| --- Log opened Sat May 12 00:00:18 2007 |
| 00:00 | < MyCatVerbs> | Got it? Or...? |
| 00:01 | <@McMartin> | Got it. |
| 00:01 | < MyCatVerbs> | \o/ |
| 00:01 | <@McMartin> | Though it is precisely as I foresaw before getting it. |
| 00:01 | < MyCatVerbs> | Heh. |
| 00:01 | <@McMartin> | get_blorb_metadata is failing. |
| 00:01 | < MyCatVerbs> | For reference, this is python-2.4.3, on OpenBSD 4.0. |
| 00:01 | <@McMartin> | But it seems to be failing in a manner I did not expect. |
| 00:02 | < MyCatVerbs> | Congratulations, by the way. Your software is (almost) BSD-compatible. =D |
| 00:02 | < MyCatVerbs> | Are there any debug flags I could turn on to flood the place with useful output? |
| 00:03 | <@McMartin> | If you could open up /usr/local/lib/blorple/ifiction.py and add the command "raise" after "print "Error reading %s"", at the same level of indentation, it will crash with a backtrace |
| 00:04 | < MyCatVerbs> | Righto. |
| 00:04 | <@McMartin> | Either it's somehow failing to find the file, or there's a critical change in the semantics of xml.minidom between 2.4.3 and 2.4.4 |
| 00:04 | <@McMartin> | I suspect the former, but. |
| 00:05 | < MyCatVerbs> | Same level of indentation? |
| 00:05 | <@McMartin> | Yeah. Python uses indentation levels to indicate blocking, as you may have heard. |
| 00:06 | <@McMartin> | Basically it's saying "Re-throw the exception now" in that exception handler. |
| 00:06 | < MyCatVerbs> | Umm, I introduced a syntax error. x_x |
| 00:07 | < MyCatVerbs> | Nevermind. |
| 00:07 | <@McMartin> | Use spaces to do the indent. |
| 00:07 | < MyCatVerbs> | Jah, I have vim set to use hard tabs by default. |
| 00:08 | < MyCatVerbs> | Oh. It's failing to load pyexpat |
| 00:08 | < MyCatVerbs> | http://pastie.caboo.se/60916 |
| 00:09 | < MyCatVerbs> | Better add pyexpat to the install program, I guess. I'll install it now and try again. |
| 00:09 | <@McMartin> | That's several thousand varieties of bizarre, and sounds like a bug in the BSD python distro. |
| 00:10 | <@ToxicFrog|wr0k> | What, pyexpat is meant to come with pythong? |
| 00:10 | <@ToxicFrog|wr0k> | Also, "programming by ^Y"?/ |
| 00:10 | < MyCatVerbs> | ToxicFrog|wr0k: paste. |
| 00:10 | < MyCatVerbs> | "Yank" in emacs terminology. |
| 00:10 | <@McMartin> | TF: pyexpat is an internal library, apparently imported with "xml.dom.minidom", which is, indeed, supplied by the standard library |
| 00:10 | <@McMartin> | So its standard library is linking against libraries it doesn't have. |
| 00:11 | < MyCatVerbs> | McMartin: works perfectly. |
| 00:11 | <@ToxicFrog|wr0k> | Aah. |
| 00:11 | < MyCatVerbs> | Pictures, titles, descriptions, the works. |
| 00:11 | <@McMartin> | woot. |
| 00:11 | <@McMartin> | Nevertheless, wtf. |
| 00:11 | < MyCatVerbs> | McMartin: dunno why, but they deliberately split pyexpat out in the python package. |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | That's totally their fault. |
| 00:12 | < MyCatVerbs> | McMartin: presumably because expat itself is also not part of the base OS. Anyway. |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | http://docs.python.org/lib/module-xml.dom.minidom.html |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | They have failed to also split the bits of python that depend on pyexpat out. |
| 00:12 | < MyCatVerbs> | Yes. Oh well. So put a check for it in the installer, too, and you're done with BSD compatibility. Right? |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | Until it ends up depending on something else. |
| 00:13 | < MyCatVerbs> | McMartin: heh. I agree, it's stupid. Especially since python2.4 is several megs and pyexpat several kilobytes. |
| 00:14 | <@McMartin> | The point is, checking for pyexpat only works until the standard library is patched to use something else, or the BSD maintainers have another bout of brainworms. |
| 00:14 | < MyCatVerbs> | Well, all I have on here are python2.4, pyexpat and pygkt. And that's apparently a comically stripped down version of python. |
| 00:14 | <@McMartin> | Good to know, then. |
| 00:15 | < MyCatVerbs> | ... |
| 00:15 | < MyCatVerbs> | You made it launch frotz on doubleclick! <3 |
| 00:15 | | * MyCatVerbs hugs McMartin. |
| 00:16 | < MyCatVerbs> | Wow, python dumps core if I ^Z it. |
| 00:16 | < MyCatVerbs> | Oh well. |
| 00:17 | <@McMartin> | You can also edit .blorplerc if you use a different terp. |
| 00:18 | <@McMartin> | Did you ^z frotz, blorple, or blorple's console window? |
| 00:18 | < MyCatVerbs> | Blorple's console window. |
| 00:18 | < MyCatVerbs> | I wouldn't bother if I were you. Fiver says it's a BSD-specific bug. |
| 00:19 | | * McMartin just failed to replicate on FC6, so. |
| 00:19 | < MyCatVerbs> | Hell, it segfaulted in the middle of a call to poll(2), according to gdb. |
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| 01:09 | < Takyoji> | nickserv identify 1337p455w0rd |
| 01:10 | < Takyoji> | Crap! |
| 01:10 | < Takyoji> | j/k :P |
| 01:13 | < Takyoji> | So.. |
| 01:14 | < Takyoji> | A while ago I was looking around for script editors and found "PSPad" which I'd highly recommend: http://www.pspad.com/en/pspad.htm |
| 01:14 | < Takyoji> | It's a handy little editor |
| 01:14 | | Takyoji is now known as Takyoji[AWAY] |
| 01:16 | | * Janus will someday know his way around the legs... someday. |
| 01:19 | | * Janus should probably follow that with the punchline soon. |
| 01:21 | < Janus> | Finished the upper area for some guy I'm going to model in threedy. Thank goodness they've made rotate and horizontal mirror filters. |
| 01:21 | < Janus> | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/tai_ragnarok/YoungGuyReference.png |
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| 01:29 | <@gnolam> | ... kinky. |
| 01:31 | < Janus> | ... Davinci and Michealangelo did it..! |
| 01:32 | < Janus> | I'm going to have to draw a lot of boobies to regain my manhood, aren't I... |
| 01:33 | <@gnolam> | Yes. Yes you have to. A /mountain/ of boobies. |
| 01:34 | <@gnolam> | And we're still going to suspect that you have a Bruce Wayney relationship with adolescents. |
| 01:35 | < MyCatVerbs> | Nah, you're fine. gnolam's just a kidder. |
| 01:35 | < Janus> | Back to square one, eh~ |
| 01:35 | < Janus> | Is that so? |
| 01:35 | < MyCatVerbs> | I'm not sure if the arms might be a millimetre too long. |
| 01:36 | < MyCatVerbs> | Or if it's just me. I think it's just me. |
| 01:36 | < jerith> | Janus: I'm glad you stopped there. |
| 01:37 | < jerith> | Otherwise we could all be arrested for possession of whatever it is they call hand-drawn juvenile erotica in legalese these days. |
| 01:37 | < MyCatVerbs> | I personally think you should've drawn the whole person. Wearing boxer shorts at least, though. |
| 01:38 | < jerith> | Nicely done, though. |
| 01:38 | < MyCatVerbs> | Seconded. |
| 01:38 | < jerith> | The waist might be a bit wide, but without anything below that, I'm not really sure. |
| 01:39 | < Janus> | True, boxers cover all. I wouldn't know how to draw that type of thing anyway. And thanks~ |
| 01:40 | < jerith> | Boxers might cover too much if you want the shape of the legs as well. |
| 01:40 | < jerith> | Perhaps discreet briefs? |
| 01:40 | < MyCatVerbs> | Yes, but a manthong would cause raised eyebrows. |
| 01:41 | < jerith> | Not *that* discreet. |
| 01:42 | < jerith> | Concealing the naughty bits suitably without covering anything useful and interesting. |
| 01:42 | < jerith> | (To us, not to him.) |
| 01:42 | < MyCatVerbs> | Yuhuh. |
| 01:42 | < jerith> | (I would imagine he finds his naughty bits very useful and interesting.) |
| 01:42 | < Janus> | Fair enough. It's going to be interesting to explain to my family why I'm drawing an adolescent guy in briefs, no matter how concealing. |
| 01:42 | < MyCatVerbs> | Trust me, it's the furry porn that the internet will eventually be burned down for, anyway. |
| 01:42 | < jerith> | Umm, how did I find myself in this conversation? |
| 01:42 | < MyCatVerbs> | Oh wow, nice segue. |
| 01:43 | | * McMartin directs jerith to http://blorple.sf.net/ |
| 01:43 | < MyCatVerbs> | The ending of Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody just blends absolutely *perfectly* into the beginning of Pink Floyd's "The Happiest Days of Our Lives" |
| 01:43 | < Janus> | He gets no naughty bits. Ambigious all the way. |
| 01:44 | < jerith> | Janus: Why *are* you drawing an adolescent guy, in or out of briefs? |
| 01:44 | < MyCatVerbs> | jerith: because all the Renaissance artists did it. |
| 01:44 | < MyCatVerbs> | jerith: to practice human anatomy. |
| 01:44 | < jerith> | Ah. |
| 01:45 | < jerith> | McMartin: Shiny! |
| 01:45 | < Janus> | It's for Maya, so I can model it in threedy. I would have put a lot of clothes on it, but I heard you shouldn't model clothes straight to the body. |
| 01:45 | < jerith> | I still want *nix I7, though. :-/ |
| 01:46 | < jerith> | Janus: Perhaps go for the nude, just without danglies. Or something. |
| 01:46 | < jerith> | Anyways, it's nearly 03h00 here and I need to visit the bathroom before collapsing into bed. |
| 01:46 | < MyCatVerbs> | Mattel logo stamped on a blank crotch! |
| 01:47 | < MyCatVerbs> | Barbie doll style nudity. ^^ |
| 01:47 | < Janus> | Haahaha, "No easter egg here, pervert." |
| 01:48 | < MyCatVerbs> | ^^ |
| 01:49 | < jerith> | I once foolishly followed a link on some otherwise fairly innocent anime site to some "shotacon". |
| 01:49 | < Janus> | Poor soul... time will make it all better. Lots of time. |
| 01:50 | <@gnolam> | jerith: you should have known better. |
| 01:50 | < jerith> | I don't speak Japanese. |
| 01:50 | < jerith> | And there was another sort of similarish word that I don' |
| 01:50 | <@gnolam> | If you encounter a Japanese word you haven't heard before - /you don't want to know what it means/. |
| 01:50 | < jerith> | t remember that took my to nifty mecha. |
| 01:50 | < MyCatVerbs> | I once idly told a friend to google image search for "Hentai" over the phone, when he was asking me how to find some trivially wonderful piece of software online. |
| 01:51 | < jerith> | Yeah. I know that now. |
| 01:51 | <@gnolam> | There's a reason Google Seppuku was invented. |
| 01:51 | < MyCatVerbs> | Little did I know his mother was standing behind him at the time. Pre-safesearch days. |
| 01:51 | < MyCatVerbs> | Than goodness she had a decent sense of humour. x_x |
| 01:52 | < jerith> | Heh. |
| 01:52 | < jerith> | Anyways, off with me before my bladder explodes messily in what would probably make a great manga scene. |
| 01:52 | < jerith> | G'night all. |
| 01:52 | < MyCatVerbs> | Sleep well. |
| 01:52 | < Janus> | Night, Sir. |
| 01:55 | | * ToxicFrog|wr0k resyncs, eyes PSPad, discards it as useless to him |
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| 02:14 | < MyCatVerbs> | McMartin: so anyway, blorple works perfectly on my box. If only the version of frotz on here grokked I7. |
| 02:27 | <@gnolam> | http://www.theregister.com/2007/05/11/ipv6_flaw_scramble/ |
| 02:31 | < MyCatVerbs> | Meh. Teething issues. |
| 02:31 | < MyCatVerbs> | Somebody left something in the spec that they shouldn't have. It happens. |
| 02:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...still, how does something like source routing, which has been known to be an issue for god knows how many years, get left in like that? |
| 02:41 | | * ToxicFrog flails |
| 02:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | read behaves very oddly if you break into a signal handler halfway through it. |
| 02:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | In particular, if that signal handler also reads from the tty... |
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| 02:57 | <@McMartin> | MCV: You want nfrotz! |
| 02:57 | <@McMartin> | Another find McMh4x. |
| 02:58 | <@McMartin> | s/find/fine |
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| 04:44 | | * ToxicFrog makes a totally awesome configuration screen |
| 04:49 | < MyCatVerbs> | MyCatVerbs: nfrotz... did you write that, too? =D |
| 04:49 | < MyCatVerbs> | Er, McMartin... oh right, no wonder, he's already gone. |
| 04:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | You know, it's probably for the best I didn't get my hands on a list of ANSI terminal control codes before now. |
| 04:56 | | * MyCatVerbs nods dumbly. |
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| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | aughwtf |
| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | MSYS grep doesn't have color-coding support. |
| 05:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, it's 2.4.2 |
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