikMesoy> | Current golden hammer: for i in (range(len( |
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| 18:49 | <&jerith> | ErikMesoy: What's that for? |
| 18:49 | <&jerith> | If you're just wanting to count things, look at enumerate(). |
| 18:49 | < ErikMesoy> | jerith: manipulating every element in an array, usually |
| 18:51 | < ErikMesoy> | I'm supposed to be able to do this with numpy and say things like x_values = numpy.linspace(-1,1,20), y_values = numpy.sin(x_values) but that throws errors, so instead it's y_values = x_values.copy(), for i in (range(len(y_values)): y_values[i] = numpy.sin(y_values[i]) |
| 18:52 | < ErikMesoy> | I also tried the simpler "for y in y_values: y = sin(y)" but that didn't actually change the contents of y_values for some reason |
| 18:56 | <&jerith> | Yes, that wouldn't change the values. |
| 18:56 | <&jerith> | Why not "y_values = [sin(i) for i in x_values]"? |
| 18:57 | < ErikMesoy> | Because I was unfamiliar with that method of array construction. Neat! |
| 18:57 | <&jerith> | I don't really know numpy, but if you're working with plain Python lists that'll do what you want. |
| 18:58 | <&jerith> | It's a list comprehension, shamelessly stolen from Haskell, Erlang, etc. |
| 18:58 | < ErikMesoy> | AFAIK from this textbook, numpy is supposed to be basically math with certain shinies like the ability to pass arrays as arguments to math functions like sin(), and get back an array where sin() has been applied to each element. |
| 18:59 | < ErikMesoy> | I must be Doing It Wrong somehow. |
| 18:59 | <&jerith> | Possibly. numpy is a sharp tool, and it's easy to cut yourself with it. |
| 19:01 | <&jerith> | Listcomps are one of my favourite Python features. :-) |
| 19:28 | | * ErikMesoy calls sys.argv[1], gets "error: name 'sys' is not defined". WTF. The documentation for sys claims that sys is always available. |
| 19:28 | <&jerith> | ErikMesoy: "import sys". |
| 19:28 | <&jerith> | It's a stdlib module. |
| 19:29 | < ErikMesoy> | I appear to have misunderstood "always available". :p |
| 19:30 | <&jerith> | You can always import it. |
| 19:30 | <&jerith> | And actually, it gets imported as part of the interpreter setup. |
| 19:30 | <&jerith> | But you need to explicitly import it in every module you use it in, like any other module. |
| 19:31 | <&jerith> | Because implicit imports just make things hard to follow. |
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| 19:34 | <&Derakon> | ErikMesoy: think of it this way: what if you wanted a variable named "byteorder" or "copyright" or "executable" etc? These are all defined in the sys module. |
| 19:34 | <&Derakon> | ...mm, no, that's a bad example, because the "sys." prefix is still there. |
| 19:34 | <&Derakon> | Anyway, you do have to manually import every module you want to use. |
| 19:36 | | * Vasi is with ErikMesoy on this. Documentation fail. |
| 19:36 | <&jerith> | Which documentation is it? |
| 19:37 | < ErikMesoy> | docs.python.org |
| 19:37 | <&Derakon> | That's kind of vague. Which specific page? |
| 19:37 | <&Derakon> | The top of http://docs.python.org/2/library/sys.html I guess? |
| 19:38 | <@froztbyte> | ErikMesoy: `import this`, if you haven't read it yet |
| 19:38 | < celticminstrel> | "always available" just means that "import sys" will never throw an ImportError. |
| 19:39 | <@froztbyte> | (unless your system is boned somehow) |
| 19:39 | <@froztbyte> | (which also helps you find the issue) |
| 19:39 | < celticminstrel> | I suppose. |
| 19:39 | <&Derakon> | I'll freely admit that the official Python docs have the occasional bad turn of phrase. |
| 19:39 | <&Derakon> | For example, "The entire Python program exits when no alive non-daemon threads are left." |
| 19:39 | <&jerith> | If the sys module is unavailable, the interpreter isn't going to get as far as your code. |
| 19:40 | <@Vasi> | AKA: Python can't be daemonized |
| 19:40 | <&Derakon> | (Better put earlier in the page as "The significance of [the daemon field] is that the entire Python program exits when only daemon threads are left.") |
| 19:59 | < gnolam> | "The entire Python program exits when no alive non-daemon threads are left." sounds pretty clear to me? |
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| 20:22 | <&Derakon> | Gnolam: too many negatives. |
| 20:32 | < ErikMesoy> | Python appears to have no writef() similar to printf(). I am truncating in place. Is writef() named something funny that I have missed? |
| 20:38 | < gnolam> | ErikMesoy: "This is an integer: {0:d}".format(666) |
| 20:38 | < gnolam> | (Also, some other variants.) |
| 20:38 | < gnolam> | But .format() has pretty much the full range of printf() syntax. |
| 20:43 | <&Derakon> | What is writef supposed to do? |
| 20:44 | < ErikMesoy> | Like printf but to file instead of screen |
| 20:44 | <&Derakon> | Ah. |
| 20:44 | <&Derakon> | filehandle.write("%.2f" % someFloatingPointVariable) |
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| 20:52 | < Vornotron> | Yeah, use your standard string formatting thingy, like Der and gnolam did, depending on your python version, and just write that. |
| 20:52 | < Vornotron> | indeed I didn't even know printf existed as printf |
| 20:59 | < celticminstrel> | Um, that's called fprintf, not writef... |
| 20:59 | < celticminstrel> | Python can output to files, though. |
| 21:00 | < celticminstrel> | In 2.x, it's something like print >> file, I think, |
| 21:00 | < celticminstrel> | ^Python print |
| 21:00 | < Vornotron> | good god |
| 21:00 | < Vornotron> | Just use write |
| 21:01 | <&Derakon> | handle = open(filename, 'w'); handle.write("Hello, world!\n"); handle.close() |
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| 21:04 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
| 21:05 | < celticminstrel> | But print does have the slight advantage of not requiring you to worry too much about line breaks. |
| 21:05 | < celticminstrel> | That said... I always use write myself. |
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| 21:05 | < celticminstrel> | Mainly 'cause it's easier than trying to remember the print syntax, but still. |
| 21:43 | < ErikMesoy> | Finished for tonight, after mucking about in Python classes. |
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| 22:37 | | * froztbyte 's next bit of python files will be as side ideas for the computational investment coursera course |
| 22:37 | <@froztbyte> | filters to help me useful tickers, etc |
| 22:38 | <@froztbyte> | also, apparently I'm really *really* good at stock allocations |
| 22:39 | <@froztbyte> | my toy portfolio that I use in a buy-and-hold game with some other people was out by just under 7% compared to the optimal purchase O_o |
| 22:43 | <@froztbyte> | (someone got a bank for me to use as funding? :D) |
| 23:03 | | * syksleep drops some Monopoly money on froztbyte :P |
| 23:03 | <@froztbyte> | that's okay |
| 23:03 | <@froztbyte> | keep it coming |
| 23:03 | <@froztbyte> | I can make a replacement market out of this, for people whose dog ate it ;) |
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| 23:33 | < Vornotron> | that as cool. |
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| 23:50 | | * McMartin sees a casual note in the SA Steam thread, goes and investigates a little in the relevant settings application, finds that he can now run Within a Deep Forest and Knytt Stories and Fallout without aspect distortion. |
| 23:50 | <@Reiv> | Ey wot? |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | There's a toggle in the NVIDIA control panel between letting the display handle aspect correction or making the GPU do it |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | It turns out my display doesn't do it, so if I go fullscreen in any of those games it does ugly stretching artifacts. |
| 23:51 | <&McMartin> | But if I make the GPU do it then all of those games get automatic pillarboxing. |
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