| --- Log opened Mon May 12 00:00:03 2014 |
| --- Day changed Mon May 12 2014 |
| 00:00 | < Ced23Ric> | The angle bits seat themselves right into 4 studs. |
| 00:00 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=76768 this plus a swordleaf piece is a good cheap 7p tree. |
| 00:00 | < Soren> | well, moderately cheap. It looks nice. |
| 00:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Comes in dark tan, reddish brown and dark brown. |
| 00:00 | < Ced23Ric> | No complaints here. |
| 00:00 | < Soren> | I have some others that use bulk green http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=6091 |
| 00:01 | < Soren> | Those look pretty good. |
| 00:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm, for more ... thickly leaved trees. |
| 00:01 | < Soren> | Yes. |
| 00:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Keep rolling them over each other, eh? |
| 00:01 | < Soren> | Yeah, works great. |
| 00:01 | < Ced23Ric> | ... you can still go into a technics angle element with that, too. |
| 00:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Have multiple branches go into a crown. |
| 00:02 | < Soren> | Indeed. |
| 00:02 | < Ced23Ric> | I mean, axle into open brick bottom works just fine. |
| 00:02 | < Soren> | Letās see. I made a lot of 1x1 slope pines. |
| 00:02 | < Ced23Ric> | It's not shake or flip proof, but certainly works when seated. |
| 00:02 | < Ced23Ric> | I don't want to go to bed. |
| 00:04 | < Soren> | Time to pour coffee into yourself and NEVER SLEEP |
| 00:05 | < Soren> | Iāve been getting fucking amazing sleep lately. The kind of sleep that you didnāt realize you missed after haivng slept like shit for months and years on end. |
| 00:05 | < Soren> | having* |
| 00:10 | < Ced23Ric> | I ... am already drinking coffee. |
| 00:10 | < Ced23Ric> | From this morning's brunch. |
| 00:10 | < Soren> | You need an IV drip then. |
| 00:11 | < Ced23Ric> | And I gotta get up for work in 5 hours. |
| 00:15 | < Soren> | Well. I suppose you could be boring, and go sleep. |
| 00:16 | < Ced23Ric> | You now me better than that. |
| 00:16 | < Soren> | I do. |
| 00:16 | < Ced23Ric> | I'm aiming for 3am, 2h30 nap, work, shopping, death. |
| 00:16 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/tree.png |
| 00:16 | < Ced23Ric> | There. |
| 00:16 | < Ced23Ric> | No space magic, all legal. |
| 00:18 | < Ced23Ric> | Sadly, there is only the triangle thing to branch out. |
| 00:18 | < Ced23Ric> | And it only comes in dark brown. |
| 00:19 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?itemID=110493&colorID=120 |
| 00:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Not too expensive, though. |
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| 00:28 | < Shades_Corvid> | Boo |
| 00:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Heya! |
| 00:31 | < Shades_Corvid> | What's going on everyone? |
| 00:31 | < Soren> | A decent amount. |
| 00:31 | < Soren> | Oh, hey. |
| 00:31 | < Soren> | I totally forgot to mention to anyone: ran some demo games at the Humble Bundle offices on wednesday. |
| 00:32 | < Soren> | Including one for the director of ebooks. |
| 00:32 | < Soren> | She was pleased. |
| 00:32 | < Ced23Ric> | 1.) Awesome. |
| 00:32 | < Soren> | So that might be a thing thatā shappening. |
| 00:32 | < Ced23Ric> | 2.) We are currently gardening, Corvid. |
| 00:32 | < Soren> | That is a nice tree. |
| 00:33 | < Soren> | Iāve been using frictioned axle pins to brach out from the pin holes. |
| 00:33 | < Soren> | branch* |
| 00:33 | < Soren> | The problem being, in black theyāre pricey and blue looks stupid. |
| 00:33 | < Soren> | Although not too, from the right angle. |
| 00:34 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. That's an interesting tree. I'll have to look into alternate sets of trees like that, so I can have more than just the Green Hill Zone for my terrain set. |
| 00:35 | < Shades_Corvid> | You were at the Humble Bundle offices! Very Cool! |
| 00:36 | < Shades_Corvid> | Real Gardening? |
| 00:36 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/trees.png |
| 00:36 | < Ced23Ric> | Better gardening. |
| 00:36 | < FlakManiak> | Those A Yates trees ("even more trees!") are so good. I'll need to look into making some like those. |
| 00:37 | < FlakManiak> | I need more absurdly stylized terrain. |
| 00:37 | < Ced23Ric> | (At this point, I am really just slapping shit together.) |
| 00:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Flak: My problem with his trees is ... that they are tiny. |
| 00:37 | < FlakManiak> | That they are. |
| 00:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Those are 3 metre tall beginners trees. |
| 00:37 | < FlakManiak> | But they look amazing, so I can forgive the size. |
| 00:37 | < Soren> | Hmm. Yeah, I think default Lego foliage with bars is the best way to go with this. |
| 00:37 | < Shades_Corvid> | Very cool though I like the ones I have been pirating out of LEGO sets |
| 00:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Dinky things look dinky. |
| 00:37 | < Soren> | I keep trying to do fancy things. |
| 00:38 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren: Bar and lego foliage. Just spam it. |
| 00:38 | < Soren> | Yup. |
| 00:38 | < Ced23Ric> | The 3L bar has 2L for you to stuff. |
| 00:38 | < Ced23Ric> | And if you want more, use 4L bars. |
| 00:38 | < Ced23Ric> | And shorter, use hose. |
| 00:38 | < Ced23Ric> | Green or brown. |
| 00:38 | < Shades_Corvid> | I am not talking about the mold cast trees, trees built out of bricks |
| 00:38 | < Ced23Ric> | And you can make burnt trees with that, too, useing black technics bits. |
| 00:39 | < Ced23Ric> | Corvid: Yeah, I know what you mean, but those are ... either too small (see Yates) or too blocky. |
| 00:39 | < Ced23Ric> | I really like the technics approach, because of the angles and the option to stretch things out. |
| 00:39 | < Soren> | Hmm! 3L bars are cheap in brown. |
| 00:40 | < Shades_Corvid> | HOLY SHIT, you can google my blog and get a hit! |
| 00:43 | < Shades_Corvid> | Alright, it does look blocky http://darkcloudblogs.blogspot.com/2013/09/lego-friends-animal-set-series-3-fawn s.html |
| 00:43 | < Shades_Corvid> | I have three or four of those and now have some other ones that are not as bad but haven't gotten to taken pictures of them yet. |
| 00:44 | < Shades_Corvid> | My picture taking has come a long way since that post. |
| 00:44 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, those are really cheap because no one needs 'em. |
| 00:44 | < FlakManiak> | Ced, there seem to be three different browns in your tree renders. Is that so? |
| 00:44 | < Ced23Ric> | That is so. |
| 00:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Because those parts aren't available in one brown. |
| 00:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Because, well, it's technics. |
| 00:45 | < FlakManiak> | Brown, reddish, and dark? |
| 00:45 | < Ced23Ric> | And some new colour LDD had added to it recently. |
| 00:45 | < Ced23Ric> | No guarantees, it's the official lego colour for parts list. |
| 00:45 | < FlakManiak> | I guess a mottled look would probably be pretty good, so long as it's not "everything in one color except this one part". |
| 00:45 | < FlakManiak> | I really should photograph my terrain. |
| 00:46 | < FlakManiak> | Gotta show off my trees. |
| 00:46 | < Ced23Ric> | I got some walls, some stuff, that's it. |
| 00:46 | < Ced23Ric> | I wanna go to modular walls. |
| 00:49 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. Not sure where I'll go next beyond my trees and rocks. |
| 00:49 | < FlakManiak> | Either alternate tree types (extravagant since they won't match in style, so will have to be used separately) or more foresty features. |
| 00:50 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/battlefield.png |
| 00:50 | < Ced23Ric> | Felt backdrop for the game. |
| 00:50 | < FlakManiak> | For some reason I just want natural features for my terrain. I've no desire for buildings or other such things. |
| 00:50 | < Shades_Corvid> | I am considering making ship cordors (sp?) or a ship interior field but so many LEGOs would be needed |
| 00:50 | < FlakManiak> | Oh, right, the other idea I had ages ago was stuff for frame battles in space. |
| 00:50 | < Ced23Ric> | Why? You can replace most large areas with felt. |
| 00:50 | < FlakManiak> | So I guess asteroids and some kind of large ship feature. |
| 00:51 | < Ced23Ric> | Just walls need to be made from legos. |
| 00:51 | < Shades_Corvid> | You talking to me Ced? |
| 00:51 | < Ced23Ric> | Sure. |
| 00:52 | < Shades_Corvid> | Grey Felt could work for the floor (but LEGO would get the feel better) but still be a lot of walls |
| 00:52 | < FlakManiak> | Well, yeah, the base grass doesn't have to be Lego. But I want all the things aside from the most base background color to be Lego. And as I said, I don't have a desire for unnatural terrain features. I probably won't have walls or buildings or any of that. Just beautiful natural environments, if I have my way. |
| 00:53 | < FlakManiak> | Oh you weren't addressing me Ced. |
| 00:53 | < FlakManiak> | Never mind. |
| 00:53 | < Ced23Ric> | I was, too. |
| 00:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Both of you. |
| 00:53 | < Shades_Corvid> | Well it did kind of apply to both of us |
| 00:53 | < Shades_Corvid> | and there yo ugo |
| 00:53 | < Ced23Ric> | The topics were similar. |
| 00:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Different angle, same problem. |
| 00:53 | < Shades_Corvid> | Were those walls in the pic using the...mason brick pattern lego bricks? |
| 00:53 | < Ced23Ric> | You can reduce your need for legos by producing a background that carries basic information. |
| 00:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Yes. |
| 00:54 | < Soren> | Donāt look at what those cost under normal circumstances. |
| 00:54 | < Shades_Corvid> | That is the most I have ever seen, I want some of those but I haven't seen a set carry a large scale of them yet. Bricklink? |
| 00:54 | < FlakManiak> | Also given what my terrain is currently, the blonde wood tables at my school, with just my terrain bits on them, should look great. |
| 00:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Store-bought. |
| 00:54 | < Shades_Corvid> | and Soren kind of answered my second question |
| 00:54 | < Ced23Ric> | New the owner, grabbed two bags before they went on the shelf. |
| 00:54 | < Ced23Ric> | *Knew |
| 00:55 | < Soren> | Iāve got a small bag of them in dark tan. Thatās all I want. |
| 00:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Heh. |
| 00:55 | < Soren> | Maybe some in light gray. |
| 00:55 | < FlakManiak> | Oh, yeah, I'd surmise one would have to get those from a PaB wall if one wanted them. |
| 00:55 | < FlakManiak> | Or equivalent. |
| 00:55 | < Ced23Ric> | I got like ... 70 or 80 of each. |
| 00:55 | < FlakManiak> | (Such as K2 box) |
| 00:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Some dark tan, too. |
| 00:55 | < Ced23Ric> | But not as many. Really just a handful. |
| 00:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren, for Intercept Orbit ... |
| 00:56 | < Ced23Ric> | ... we really need to come up with derelict space stations. |
| 00:56 | < Soren> | We do. |
| 00:56 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. Maybe I should make a second set of forest terrain with different trees and a different feel. Currently what I have is a bit... Tropical. And I could do with something more foresty at some point. |
| 00:56 | < FlakManiak> | Maybe my terrain is fine though. |
| 00:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Like, shattered, shredded, Dead Space 1 levels of space stations. |
| 00:56 | < FlakManiak> | I have elevent distinct terrain pieces. |
| 00:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Eleven is not that much. |
| 00:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Is that including cover? |
| 00:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Frame +1 or 2 pieces of cover spread across 60" works nicely. |
| 00:57 | < FlakManiak> | That's eleven things total, each of which is tall enough to be cover. |
| 00:57 | < Ced23Ric> | So, 16 frames, 17 or 18 bits of cover. |
| 00:57 | < FlakManiak> | What do you mean by 60"? Diameter circle? Side square? |
| 01:00 | < Ced23Ric> | 60" diameter circle, yeah. |
| 01:00 | < FlakManiak> | Anyway, I'm off for now. I'll be back later. |
| 01:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Later! |
| 01:03 | < Shades_Corvid> | Will be a bit in and out, Call of the Midwife is on |
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| 04:03 | < FlakManiak> | Okay, I'm back. |
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| 16:28 | < Mantisking> | Hello? |
| 16:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Heya Ray. |
| 16:32 | < Mantisking> | Hey, Chris. |
| 16:35 | < Ced23Ric> | What's up? :) |
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| 16:39 | < Mantisking> | Not much, just working. |
| 16:39 | < Mantisking> | You? |
| 16:42 | < Ced23Ric> | Got home from work, will prob take a nap now ... |
| 16:42 | < mraichelson> | mmm. nap. |
| 16:42 | < Mantisking> | Hey, Mike. |
| 16:43 | < mraichelson> | hola |
| 16:45 | < Mantisking> | That Ijad creation of yours is getting some attention. |
| 16:47 | < mraichelson> | o_O |
| 16:50 | < mraichelson> | it seems to have more views that i would have thought. stuck it in the reddit group the other day. |
| 16:50 | < mraichelson> | (stupid flickr redesign hiding the stats!) |
| 17:04 | < Mantisking> | Stupid Flickr redesign, period. |
| 17:06 | < Mantisking> | AFK. |
| 17:43 | < Mantisking> | Oh god, that review, so funny! |
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| 18:30 | < Mantisking> | Ooohh, people! |
| 18:31 | < Buckit_> | Hey mantis, I broke me forum account v.v |
| 18:31 | < Buckit_> | my** |
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| 18:33 | < Mantisking> | What's the problem? |
| 18:33 | < Buckit_> | I forgot my password, and asked for a reset, but haven't gotten the email. |
| 18:34 | < Mantisking> | We've had problems with the boards e-mail system. Hang on a bit. |
| 18:34 | < Buckit_> | Mkay, thank you |
| 18:37 | < Mantisking> | Check your gmail. |
| 18:53 | < Mantisking> | And there you go, posting away. |
| 18:56 | < Buckit_> | I've been interested, but I really don't have the energy for bricklink. Seeing the serious discussion of chub kits got me excited though |
| 19:00 | < Mantisking> | There are several people who do commissions as well. |
| 19:04 | < mraichelson> | sometimes people post stuff on ebay too, but donāt see anything up there right now. :\ |
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| 19:26 | < Mantisking> | Aaaand I'm back. |
| 19:33 | < Buckit_> | wb |
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| 20:22 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 20:22 | < Ced23Ric> | How do I into meaningful cover. *rubs chin* |
| 20:22 | < Ced23Ric> | I need enough to cover my (fairly large) batlefield(s). |
| 20:24 | < mraichelson> | i always end up with ācorners of ruined buildingsā |
| 20:24 | < Mantisking> | I have a small village of houses put together. |
| 20:24 | < Mantisking> | Plus a few other buildings. |
| 20:25 | < mraichelson> | i was looking at my abandoned factory again a little earlier. thinking āwhy did i use so many useful parts for this?ā |
| 20:25 | < Mantisking> | Because you wanted it to look good? |
| 20:27 | < mraichelson> | well, that, yes. |
| 20:28 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, I am somewhere at that thought. |
| 20:28 | < Ced23Ric> | I want it part efficient, 1x2 brick based, and still good looking. |
| 20:29 | < Ced23Ric> | I was also looking into Mad Max barricades. |
| 20:29 | < Ced23Ric> | http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1399892228444.png |
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| 20:35 | < mraichelson> | i kinda dig that with the skulls and flag. |
| 20:36 | < mraichelson> | i have a couple āwell need to find a use for these plates, maybe a wallā things, but thatās way more interesting. :) |
| 20:36 | < Ced23Ric> | You can click that wall into a 2x10 or something plate. |
| 20:42 | < mraichelson> | i made a few pieces a ways back that used the little hinge plates so they could pack flat or be folded to make different shapes of building wreckage. i should take newer photos of it now that i have an actual light and stuff. |
| 20:42 | < mraichelson> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/nifkin/8674544079/in/set-72157633239706078/ |
| 20:42 | < mraichelson> | that stuff |
| 20:45 | < Ced23Ric> | That works, just not very in-engine sturdy. |
| 20:45 | < Ced23Ric> | The 6x10 plate takes one of six hits. :D |
| 20:46 | < mraichelson> | i shuffled it around over time so it kind of works out to āone hit takes out one sectionā |
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| 20:50 | < TestCed> | Test! |
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| 20:50 | < FlakManiak> | I'm excited for the idea of some kind of frame shop. Should be really good for getting new players in. |
| 20:51 | < FlakManiak> | I'd almost want to sell my standard chassis there. |
| 20:51 | < FlakManiak> | Speaking of which, I should make ~3 more of my standard chassis. |
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| 20:51 | < TestCed2> | Test! |
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| 20:53 | < Ced23Ric> | I was debating on selling my overstock. |
| 20:53 | < mraichelson> | mibbit: like a boss. |
| 20:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Mibbit is pretty snazzy. |
| 20:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Ray was asking if webchats are down. |
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| 20:54 | < Ced23Ric> | I keep telling him it's his connection based on squirrel couriers. |
| 20:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Hey Ray! |
| 20:54 | < Mantisking> | Okay, I'm back. |
| 20:54 | < mraichelson> | lol |
| 20:54 | < Mantisking> | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 20:54 | < Ced23Ric> | I am unsure what to do about those trees. |
| 20:55 | < Ced23Ric> | I like them, but I am also unsure what to do there. |
| 20:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Should I build forests or use them as singular pieces? |
| 21:00 | < Mantisking> | You could put multiple trees per base so they look more like cover and less like something from a weird horror movie. |
| 21:02 | < Buckit_> | Or you could put some on top of or inside of ruined buildings? |
| 21:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Hey. |
| 21:02 | < Buckit_> | Just as flavor |
| 21:02 | < Ced23Ric> | You are being mean towards my trees. |
| 21:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Buckit: Have you seen my trees? |
| 21:02 | < Buckit_> | Nope |
| 21:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Once this lightning fast forum has loaded, I'll show you. :D |
| 21:03 | < Ced23Ric> | http://mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4654 |
| 21:03 | < Buckit_> | As someone from the Seattle area, I'm appalled to see those referenced as trees |
| 21:04 | < Ced23Ric> | *!* |
| 21:04 | < Ced23Ric> | What. |
| 21:04 | < Buckit_> | xD |
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| 21:05 | < Buckit_> | But I think mantis has the right idea, two or three shorter trees per base, and clump a base or two together |
| 21:05 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.wallpeer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/birch-wallpaper-3-1024x576.jp g |
| 21:05 | < Ced23Ric> | Birches do all kinds of crazy stuff. |
| 21:05 | < Buckit_> | Like growing straight? |
| 21:05 | < Ced23Ric> | Not exclusively. |
| 21:05 | < Buckit_> | xD |
| 21:06 | < Ced23Ric> | http://enhancemyenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Home-of-the-Chaga.jpg |
| 21:06 | < Mantisking> | Hey, Malcolm. |
| 21:06 | < Malcolm> | We tend to play 1 tree = 1 brick. So, clumps of tress are good. And they get blown apart in spectacular fashion |
| 21:06 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bio.umass.edu/biology/conn.river/plant_images/birch5.jpg |
| 21:06 | < Malcolm> | Thus: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jed_september/8651912474 |
| 21:07 | < Ced23Ric> | But those trees are tiny. :( |
| 21:07 | < Ced23Ric> | I mean, they are fine if you have a tree school. |
| 21:07 | < Buckit_> | More importantly Ced, we are talking about space trees, so who cares about my snooty Seattle tree racism |
| 21:08 | < Buckit_> | That terrain looks awesome malc |
| 21:08 | < Ced23Ric> | But with the average mature pine tree coming in between 10 and 15 metres ... |
| 21:08 | < Ced23Ric> | It does! |
| 21:08 | < Mantisking> | I'll have to assemble some tree like things tomorrow and take some pictures. |
| 21:08 | < Ced23Ric> | I think I have an idea. |
| 21:08 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll just do both. |
| 21:08 | < Buckit_> | I really wish I hadn't given my legos away as a teenager |
| 21:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Like, have some large and small trees and clump them a little. |
| 21:09 | < Ced23Ric> | We all do, friend. |
| 21:09 | < Malcolm> | I luckily kept mine for some unknown, but fortuitous, reason. |
| 21:10 | < Buckit_> | Yeah, my mom gave mine to some people at church, and I didn't think, "Oh hey, I'm totally going to want these in 10 years." |
| 21:10 | < FlakManiak> | Okay. In about a week I'll be able to photo my terrain and the rest of my builds. And then maybe think about making more builds. |
| 21:11 | < FlakManiak> | I decided that the Duplo my brother and I had should go to our very young cousin, and apparently she loved it, so that's great. The Lego I said had to stay. |
| 21:11 | < FlakManiak> | (Those Duplo trains were amazing.) |
| 21:11 | < Malcolm> | Duplo would be great for giant, but very fragile, structures |
| 21:12 | < FlakManiak> | Even when I wasn't an active Lego buyer or builder I was still fan enough to hold onto it and take it out from time to time. |
| 21:12 | < Mantisking> | You can see some of the "trees" I built in this Battle Report. http://the-mobile-frame-garage.blogspot.com/2012/12/battle-report-2-christmas-ev e-carnage.html |
| 21:14 | < Malcolm> | I've always wanted to do a game set entirely in a huge forest, with some really giant trees. But, you know, expense. |
| 21:15 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, a full forest is a SHIP. |
| 21:15 | < Mantisking> | Malcolm, I've had a similar idea. |
| 21:17 | < Ced23Ric> | ... how do you shop with a Wanted list? |
| 21:17 | < Ced23Ric> | "Show me the shop with the most available lots" would be a usefull button. |
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| 21:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren. |
| 21:21 | < Ced23Ric> | How do I use a Wanted List to shop? |
| 21:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Also: Hiya! |
| 21:21 | < Soren> | I have actually never used one to shop. |
| 21:21 | < Soren> | So I am not actually the person to ask. |
| 21:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Well fuck. |
| 21:21 | < Mantisking> | It's been a while since I've actually shopped on Bricklink. |
| 21:25 | < Buckit_> | I kinda used it once, give me a second to look at it again |
| 21:25 | < Soren> | Itās usually faster for me to run through the catalog manually, so i never got in the habit of using wanted lists for anything more complex than āin the hilariously unlikely event that this part comes in this color, email me to let me know.ā |
| 21:27 | < FlakManiak> | I make wanted lists in BrickStore and hand 'em to the cost minimizer. Using wanted lists straight up in BrickLink was a bit hellish back when I did. |
| 21:28 | < FlakManiak> | Should I get a second Brandenburg Gate and double my force of sand green guys? |
| 21:28 | < Buckit_> | wait, brickstone, cost minimizer? |
| 21:28 | < Buckit_> | this sounds like black magic |
| 21:28 | < Buckit_> | teach me |
| 21:28 | < FlakManiak> | It is, in fact, the best black magic. |
| 21:29 | < FlakManiak> | Okay so there's a guy on the Brickset forums called atxdad. This guy made a bunch of MatLab scripts to take lists of parts and search for minimum-cost vendor combinations on BrickLink. |
| 21:29 | < FlakManiak> | The scripts work in Octave (the open-source MatLab equivalent). |
| 21:29 | < FlakManiak> | You use BrickStore (a BrickLink logistical program) to make a wanted list, and then hand it to the cost minimizer scripts. |
| 21:29 | < Buckit_> | This sounds awesome. The most daunting part of bricklink for me is the multiple vendor issue |
| 21:30 | < FlakManiak> | And then it finds three or fewer vendors that have those parts for as cheap as it can find. |
| 21:30 | < FlakManiak> | And yeah, the multiple vendor thing would have stopped me from BrickLinking nearly as much as I did. |
| 21:30 | < FlakManiak> | Anyway the cost minimizer can't take into account shipping or minimum buys or "buy this part only in multiples of ten thousand" and stuff like that, but even with its limitations it revolutionized my BrickLinking. |
| 21:31 | < Soren> | *furiously taking notes* |
| 21:31 | < Buckit_> | xD |
| 21:31 | < Buckit_> | Indeed |
| 21:31 | < Soren> | I did promise myself to use Brickstore to make things easier on myself this time around. |
| 21:31 | < FlakManiak> | (Just PM atxdad on Brickset and he'll hand you the scripts. They're very easy to use when you get used to them.) |
| 21:31 | | * mraichelson takes many notes |
| 21:32 | < FlakManiak> | One thing to be careful about is making sure you're not adding parts to your wanted list that are in really low supply, because those can inflate the price of everything else by severely limiting which stores have what you want. |
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| 21:33 | < Mantisking_> | Lion! http://photos.daveshevett.com/p405762679/he996db4#h3b1e20f |
| 21:33 | < FlakManiak> | So for example if there are two parts that are essentially the same with a small mold difference, make sure to pick the more common one. |
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| 21:33 | < FlakManiak> | BrickStore tells you how many of various parts are for sale out there, so that's good. |
| 21:34 | < FlakManiak> | Also sometimes you have to break things up into multiple uses of the cost minimizer. |
| 21:34 | < FlakManiak> | Anyway regardless of its limitations, it's so good. |
| 21:34 | < Soren> | Nice. |
| 21:35 | < Soren> | I think Iāll probably end up doing most of what I need to do manually, but I would like to experiment with it anyway. I might hand it a list of the most common parts and let it gnaw on that. |
| 21:36 | < mraichelson> | anything that means potentially less time trying to spec crap out in excel and manually entering pricing information i am all for at this point. |
| 21:36 | < FlakManiak> | Faster, easier, cheaper. Which meant in practice that I probably spent more money on BrickLink, but hey, I got awesome builds out of it! |
| 21:38 | < FlakManiak> | So when I say I'm a BrickLink warrior and I seem to ooze whatever parts I fancy, you know why. My secret weapon means I really *can* just get the parts I want. (Hence my lack of interest in sets for parts.) |
| 21:38 | < mraichelson> | there is something to be said for āthis guy has a $6 minimum buy, letās see what else he has for this other $1.50 i need to fillā¦OOOOH, NEATā |
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| 21:40 | < FlakManiak> | Yeah there's a lot of window shopping for me too. I use the cost minimizer, then go to each BrickLink store and add what I was gonna get, then I scour a bunch of categories for other stuff at a good price. |
| 21:40 | < FlakManiak> | Things I'd love to get but that aren't essential enough to put in my list. |
| 21:40 | < FlakManiak> | I always end up finding good parts like that. |
| 21:40 | < Soren> | I would probably buy that way if I were more goal-oriented. |
| 21:41 | < Soren> | As it is, I like the occasional small set because I get parts I never ever would have snagged, even opportunistically, on Bricklink, and then i get to figure out how to use them, if ever. |
| 21:41 | < FlakManiak> | Ah, yeah, see, often when I'm buying I know exactly what I'm building beforehand. It's less and less common for me to get parts in a color and say "I'll build guys in this color but I don't know what they'll be like yet." |
| 21:41 | < Soren> | And I use the Bricklink catalog well enough that itās probably faster than a script at this point. |
| 21:42 | < Soren> | But it would make doing things like the Special Editions so much faster. |
| 21:43 | < Buckit_> | Yeah, Im still trying to get enough parts for my first company or two, so this sounds like a savior to me |
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| 21:44 | < FlakManiak> | Just make sure that if the price seems really high, you aren't getting bottlenecked by something weird. Try removing certain parts from the wanted list or replacing with equivalents if it spits out a ridiculous cost. |
| 21:44 | < Ced23Ric> | Flak: Can't you just upload the scripts? |
| 21:45 | < FlakManiak> | I don't know if atxdad wants other people uploading them, but he'll gladly hand them to you if you PM him. |
| 21:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Fair enough. |
| 21:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Too much effort. |
| 21:46 | < FlakManiak> | Certainly less effort than battling BrickLink! |
| 21:47 | < Ced23Ric> | I just found out how to Wanted List. |
| 21:49 | < Ced23Ric> | Now I just gotta decide how many trees I want. |
| 21:49 | < Mantisking_> | It's actually kinda crowded in here. Nice. |
| 21:49 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. We can resurrect this bitch still. |
| 21:49 | < Ced23Ric> | I miss Kevin and Katherine, though. |
| 21:50 | < Mantisking_> | Who? |
| 21:50 | < Ced23Ric> | afny and ... Katherine. |
| 21:50 | < Mantisking_> | Ah. |
| 21:52 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. Gonna assemble the wanted list for my next one-off build. This series of one-offs is gonna hopefully make up for my lack of insane and extravagant builds of late. |
| 21:54 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm. These each have fewer Travis bricks than a blue dragon. Well, maybe not the newest prototype. |
| 21:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren, want a Purple Driod Torso? |
| 21:56 | < Ced23Ric> | Only 14 bucks. |
| 21:57 | < Soren> | Depends. My 14 bucks, or someone elseās? |
| 21:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Ha! Yours. |
| 21:57 | < Ced23Ric> | 2 in stock! |
| 21:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Buy now! |
| 21:57 | < Soren> | Then no. |
| 21:58 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=85975 Iād take $14 worth of these in black, though. |
| 21:58 | < Buckit_> | Planning on some Doctor Who shenanigans? |
| 21:58 | < Soren> | planning on tiny rocket engines. |
| 21:59 | < Mantisking_> | Ooohh, fezzes. |
| 21:59 | < Soren> | Iāve got dark red and white, which i used to make missiles. |
| 22:01 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/PL/15423pb01.jpg?1 |
| 22:01 | < Ced23Ric> | This image made me laugh |
| 22:12 | < Mantisking_> | Time for me to go. Catch you all later. |
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| 22:16 | | nifkin is now known as mraichelson |
| 22:17 | < mraichelson> | brickstore + mac = sad panda |
| 22:18 | < Ced23Ric> | Ha! |
| 22:19 | < TheBane> | So a question... I have been messinging with LDD. Trying to reconstruct other's Frames, deconstructing those who have shared their LDD files, and generally trying to figure out basic connections and such that people use. Now I am inclined to come up with something on my own.... |
| 22:19 | < TheBane> | so the question becomes, what is the best way to approach something... original? |
| 22:19 | < mraichelson> | crashes on save every time. hasnāt been updated for any of the new OSX releases. |
| 22:20 | < Soren> | Be weird. |
| 22:20 | < TheBane> | I guess that is a lame question... |
| 22:20 | < Soren> | No, itās just a very broad question. |
| 22:21 | < TheBane> | I guess I am wondering what others do for ... |
| 22:21 | < Buckit_> | Thats why you should make a partition comprising most of your hdd, and install windows on it |
| 22:21 | < Ced23Ric> | We're being weird. |
| 22:21 | < TheBane> | their approach (I can't think how to word this) to starting a new Frame |
| 22:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Here's what Soren taught me. |
| 22:21 | < Ced23Ric> | And it has yet to fail. |
| 22:21 | < Ced23Ric> | "If you're stck, try something crazy." |
| 22:22 | < Ced23Ric> | Like bringing a stable 6 wide assembly down to a less stable 5 wide assembly via jumpers. |
| 22:22 | < FlakManiak> | My most original designs, core chassis-wise, were made by sitting down and playing with bricks. |
| 22:22 | < Ced23Ric> | And in general, try to conjure hings up in your head. Elements that give you ideas. |
| 22:22 | < Ced23Ric> | And then stuff them together. |
| 22:22 | < Ced23Ric> | You can taker existing designs and see if you can change/improve them. |
| 22:23 | < Ced23Ric> | Or set a goal and try to find a solution. |
| 22:23 | < TheBane> | Hmmm |
| 22:23 | < Soren> | In general, tiny changes are harder to judge. |
| 22:23 | < Soren> | So if you make big changes, or try completely opposite solutions, you can find a range, and then narrow it. |
| 22:23 | < FlakManiak> | (My LDD work has been mostly aesthetic stuff, not core chassis building.) |
| 22:24 | < Ced23Ric> | TB: What happens with me is that I get an impulse and dig into it. |
| 22:24 | < Ced23Ric> | For example, Soren said: "Ha, technics connectors for trees." |
| 22:24 | < Ced23Ric> | And then I made trees. |
| 22:24 | < TheBane> | I guess I am having an issue where to start... torso.... feet and legs... what's a good design approach |
| 22:25 | < Ced23Ric> | ... I think that was the entire conversation, minus a link to an image, right Soren? |
| 22:25 | < Soren> | Pretty much. |
| 22:25 | < Ced23Ric> | TB: Well, what's your kickoff? |
| 22:25 | < FlakManiak> | And now Ced has a design for awesome trees. |
| 22:25 | < mraichelson> | Buckit_: an air doesnāt have that much drive space for such trickery. ;) |
| 22:25 | < Ced23Ric> | Do you have a firing idea for arms? |
| 22:25 | < Soren> | It depends. IF you want a load-bearing design, start from the top down. |
| 22:25 | < FlakManiak> | I'm not sure it matters where you start on a frame. |
| 22:25 | < Ced23Ric> | Or a nice head to neck assembly? |
| 22:25 | < TheBane> | I guess that's it Ced23Ric... not sure I have a "kick off" |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | For example, I ... went with Soren's advice. |
| 22:26 | < TheBane> | I have some basic design goals |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | This is my starting point: http://www.bricklink.com/PL/44827pb03.jpg?1 |
| 22:26 | < Ced23Ric> | It was literally one of the most ridiculous lego things I have seen from recent sets. |
| 22:27 | < Buckit_> | Yeah, I was just being obnoxious for the sake of being so |
| 22:27 | < TheBane> | That's a Lego piece... hits link again |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | But, soon, the 163rd Airborne will take to the skies! |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/PL/44827pb03.jpg |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Link works? |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Should. |
| 22:27 | < Ced23Ric> | And yes, it is. |
| 22:28 | < TheBane> | Damn strange piece |
| 22:28 | < Ced23Ric> | It's this dude: http://www.brickbybrick.gr/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d 6e5fb8d27136e95/s/w/sw382.jpg |
| 22:28 | < Ced23Ric> | His wings, to be exact. |
| 22:28 | < Ced23Ric> | I wanna make insect paratrooper frames now. |
| 22:28 | < Ced23Ric> | Splinter Cell level of operator. |
| 22:28 | < TheBane> | Cool |
| 22:29 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/PL/6158.jpg |
| 22:29 | < FlakManiak> | Hmm right. I should design more flying frames. |
| 22:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Using that as the face. |
| 22:29 | < FlakManiak> | Maybe I can have a space battle sometime. |
| 22:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Not 100% sure on the mount yet, but that's where I'm going. |
| 22:29 | < TheBane> | Hmmm (scratches head while thinking) |
| 22:30 | < TheBane> | I have always been pretty creative when given a strange shape and making it work |
| 22:30 | < TheBane> | combine that with a design asthetic I like (humanoid/bulky/reflexed legs) I might be able to do something... |
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| 22:31 | < TheBane> | Maybe a bit 'clockwork'-ish |
| 22:32 | < TheBane> | Just spitballing here btw |
| 22:32 | < TheBane> | I tend to think better "outloud" |
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| 22:33 | < mraichelson> | the ārubber duckyā method of debugging/thinking through a problem :) |
| 22:34 | < TheBane> | Locomotion options |
| 22:34 | < TheBane> | Okay... think I'm on to something |
| 22:34 | < TheBane> | Appreciate the creative bump |
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| 22:38 | < Buckit_> | Unfortunately, I hate using any of the lego softwares |
| 22:38 | < Soren> | They do kind of suck. |
| 22:38 | < Buckit_> | After working in solidworks and inventor, they just feel miserable |
| 22:41 | < Ced23Ric> | I like LDD because it is fast and simple. |
| 22:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Once you got the hang of it, you can quickly sketch things. |
| 22:44 | < Ced23Ric> | Soren, are there any suitable replacements for minifig heads to mount those breathing apparati? |
| 22:45 | < Soren> | Not particularly? |
| 22:45 | < Buckit_> | Yeah, Im just so used to working in general shapes, and extruding/cutting to get where I want, that having to work with predefined blocks makes my head hurt |
| 22:45 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm, yeah. |
| 22:45 | < Soren> | There are a bunch of unsatisfactory half-solutions. |
| 22:45 | < Ced23Ric> | I figured. |
| 22:45 | < Ced23Ric> | I could potentially force it over something else. |
| 22:47 | < Buckit_> | Maybe a couple of the 1x1 rounds and then an upside down 2x2 dish? |
| 22:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Box it in? Mhmm. Would still wobble. |
| 22:48 | < Ced23Ric> | But it has a small bar element. |
| 22:48 | < Ced23Ric> | Maybe I just clip it and call it a day. |
| 22:49 | < Buckit_> | Well, I would think you could use the rounds to adjust the tightness |
| 22:49 | < Buckit_> | Plus some strategic pieces around it |
| 22:58 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/PL/87781.jpg |
| 22:58 | < Ced23Ric> | I kinda of wnat to combine that thing ... |
| 22:58 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/PL/15446.jpg |
| 22:58 | < Ced23Ric> | ... with that thing. |
| 22:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Lots for sale of the latter: 0 |
| 23:00 | < Soren> | I should snag some of those when they become more available. |
| 23:00 | < Ced23Ric> | The latter? |
| 23:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. They are pretty cool. |
| 23:01 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?S=70808-1 |
| 23:01 | < Ced23Ric> | One set only. ;_; |
| 23:01 | < Ced23Ric> | And no black. just flat silver. |
| 23:02 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?itemID=124650 |
| 23:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Pricing for the mini is horrible. |
| 23:02 | < Soren> | Yeah, fuck that. |
| 23:03 | < Soren> | Itāll go down, or Iāll buy the set. |
| 23:03 | < Soren> | Stuff like that goes on sale. |
| 23:03 | < FlakManiak> | That's only in one set? Huh. Looks like cheaper plastic though, which makes sense if it's only in the one set. |
| 23:04 | < Ced23Ric> | You know ... |
| 23:04 | < Ced23Ric> | I should really go to ridiculous measures. |
| 23:04 | < Soren> | Stuff like minifig accessories doesnāt have to be as high-quality as building bricks do, actually. |
| 23:05 | < Soren> | But itās the stuff people seem to desire the most. |
| 23:05 | < Soren> | Which is one of many reasons clone sets are so incredibly crappy; they donāt have to be good to sell okay. |
| 23:05 | < Ced23Ric> | I could probably just export the CAD version of the goggles, and pass the file to the Humboldt University of Technology here in Berlin. |
| 23:05 | < Ced23Ric> | They have a 3D printer and nothing to do with it - and I know someone there. |
| 23:05 | < Ced23Ric> | "Print me that, 40 times." |
| 23:06 | < Ced23Ric> | Would be done in a day and cost next to nothing." |
| 23:06 | < Ced23Ric> | Could even have 'em print it in copper. Because their machine can print with liquid copper. |
| 23:07 | < Soren> | nice. |
| 23:07 | < Soren> | Maybe you should be bad and just do that. |
| 23:07 | < Ced23Ric> | ... if I actually can get that done, would you want some? |
| 23:07 | < Ced23Ric> | Dunno, like 8 for storage? |
| 23:08 | < Soren> | Of course, it would be hilarious |
| 23:08 | < Soren> | And Iād appreciate it. But mostly iād be giggling. |
| 23:08 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.ced23ric.de/stuff/mf0/helmets.png |
| 23:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Think all parts black. |
| 23:09 | < Ced23Ric> | Which one looks best to you? |
| 23:09 | < Soren> | The one on the far right is my personal favorite. |
| 23:09 | < Soren> | But I love that visor. |
| 23:13 | < Ced23Ric> | That helmet is a paintball helmet. |
| 23:16 | < Ced23Ric> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?S=col10-9 |
| 23:17 | < Ced23Ric> | Fucking limited edition raffle bags. |
| 23:21 | < Ced23Ric> | I'll ask the guy. |
| 23:21 | < Ced23Ric> | See what they need and if it is possible. |
| 23:21 | < Ced23Ric> | If so, Soren, would you want some of those helmets, and the slit visor in black, too? |
| 23:22 | < Soren> | Sure! |
| 23:23 | < Soren> | IF youāre offering me awesome things, i will probably say yes. |
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| 23:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Okay, I'll figure it out. |
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| 23:37 | < Soren> | Yay parts. |
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