| --- Log opened Wed Feb 08 00:00:45 2012 |
| 00:50 | < Noah{Beta}> | Quick, someone tell me why PHP sucks |
| 00:53 | <@Tamber> | Because it's made of spiders and insanity. |
| 00:53 | <@Tamber> | Not even the /cool/ spiders. |
| 00:56 | <~Vornicus> | Horrible, horrible weak typing. |
| 00:57 | <@Tamber> | Inverted flags on /some/ debugging output enable, to protect idiots who don't disable error printing, whilst breaking the expectations of anyone who does. |
| 00:57 | <@Tamber> | (Because being consistent is /boring/. :) |
| 00:58 | < Noah{Beta}> | Phew, sanity restored, thanks guys |
| 00:58 | <~Vornicus> | Required warts; no namespacing (or at least the last one I used)... |
| 00:59 | < Noah{Beta}> | I meant to ask, is there some kind of web implementation of python? |
| 01:00 | <@Tamber> | There is, yup. (If you'll give me a few moments, I'll find the name.) |
| 01:00 | <~Vornicus> | Do you mean, a web framework for python? Django and Pylons. |
| 01:00 | <~Vornicus> | Take your pick. |
| 01:00 | < Noah{Beta}> | No, more like perl |
| 01:00 | <@Tamber> | ...that's the one, yup. *too slow, again* |
| 01:01 | <~Vornicus> | "more like perl"? |
| 01:01 | <@Tamber> | Eh? |
| 01:01 | <@Tamber> | CGI? |
| 01:01 | < Noah{Beta}> | Er, yea, that |
| 01:01 | <@Tamber> | Pretty much /every/ language can do that. |
| 01:01 | <@Tamber> | http://showcase.netins.net/web/etsinc/cobolcgi.html |
| 01:02 | | * Tamber runs. |
| 01:02 | < Noah{Beta}> | haha, awesome |
| 01:03 | <~Vornicus> | Yeah, cgi is actually a very, very basic protocol. I don't remember how it works but iirc all you have to do is return a string that's the webpage. |
| 01:03 | <~Vornicus> | I wouldn't use it though; look into a proper framework, which will do things faster. |
| 01:04 | <@Tamber> | "In the case of HTTP PUT or POSTs, the user-submitted data is provided to the program via the standard input. In any case, according to the CGI standard, data is passed into the program using certain, specific environment variables." |
| 01:04 | < Noah{Beta}> | Couldn't hurt to ask |
| 01:10 | < simon__> | PCRE's ?R is cool. |
| 01:11 | < simon__> | it's a total abuse of regular expression. |
| 01:12 | < gnolam> | Tamber: I wrote web code in plain C once, just because. |
| 01:12 | < simon__> | you can use it to make a recursive parser and refer to back-references recursively by their number. |
| 01:13 | <@Tamber> | The web interface on most of the consumer routers I've dug into is apparently implemented in C, from what I've peeled apart. |
| 01:14 | <@Tamber> | (Which isn't much. Not that much I can do with 'em without breaking them. :) |
| 01:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | IIRC, you generate the output page just by writing it stdout. |
| 01:16 | <~Vornicus> | Yeah. POST comes in on stdin, and the other stuff comes in on environment variables. |
| 01:16 | <~Vornicus> | It's really, really simple. |
| 01:19 | < celticminstrel> | I recall reading about namespaces in PHP. It was kinda odd actually. |
| 01:55 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 02:07 | | * McMartin commits a fix to the codebase marked "Fix rampancy problem in {exec}" |
| 02:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | snrk |
| 02:09 | <&McMartin> | Due to failing to update necessary state, but optimizing away unnecessary non-network actions, it was getting into a state where it needed to do various bits of processing then ask for something else, but instead decided to try to destroy the entire Internet with a request storm of step 1. |
| 02:19 | < Noah{Beta}> | Dev sent back: Working as intended |
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| 02:39 | < Noah{Beta}> | Wow, I just found out there was an animated series for Watership Down, and reading the wiki on it, it sounds like a total butchery, so, I'll just as readily unfound it out |
| 02:40 | < Noah{Beta}> | Okay, forgotten, now /clear |
| 02:40 | < Noah{Beta}> | Woah, my screen's black...what'd I /clear for again?... must've not been important. |
| 02:44 | | * Vornicus patpats noah |
| 02:45 | < Noah{Beta}> | That awkward moment when you want to watch youtube videos, but are still download a massively huge file over what amounts to modern dialup |
| 02:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Pause download, watch video, resume download. |
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| 04:20 | < celticminstrel> | XD |
| 04:25 | <@ShellNinja> | McMartin: Well, I use Debian as a desktop. :P |
| 04:26 | <@himi> | I haven't come across someone who does that in /ages/ |
| 04:27 | <@ShellNinja> | It gives me minimal problems, compared to Windows, which I used before it. |
| 04:27 | <&McMartin> | ShellNinja: Well, don't come bitching to me when my code assumes that you have libraries that were upgraded to stuff less than two years old |
| 04:29 | <@ShellNinja> | I won't. |
| 04:32 | < Ling> | lulz |
| 04:39 | < Noah{Beta}> | You think you're so clever with your "libraries" and your "code" |
| 04:39 | | * Tamber forces Noah to write everything in raw machine-code. |
| 04:40 | < Noah{Beta}> | blarg |
| 04:41 | < Noah{Beta}> | now my code is fast and snappy, oh noes |
| 04:41 | <&McMartin> | It still takes you an extra six months to get your answer, though |
| 04:42 | < Noah{Beta}> | I actually had a plan to write a python...thing, for solving system of equations using the reduced row echelon form method |
| 04:45 | <~Vornicus> | "gaussian elimination" |
| 04:48 | < Noah{Beta}> | Is that not the same thing |
| 04:55 | <~Vornicus> | Yes, but it might help in finding the right algorithm. |
| 04:55 | < Noah{Beta}> | Yea, I was just reading over it |
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| 10:10 | <@TheWatcher> | (ugh, I need more tea >.<) |
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| 12:23 | < Noah{Beta}> | TheWatcher Inventory: |
| 12:23 | < Noah{Beta}> | a headache |
| 12:24 | < Noah{Beta}> | no tea |
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| 14:01 | < maoranma> | HEY HAY HAI |
| 14:02 | < maoranma> | Hmm, so I can get to Nightstar, but not deviantart |
| 14:02 | <@Alek> | HAI YAH! *breaks bricks* |
| 14:10 | < maoranma> | Oh good, an extra credit opportunity |
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| 17:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aagh, fuck Eclipse |
| 17:39 | < gnolam> | A penis big enough to blot out the sun? |
| 17:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes |
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| 19:18 | | * Vornucopia fiddles with code he needs to make piecewise functions do derivative right. |
| 19:23 | < Vornucopia> | Limits! Fuckyeah! |
| 19:33 | | Kindamoody|out is now known as Kindamoody |
| 19:57 | | * Vornucopia hunts around for a portable python. |
| 19:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | portable cygwin includes python~ |
| 19:59 | | * Vornucopia fires TF into Alpha Centauri B. |
| 20:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | eep |
| 20:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | (portable cygwin is actually damn useful but there's probably something more lightweight you can find~) |
| 20:03 | < Vornucopia> | Like say Python Portable? :) |
| 20:04 | < celticminstrel> | Isn't python normally portable? |
| 20:07 | < Vornucopia> | Not in the sense I mean |
| 20:07 | < Vornucopia> | Which is: there's no python install on the lab computers here at school. |
| 20:07 | < Vornucopia> | So I want one on my usb drive. |
| 20:11 | < Vornucopia> | Okay, that done I can actually try to use the code I just wrote! |
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| 20:26 | < Vornucopia> | Hooray, it works |
| 20:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | celticminstrel: portable in the "portableapps" sense, not in the "cross-platform" sense |
| 20:53 | < Vornucopia> | Hooray, Calculus |
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| 21:09 | <@jerith> | Vornucopia: Try pypy maybe? |
| 21:10 | <@jerith> | Although I'm not sure how well-tested their Windows builds are. |
| 21:10 | < Vornucopia> | Portable Python does the job perfectly. |
| 21:11 | <@jerith> | Vornucopia: Yes, but pypy has a JIT and not being faster than cpython is a bug. |
| 21:13 | < Vornucopia> | Sigh |
| 21:14 | < Vornucopia> | Also it doesn't appear to be portable. |
| 21:15 | <@jerith> | :-( |
| 21:15 | <@jerith> | Ah well. |
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| 21:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | In what way? |
| 21:23 | <@Alek> | "you don't understand! he uses regexp to write to his girlfriends!" |
| 21:24 | < Vornucopia> | Like, it appears to do standard installation, and may manipulate the registry - portable apps aren't supposed to do that, and I see no mention of portability as a feature. |
| 21:25 | <@jerith> | The *nix version just gets untarred and is usable. |
| 21:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 21:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...why do they call it "portable python" then? |
| 21:27 | < Vornucopia> | ...um |
| 21:28 | < Vornucopia> | They call Portable Python portable because it is. I see no such thing on the pypy site. |
| 21:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh |
| 21:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | You meant pypy isn't portable |
| 21:32 | < gnolam> | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120208/03295517697/syrian-presidents-email-ha cked-his-password-was-12345.shtml |
| 21:33 | <&McMartin> | "What?! That's the kind of code an idiot would put on his luggage!" |
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| --- Log closed Thu Feb 09 00:00:00 2012 |