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| 05:48 | < Derakon> | Right. C++ rand() creates a random int from 0 to INT_MAX, not a random double from 0 to 1. |
| 05:50 | < Derakon> | I was trying to pull element 16108 from a vector of length 1. |
| 06:02 | < Derakon> | Er, name an example? |
| 06:02 | < Derakon> | Er, wrong channel. |
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| 15:40 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | C++'s rand() usually calls the system rand function, which is often only 0..SHORT_MAX |
| 15:41 | < MyCatVerbs> | Vornicus-Latens: defined constant, RAND_MAX. |
| 15:41 | | * AnnoDomini raises an eyebrow. |
| 15:41 | < MyCatVerbs> | Vornicus-Latens: on Win32 w/Cygwin and MinGW, that is apparrently ((2<<32)-1). |
| 15:42 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | ...that's twice UINT_MAX |
| 15:43 | | * MyCatVerbs bops Vornicus. |
| 15:43 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | irb(main):001:0> 2<<32 #=> 8589934592 |
| 15:43 | < MyCatVerbs> | Actually, my bad, it's ((2<<31)-1). |
| 15:43 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | :) |
| 15:44 | < MyCatVerbs> | Oh, feck, you're right. 1<<31. |
| 15:44 | < MyCatVerbs> | Anyway. rand() usually sucks anyway. |
| 15:46 | < AnnoDomini> | Then implement the Mersenne Twister. You can just steal it off the wikipedia, if you like. :P |
| 15:46 | < MyCatVerbs> | Check your operating system for any of the following: /dev/srandom, /dev/random, arc4random or drand48. |
| 15:47 | < AnnoDomini> | Hmm... Need a word. The horizontal pieces in the ladder. |
| 15:47 | < MyCatVerbs> | AnnoDomini: mmmmmhowaboutno. Unlike my operating system's kernel, my userland programs don't have access to, for example, disk interrupt and keystroke timings in order to seed the entropy pool. |
| 15:47 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | rungs |
| 15:48 | < AnnoDomini> | Thanks. |
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| 16:37 | < MyCatVerbs> | ...the more I use C, the more I wanna switch to Haskell. :( |
| 16:41 | < MyCatVerbs> | ...fuckdammit. *stabs own code* |
| 16:42 | < MyCatVerbs> | Oh and, uh... *waves a megaphone over his head* ...attention all GDB developers: I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU ALL! |
| 16:46 | < ToxicFrog> | If you want to switch to Haskell, why not do so? |
| 16:53 | < MyCatVerbs> | ToxicFrog: 'tis a bit late now. Besides, I don't really know Haskell. |
| 16:53 | < gnolam> | MyCatVerbs: Err, on MinGW RAND_MAX is 1 << 16 - 1. |
| 16:54 | < ToxicFrog> | You could always use Lua ¬¬ |
| 16:55 | < MyCatVerbs> | gnolam: last time I checked it was (1<<32)-1 in whatever compiler Dev-C++ uses, and I'm fairly certain that that is MinGW. |
| 16:55 | < MyCatVerbs> | I could be totally balls-up wrong and thinking of, say, DJGPP instead, though. >_> |
| 16:56 | <@Vornicus> | Java's rng is horrid. |
| 16:56 | <@Vornicus> | You can tell it to give you a long, but it uses a 48-bit key. |
| 16:56 | < gnolam> | Dev-C++ uses MinGW. Which has, and has always had, a RAND_MAX of 0x7FFF. |
| 16:56 | <@Vornicus> | so you can only ever get one in 65,536 of the longs available. |
| 16:57 | < MyCatVerbs> | Vornicus: are you sure about that? 48-bit keys ~= 256 x 10**18 |
| 16:57 | <@Vornicus> | Right |
| 16:57 | <@Vornicus> | but I'm asking for a 64 bit number. |
| 16:58 | < MyCatVerbs> | Ahhh, I see. |
| 16:58 | < MyCatVerbs> | I thought you were asking for a 32-bit number, right. |
| 16:58 | <@Vornicus> | also, 48 bit keys are about 256E12. |
| 16:58 | < MyCatVerbs> | Vornicus: whoopsy, my mistake. |
| 16:59 | <@Vornicus> | (64 bit is 16E18 |
| 17:01 | < gnolam> | MyCatVerbs: yep, it was DJGPP's RAND_MAX that was 0x7fffffff. |
| 17:21 | < MyCatVerbs> | So anyway. The faculty library here is like my own personaly little Mecca. |
| 17:22 | < MyCatVerbs> | Just yesterday, I found a book on list processing, where all the code examples inside were written in ALGOL (and you can still totally see the straightforward translation into C - just replace "begin" and "end" with curly braces, heh). |
| 17:23 | < MyCatVerbs> | The book itself is twenty years older than I am. |
| 17:23 | < MyCatVerbs> | The last time somebody checked it out of the library (before me, that is) was two years before I was born. |
| 17:25 | <@Vornicus> | Wow, algol. |
| 17:25 | <@Vornicus> | That's a language I have /never actually seen used/ |
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| 17:29 | < MyCatVerbs> | Vornicus: nor me, until yesterday. |
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| 17:34 | < MyCatVerbs> | It had a pretty pleasing syntax, aesthetically speaking. Not overly verbose. The way it was used in that book was like a very small subset of the features directly implemented in LISP |
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| 17:36 | < gnolam> | Well, I know my dad preferred it to Fortran back in the day... |
| 17:36 | < gnolam> | (We're talking punch card era here) |
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| 18:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hah! Victory over the lab machines! |
| 18:26 | | * ToxicFrog now has a build system that will first build Lua, then build his program as a blcgen'd binary |
| 18:27 | < gnolam> | blcgen? |
| 18:28 | < MyCatVerbs> | gnolam: thingummy. |
| 18:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | A program that takes Lua code and generates a C file that, when compiled and linked against liblua, produces a binary with the same behaviour. |
| 18:28 | < MyCatVerbs> | gnolam: like how the original QBASIC and all versions of VB up to I think VB6 worked. |
| 18:29 | < MyCatVerbs> | gnolam: generates source for a C program which has the Lua interpreter and the relevant Lua program both embedded in it. |
| 18:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | (it actually does this by storing the Lua code in a static array, then writing C code that does argv/return value translation and calls it with luaL_loadbuffer() and lua_call()) |
| 18:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways. Lua is not standard on the lab machines, so in order to hand in assignments written in Lua, the package must contain a Lua source tree and a Makefile that will build it. |
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| 22:47 | <@McMartin> | I7 4K41 is now out for Mac and Win32, it seems. |
| 22:47 | <@McMartin> | And WSIF actually works under it, too, unlike the last build. Hooray |
| 22:49 | | * ToxicFrog needs to finish catgirls.i7 sometime |
| 22:49 | <@Vornicus> | "catgirls.i7"? |
| 22:49 | <@Vornicus> | Making an IF for Neco now? |
| 22:50 | <@McMartin> | I think this was the one with the kitten turbines. |
| 22:51 | <@Vornicus> | awh |
| 22:51 | <@McMartin> | CURRENT RATING: 9.97 |
| 22:51 | <@McMartin> | Hmm, it seems one of the kittens is turning into a cat. |
| 22:53 | <@Mahal> | Kittens do this. |
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| 23:53 | | * ToxicFrog refreshes his memory on C function pointer syntax |
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