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| 02:15 | < Shades_Corvid> | Where's the Peaches? |
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| 02:42 | < mraichelson> | o hai! |
| 02:42 | < Shades_Corvid> | Do you have the Peaches? |
| 02:43 | < mraichelson> | big fuzzy ones. |
| 02:55 | < mraichelson> | Either of you tried using any of the Brickshop/Brickstock/bricksomething apps for sorting out batch buys off bricklink? |
| 02:56 | < mraichelson> | folks were talking about them the other night but i forget who exactly. :\ |
| 02:56 | < mraichelson> | s/either/any |
| 02:56 | < Shades_Corvid> | I have not but everyone seems to be quiet at the moment |
| 03:00 | < FlakManiak> | Do you think it's unreasonable for a mech to have a sword with a total length of twice its height? My god, this sword would be giant. (16L propeller blade, don'tchaknow. The Ninjago part.) |
| 03:00 | < FlakManiak> | (And yeah the mech is huge to have a sword with that blade be only twice its height.) |
| 03:00 | < Shades_Corvid> | Yes, which is why it has potential to be awesome...or completely silly. |
| 03:01 | < FlakManiak> | I think this blade might just be too big. |
| 03:01 | < FlakManiak> | Also I'd be concerned about getting the mech to even hold it properly. |
| 03:01 | < FlakManiak> | I might need an unreasonably long handle. |
| 03:01 | < Shades_Corvid> | well then |
| 03:02 | < FlakManiak> | (I'm pretty sure I'd need a two-handed grip for the weight, if nothing else, and I'd definitely need it for the pose.) |
| 03:02 | < mraichelson> | it never stopped anyone in a final fantasy or warhammer game, it shouldnāt stop you! |
| 03:02 | < FlakManiak> | Maybe I'll just use the 10M blades. |
| 03:02 | < FlakManiak> | I mean that's still a perfectly big sword. |
| 03:03 | < FlakManiak> | Also, is there a good part with a bar or axle hole n the middle of it? As in, a part I could pass a bar through that can be the guard of a sword. |
| 03:04 | < FlakManiak> | Maybe I need to have the handle be System and not Technic. Then I can just use a Travis brick as the core of the guard. |
| 03:05 | < Soren> | Which piece is this? |
| 03:06 | < FlakManiak> | The big blade is this one: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=98135 |
| 03:07 | < FlakManiak> | The smaller one is this: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=98137 |
| 03:07 | < Soren> | Ah. |
| 03:07 | < Soren> | Yeah, those are ridiculous. |
| 03:07 | < FlakManiak> | The smaller one is the naginata blade for my blue dragons, to give a sense of scale. |
| 03:08 | < FlakManiak> | Very big on normal-sized frames. |
| 03:08 | < Soren> | Thereās another prop blade that I like, just snagged a bunch of them. |
| 03:08 | < FlakManiak> | And big on huge frames. |
| 03:08 | < FlakManiak> | But I had a flash of madness and thought of using the larger propeller blade. I hadn't realized how big it was. |
| 03:08 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=99012 |
| 03:09 | < Soren> | That might be more your speed. |
| 03:09 | < FlakManiak> | I want a two-handed sword for this mech, sort of, but I'm not sure if I can do that reasonably. I wonder if there's enough arm articulation to have the hands meet. |
| 03:09 | < FlakManiak> | Ah, that one. A nice part, but not quite swordlike enough for my purposes. |
| 03:09 | < Soren> | Fair enough. I got them for sensor vanes, so. |
| 03:12 | < Soren> | From an aesthetic perspective, Iāve tried to keep weapons fairly understated. So I would encourage you to go with the smallest option. |
| 03:13 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. Gonna need two more dragon swords for the expansion of my first company. |
| 03:13 | < FlakManiak> | For most of my frames, I'm fine with small weapons. But this one has to be excessive. |
| 03:14 | < FlakManiak> | Okay, twice the frame's height is clearly absurd. |
| 03:14 | < FlakManiak> | I'll go with the 10L propeller I guess. |
| 03:14 | < Soren> | That seems wise. |
| 03:14 | < FlakManiak> | Originally I thought it would dual wield them bare, but given the new hand design I need a bulkier handle and, let's face it, a bigger sword. |
| 03:21 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. Maybe my one-offs will become a series of five like I thought. I've designed the third and am well on my way to the fourth and fifth. |
| 03:34 | < mraichelson> | Soren: any advice on reasonable substitutes for chub torso fronts that are available in green? |
| 03:35 | < Soren> | Yes. |
| 03:35 | < mraichelson> | thereās these guys, but without shipping international i canāt find anyone with more than one at a time. :) |
| 03:35 | < mraichelson> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=44675 |
| 03:35 | < Soren> | cheese slopes and a tile will do the trick. |
| 03:36 | | * mraichelson scribbles furious notes |
| 03:36 | < Soren> | I should note, anywhere in Germany will be cheaply and efficiently shipped. |
| 03:37 | < mraichelson> | eenteresting |
| 03:38 | < Soren> | the rest of Western Europe, it varies, but is usually good. |
| 03:38 | < FlakManiak> | Is this part not okay? http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=30602 |
| 03:38 | < mraichelson> | i never think to try international since i donāt know what to look for with shipping. |
| 03:38 | < mraichelson> | FlakManiak: yes, but thereās only 1 |
| 03:38 | < mraichelson> | :) |
| 03:38 | < mraichelson> | and iād need 5. |
| 03:38 | < Soren> | I havenāt made any orders from Eastern Europe, but you can ask around. |
| 03:39 | < Soren> | Yeah, that thing is super-rare in green. |
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| 03:39 | < mraichelson> | thanks colloquy |
| 03:39 | < FlakManiak> | Ah, right, you need them in green. |
| 03:40 | < mraichelson> | one guy with 5 in green. $5.77 each. :) |
| 03:40 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=30603 These are an option as well. |
| 03:41 | < mraichelson> | ah, nice, yes. and reasonably available. |
| 03:41 | < mraichelson> | i think the ones that are sort of curved but have studs on one side come in green too. |
| 03:42 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=47457 Yup. |
| 03:42 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=41855 Both of them, in fact. |
| 04:47 | < mraichelson> | ugh, tomorrow: figuring out how to shop by wishlist on bricklink. |
| 04:47 | | * mraichelson tips his cap |
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| 06:41 | | * CalaveraJoe waves |
| 06:49 | < Soren> | Hey. |
| 06:49 | < CalaveraJoe> | Semester is finally over! I can theoretically get to fiddling with Lego! |
| 06:49 | < CalaveraJoe> | Assuming my nearly three-year old is distracted or asleep |
| 06:49 | < Soren> | Yay! |
| 06:50 | < Soren> | Weāre getting furniture on Thursday, so Iām in a similar position. |
| 06:50 | < Soren> | Iāll be able to unpack and start building my ass off. |
| 06:50 | < CalaveraJoe> | I found some great tapered bits from some set that I'm dying to build a fleet around |
| 06:50 | < CalaveraJoe> | Like, big bits, one is 4 wide at the back, two at the front, and 16 long |
| 06:51 | < Soren> | hmmm. |
| 06:51 | < CalaveraJoe> | I'd try to find it, but BL is maintenancing |
| 06:53 | < Soren> | np. |
| 06:53 | < CalaveraJoe> | I'm sure there's some very clever term for it, too |
| 06:54 | < CalaveraJoe> | I'm also completely brain farting on the set / line its from |
| 06:54 | < Soren> | ās fine. |
| 06:54 | < Soren> | I bet you itās under āwedgeā |
| 06:55 | < CalaveraJoe> | In other news, how the hell did I miss this set? http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/5934_Dino_Explorer |
| 06:56 | < Soren> | Itās a bit old and fairly crappy. |
| 06:56 | < Soren> | Some of those parts are useful, but the treads are awful. |
| 06:58 | < CalaveraJoe> | Ahh, that's the sets they're from. Lego Atlantis |
| 07:01 | < CalaveraJoe> | Wedge it is, hehe http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=45301 |
| 07:02 | < CalaveraJoe> | And it's these sets http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=8076-1 and http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=8058-1 |
| 07:02 | < CalaveraJoe> | I'm pondering keeping the decals on, since they're a nice visual flair that could tie the whole fleet together nicely |
| 07:02 | < CalaveraJoe> | http://www.bricklink.com/TL/2363.jpg?1 |
| 07:03 | < Soren> | Ah, yes, Iāve got a few of those. |
| 07:03 | < Soren> | Never found much use for them, but if they work for you, dive in. |
| 07:05 | < CalaveraJoe> | I'm thinking of using it as the main hull of a ship (which it sorta has to be, due to the size) |
| 07:05 | < Soren> | mm, yeah. |
| 07:06 | < CalaveraJoe> | With some of these http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=30407 as nacelles |
| 07:07 | < CalaveraJoe> | Also, http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=47455 for cannons |
| 07:08 | < CalaveraJoe> | Assuming, of course, that I can find them |
| 07:09 | < Soren> | Shouldnāt be hard. I have a bunch from a few years ago. |
| 07:09 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=MagicCityBricks&itemID=41164087 |
| 07:09 | < Soren> | And there you go. |
| 07:09 | < CalaveraJoe> | I meant finding them in my pile of random technic bits, more so than finding them for sale, hehe |
| 07:09 | < Soren> | Just ordered from them, youāll get it quick and easy. |
| 07:09 | < Soren> | ah, yeah. |
| 07:09 | < Soren> | In that case youāre in the arms of a God I donāt beleive in, so. |
| 07:09 | < CalaveraJoe> | Yeah, I just got a shipment from them, heeh |
| 07:09 | < Soren> | Bit tricky. |
| 07:10 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=85970 A few of these would be good to go alongside those long wedges. |
| 07:10 | < CalaveraJoe> | Yeah, gotta see what I have floating around |
| 07:11 | < CalaveraJoe> | I should have at least one (from the shark) |
| 07:13 | < Soren> | Man, the sticker sheet for that crab is shit hot. |
| 07:13 | < CalaveraJoe> | Yeah |
| 07:13 | < CalaveraJoe> | The wedges look pretty slick with them on there |
| 07:13 | < Soren> | I bet. |
| 07:14 | < CalaveraJoe> | Since I have both sets, I've got a good lot of thematically similar bits, which is where the idea came from |
| 07:19 | < Soren> | Yeah. |
| 07:19 | < Soren> | Iām just thinking about how nice they would look peeking out through gaps in the armor of an alien spaceship. |
| 07:20 | < CalaveraJoe> | Hopefully I'll have something in the brick soon that does just that |
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| 07:23 | < Soren> | Hello. |
| 07:23 | < CalaveraJoe> | hello |
| 07:23 | < locas> | oh whaaaat |
| 07:23 | < locas> | people |
| 07:23 | < locas> | Soren! |
| 07:23 | < locas> | !! |
| 07:23 | < CalaveraJoe> | It happens |
| 07:24 | < Soren> | Yeah, periodically, humans. |
| 07:25 | < locas> | how have you been, I'm sorry I'm so shit at staying in touch |
| 07:25 | < locas> | my gmail is sort of relegated to NEVER LOOK AT status |
| 07:25 | < locas> | as well as my phone |
| 07:25 | | * locas is emma |
| 07:25 | < locas> | congrats on the new kickstarter |
| 07:25 | < locas> | your ships are sweet as always |
| 07:25 | < Soren> | I figured. |
| 07:25 | < Soren> | Thanks. |
| 07:25 | < locas> | yeah I figured you figured but |
| 07:25 | | * locas shrugs |
| 07:25 | < Soren> | IT hasnāt paid for quite as much as Iād hoped, but it did pay quite well. |
| 07:26 | < locas> | so it goes |
| 07:27 | < Soren> | I got to run a demo for the Humble Bundle office last week. |
| 07:27 | < CalaveraJoe> | Nice |
| 07:27 | < Soren> | That brings my ratio of games played to shit talked up into the tenth-percentile range! |
| 07:27 | < CalaveraJoe> | *snicker* I should mail a few of these up to you Soren to see what you do with them http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=55828c01 |
| 07:28 | < locas> | Soren, the curse of the mf0 player |
| 07:29 | < Soren> | Oh man, that would be jerksome indeed. |
| 07:29 | < locas> | that little thing lights up? |
| 07:29 | < CalaveraJoe> | They showed up in PaB walls a while back, on a whim I bought like a dozen of them |
| 07:29 | < locas> | in my day if you wanted a brick to light up, it had to be 8 inches long and shaped like an angular dildo |
| 07:29 | < CalaveraJoe> | Yeah, they aren't that little though |
| 07:29 | < Soren> | You guys know what happens when people send me weird shit. I either never, ever use it, or i find a good use for it and the price jumps. |
| 07:29 | < CalaveraJoe> | Its probably 5 inches long or so |
| 07:30 | < CalaveraJoe> | Excellent, I should sent you two, hold onto the other ten to profit when the price jumps |
| 07:30 | < Soren> | hah. |
| 07:30 | < CalaveraJoe> | 14.5 studs long |
| 07:30 | < Soren> | Nah, you should hang on to it for your own (ab)use/ |
| 07:30 | < CalaveraJoe> | I had originally planned to make them into stations |
| 07:30 | < CalaveraJoe> | Which I may still do |
| 07:30 | < Soren> | I have more electrical Lego than i can adequately use as it is. |
| 07:31 | < CalaveraJoe> | Set vertically, they make preposterous radio towers, imo |
| 07:32 | < locas> | does ced still come on here :o I saw he posted on the forum |
| 07:33 | < CalaveraJoe> | Any idea what the hell the nozzle things on the back of this are called https://www.flickr.com/photos/c0d3monk33/14174737783/ ? |
| 07:35 | < Soren> | Cedās been around a fair bit. |
| 07:35 | < Soren> | Theyāre a technic bit. IIRC theyāre clutch extenders. |
| 07:35 | < Soren> | Letās see. |
| 07:40 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=32187 |
| 07:40 | < Soren> | Yep, there you go. |
| 07:40 | < CalaveraJoe> | Thankee kindly |
| 07:40 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=6539 These are also handy to have around. |
| 07:40 | < CalaveraJoe> | Though a buck and change a pop, hehe |
| 07:41 | < Soren> | yeeeeeeah itās a bit of a problem. |
| 07:41 | < Soren> | Not bad in red? |
| 07:42 | < CalaveraJoe> | Oh man, I'd forgotten about these https://www.flickr.com/photos/wintermute2600/7225163982/ |
| 07:42 | < Soren> | Andrew does good shit. |
| 07:43 | < CalaveraJoe> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/wintermute2600/13574567673/ |
| 07:43 | < locas> | those are classic |
| 07:43 | < CalaveraJoe> | fffffff |
| 07:43 | < CalaveraJoe> | I quit |
| 07:44 | < Soren> | heh. |
| 07:46 | < CalaveraJoe> | Man, I know it would be hugely expensive, but imagine how awesome a whole game of Mf0 at this scale would be? https://www.flickr.com/photos/wintermute2600/12232065406/ |
| 07:46 | < locas> | I forgot my flikr login so I can't see what all the builders I was stalking have built lately :| |
| 07:46 | < locas> | I love those grabby claws |
| 07:47 | < locas> | the master arms seem strangely placed, I guess maybe they're not master arms |
| 07:47 | < Soren> | You should be able to get back into your Flickr account pretty easily... |
| 07:47 | < locas> | let me try |
| 07:52 | < locas> | got as far as sms confirmation |
| 07:52 | < locas> | bleh |
| 07:52 | < locas> | I guess I could use my partner's google voice, I'd have to go find him |
| 07:54 | < FlakManiak> | I keep telling myself I'll make a proper dragon. Maybe I will, but for now I'm settling for just creeping more in that direction and making my frames more and more draconic. |
| 07:55 | < CalaveraJoe> | hehe |
| 07:58 | < locas> | a dragon you say |
| 07:58 | < locas> | http://rebrickable.com/sets/3724-1/lego-dragon-sculptures-2001 :A |
| 08:01 | < locas> | I tried to use my own google voice for sms confirmation but yahoo will not send it it seems |
| 08:01 | < locas> | it just says "please enter a different number" |
| 08:02 | < locas> | I didn't need you anyway, flikr |
| 08:02 | < locas> | you only ever wronged me |
| 08:04 | < FlakManiak> | Maybe I'll make a proper four-legged dragon (not even a dragon mech particularly), and fluffwise certainly just a dragon. |
| 08:05 | < FlakManiak> | In unrelated news, I've had the long-term ambition to build mechs at different scales, and if my size creep continues at this pace, I will do! |
| 08:05 | < FlakManiak> | (Though the Chubs I built recently were a break from that.) |
| 08:06 | < FlakManiak> | Speaking of which, I should build a company of very standard Chubs, I think. |
| 08:08 | < locas> | always fun |
| 08:09 | < CalaveraJoe> | Woowoo! Turns out I have 11 of the gun things, not just 1 |
| 08:11 | < CalaveraJoe> | No clue what set all but one of them came from, buuuut whatever |
| 08:12 | < CalaveraJoe> | A-ha! |
| 08:12 | < CalaveraJoe> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=8970-1 |
| 08:12 | < CalaveraJoe> | The gun part in question: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=47455 |
| 08:12 | < FlakManiak> | I wish Lego would bring back Exo-Force. |
| 08:13 | < CalaveraJoe> | Hrm, I wonder where those big ol dishes have gotten to |
| 08:14 | < CalaveraJoe> | Now though, I think it's time to crash |
| 08:14 | < CalaveraJoe> | Take it easy folks |
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| 08:17 | < locas> | so lego has 1 stud width balljoints now |
| 08:17 | < locas> | are we cool if we complain about this reality |
| 08:19 | < FlakManiak> | As in, complain that things are too easy? |
| 08:19 | < locas> | yes |
| 08:19 | < locas> | I want to be a tap hipster |
| 08:19 | < Soren> | Hah. |
| 08:20 | < Soren> | Well, Iāve been at this longer than either of you, and Iām not complaining about SHIT. |
| 08:20 | < Soren> | Theyāre awesome. |
| 08:20 | < locas> | heh |
| 08:20 | < locas> | what are they called on bricklink, do you know? |
| 08:21 | < Soren> | Let me see. I just ordered a bunch. |
| 08:21 | < locas> | ah I got it I think, "Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Ball Small and Ball Receptacle Small |
| 08:21 | < locas> | " ? |
| 08:21 | < locas> | I guess they don't come in 1x1 |
| 08:21 | < locas> | still |
| 08:21 | < locas> | excellent |
| 08:21 | < Soren> | yeah. |
| 08:22 | < Soren> | Iāve been loading up on both socket versions. |
| 08:22 | < locas> | the big ones too you mean? |
| 08:22 | < Soren> | Not bothering with the ball plates for now. |
| 08:22 | < locas> | man I gotta clean my work area |
| 08:22 | < locas> | and all the other areas |
| 08:22 | < Soren> | You and me both. |
| 08:23 | < FlakManiak> | I don't care about the new ball joints. Being only on plates means they don't fit with my designs really, and even so, they just don't look better. They're fine and people love them for good reason. But I don't need them. Clip + tap style connections are more than enough for me. |
| 08:23 | < Soren> | As soon as i have shelving and a desk, Iām going to go batshit in here. |
| 08:23 | < Soren> | All the cleaning will happen. |
| 08:23 | < locas> | my lego table is covered in dirty dishes, and dirt from a basil plant |
| 08:23 | < locas> | and no shelves, just bins everywhere |
| 08:23 | < locas> | still :P |
| 08:23 | < Soren> | Iām probably only going to use them on larger stuff. |
| 08:23 | < FlakManiak> | Oh, the one exception is that now I can make a proper hook hand for my pirate captain using a towball hook. |
| 08:23 | < Soren> | true. |
| 08:24 | < locas> | pirate captain? |
| 08:24 | < Soren> | Also, man, basil. I need to get some basil. |
| 08:24 | < locas> | mine is pretty rough |
| 08:24 | < locas> | we started a garden this year |
| 08:24 | < locas> | super exciting |
| 08:24 | < locas> | hopefully replanting this sucker outside will save it |
| 08:24 | < locas> | it survived the winter, but it's just |
| 08:24 | < locas> | ...kinda limp |
| 08:25 | < Soren> | Yeah. Bit of fertilizer wouldnāt hurt. |
| 08:25 | < Soren> | Just a spoonful. |
| 08:25 | < locas> | we did a raised bed so our soil is just vermiculite, peat moss, and compost |
| 08:25 | < locas> | but the soil this basil in is like some cheap potting mix |
| 08:26 | < Soren> | Ah, yeah, youāre probably going to want to replace that, then. |
| 08:26 | < Soren> | Whereās a jar of powdered lunar regolith when you need it. |
| 08:27 | < locas> | in the future |
| 08:53 | < Soren> | Well, if and when you get your basil on, I wish you the best of luck. |
| 08:54 | < Soren> | Thereās nothing like using basil leaves in place of spinach on a pizza. |
| 08:55 | < FlakManiak> | Only question is how I interface Chub structure with a towball receptacle plate. I guess an entirely custom arm would look really cool. Maybe that's the solution. |
| 08:55 | < Soren> | Hmm. Yeah, canāt hurt. |
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| 12:36 | < Ced23Ric> | Heya! |
| 12:36 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren, you around? |
| 12:37 | < Soren> | Partially. |
| 12:37 | < Ced23Ric> | It's late. |
| 12:37 | < Soren> | Not sleepy, not very awake. |
| 12:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Another insomnia streaked night? |
| 12:37 | < Soren> | I exist in a limbo of I Was Sick And Slept Too Much. |
| 12:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, that. |
| 12:37 | < Ced23Ric> | That#s a shitty limbo to be in. |
| 12:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Maybe I can entertain you with a story about executive incompetence at work. |
| 12:38 | < Ced23Ric> | So, I'm working in a federal ministry here. |
| 12:38 | < Ced23Ric> | Got a call from the Communication Staff team, they're working on a powerpoint presentation and have some technical issues. |
| 12:38 | < Ced23Ric> | I go down, and they are stuck at "How does this USB stick work?" |
| 12:38 | < Soren> | This should be good. |
| 12:39 | < Soren> | I mean, right now Iām amusing myself with updates to Starsector mods I like. |
| 12:39 | < Ced23Ric> | So I pull the USB stick out which was inserted in the network slot. |
| 12:39 | < Soren> | But the more sparks thrown, the better. |
| 12:39 | < Ced23Ric> | And plug it into the USB slot. |
| 12:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Tadah, suddenly USB storage. |
| 12:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Now, they made the presentation in PPT2010, and the laptop they plugged it into was PPT2003. But has a converter. |
| 12:40 | < Ced23Ric> | So they are flabberghasted at the technomagic that allows me to run the presentation just fine. |
| 12:40 | < Ced23Ric> | At this point I am thinking that I'm free to go, but they want me to run through all pages. |
| 12:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Launch the presentation, click through, everything works. There is a few black pages. |
| 12:41 | < Ced23Ric> | "Well, that is not how that should look." |
| 12:41 | < Ced23Ric> | I agree. I suggest editting that. |
| 12:41 | < Ced23Ric> | "I guess we need to tackle that! We only have time until the 2nd of July." |
| 12:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Now I am starting to get the feeling that these neanderthals are thoroughly out of their depth. |
| 12:42 | < Ced23Ric> | Exit the presentation, and scroll through the sheets, and the head of CS stops me. |
| 12:42 | < Ced23Ric> | "What's with those sheets?" - "They have been deactivated." |
| 12:42 | < Ced23Ric> | I click on one of them, and it is literally riddled with annotations, crossed out elements and so on. |
| 12:42 | < Ced23Ric> | "We can't show that." |
| 12:42 | < Ced23Ric> | "You ... won't. It is deactivated." |
| 12:43 | < Soren> | Oh, dear. |
| 12:43 | < Ced23Ric> | "Oh, okay. But if we launch that, it will still show up?" |
| 12:43 | < Ced23Ric> | "No ... only in edit mode. Not in presentation mode." |
| 12:43 | < Ced23Ric> | She looks at the sheet a little longer, and it is text over text. |
| 12:43 | < Ced23Ric> | Like, two lines of text in the same spot. |
| 12:44 | < Ced23Ric> | Her comment: "I wouldn't do it like that." |
| 12:44 | < Ced23Ric> | The intelligence of her design insight blows my mind, and I agree, jovially. "No, neither would I." |
| 12:44 | < Ced23Ric> | She goes on, looking at a different sheet, from an older presentation, not pertaining to the topic. Clearly, this was copy and pasted together. |
| 12:45 | < Ced23Ric> | "Well, we can't talk about our topic and then have pages from different topics in there. It would not be right." |
| 12:45 | < Ced23Ric> | In my head, she had been promoted to Captain, and attained the last name "Obvious". |
| 12:45 | < Soren> | At what point does anyone notice that this isnāt your job? |
| 12:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Not once. |
| 12:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Which was the best part. |
| 12:46 | < Ced23Ric> | Until I got up and said: "So ... it looks like you have to work on this file." I get deer eyes. Light, headlight freeze stares. |
| 12:46 | < Ced23Ric> | "If you have any question regarding building a presentation, please contact the application support." |
| 12:46 | < Ced23Ric> | "Oh. So, not you?" |
| 12:47 | < Ced23Ric> | "No, I was just here to plug in your USB stick into the USB slot." |
| 12:47 | < Ced23Ric> | "Well, thank you. You helped us a great deal." |
| 12:47 | < Ced23Ric> | I leave and take my well deserved smoke break. |
| 12:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Hey, Soren. |
| 12:48 | < Ced23Ric> | If that 3D printing works out ... |
| 12:48 | < Ced23Ric> | ... are there any speciality bricks you'd want? |
| 12:48 | < Soren> | Um. |
| 12:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Small numbers. |
| 12:48 | < Ced23Ric> | I was thinking of a 2x2 plate with studs on both sides. |
| 12:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Stuff like that. |
| 12:49 | < locas> | but that's CHEATING |
| 12:49 | < Soren> | It depends. I could imagine this getting into the we-need-to-pay realm very fast, if for no other reason than material costs. |
| 12:49 | < Ced23Ric> | It's 3D printing. |
| 12:49 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll scope that out. |
| 12:49 | < Soren> | Yes, but this is *computer-assisted* cheating. |
| 12:49 | < Soren> | That makes it extra filthy. |
| 12:49 | < Ced23Ric> | Which is why I am asking. Demand, supply, resources ... |
| 12:50 | < Ced23Ric> | It's certainly above brick cutting. |
| 12:50 | < Ced23Ric> | Although that's delicious at times, too. |
| 12:50 | < Soren> | Yeah, I just need to know what kind of resources to allocate to it. |
| 12:50 | < Ced23Ric> | For now, imagination. |
| 12:50 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll find out the printer's accuracy today. |
| 12:50 | < Soren> | I am a big fan of this piece: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=4081b with the plate hacked off. |
| 12:51 | < Ced23Ric> | Ha, yeah. Just the ring. |
| 12:51 | < locas> | are there printers with a high enough resolution to make cheatypieces? |
| 12:51 | < locas> | or is this untread territory |
| 12:51 | < Ced23Ric> | locas: I'm sending those to the Humboldt University of Technology, Berlin. |
| 12:51 | < locas> | that sounds very technical, but will it blend? |
| 12:52 | < Soren> | Printing one of these: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=52 in copper would be hilarious. |
| 12:52 | < Ced23Ric> | They bought a 3D printer, realized that they had nothing to print, bought a 3D scanner, and started scanning bullshit for shiggles. |
| 12:52 | < Ced23Ric> | Ha! |
| 12:52 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll ask about that. |
| 12:52 | < Ced23Ric> | And, yes, they can print copper. |
| 12:52 | < Soren> | I know, you mentioned ;) |
| 12:52 | < Ced23Ric> | Lego has a precision of 10 micron. |
| 12:52 | < Soren> | Yep. |
| 12:52 | < Ced23Ric> | Gotta know their printer's precision. |
| 12:53 | < Ced23Ric> | That't what it hinges on. |
| 12:53 | < Soren> | I had to do dimension tests for stickers - or at least, look them up. |
| 12:53 | < Ced23Ric> | From what I know, they do not have a dinky home printer. ;) |
| 12:53 | < Soren> | Although I did actually go to calipers to do the eye sticker. |
| 12:53 | < Ced23Ric> | I wish I had some more cool stickers. |
| 12:53 | < Ced23Ric> | But I feel horrible shelling out 7 bucks for a sheet of Exoforce. |
| 12:54 | < Soren> | Yeah, fuck that. |
| 12:54 | < locas> | I've been using ZOIDS stickers :P |
| 12:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Do they blend? |
| 12:54 | < locas> | only cause I keep finding sheets of them in my basement |
| 12:54 | < locas> | yeah they sorta blend |
| 12:54 | < Soren> | As soon as things settle down here I am going to address that issue with the quickness. |
| 12:54 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=ossieandwessie Also, incidentally, this is the best name for a store. |
| 12:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren: Are you ... submiting high quality decals for purchase? :O |
| 12:54 | < Soren> | āI would very much like to make some, yes. |
| 12:55 | < Ced23Ric> | We have too much; make lego not war; Maintained by ossieandwessie (131) |
| 12:55 | < Ced23Ric> | I laughed. |
| 12:55 | < Soren> | Itās just a question of having the stability to shop the job around to printers, investigate diecutting, etc. |
| 12:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Wanna hear the historical background? |
| 12:55 | < Soren> | Yes, please. |
| 12:55 | < Ced23Ric> | The store's sitting on the former inner-German border. |
| 12:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Ossi and Wessi are nicknames for Eastern and Western German citizens. |
| 12:56 | < Soren> | That, i knew. |
| 12:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Sachsen-Anhalt ("Saxony-Anhalt") is ... middle/middle of Germany. |
| 12:56 | < Soren> | But the location didnāt occur to me. |
| 12:57 | < Ced23Ric> | http://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/images/pix580_pGHI_961d%20copy.jpg |
| 12:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Sachsen-Anhalt is the slab that has "Magdeburg" as it's capital. |
| 12:58 | < Soren> | Yeah. What Google knows, i also know. |
| 12:58 | < locas> | Karl-Marx-Stadt :O |
| 12:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. That's what it was used to be called. |
| 12:59 | < Ced23Ric> | They renamed it now. |
| 12:59 | < locas> | bastards |
| 12:59 | < Ced23Ric> | It's "Chemnitz" now. |
| 12:59 | < locas> | "Yeah. What Google knows, i also know." |
| 12:59 | < locas> | but I had not heard of either name |
| 12:59 | < Ced23Ric> | But many people from there still call it Karl-Marx-Stadt. |
| 12:59 | < locas> | it's a much better name :P |
| 13:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Especially since it |
| 13:00 | < Ced23Ric> | * it#s still in their passports and personal IDs. |
| 13:00 | < Ced23Ric> | And on birth certificates. |
| 13:00 | < Ced23Ric> | On renewed documents, it's "Chemnitz (Karl-Marx-Stadt)". |
| 13:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, there's a lego joke about Karl-Marx-Stadt. |
| 13:02 | < Ced23Ric> | I just remembered. |
| 13:02 | < Ced23Ric> | So, you know how prefab houses are made from concrete plates, right? |
| 13:02 | < locas> | I did not |
| 13:03 | < Soren> | Yes. Iāve seen what happens when one of them falls over. |
| 13:03 | < Ced23Ric> | The GDR had tons and tons of prefab appartment complexes, to house all the workers. |
| 13:03 | < Ced23Ric> | So the joke goes: "Karl-Marx-Stadt is the Legoland of the East. Not even in Denmark you can find so many plates stacked on top of each other." |
| 13:03 | < Soren> | And theyāre some of the ugliest buildings crapped out by a mid-sized industrial economy ;). |
| 13:04 | < Soren> | Not that the Japanese donāt handily win, with less excuse. |
| 13:05 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.mdr.de/damals/plattenbauten_wohnen110_v-standardBig_zc-3ad1f7a1.jpg?v ersion=49293 |
| 13:05 | < Ced23Ric> | It's ugly as sin. |
| 13:05 | < Soren> | Yup. |
| 13:05 | < Soren> | Not quite North Korean state monument ugly, but not for lack of trying. |
| 13:06 | < Ced23Ric> | https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3377/3498703002_1669086963_b.jpg |
| 13:06 | < Ced23Ric> | For hilarity: I live on the 16th floor of the green one. |
| 13:08 | < locas> | I like alternating colored plates with bley ones |
| 13:08 | < locas> | very classy technique |
| 13:08 | < Soren> | You have to remember, after a year and change in Se Asia, my reaction to concrete slabs is āat least theyāre cleanā. |
| 13:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Hey, I have a concierge. |
| 13:09 | < Soren> | My personal standard of cleanliness is still climbing back up to where most people in the West set it. |
| 13:09 | < Ced23Ric> | And a weekly cleaning team, every two weeks a wet wipe top to bottom. |
| 13:10 | < locas> | I'm imagining a lone bellboy cleaning this whole building with those little wet napkins you get from chicken wing places |
| 13:10 | < Ced23Ric> | We have trash chutes, locked-away recycling bins, bike and wheelchair storage, parcel service ... |
| 13:10 | < Ced23Ric> | locas: Nah. They come with a small army. |
| 13:10 | < Ced23Ric> | They get both towers, 18 and 21 levels, done in half a day. |
| 13:10 | < locas> | very efficient |
| 13:11 | < Ced23Ric> | (It's in Germany.) |
| 13:11 | < locas> | (yes I know) |
| 13:11 | < Ced23Ric> | And the company we're renting from gives out discount cards for local zoo, cinemas, car rental, movers, etc. |
| 13:11 | < Soren> | theyāre pretty terrifyingly efficient here. Although weāre only on the second floor and do most things ourselves. |
| 13:11 | < Ced23Ric> | Also, we get discounted deals on internet, TV and telephone. |
| 13:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Because ... big company. Much leverage. |
| 13:12 | < Soren> | But you call maintenance and bam, never longer then fifteen minutes. |
| 13:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, same. |
| 13:12 | < Ced23Ric> | We have an onsite guy for that, a 24h emergency number, and they deal with everything. |
| 13:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Wasp nests included. |
| 13:12 | < Soren> | Pretty sure theyāve got some testicles in a jar somewhere, and if everything goes well, once a year, the guy gets to take them out, try them on for fifteen minutes, and put them back. |
| 13:13 | < Soren> | If thereās a complaint, they just send him a photo. |
| 13:14 | < Ced23Ric> | Are you implying he's a submissive, whipped (literally) subhuman homunculus? |
| 13:14 | < locas> | it depends on whether he consented to the testicle jar |
| 13:14 | < Ced23Ric> | Look at that sentence for a bit. |
| 13:15 | | * locas looks |
| 13:15 | < Soren> | Given the amount of monstrous shit Iāve had to put up with in other apartments, it would be a betrayal not to engage in that sort of hideous abuse of power. |
| 13:15 | < Ced23Ric> | Be the change you want to see in others, or something, Soren. |
| 13:15 | < Soren> | Itās one of the few benefits of renting from a large, evil holding company; they will hurt people for you so you can get on with your life. |
| 13:16 | < Soren> | But every time i live like that, the nice men in the white coats tell me they have to give me a shot. |
| 13:16 | < locas> | heh |
| 13:16 | < Ced23Ric> | They will just hurt people in general, and it doesn't have to (but can) be you. |
| 13:16 | < Soren> | Well, yes. |
| 13:17 | < Ced23Ric> | Who's locas? |
| 13:17 | < Ced23Ric> | Where does he/she come from? |
| 13:17 | < locas> | >_> |
| 13:17 | < locas> | place |
| 13:17 | < Ced23Ric> | Where do they come from. :D |
| 13:17 | < Soren> | But the delight of it is that instead of being exclusively focused on me, as usual, itās sometimes aimed at other giant faceless things that are just slightly smaller. |
| 13:17 | < Ced23Ric> | I have been taught about the correct use of gender-neutral pronouns. |
| 13:17 | < Soren> | And everybody wins when faceless evil things hurt each other instead of us. |
| 13:17 | < locas> | Ced23Ric, that's cool, because I prefer them! |
| 13:18 | < locas> | I mean, I prefer they/their |
| 13:18 | < locas> | haha that's confusing! |
| 13:18 | < Ced23Ric> | What if they aren't evil, just clumsy? |
| 13:18 | < Ced23Ric> | You ... do? |
| 13:18 | < Ced23Ric> | I mean, fair enough. |
| 13:18 | < locas> | I do, though I don't hate she/her either |
| 13:18 | < Ced23Ric> | But you're talking to a guy who tries to address people online by their real names if provided. |
| 13:18 | < Ced23Ric> | Not big on ambiguity here. |
| 13:18 | < locas> | Soren, yeah I mean, that's true, until you realize the faceless evil things are composed from the gooey corpses of individual humans |
| 13:19 | < Soren> | Yeah. |
| 13:19 | < Soren> | Iām in one of my cynical hermit phases, though. |
| 13:19 | < locas> | fair enough |
| 13:19 | < Soren> | Where I donāt care what has to bleed to keep the world away from me. |
| 13:20 | < locas> | can't give all of the fucks all the time |
| 13:20 | < Soren> | Sometimes, havenāt got half a fuck to pass the time. |
| 13:20 | | * locas snaps from the back of the coffee shop |
| 13:21 | < Ced23Ric> | No, really. |
| 13:21 | < locas> | I've got about one third fuck |
| 13:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Are you from the forums, 4chains, via the website? |
| 13:21 | < locas> | really what? |
| 13:21 | < locas> | oh |
| 13:21 | < Ced23Ric> | See, we barely get traffic in here. |
| 13:22 | < locas> | well my name is emma |
| 13:22 | < locas> | and I'm |
| 13:22 | < locas> | OLD SCHOOL |
| 13:22 | < Ced23Ric> | So I am somewhat curious. |
| 13:22 | < Ced23Ric> | AFNY. |
| 13:22 | < locas> | :D |
| 13:22 | < Ced23Ric> | GOOD LORD. |
| 13:22 | < Ced23Ric> | I MISSED YOU. |
| 13:22 | < locas> | haha |
| 13:22 | < Ced23Ric> | ASK SOREN. |
| 13:22 | < locas> | you left first dude |
| 13:22 | < Ced23Ric> | I BASICALLY SAID IT DAILY. |
| 13:22 | < Ced23Ric> | Yes. |
| 13:22 | < Ced23Ric> | Sorry. |
| 13:22 | < Ced23Ric> | But. |
| 13:22 | < locas> | it's cool |
| 13:22 | < Ced23Ric> | I missed you still. |
| 13:22 | < locas> | I missed you too |
| 13:22 | < Ced23Ric> | Motors and butts. |
| 13:22 | < locas> | butts, motors |
| 13:22 | < locas> | soren did a really cool thing with motors |
| 13:22 | < locas> | in one of his ships |
| 13:23 | < Ced23Ric> | I keep posting your FlickR stuff on the 4chains. |
| 13:23 | < locas> | two of them, bottom to bottom, with plates on both ends |
| 13:23 | < locas> | excellent snotting |
| 13:23 | < locas> | my flikr sadly is pretty much up to date |
| 13:23 | < locas> | nothing new |
| 13:23 | < Ced23Ric> | So, let me get this straight. |
| 13:23 | < locas> | except that red ship got a much better nose |
| 13:23 | < Ced23Ric> | "straight", haha. |
| 13:23 | < Soren> | Iāve been using that trick a lot, since foreverish. |
| 13:23 | < Ced23Ric> | I remember you identifying as "Kevin". |
| 13:24 | < Soren> | You can get it up to 2x2, with four in a pattern. |
| 13:24 | < locas> | yeah see what happened there is I was using os x |
| 13:24 | < locas> | an old install |
| 13:24 | < locas> | and had not changed my account name in the os |
| 13:24 | < locas> | and for SOME REASON colloquy was like |
| 13:24 | < locas> | let's just take that |
| 13:24 | < locas> | even though I had pretty much stopped using that name |
| 13:24 | < locas> | irl |
| 13:24 | < locas> | and I just rolled with it |
| 13:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Okay. |
| 13:24 | < locas> | because explaining to you/others was just not gonna be easy for me at that time |
| 13:24 | < locas> | but now I pretty much give no fucks (well, one third fuck, as I said) |
| 13:25 | < Ced23Ric> | So, you ARE Emma. |
| 13:25 | < Ced23Ric> | And you do identify as female? |
| 13:25 | < locas> | mostly |
| 13:25 | < locas> | effectively I guess |
| 13:25 | < Ced23Ric> | My fucks about who does what where how with who in the what are nonexistent. Non of my gravy, really. |
| 13:26 | < Ced23Ric> | I just like to know who I am talking to and roll with what they identify as. |
| 13:26 | < locas> | I truly do prefer gender neutral pronouns but pretty much everyone in my life uses she/her because that's way easier to explain |
| 13:26 | < Ced23Ric> | Are you previously male, now female (post-op), always been female, or what's the deal there? |
| 13:26 | < locas> | haha |
| 13:26 | < locas> | uh |
| 13:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Cut me off anytime. |
| 13:27 | < locas> | well I don't think genitals define gender for one thing |
| 13:27 | < locas> | maybe that goes without saying |
| 13:27 | < locas> | I guess it doesn't though |
| 13:27 | < locas> | the term you're looking for is like |
| 13:27 | < Soren> | Ced, let me help you with that: http://www.lowes.com/Tools/Hand-Tools/Chisels-Pry-Bars/Crowbars-Pry-Bars/_/N-1z1 1pb9/pl#! |
| 13:27 | < locas> | hahaha |
| 13:28 | < locas> | "designated male at birth" |
| 13:28 | < Ced23Ric> | I think there's mechanical gender, spiritual gender and ... unified gender. At least that's the way it makes sense to me. |
| 13:28 | < Ced23Ric> | Penis present? Mechanical male. |
| 13:28 | < locas> | I disagree strongly, but I do see what you're saying |
| 13:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 13:29 | < Ced23Ric> | I know I might regret this, but I remember you as a good person and levelheaded, at that. So ... |
| 13:29 | < Ced23Ric> | ... where is the disagreement? |
| 13:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Also, Soren, the Kobalt 36 looks just about right. |
| 13:30 | < locas> | eh, trans people shouldn't have to claim "male" status in any regard simply because of their genitals |
| 13:30 | < locas> | that's the disagreement |
| 13:31 | < locas> | binary identified trans women are women, and to a great extent their bodies are women's bodies |
| 13:31 | < locas> | I'm not sure if you're familiar with hormone replacement therapy |
| 13:31 | < Soren> | Yeahā¦ I feel like, at best, thatās something your doctor needs to know, outside a relationship. |
| 13:31 | < locas> | ^ |
| 13:31 | < Soren> | Maybe an EMT. |
| 13:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Ah! Well, there's probably my fault in not elaborating on the three terms above. |
| 13:31 | < Soren> | I donāt really think itās my business unless I know someone REEEEEEALLY well. |
| 13:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Mechanical is the set of the sum for unassisted reproduction you got at birth |
| 13:32 | < Ced23Ric> | Spiritual is what you feel and think and act and such. |
| 13:32 | < Soren> | Or, you know, total accident/voluntary disclosure/whathaveyou. |
| 13:32 | < Ced23Ric> | Unified is the sum of both. |
| 13:32 | < Soren> | In which case, I let the person bring it up as they see fit. |
| 13:32 | < locas> | yeah, so it's just a semantic disagreement then. For instance I much prefer "designated male at birth" over "biologically male" to describe the same thing. |
| 13:32 | < Ced23Ric> | So, some mechanical male spiritual female would be transsexual either/or and that's it for me. |
| 13:32 | < Ced23Ric> | No need to go further there. |
| 13:32 | < locas> | because one promotes the identity (what you would call spiritual gender) where the other promotes your mechanical |
| 13:33 | < locas> | I do think it's important not to mentally categorize transgender people as "third gender" |
| 13:33 | < locas> | unless they identify that way |
| 13:33 | < Ced23Ric> | In the end, I'd just need to know whether to call you "guy/dude" or "lass/dudette". :D |
| 13:33 | < locas> | dudette is pretty radical |
| 13:34 | < Soren> | Well, I just lost aperfectly good corvette to head-on assault gun fire, so I guess Iām talking to you two. |
| 13:34 | < locas> | I thought you meant a car, and I was like |
| 13:34 | < Soren> | (āPiloting? We donāt need no stikniā piloting!ā) |
| 13:34 | < locas> | soren is playing a game with CARS? |
| 13:34 | < locas> | but then I got it. |
| 13:34 | < Soren> | stinkinā* |
| 13:34 | < Soren> | Yeah, no. |
| 13:35 | < Soren> | https://www.dropbox.com/s/mjxzgkz95fqi6zd/Robberfly.png I just got this thing trashed. |
| 13:35 | < locas> | heh |
| 13:35 | < locas> | fangbanger |
| 13:36 | < Soren> | 83 supply to repair it! 83! |
| 13:36 | < Soren> | I mean, whatever, I have devmode on. |
| 13:36 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh my fuck. |
| 13:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Just got word back from the university. |
| 13:37 | < Ced23Ric> | 500 micron. |
| 13:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Fuck that. |
| 13:37 | < locas> | it will not blend. |
| 13:37 | < Ced23Ric> | At that rate, I just carve the shit out of a brick of plastic myself. |
| 13:37 | < Soren> | Pretty much. |
| 13:37 | < Ced23Ric> | All my sadness. |
| 13:39 | < Soren> | You could probably gnaw it, actually, at that precision. |
| 13:39 | < Soren> | ā¦or, you could blow it up to fifty times the sizeā¦ |
| 13:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Emma. |
| 13:42 | < locas> | bloop |
| 13:42 | < Ced23Ric> | You need to brick stuff again. |
| 13:42 | < locas> | I know dude |
| 13:42 | < locas> | I gotta clean my room |
| 13:42 | < locas> | it's so bad |
| 13:42 | < Ced23Ric> | Make some ships or something. |
| 13:42 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren: Assault Guns WRECK unshielded targets. |
| 13:42 | < Ced23Ric> | Did you know? |
| 13:42 | < Soren> | I did. |
| 13:42 | < Soren> | Iāve used them to do that a lot. |
| 13:42 | < Ced23Ric> | Why did you ask for it, then? |
| 13:43 | < Soren> | But I put a shield on this thing, and I just was not using it. |
| 13:43 | < Soren> | Because you were busy being a nosy bastard. |
| 13:43 | < Ced23Ric> | So you asked for it. |
| 13:43 | < Soren> | I totally did. |
| 13:43 | < Soren> | I wore that skirt on that corner. |
| 13:43 | < Ced23Ric> | As if my presence should impact your rationale as a pilot. |
| 13:43 | < Ced23Ric> | Yes, yes you did. |
| 13:43 | < Soren> | NOOOOOOO PILOT SHAMING |
| 13:43 | < Soren> | I FLEW WITH MY THRUSTERS WOBBLING ALL SEXY-LIKE |
| 13:44 | < Ced23Ric> | YOU MADE THOSE DECISCIONS WITH THE STICK IN YOUR HAND, NOW YOU GOTTA LIVE WITH IT. |
| 13:44 | < Ced23Ric> | YOU CAN'T EXPECT SOMEONE TO LOOK AT YOUR BARE ARMOUR AND NOT TAKE A SHOT. |
| 13:44 | < Ced23Ric> | A little modesty would have done you good. |
| 13:45 | < Ced23Ric> | I died laughing last night. Someone uploaded a doujin to /b/, good old brother/sister incest, but had rewritten all the dialogue. |
| 13:45 | < Ced23Ric> | America, the brother, walks in on Canada, the sister, prospecting for oil on the couch. |
| 13:46 | < Ced23Ric> | He realizes how grown up of a souverign nation Canada has become and chides her for digging into her natural resources so openly. |
| 13:46 | < Soren> | Iām too sober to read this. |
| 13:46 | < Ced23Ric> | Canada responds with telling America about her dreams of being annexed by a foreign nation, and America revolts, yelling at her to talk to China. |
| 13:47 | < Soren> | I will brb, catās yowling at ghosts in the walls. |
| 13:47 | < Ced23Ric> | Canada admits that China is an idiot and she was thinking about someone closer, someone she can trust. |
| 13:47 | < Ced23Ric> | America leaves her behind, citing his duties on the international floor. |
| 13:48 | < Ced23Ric> | The next day, Britain and France leave for a vacation, leaving America and Canada by themselves for a few days. |
| 13:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Canada digs for oil again, again in the living room, only this time, America offers to assist in a joint venture. |
| 13:49 | < Ced23Ric> | With America's help, Canada successfully breaks into an oil deposit and promptly pumps it to the surface, making a mess of the couch. |
| 13:49 | < Ced23Ric> | America is torn, wishing to respect Canada's souvereign borders, but also tempted to invade her. |
| 13:49 | < Ced23Ric> | In the end, America rips himself away from the defenseless Canada and leaves, to blow off steam invading Iran. |
| 13:50 | < Ced23Ric> | Canada is left to herself and dreams about America marching across her borders, conquering her lands. |
| 13:50 | < Ced23Ric> | I laughed so hard. |
| 13:51 | < Ced23Ric> | In the end, America was Canada's first invasion and they spent the next days with military maneuver practice, over and over again stationing America's soldiers deep inside Canadian territory. |
| 13:51 | < Ced23Ric> | Canada complimented America on his big pipeline, too. |
| 13:52 | < locas> | -_- |
| 13:53 | < locas> | so what have you been up to |
| 13:53 | < locas> | plugging in people's usb sticks aside |
| 13:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, let's summarize two years. |
| 13:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Still working at the ministry. |
| 13:55 | < locas> | that I more or less figured |
| 13:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Got fat(ter). |
| 13:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Got older. |
| 13:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 13:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Picked up a decent camera, which I am slowly learning how to use. |
| 13:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Not much, really. |
| 13:56 | < Ced23Ric> | My life has been boring ever since I returned from Canada. |
| 13:56 | < locas> | there are worse things than boring |
| 13:57 | < locas> | mine was a little more eventful but not much |
| 13:57 | < locas> | still unemployed |
| 13:57 | < locas> | went to california for a while |
| 13:58 | < locas> | came back, brought back my partner |
| 13:58 | < locas> | uh |
| 13:58 | < locas> | I play guitar now |
| 13:58 | < locas> | that's about it |
| 13:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Your partner. |
| 13:59 | < locas> | I met him on irc v.v |
| 13:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Is that intentionally ambiguous or are they trans, too? |
| 13:59 | < locas> | nah he's a cis dude |
| 13:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Sorry for being that nosy. |
| 13:59 | < locas> | I dunno I just like partner better than boyfriend |
| 13:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Ha. |
| 13:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Do you subscribe to that entire die cis scum stuff? |
| 13:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Because that really freaked me out. |
| 13:59 | < locas> | I'm not precisely sure what you mean |
| 13:59 | < locas> | do I think all cis people are scum and should die? |
| 13:59 | < locas> | absolutely not lol |
| 14:00 | < locas> | I would be very lonely |
| 14:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, there was that one ... person that had literally an abstract of three lines to describe their gender, and made a "DIE CIS SCUM" video. |
| 14:00 | < locas> | I haven't seen it but I'd guess that either they were very angry or it was satire |
| 14:00 | < locas> | probably both? |
| 14:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Because they felt like cis were hating on trans for so long and hard that they had every right to hate them back. |
| 14:01 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.sezession.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Die-cis-scum.jpg |
| 14:01 | < locas> | I mean I'm aware of it as a slogan I guess |
| 14:05 | < Soren> | Well. Weāre still alive, and I suspect that if you wanted one or both of us dead, youāre competent and motivated enough to have arranged it by now. |
| 14:05 | < Ced23Ric> | So, at the end of it, you are a biological male that identifies as female, who is in a relationship with a "guy", for the simplicity of the terms. |
| 14:05 | < Ced23Ric> | That IS a lot of credit. |
| 14:05 | < locas> | I did make it clear that "designated male at birth" is much more preferable (to trans people in general, not just me) than "biologically male" |
| 14:06 | < Soren> | Yeeeeeah, Ced, you might want to be careful with that. |
| 14:06 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 14:06 | < locas> | and I mean |
| 14:06 | < Ced23Ric> | Thanks for being patient there. |
| 14:06 | < Ced23Ric> | I guess I have a hard time wrapping my head around the difference. |
| 14:07 | < Ced23Ric> | For example, there's "Biomann" and "Biofrau" in German. |
| 14:07 | < locas> | well biologically male implies that the trans person has a male body |
| 14:07 | < locas> | but it really is not that simple |
| 14:07 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 14:07 | < Soren> | I did kind of suspect there was a linguistic issue. But yeah, call people as they prefer to be called. |
| 14:08 | < locas> | it's definitely a linguistic issue |
| 14:08 | < locas> | but a somewhat important one, at least in english |
| 14:08 | < Ced23Ric> | I guess I also have a hard time with it, because while I understand the difference, I do not see the difference in function. |
| 14:08 | < locas> | biological male discounts all the parts of a trans woman's body that AREN'T "male" |
| 14:09 | < locas> | I'll ask again, are you familiar with hormone replacement therapy? |
| 14:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Because, even if I would slap three tits on my chest, shave, remove my body hair, let my hair grow, do HRT ... |
| 14:09 | < Ced23Ric> | ... I'd still have a penis and sperm. |
| 14:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Unless that's cut and tied. |
| 14:09 | < Soren> | Itās a social distinction, which makes it pretty functional when it comes to social constructs like gender. |
| 14:09 | < Ced23Ric> | I guess. |
| 14:10 | < locas> | even sex is socially constructed, in that all categories defined by language are socially constructed |
| 14:10 | < locas> | I mean that's kind of deep end queer theory but the end of it is |
| 14:10 | < Ced23Ric> | Call me cold, but for me there's little mingling of the mechanical and spiritual observations in their respective corners. |
| 14:10 | < locas> | terms like biomale are used to discriminate against trans people |
| 14:10 | < locas> | keep them out of bathrooms, etc |
| 14:10 | < locas> | so it's not nice to use those terms |
| 14:10 | < locas> | when better terms (designated x at birth) exist |
| 14:11 | < Ced23Ric> | If person A puts their penis in person B and person B gets pregnant, that's a bioman and a biowoman, from a mechnical observation. They can have all kinds of other body properties that I am not looking at. |
| 14:11 | < Ced23Ric> | Not because of disrespect, mind you. |
| 14:11 | < Ced23Ric> | Just because it does not make a difference to the function. |
| 14:11 | < locas> | there is just a lot more to gender than the groin bits |
| 14:11 | < Ced23Ric> | I agree! |
| 14:11 | < locas> | well, it really does make a difference to the function as well |
| 14:11 | < locas> | but we don't need to get into that |
| 14:11 | < Ced23Ric> | How so? It seems pretty binary to me. |
| 14:12 | < Ced23Ric> | You either can or cannot become/make someone pregnant. |
| 14:12 | < locas> | but what does that have to do with gender |
| 14:12 | < locas> | or sex, even |
| 14:12 | < locas> | I mean, sterile cis people exist... |
| 14:12 | < Ced23Ric> | It's a two piece puzzle. |
| 14:12 | < Ced23Ric> | I knew this was gonna come up. :D |
| 14:12 | < locas> | in day to day life |
| 14:12 | < Soren> | Only two pieces? |
| 14:12 | < locas> | ability to procreate has NOTHING to do with the concepts of gender and sex |
| 14:13 | < locas> | Soren, I know right, so boring ?_? |
| 14:13 | < Soren> | Yeah. |
| 14:13 | < Ced23Ric> | It does, for our species, though. |
| 14:13 | < Soren> | I like to think the menu on my friday nights is a little more complex. |
| 14:13 | < locas> | not in day to day life. For a family looking to have kids, sure |
| 14:13 | < Soren> | weeeeeeell, even from a strictly biological perspectiveā¦ no! |
| 14:13 | < locas> | Ced23Ric, but my ability to procreate has functionally nothing to do with who I date, what I get paid at my job, where I ALLOWED to work, where I am allowed to shit |
| 14:13 | < Soren> | Intersex people exist! |
| 14:13 | < locas> | also ^ |
| 14:14 | < Soren> | Some of them are even friendly and outreachy. |
| 14:14 | < Ced23Ric> | @job/work/shit: True. |
| 14:14 | < Ced23Ric> | Not looking at that. Not part of "function". |
| 14:14 | < Ced23Ric> | I guess that is why you disagree with me. |
| 14:14 | < Soren> | Thatās a contentious statement. |
| 14:14 | < Soren> | Define āfunctionā in this context. |
| 14:15 | < Soren> | I mean, Julie and I are never going to have children. Not because we canāt, but because we donāt want to while weāre both fertile. |
| 14:15 | < locas> | yeah exactly, preferentially defining "male" based on reproduction is such an arbitrary and useless application of the category |
| 14:15 | < locas> | it applies to such a small subset of people during such a small subset of their experiences |
| 14:16 | < Soren> | If we adopt later, great, but at no point in our relationship will our genitals (which can perform the bilogical functions of unassisited reproduction just fine) actually come into play in determining whether or not weāre parents. |
| 14:16 | < Ced23Ric> | I am so far removed from the implications and second-tier effects, that what I am looking at is just a tiny bit. |
| 14:16 | < Soren> | Beyond that, what we do for shits and giggles isnāt a matter of public interest. |
| 14:16 | < locas> | a tiny ARBITRARILY SELECTED bit, though |
| 14:16 | < Soren> | (Or maybe it is, but weāre not sharing.) |
| 14:16 | < locas> | heh |
| 14:16 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, I look at the mathematics, if you will. |
| 14:17 | < Soren> | So, account for XXY and XYY individuals. |
| 14:17 | < Ced23Ric> | Well those are confusing. |
| 14:17 | < locas> | hahaha |
| 14:17 | < locas> | hahahaha |
| 14:17 | < Soren> | Just to start. there are even more outrƩ chormosomal combinations. |
| 14:17 | < Soren> | PRECISELY. |
| 14:18 | < Ced23Ric> | ... can I call the Emperor of Mankind into session? |
| 14:18 | < Soren> | For a lot of intersex individuals, it really is a free choice. |
| 14:18 | < Soren> | And itās confusing! |
| 14:18 | < locas> | well, it WOULD be free choice |
| 14:18 | < Soren> | Point. |
| 14:18 | < locas> | if somehow their genitals weren't mutilated without their consent minutes after their birth |
| 14:18 | < Soren> | Internally, itās a free choice. |
| 14:18 | < Soren> | Emotionally. |
| 14:18 | < locas> | yeah |
| 14:18 | < locas> | absolutely |
| 14:19 | < Soren> | But yes, itās frequently not actually a choice. |
| 14:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Steak is a choice. |
| 14:19 | < Ced23Ric> | A choice my mom made for dinner after my shift is over. |
| 14:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Which is in 11 minutes. |
| 14:19 | < Ced23Ric> | And: I did regret a bit asking for more, Emma. But I still feel like I learnt something. |
| 14:20 | < locas> | I've had more awkward conversations on the topic (but not many) |
| 14:20 | < locas> | lol |
| 14:20 | < Soren> | Yeah, but itās not steak OR sausage. Itās an n-dimensional meatmap on which various savory points can be plotted. |
| 14:20 | < Ced23Ric> | I do feel that I disagree with some aspects, but then again, it's really of no consequence. It doesn't affect me beyond the pronoun I use to address you. |
| 14:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren. |
| 14:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Steak OR sausage. |
| 14:20 | < Ced23Ric> | How is that a choice? |
| 14:20 | < Soren> | I might be a little sleep-deprived, but itās the metaphor weāve got, and Iām tucking in. |
| 14:21 | < Soren> | Well. Itās pretty limiting if youāre a vegetarian. |
| 14:21 | < locas> | ^ |
| 14:21 | < locas> | wasn't gonna mention it |
| 14:21 | < locas> | but it has some metaphorical weight in this context |
| 14:21 | < locas> | and it's true |
| 14:22 | < locas> | and I'm hungry |
| 14:22 | < locas> | shit |
| 14:23 | < Ced23Ric> | It is true and metaphorical. |
| 14:24 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll ponder this as I'll order a nice 200 gram slab of Argentinian beef in a few minutes. |
| 14:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Also, I don't think I want steaksausage. |
| 14:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Or sausagesteak. |
| 14:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Or veggiesausage. |
| 14:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Or veggiesteak. |
| 14:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Or veggiesteaksausage. |
| 14:25 | < Ced23Ric> | I'm a pretty much predominant steak kind of guy. |
| 14:25 | < Soren> | Iāve noticed. |
| 14:25 | < Ced23Ric> | Just because I tried a sausage once and nibbled on some salad doesn't make me deviate from steak. |
| 14:25 | < Ced23Ric> | But hey. I don't mind what others put on their plates and I can at least say I tried before I decided. |
| 14:26 | < Ced23Ric> | I feel like that makes me tolerant above many others. Imagine me pout a little here. |
| 14:26 | < locas> | all these sexual orientation metaphors are a little tangential :P |
| 14:26 | < Soren> | yeeeeah. |
| 14:26 | < locas> | unless this metaphor is still like |
| 14:26 | < locas> | an intersex person trying to pick a gender |
| 14:26 | < locas> | in which case bravo? |
| 14:26 | < locas> | I'm going to go get a snack |
| 14:26 | < Soren> | That seems like the thing to do. |
| 14:30 | < Ced23Ric> | I'm goign to get my steak. |
| 14:30 | < Ced23Ric> | With my mother. |
| 14:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Which makes it sound awfully unappealing now. |
| 14:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Anyway, my shift is over. |
| 14:31 | < Soren> | That is a metaphor we should not be mixing, yes. |
| 14:31 | < Ced23Ric> | It's good you are back, Emma. |
| 14:31 | < Ced23Ric> | I cannot wait to talk shop in the future. |
| 14:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Also, Soren, go to bed. |
| 14:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Or get coffee. |
| 14:31 | < Soren> | Itās the latter, and Iām on it. |
| 14:32 | < Soren> | Ground some vanilla bean with the dark roast. |
| 14:32 | < Soren> | So good. |
| 14:32 | < Soren> | It is like drinking sweet, smooth alertness. |
| 14:32 | < locas> | I'm drinking like |
| 14:33 | < locas> | well it's six green tea bags |
| 14:33 | < locas> | of varying sorts |
| 14:33 | < locas> | some decaf, most not |
| 14:33 | < locas> | I don't know how long they've been in this cup |
| 14:33 | < locas> | also, yogurt |
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| 15:39 | < mraichelson> | in case anyone hasnāt mentioned lately: the default search tool thatās built into the forum software leaves a lot to be desired. |
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| 16:19 | < Mantisking> | Hello. |
| 16:19 | < mraichelson> | hola |
| 16:21 | < Mantisking> | How's things? |
| 16:23 | < mraichelson> | sāarite here. you? |
| 16:24 | < Mantisking> | Not bad. A bit of a slow start to the morning due to computer issues, but we're up and running now. |
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| 16:55 | < locas> | mraichelson, I feel like forum searches are just notoriously bad |
| 16:56 | < mraichelson> | yeah, kinda |
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| 17:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Gentlemen. |
| 17:03 | < Ced23Ric> | And dudettes. ;) |
| 17:16 | < locas> | huh |
| 17:16 | < locas> | people are selling custom companies on the forum I see |
| 17:16 | | * locas sees $_$ |
| 17:36 | < mraichelson> | some folks selling full companies, i was just putting together color-test prototypes to see if chub kits work the way i think they do. |
| 17:51 | < locas> | I don't think I could actually part with any of my frames |
| 17:51 | < locas> | but if I raised one explicitly for slaughter >_> |
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| 18:18 | < Mantisking> | Hello. |
| 18:18 | < mraichelson> | wb |
| 18:19 | < Mantisking> | Maybe I'll stick around this time. :-) |
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| 20:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren, around? |
| 20:37 | < Soren> | Somewhat! |
| 20:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Good enough! |
| 20:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Are you a moderatr on the MFZ forums? |
| 20:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Or, other words, do you have moderative control? |
| 20:37 | < Soren> | Nope! |
| 20:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Well fuck. |
| 20:37 | < Soren> | and thatās probably for the best. |
| 20:38 | < Ced23Ric> | Can I get you to read three posts on the 4chains, then? |
| 20:40 | < Soren> | Iām sober, but sure. |
| 20:40 | < Ced23Ric> | http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/32119070/mobile-frame-zero-mf0-general-009#p32 123933 |
| 20:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Those are my posts, so it won't be too bad. |
| 20:40 | < Soren> | Okay, what am I looking at? |
| 20:40 | < Ced23Ric> | What I'd like you to do is mill it over in your head and ponder if it would be feasible or too far off. |
| 20:41 | < Ced23Ric> | An idea for an MFZ P&P |
| 20:42 | < Soren> | hrmrm. |
| 20:43 | < Soren> | I am not the game-design guy. |
| 20:43 | < Soren> | So my reaction is likely to be āYeah, those seem like numbers that produce effects of some kind, all right.ā |
| 20:43 | < Ced23Ric> | Don't care, you still have a straight head. |
| 20:43 | < Ced23Ric> | The system is already there. |
| 20:43 | < Soren> | Hmm. |
| 20:43 | < Ced23Ric> | Even won 2005 Best RPG System award. |
| 20:44 | < Ced23Ric> | Has been put through it's paces, and as I can tell from a personal experience, is fun to play. |
| 20:44 | < Ced23Ric> | The question is less about the system's validity, but more about: "That sounds like it could work in the MFZ universe." |
| 20:44 | < Soren> | There was a post on Story-games a while back about making combat horrible that I need to find. Sec. |
| 20:45 | < Soren> | http://story-games.com/forums/discussion/comment/32144#Comment_32144 There we go. |
| 20:45 | < Soren> | I think you should use that. |
| 20:46 | < Ced23Ric> | That's a glorious addition. |
| 20:46 | < Ced23Ric> | I'd tune it down, though. |
| 20:46 | < Ced23Ric> | I don't believe that randomized death is a good way to run any campaign. |
| 20:46 | < Ced23Ric> | Deserved death is a different thing. |
| 20:47 | < Ced23Ric> | Randomized battle effects, though, is glorious. |
| 20:47 | < Soren> | Fair enough. I just like the level of evil it implies on the part of the designer. |
| 20:47 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, yes. |
| 20:47 | < Ced23Ric> | He's grimdark to the nth. |
| 20:47 | < Soren> | ā¦not unlike my reaction to kill puppies for satan. |
| 20:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Ever played any Pen & Paper game? |
| 20:48 | < Soren> | Which was pretty much āOh, okay, now it makes sense why people would play these things.ā |
| 20:48 | < Soren> | Nope! |
| 20:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Ever care to? :D |
| 20:48 | < Soren> | Not terribly? |
| 20:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 20:48 | < Ced23Ric> | You do strike me as the guy that has the mental capacities for it. |
| 20:48 | < Soren> | The circumstances under which i would do it are so specific as to be nonexistent. |
| 20:48 | < Soren> | Thatās not saying a lot ;) |
| 20:48 | < Ced23Ric> | You have a basic level of empathy and expressionism. |
| 20:49 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, tell me. |
| 20:49 | < Ced23Ric> | The specifics. |
| 20:49 | < Ced23Ric> | That is. |
| 20:49 | < Ced23Ric> | Because I suddenly feel like that this should be a minor lifetime goal of mine now. |
| 20:49 | < Soren> | Dogs in the Vineyard with my wife, her mother, and some of her friends, all of them ex-Mormons. |
| 20:49 | < Ced23Ric> | Colour me confused. |
| 20:49 | < Soren> | It would be doable, just hard. |
| 20:50 | < Ced23Ric> | The first question is "Why?" |
| 20:50 | < Soren> | Because itās a game about early Mormonism in the American west. |
| 20:50 | < Ced23Ric> | That is, indeed, specific. |
| 20:50 | < Soren> | Well. Vincent is also ex-Mormon. |
| 20:50 | < Ced23Ric> | To the point where you exclude all other games. |
| 20:51 | < Ced23Ric> | Which is probably what confuses me the most. |
| 20:51 | < Soren> | So Iād basically be playing it to see how they processed his processing of a shared experience. |
| 20:51 | < Ced23Ric> | And it doesn't sound like you want to play the game, but watch the people instead. |
| 20:51 | < Ced23Ric> | The game is just a means to an end. |
| 20:52 | < Soren> | Itās more like, thatās the level of reward that would get me to put in the effort to play seriously. |
| 20:52 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 20:52 | < Ced23Ric> | Maybe you aren't the game playing type. |
| 20:52 | < Ced23Ric> | Board, social, table top games, that is. |
| 20:52 | < Soren> | I like boardgames, actually. |
| 20:52 | < Soren> | Itās a duration/complexity thing with me. |
| 20:52 | < Ced23Ric> | Where's the difference? |
| 20:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Ah. |
| 20:53 | < Ced23Ric> | The effort to sit through a session is too high, then? |
| 20:53 | < Soren> | For the level of reward it promises, yeah. |
| 20:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Makes me a little sad. |
| 20:53 | < Soren> | I find most gamers quite, quite creepy and unpleasant. |
| 20:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Ha. |
| 20:53 | < Soren> | Present company excepted. |
| 20:53 | < Ced23Ric> | That's your choice of players, then. |
| 20:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Naturally, you only play with people you like. |
| 20:54 | < Soren> | Well, itās more like, thatās the choice of players newbies get, unless theyāre lucky. |
| 20:54 | < Ced23Ric> | I mean, we had people we didn't like in our groups and removed them. |
| 20:54 | < Soren> | And at this point in my life, Iāve got a lot of other stuff competing for my attention. |
| 20:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Had a guy who was a total tool and annoying to no end, and gave him appropriate feedback. His retort: "YOU ONLY ATTACK ME BECAUSE I'M GAY." |
| 20:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Kicked. |
| 20:55 | < Soren> | But if youāre saying, am I enough of an academically-minded nebbish, then sure! |
| 20:55 | < Soren> | Itās just not something I ended up into. |
| 20:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Had a couple, both IRL cavetrolls. Smelled of unchanged beddings, he was leaving a trail of dendriff that looked like a serious coke addiction, and her hair was greasy enough to be wringed and churned into butter. |
| 20:56 | < Ced23Ric> | The sharp, mustardly smell of concentrated sweat and filth. |
| 20:56 | < Soren> | Yeah.ā |
| 20:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Kicked. |
| 20:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Like, I told them: If you want to play here, I expect you to arrive freshly showered in washed clothes, and change your beddings. |
| 20:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Never came back. |
| 20:57 | < Ced23Ric> | It was quite horrible that I needded to say that. |
| 20:58 | < Soren> | Yeah, when I was screening anime for people, we had encounters like that, but it never hit the level of being invited into my apartment. |
| 20:58 | < Soren> | just ānope, you donāt get to know where I live.ā |
| 20:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Well then. |
| 20:58 | < Ced23Ric> | So you now know you need to screen people. |
| 20:58 | < Ced23Ric> | No big revelation there, is it? |
| 20:59 | < Soren> | I have always known that, actually. |
| 20:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Okay, so ... |
| 20:59 | < Soren> | Man, this thread is good to mine for information generally. |
| 21:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Let's say you play Cluedo with Peter, Paul and Mary. |
| 21:00 | < Soren> | āRemember that "grunts" -- or even junior officers in many units -- won't have much input on "find, fix, and flank": They often get told, "go attack that" or "here, defend this" without even being told the context. GM fiat or sheer randomness is honestly a good way to depict the kind of situations they get thrown into, and even what the odds are. Forget any idea of "balance" in the wargame sense of "these two forces are worth the same amount |
| 21:00 | < Soren> | of points"ā |
| 21:00 | < Ced23Ric> | You like all three of them. |
| 21:01 | < Soren> | Just a quick note, youāre probably not going to persuade me to change an established habit of not investing time into games. |
| 21:01 | < Soren> | But. |
| 21:01 | < Soren> | Pray continue. |
| 21:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Re: GM fiat - depends on the scenario. If you play grunts, then yes, you will be suddenly kill. If you play special forces, or a routed troop behind enemy lines, those parameters change. |
| 21:01 | < Ced23Ric> | No, I am just trying to follow your thoughts. |
| 21:01 | < Ced23Ric> | You do sit down with people and play a boardgame, right? |
| 21:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Let's say that runs for an hour or two. Three at the outskirts. Reasonable enough. |
| 21:02 | < Soren> | Yeah. |
| 21:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Where's the difference to, say, the same people and you running a Pen & Paper game? |
| 21:02 | < Soren> | Time and interest. |
| 21:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Time's the same. |
| 21:02 | < Soren> | Also, keep in mind that for the pastā¦ nine months? |
| 21:03 | < Ced23Ric> | You had no time. I know. Not taling about TODAY. |
| 21:03 | < Soren> | The most board gaming Iāve done is occasionally fire up the iOS version of Small World with Julie. |
| 21:03 | < Ced23Ric> | I am just trying to understand the preferences. |
| 21:04 | < Ced23Ric> | Like, how is a session of settlers more interesting than a session of ... D20 Modern. |
| 21:04 | < Ced23Ric> | If both would run for 2 hours with the same people. |
| 21:04 | < Soren> | Iām generally less interested in playing things than i am in creating new things, or modifying existing things to suit my aesthetic preferences. |
| 21:04 | < Ced23Ric> | Wouldn't a Pen & Paper game be much more so about creating things? |
| 21:04 | < Ced23Ric> | I mean, you are creating a story. |
| 21:05 | < Soren> | Well. I also have issues with the mindset and orientation of most gamers/games? At least, as I perceive them. |
| 21:05 | < Soren> | Itās like learning Unix. |
| 21:05 | < Ced23Ric> | Or does it go back two steps, where the creation of an environment or object is more interesting than the creation of things within such environments? |
| 21:05 | < Soren> | Iām no longer young enough, lonely enough, or bored enough. |
| 21:05 | < Ced23Ric> | I think you're a little prejudiced there. |
| 21:05 | < Soren> | But I recognize the value of the thing to people who like it. |
| 21:07 | < Ced23Ric> | You seem to be generalizing while make exemptions in the same breath. |
| 21:07 | < Ced23Ric> | It is quite fascinating. |
| 21:12 | < Soren> | Youāre assuming I feel the need to justify my preferred ways to kill time. |
| 21:12 | < Ced23Ric> | I am pushing you, because I am inquisitive. |
| 21:13 | < Ced23Ric> | And, well, because I care about you and have this sense of mission to share things I perceive as enjoyable. |
| 21:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Just like you showed my Starsector. |
| 21:13 | < Soren> | Itās the same reason i donāt go to conventions or participate in the fan communities around a lot of things I like: if I donāt have the power to set limits on the discourse, it tends to go awful places. |
| 21:14 | < Ced23Ric> | Is that why I have the privilege of engaging in discourse with you? |
| 21:14 | < Soren> | Maybe! I mean, itās why I participate in the Hangar. |
| 21:14 | < Soren> | Because I can just say āthatās horseshitā and people accept that. |
| 21:15 | < Soren> | as opposed to arguing with tendentious borderline sociopaths for half an hour. |
| 21:15 | < Soren> | Which, sadly, iāve had happen. |
| 21:16 | < Soren> | Also, I find a lot of the creator-fan dynamic in these communities awful. Thereās an expectation that people will do things for free that are actually worth a decent chunk of change. |
| 21:17 | < Soren> | Which is one thing when people are giving it away, and another thing when youāre working with someone and you keep having to point out that you should get paid for professional services. |
| 21:19 | < Soren> | And part of that is that everybody finds a way to get paid for what they do, even if itās not in money. |
| 21:19 | < Soren> | In fan communities, that pay often takes the form of power over people. |
| 21:19 | < Soren> | Whcih ends precisely as well as youād expect. |
| 21:19 | < Soren> | which* |
| 21:21 | < Soren> | And since dealing with lego nerds over the last ten years has more or less burned me out on that shit permanently, even the risk of dealing with it again is an effective deterrent. |
| 21:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Gotcha. |
| 21:22 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll be back in a bit. |
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| 21:41 | < Mantisking> | Hello? |
| 21:42 | < Soren> | hey. |
| 21:42 | < Mantisking> | Hey. |
| 21:42 | < Mantisking> | Did you get the e-mail I sent yesterday? |
| 21:42 | < Soren> | Yeah. |
| 21:43 | < Soren> | Thanks again. Iāll let you know when it gets here. |
| 21:43 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. I want to be able to make good claws for this dragon's hands, but they might just turn out too big. |
| 21:44 | < Soren> | hmm. |
| 21:45 | < Soren> | as always, there is probably a good solution, an affordable solution, and a non-solution (IE, ugly bad claws). |
| 21:47 | < FlakManiak> | I want to use this part: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=87747 |
| 21:48 | < FlakManiak> | But I would need to attach them with this: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=11090 as far as I can tell, which would just be too huge. |
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| 21:49 | < Soren> | Hm. |
| 21:49 | < Soren> | Well, thatās not your only option. |
| 21:50 | < Soren> | It might be your only good-looking optionā¦ |
| 21:50 | < Soren> | But you can also use tile clips on a http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=4081b and get a more compact claw, albeit a bit tougher to attach to shit. |
| 21:51 | < FlakManiak> | This piece is cool and if it came in any other colors it might be a consideration: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=88695 |
| 21:52 | < FlakManiak> | Anyway non-claw hands are fine I think. |
| 21:52 | < FlakManiak> | I can still convey power and badassery with non-claws. |
| 22:02 | < Soren> | Yeah. |
| 22:03 | < Soren> | Also, hell yeah, magenta spikes. |
| 22:04 | < FlakManiak> | I wonder if I can even get other parts reasonably in that color. |
| 22:04 | < Soren> | Iāve got tiles and some curve slopes? |
| 22:04 | < Soren> | 1x1 cones. |
| 22:04 | < FlakManiak> | Also it's really not a nice shade of pink if you ask me. I like really light pinks, personally. |
| 22:04 | < Soren> | So, yeah, although fuck only knows if itās especially buildable for now. |
| 22:04 | < Soren> | Iām planning to find out. |
| 22:05 | < Soren> | I like it, but mostly in a letās-see-what-this-is-good-for way. |
| 22:05 | < FlakManiak> | Speaking of which, I should figure out if it's possible to get a jacket like my red and black one, but with a very light pink instead of red. Guess I'd want matching pants though. |
| 22:05 | < Soren> | Also, it looks pretty good next to bright pink. |
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| 22:09 | < FlakManiak> | Damn. There isn't a 1L-pin-with-stud, but with a 1L axle rather than the pin part? I thought there was. I can get a half-pin/half-axle as usual, but... |
| 22:09 | < Soren> | Nope, not that Iām aware. |
| 22:09 | < Buckit_> | Can you bricklink the axel one, trying to familiarize myself with things? |
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| 22:10 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=6587 |
| 22:10 | < Buckit_> | So that with a round instead of a cross? |
| 22:10 | < FlakManiak> | Yeah there's the 3L one. I could cut one of those. |
| 22:10 | < FlakManiak> | Maybe I will. |
| 22:10 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=4274 hereās the half pin |
| 22:11 | < FlakManiak> | I have the jeweller's saw back home so it shouldn't be a problem to cut it short enough, and since the axle will be in something, it won't matter that the end looks bad. |
| 22:11 | < FlakManiak> | I'll just have to trim it to be reasonably smooth and all so it will fit well. |
| 22:11 | < Buckit_> | Oh, so the cross instead of the round, derp |
| 22:11 | < Soren> | sandpaper. |
| 22:12 | < Soren> | start with 400 grit, then 800, and something fine if you want it to look decent. |
| 22:13 | < Buckit_> | Also, you can totally you one of those 2x1 bricks with the axle hole, and cut it off on the other side for proper length |
| 22:13 | < Buckit_> | You can even snap the brick down to hold it in place |
| 22:13 | < FlakManiak> | Yeah the looks of the axle end won't matter at all since it'll be in a receptacle. So I just need to trim/sand/whatever it to fit well enough. Guess I'll see if X-Actos can go through ABS! |
| 22:13 | < Soren> | They can. |
| 22:14 | < Soren> | Make sure you have the fucker anchored, though. |
| 22:14 | < Soren> | Or youāll lose skin. |
| 22:14 | < Soren> | Technic axles are tough. |
| 22:14 | < FlakManiak> | Alright I'll be careful. |
| 22:14 | < Buckit_> | What if you heat the xacto first? |
| 22:14 | < Soren> | Doesnāt matter. |
| 22:15 | < FlakManiak> | Doesn't ABS have a high melting point? Besides, I'm not interested in breathing in Lego. |
| 22:15 | < Buckit_> | Ah, yeah |
| 22:15 | < Soren> | I mean, you might burn yourself as well. |
| 22:15 | < Soren> | And yes, there are many bad things in ABS. |
| 22:15 | < Buckit_> | I just know that bic pen lids melt easy |
| 22:15 | < Soren> | plastics generally are bad to inhale when burning. |
| 22:15 | < Buckit_> | Yeah, well, I have stupid friends |
| 22:16 | < Soren> | Donāt we all. |
| 22:16 | < Soren> | Actually, I know at least one story where Iām the stupid friend. |
| 22:16 | < Buckit_> | Indeed |
| 22:16 | < Soren> | So. |
| 22:16 | < Buckit_> | Oh, about half of the stupid friend stories are mine |
| 22:17 | < Buckit_> | And the other half are my best friend. |
| 22:17 | < Buckit_> | So we tend to have most things covered |
| 22:39 | < Ced23Ric> | I am bac. |
| 22:40 | < Ced23Ric> | And back, too. |
| 22:42 | < mraichelson> | wb |
| 22:42 | < Ced23Ric> | So ... |
| 22:42 | < Ced23Ric> | ... I was wondering if we could/should start a challenge on the forums. |
| 22:42 | < mraichelson> | weasels? |
| 22:42 | < mraichelson> | oh, or not. |
| 22:42 | < Ced23Ric> | Make a frame with 60 bricks or less. |
| 22:42 | | * mraichelson sulks, weasel-less |
| 22:43 | < mraichelson> | that sounds like a lot of parts, but i havenāt counted or anything. |
| 22:44 | < Ced23Ric> | You could make a weasel frame. |
| 22:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Trust me, it is not. |
| 22:45 | < mraichelson> | with that many parts i can make 2 (equipped) smidgeons. :) |
| 22:45 | < Ced23Ric> | A Chub is 65 bricks. |
| 22:46 | < Ced23Ric> | A Superchub is 100. |
| 22:46 | < Ced23Ric> | And so on. |
| 22:47 | < Ced23Ric> | A Scrambler is about 65, too. |
| 22:47 | < Buckit_> | Well the driving force behind a lot of the innovation |
| 22:47 | < Ced23Ric> | So, the goal is not go overboard for detail, but go for style within a tightened limit. |
| 22:48 | < Ced23Ric> | I am looking for designs that are affordable and cool - like XGundam05's Convict. |
| 22:49 | < Buckit_> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/92416040@N08/13880886363/ Is under 60, and sexy |
| 22:50 | < Ced23Ric> | That'd be a good contribution. |
| 22:50 | < Ced23Ric> | Now, let's go further. |
| 22:50 | < Ced23Ric> | I'd like to get a good selection of 60 and under frames. |
| 22:50 | < Ced23Ric> | And then, create a document about them. |
| 22:51 | < Ced23Ric> | As a guide for new players, players on a budget, etc. |
| 22:51 | < mraichelson> | i dumped the minifig hands off this one. itās 33 pieces as a starting point. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nifkin/14151013023/in/photostream/ |
| 22:52 | < Ced23Ric> | And then you add weapons/systems to the dishes, eh? |
| 22:53 | < Ced23Ric> | That'd be another point - possible mounts for systems. |
| 22:53 | < mraichelson> | yeah, thereās a couple other pics in there. |
| 22:53 | < mraichelson> | one with a cannon on one side and a spotting system on the other, one with arms. |
| 22:53 | < Ced23Ric> | I am trying to create a pool of resources for new players, if you catch my drift. |
| 22:53 | | * mraichelson nods |
| 22:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Is Wordman still alive? |
| 22:54 | < FlakManiak> | ...6x3 wedge plates don't come in red. Curse the world! |
| 22:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Curses! |
| 22:56 | < FlakManiak> | This dragon was supposed to be red. Red is the perfect color. But now apparently I need to make it dark red or something, a color I already have a superframe in. |
| 22:56 | < FlakManiak> | Hell if I'm using blue or something. |
| 22:56 | < FlakManiak> | Dark green? No way. |
| 22:56 | < FlakManiak> | Green dragons are a thing, but they ain't *my* thing! |
| 22:57 | < FlakManiak> | Okay I'll figure out what to do about this later. |
| 23:00 | < Soren> | Ced: it would be fucking strange if he were not. |
| 23:02 | < Soren> | He would have to have died today. |
| 23:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Good. |
| 23:02 | < Ced23Ric> | That he is not dead, I mean. |
| 23:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Does he do the instructions for coin? |
| 23:02 | < Soren> | https://plus.google.com/u/0/108131264929529993281/posts/UAHcUecEBG5 |
| 23:02 | < Soren> | He refuses! Itās weird. |
| 23:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Do you have any insight in that process? |
| 23:02 | < Soren> | I feel uneasy about it. |
| 23:02 | < Soren> | I send pictures. |
| 23:02 | < Soren> | He magics. |
| 23:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. I figured. |
| 23:03 | < Soren> | (itās not magic, and I can do a lot of it. But heās faster.) |
| 23:03 | < Ced23Ric> | What are you saying - would you deem a "60 Bricks Or Less Frame Compendium" to have merit? |
| 23:04 | < Soren> | Yes. |
| 23:04 | < Soren> | But Iād make it 45 or less. |
| 23:04 | < Soren> | Be ruthless. |
| 23:04 | < Ced23Ric> | You're brutal. |
| 23:04 | < Ced23Ric> | Can we argue for 50? |
| 23:04 | < Soren> | If you like losing arguments. |
| 23:04 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, why not go back to Joshua's scale, then? |
| 23:05 | < Soren> | If that works for you, itās worth considering. |
| 23:05 | < Ced23Ric> | 50 bricks is about 3 bucks shipped. |
| 23:05 | < Ced23Ric> | That sounds like a good number. |
| 23:05 | < Soren> | My point is, make big changes. |
| 23:05 | < Soren> | Pinch those bricks until it hurts. |
| 23:06 | < Ced23Ric> | And I am making an argument for preserving some semblance of style. |
| 23:06 | < Ced23Ric> | 45 bricks is dinky. Too dinky and you are losing scale or style. |
| 23:06 | < Ced23Ric> | Or both. |
| 23:07 | < Soren> | a HARBL is 40 , and thatās with a gun and a beat-stick :) |
| 23:07 | < Ced23Ric> | Also, I think we are at the point where you take a different position because you like to see me squirm. |
| 23:08 | < Soren> | I love seeing you squirm. If I had more disposable income Iād hire a team of dominatrices with cameras to make you squirm just for me. |
| 23:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Not that I don't enjoy our different discourses on a removed level. |
| 23:08 | < Soren> | But thatās a hell of a tangent. |
| 23:08 | < Ced23Ric> | That'd be awkward. |
| 23:08 | < Ced23Ric> | First of all, I would not react well. |
| 23:08 | < mraichelson> | but the background of frames in the settings is āutility tool for building a liveable space for colonistsā that gets hijacked into āstrap guns and armor to itā. āharvest cropsā doesnāt take much scale or style to accomplish it properly. :) |
| 23:08 | < Soren> | Nope. |
| 23:08 | < Ced23Ric> | That's not all frames. |
| 23:09 | < Ced23Ric> | That is FC frames, and Ijad, to some extent. |
| 23:09 | < Ced23Ric> | The SU certainly has military frames. |
| 23:09 | < Soren> | No, but itās reason enough. |
| 23:09 | < mraichelson> | no, but itās an argument for why itās fewer pieces. |
| 23:09 | < Soren> | Yeah. |
| 23:09 | < Soren> | I mean, try both! |
| 23:09 | < Ced23Ric> | I feel tagteamed. ;_; |
| 23:09 | < Soren> | You may turn out to be right. |
| 23:09 | < mraichelson> | ferarris are awesome, but not all cars are ferarris. |
| 23:09 | < Soren> | But you might also learn things you wouldnāt with the lower limit. |
| 23:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Tesla Model S and X are awesome. |
| 23:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Those really make my pants tight. |
| 23:15 | < Ced23Ric> | Alright. |
| 23:15 | < Ced23Ric> | 45. |
| 23:18 | < Buckit_> | In Ceds defense, when harvesting, bigger is always better |
| 23:31 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/45bricks.png |
| 23:31 | < Ced23Ric> | I dunno. |
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| 23:47 | < Soren> | I feel like I should provide some hearty drill-sergeant shouting to encourage you, but I donāt seem to have it in me. |
| 23:47 | < Ced23Ric> | I feel like I rather build a ridic ship out of slopes. |
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