| --- Log opened Thu May 21 00:00:41 2009 |
| 01:03 | <@McMartin> | ... holy crap |
| 01:03 | <@McMartin> | OSS edition of Qt 4.5.1 built with the newly-open-sourced features out of the box |
| 01:04 | <@Derakon> | Saintly scat? |
| 01:04 | <@McMartin> | This is literally the first time I've seen this with any open-sourced formerly-commercial product ever. |
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| 15:09 | | * TheWatcher eyes the html 4 spec, had never really noticed this before: strike, s, and u are deprecated, but b, big, and small aren't. Yey for consistency. |
| 15:18 | <@MyCatVerbs> | "Deprecated" is kind of meaningless in a spec that is going to be supported as far into the future as HTML4 shall be. |
| 15:32 | <@Consul> | It's a really cool word, though. Especially if applied to people. "Sorry, Jim. You've been deprecated." |
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| 17:40 | <@TheWatcher> | ... wait |
| 17:40 | <@TheWatcher> | IE allows for javascript expressions in stylesheets wut |
| 17:40 | <@TheWatcher> | Even in style="" attributes?! |
| 17:40 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | wut |
| 17:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | |
| 17:42 | <@Derakon> | Dynamic stylesheets. ;.; |
| 17:44 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | I can understand using javascript to futz stylesheets, hell, you do it all the time, but... |
| 17:50 | <@TheWatcher> | Things like 'left: expression(document.body.offsetWidth - 110 + "px");' are apparently perfectly valid |
| 17:50 | <@TheWatcher> | as are calls to any javascript you want, it seems |
| 17:52 | <@TheWatcher> | IE8 apparently drops support for them, by they've been in IE 5 to 7 |
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| 20:55 | <@Derakon> | Mental note: [20, 41, 5] is not the same thing as range(20, 41, 5) |
| 22:29 | <@gnolam> | Mental note: ballistics are trickier than one might think. |
| 22:30 | <@Derakon> | Is this with or without air resistance? |
| 22:30 | <@gnolam> | Without. |
| 22:30 | <@TheWatcher> | Can can the swallow grip it by the husk? |
| 22:31 | <@TheWatcher> | *And can |
| 22:31 | <@gnolam> | With is something I don't want to touch with a 10 ft pole. |
| 22:32 | <@TheWatcher> | (als, Mental note: when my plan for world domination comes to fruition, find some inventive and truly horrible way to repay the IE designers and coders for the godawful messes they are responsible for) |
| 22:33 | <@Consul> | After you're done with that, could you find the time to figure out the average airspeed of an unladen swallow? |
| 22:33 | <@Consul> | http://www.style.org/unladenswallow/ -- Never mind. :-) |
| 23:09 | | * TheWatcher stabbinates the author of HTML::Tidy, goes into the source to find out how it #@"~ing handles config options |
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| 23:20 | <@Consul> | So, my sister and I have an app idea that would really save her a lot of headache, plus completely eliminate her need for a typewriter. |
| 23:20 | <@Derakon> | AI-driven essay writer? |
| 23:21 | <@Consul> | It seems, in the legal profession, that lawyers still need to use pre-printed legal forms for a lot of things (downloadable PDF forms are still not acceptable for some things)... |
| 23:21 | <@Consul> | So, for this purpose, she has a typewriter, which is inconvenient, as it takes up space in an already small office. |
| 23:21 | <@Consul> | So, I brainstormed an idea.. |
| 23:22 | <@Consul> | She has a laser printer, and a sheet feed scanner designed for document scanning. |
| 23:23 | <@Consul> | So my thinking is, feed the form to be printed out in the scanner, load up the image in a program that will allow her to type over the image the info she needs... |
| 23:23 | <@Consul> | Then put the form in the laser printer, and it can print the info typed in right onto the form. |
| 23:23 | <@Consul> | But first... |
| 23:24 | <@Consul> | You would calibrate the system by having the program print out a calibration page, which would then be scanned right back in. |
| 23:24 | <@Consul> | The program can use those to determine offsets and scaling differences. |
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| 23:33 | <@Consul> | Interestingly enough, the part I feel least confident with is not the calibration, but the idea of text editing on top of an image. |
| 23:34 | <@McMartin> | ImageMagick has a command for this |
| 23:34 | <@Derakon> | Making UIs for image manipulation is not exactly straightforward, though. |
| 23:34 | <@Derakon> | You'd be better off with a Photoshop plugin or something of that nature. |
| 23:34 | <@Consul> | She uses Linux. FC10 at the moment. |
| 23:35 | <@McMartin> | Hm. Can't GIMP read PDF? |
| 23:35 | <@McMartin> | Its text handling kind of sucks though. |
| 23:35 | <@McMartin> | ImageMagick is a Linux thing, but it's also commandline |
| 23:35 | <@McMartin> | I'm not convinced it would be that much easier without knowing the pixel offsets yourself |
| 23:35 | <@Consul> | McMartin: PDF has nothing to do with this. Some forms do not come as PDF. That's the issue. |
| 23:36 | <@McMartin> | And at that point you're basically making them into digitizable forms yourself |
| 23:36 | <@Consul> | They have to be printed officially and distributed. |
| 23:36 | <@Consul> | McMartin: No, the laser printer will be printing on the official form. |
| 23:36 | <@Consul> | The idea is to scan the form, type on the form in digital form, then print the text out back onto the real form. |
| 23:36 | <@McMartin> | Mm |
| 23:36 | <@Consul> | So the user would have to take the form and feed it into the printer. |
| 23:37 | <@McMartin> | Might be able to play games with GIMP and layers to do that without external support. |
| 23:37 | <@Consul> | Alignment is the issue, which is why I brought up the calibration point. |
| 23:37 | <@gnolam> | ... wouldn't it be easier just to change the "No PDF forms" rule? :P |
| 23:37 | <@Consul> | gnolam: Well, that's government for you. |
| 23:39 | <@Consul> | McMartin: A GIMP plug-in sounds like a reasonable avenue to explore. |
| 23:41 | | * Vornicus-Latens wishes more form-like pdfs would actually bother to include filly-inny places. |
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| 23:41 | | * Vornicus is sorely tempted to hack the D&D character sheet pdf to add just such things. |
| 23:42 | <@Consul> | Why not just write a program that makes D&D character sheets, nicely formatted? You have the advantage of not being a legal document, there. :-) |
| 23:43 | <@Derakon> | He's been working in it. |
| 23:44 | <@Vornicus> | Consul: what Der said, except "on" instead of "in" |
| 23:44 | <@Derakon> | ...er, right. |
| 23:44 | | * Derakon eyes his fingers. |
| 23:55 | <@Consul> | Hehe |
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