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| 00:06 | | * ToxicFrog eyes SA. |
| 00:07 | < ToxicFrog> | Oh dear. This question should probably have been posted in Coding Horrors, not General Programming. |
| 00:08 | < ToxicFrog> | Since it basically boils down to "we have a PHP-based system and need a templating language comprehensible to non-programmers; how do I implement a limited subset of PHP in PHP without actually implementing a limited subset of PHP in PHP?" |
| 00:08 | < ToxicFrog> | I don't think he realizes that's what he's asked, though. |
| 00:08 | < RichyB> | You... don't? |
| 00:08 | < RichyB> | It's fine, it's fine. PHP is mostly written by nonprogrammers anyway. |
| 00:09 | < RichyB> | I include the implementation in that statement too. |
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| 02:29 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Yay. Do I want complexity A or complexity B? >.< |
| 02:31 | < Rhamphoryncus> | option A means an odd number of rows of hexagons between pentagons. Can't evenly split that into two (obviously), so I'd have two sides plus a filler. The filler means extra complexity |
| 02:34 | < Rhamphoryncus> | option B avoids that by using a geodesic dual with an even number of rows of hexagons, so they can be split. It does this by having a slight twist, so none of the verticies line up in an obvious fashion. The math for calculating verticies is the other complexity |
| 02:35 | < Rhamphoryncus> | There is a certain elegance to that twist. It makes everything line up less, giving a more organic feel |
| 02:35 | < Rhamphoryncus> | But it seems to be a much worse complexity |
| 03:13 | <~Vornicus> | Can you Bake? |
| 03:16 | < Rhamphoryncus> | meaning? |
| 03:16 | <~Vornicus> | like, can you bake the coordinates once and then use them forever more? |
| 03:17 | <~Vornicus> | --whether it be dev side, or user side? |
| 03:17 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Not quite |
| 03:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Since map size is configurable |
| 03:18 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I could get close, but the whole approach is questionable |
| 03:36 | <~Vornicus> | (I think you can get to, uh... I'm pretty sure you can store just 1/30 of the full data set) |
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| 03:59 | < Rhamphoryncus> | My demo at the moment has 3840 triangles. It is by no means playable. Playable will be on the scale of a billion. So... :) |
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| 04:19 | <&McMartin> | This is hard. |
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| 05:06 | <~Vornicus> | So... no. Okay, new plan. |
| 05:08 | | * Vornicus hunts up some picture. |
| 05:10 | <~Vornicus> | So what you're doing, you're using a triangle that's skewed against a grid of smaller triangles, and projecting that out. |
| 05:13 | <~Vornicus> | What if you could figure out the points where the smaller-triangle grid crosses the big triangle. Given the six points where the grid lines for a particular coordinate meet the edges of the big triangles, it's 6 cross products, a vector sum, and a normalize to get a coordinate. |
| 05:15 | <~Vornicus> | Which I'll admit is a little more work than you'd probably like to do. |
| 05:17 | <~Vornicus> | If you instead store great circles it drops to 3 cross products, because you've baked half of them. |
| 05:22 | <~Vornicus> | The base data I think I can name in closed form. |
| 05:24 | <~Vornicus> | but, uh, I can't find the damn picture any more. |
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| 06:30 | < froztbyte> | I............. http://www.geekwire.com/2012/reality-series-be-microsoft-employee/ |
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| 06:33 | | * thalass eyes Linux Mint 13 |
| 06:34 | < thalass> | It's the shiny new Mint, but doesn't have libpng14. >.< |
| 06:34 | < thalass> | So no eagle cad for me. Until i can sort it out. |
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| 07:21 | <~Vornicus> | Mac nerds: is there a way to type in a unicode code point and get a character out? |
| 07:22 | <&McMartin> | I'm unaware of such a thing - it sounds suspiciously like a technology not invented by Steve |
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| 09:20 | <&jerith> | Vornicus: You can open up the Special Characters thing and find the codepoint, but that's a pain. |
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| 19:18 | <~Vornicus> | dammitall |
| 19:19 | <~Vornicus> | every time I open GSP I say to myself "i could make a better program than this" and then never get around to it because it involves among other things GUI. |
| 19:21 | <~Vornicus> | which I've never managed to figure out how to actually do in any system, because the gui stuff is just kind of all over the place. |
| 19:32 | < sshine> | hmm |
| 19:32 | < sshine> | I never say "I could write a better GUI than this one". I often curse at how poorly GUIs are made. |
| 19:34 | < ToxicFrog> | What is GSP? |
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| 20:13 | < sshine> | Georges St-Pierre? |
| 20:13 | < sshine> | he's a pretty awesome UFC fighter. :) |
| 20:19 | <~Vornicus> | Geometer's Sketchpad |
| 20:25 | <~Vornicus> | Geometry software. I most often use it because I'm drawing stuff that actually sort of needs it: using general drawing softwre I've found it's hard to size circles correctly |
| 20:30 | <~Vornicus> | But it's got lots of issues. No zoom or other scale-thinking functions; the only way to unhide an entity is to unhide everything; once you've placed an object (well, an object that has a position term determining its location) you can't set its position precisely; there's only 15 colors available for most things, you start rendering more than a few dozen objects (say, the full generation of a |
| 20:30 | <~Vornicus> | 17 gon) you get a framerate which is downright pathetic. |
| 20:33 | <~Vornicus> | You can set the default color of every type of object /except/ labels, so if you wanted to do light-on-dark you're stuck because the labels are always black. |
| 20:42 | <~Vornicus> | Text boxes other than labels - which include such things as measurements - are all independently positioned, you can't hook them onto objects. Labels themselves are just text, and can't get any measurement data shown in them. |
| 20:44 | < ToxicFrog> | xfig supremacy?~ |
| 20:45 | <~Vornicus> | Can you place a circle by center and point-on-circle? |
| 20:46 | < ToxicFrog> | "point-on-circle"? |
| 20:46 | <~Vornicus> | I have a point that I want to be on the circle. |
| 20:46 | <~Vornicus> | I don't want it to be the corner of the bounding box (which every drawing program can do), I want it to be on the circle. |
| 20:47 | <~Vornicus> | This is the killer feature this thing has, it's the only drawing program that makes actual circles (Sketchup uses 24-gons by default) and does that that I've found. |
| 20:49 | < ToxicFrog> | Oh, this needs to be 3d? |
| 20:49 | <~Vornicus> | no, 2d works |
| 20:49 | < ToxicFrog> | In that case I would expect any vector drawing program to be able to do actual circles |
| 20:49 | <~Vornicus> | But Sketchup is 3d and lets me do the circle thing except they're not really circles, they're 24-gons |
| 20:50 | <~Vornicus> | TF: I think you're not understanding me. |
| 20:51 | <~Vornicus> | I need a thing that I can draw a circle /through/ a particular point, that's not axis-aligned or even a rational distance from the center. |
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| 20:51 | < ToxicFrog> | Oh, I missed the "and does that" bit |
| 20:52 | < ToxicFrog> | xfig can in fact do that (click once to place the centre, then click again on a point you want the circle to run through; it doesn't need to be axis-aligned and I'm not even sure it has a concept of "bounding box") |
| 20:52 | < ToxicFrog> | you can also do this by measuring the distance between the points and manually entering the radius you want. |
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| 20:52 | <~Vornicus> | Like I need a circle to be centered at (0, 0) and go /through/ (1, 1), which in most drawing programs I've met require me to tell it I want the circle bounded by the box (-1.4142, -1.4142), (1.4142, 1.4142). |
| 20:52 | < ToxicFrog> | That said, the suggestion of xfig was not entirely serious, because it's kind of the vi of vector graphics programs |
| 20:53 | < ToxicFrog> | Which is to say it is incredibly powerful and flexible but was designed by, and for, aliens |
| 20:53 | <~Vornicus> | Heh |
| 20:53 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah, in xfig that's: |
| 20:54 | < ToxicFrog> | - tool: draw ellipse by radius |
| 20:54 | < ToxicFrog> | - click on 0,0 |
| 20:54 | < ToxicFrog> | - click on 1,1 |
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| 20:56 | < ToxicFrog> | And it'll export to pretty much any vector graphics format you want. |
| 20:57 | < ToxicFrog> | Including PS or PDF + LaTeX include commands, or even pure LaTeX using a graphics drawing package. |
| 20:57 | <~Vornicus> | Okay, perhaps I need to learn how to xfig. |
| 20:57 | < ToxicFrog> | I've been using it primarily for simple figures for my papers. |
| 20:58 | < ToxicFrog> | Note: you will need a three-button mouse |
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| 21:13 | <~Vornicus> | Also there doesn't appear to be a free windows build of it |
| 21:13 | <~Vornicus> | So that's no help. |
| 21:16 | < ToxicFrog> | Oh. |
| 21:17 | < ToxicFrog> | There's a Cygwin build of it, if you have Cygwin. |
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| 23:13 | | * TheWatcher eyes these stats: 18808 lines of code in 25 days |
| 23:13 | <@TheWatcher> | That means I've been averaging 752 lines a day >.< |
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| 23:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | tried inkscape? I've had some good success with all the alignment and scaling tools |
| 23:26 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Align on center of an object, edge of an object, etc |
| 23:26 | < ToxicFrog> | um |
| 23:26 | < ToxicFrog> | $ baobab |
| 23:26 | < ToxicFrog> | baobab: malloc.c:3096: sYSMALLOc: Assertion `(old_top == (((mbinptr) (((char *) &((av)->bins[((1) - 1) * 2])) - __builtin_offsetof (struct malloc_chunk, fd)))) && old_size == 0) || ((unsigned long) (old_size) >= (unsigned long)((((__builtin_offsetof (struct malloc_chunk, fd_nextsize))+((2 * (sizeof(size_t))) - 1)) & ~((2 * (sizeof(size_t))) - 1))) && ((old_top)->size & 0x1) && ((unsigned long)old_end & pagemask) == 0)' failed. |
| 23:26 | < ToxicFrog> | That sounds ominous and I don't remember it ever happening before |
| 23:27 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Mmmm heap corruption |
| 23:28 | <~Vornicus> | Wow, um. |
| 23:29 | <~Vornicus> | Rham: I couldn't convince it to do what I wanted. |
| 23:29 | <~Vornicus> | Anyway, did you check out my "new plan" up there? It might help. |
| 23:31 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Not sure which you mean |
| 23:32 | <~Vornicus> | http://www.starforge.co.uk/irclogs/code/code.20120726.log.html#m0506-0 |
| 23:32 | <~Vornicus> | This is a lot less expensive than an energy model and may still give good results. |
| 23:33 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Hrm. Sounds like you've got a lot more than one circle you're trying to align |
| 23:34 | < ToxicFrog> | snrk. There is a library for Clojure for performing runtime inspection of protected/private fields |
| 23:35 | < ToxicFrog> | It's called "wallhack" |
| 23:35 | <~Vornicus> | Rham: I actually used this for my original thing, making great circles, intersecting them, averaging the intersections. |
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| 23:37 | <~Vornicus> | if I can find that image of how the geodesation triangles line up I'd probably be able to do the math out. |
| 23:38 | < Rhamphoryncus> | oooh, you're talking about geodesics lol |
| 23:39 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I take back what I said about geodesics. Alignment doesn't work together with scaling |
| 23:39 | < Rhamphoryncus> | err... about inkscape |
| 23:40 | <~Vornicus> | ah |
| 23:40 | <~Vornicus> | heh |
| 23:40 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Brain no workie today. I feel like crawling back into bed but that'd only make my sleep issues worse |
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