| --- Log opened Mon May 05 00:00:08 2014 |
| --- Day changed Mon May 05 2014 |
| 00:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Without leverage? |
| 00:00 | < Ced23Ric> | YOu cannot force me by wanting to force me. |
| 01:12 | < Shades_Corvid> | and now I am pre writing posts for the future! |
| 01:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Sounds like magic! |
| 02:38 | < Shades_Corvid> | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2sp5179Jko0/U2bqLhdbS9I/AAAAAAAAA4k/qtKVoJfUt 9w/w503-h709-no/Where+the+Peaches.JPG |
| 02:39 | < Soren> | *innocent whistling* |
| 02:39 | < Soren> | *buuuuuuuuurp* |
| 02:40 | < Soren> | I needed a snack. |
| 02:41 | < Shades_Corvid> | These are how wars are started... |
| 02:44 | < Soren> | Itās true. |
| 05:00 | < FlakManiak> | That Chub needs more color coordination. |
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| 15:07 | < Mantisking> | Hello? |
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| 15:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Holy fuck. |
| 15:27 | < Ced23Ric> | The house is PACKED. |
| 15:27 | < Ced23Ric> | (5 people) |
| 15:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Hey Ray, Soren, Shades, Flak. |
| 15:28 | < Soren> | Yep. |
| 15:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Still missing afny. ;_; |
| 15:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Also, I'm missing Neutrinos in muh game. |
| 15:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Aaaand with Blackrock being the hardest faction left, I feel like I am about to hit the peak again. |
| 15:30 | < Ced23Ric> | (Muh Neutrinos. ;_;) |
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| 15:32 | < Mantisking_> | I walk away from my damn computer and it boots me out. |
| 15:32 | < Mantisking_> | Hey, Ced. |
| 15:32 | < Ced23Ric> | Hey Ray. |
| 15:32 | < Mantisking_> | Hey, Soren. |
| 15:35 | < Mantisking_> | How was everyone's weekend? |
| 15:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Relaxed, on my end. |
| 15:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Way too much Bricklink. |
| 15:38 | < Mantisking_> | Is such a thing as too much? |
| 15:42 | < Ced23Ric> | Mayhaps..? |
| 15:44 | < Ced23Ric> | I think I dmped like US$250 across several orders. |
| 15:44 | < Ced23Ric> | But then again, it's for 10 frames, new guns, restocking of parts I thought I had and a crippling obsession with tan parts for cover. |
| 15:44 | < Mantisking_> | Of course I say this as the person who has a table covered in unopened boxes of Lego. |
| 17:23 | < Mantisking_> | AFK. |
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| 18:22 | < MittenNinja> | sup guys? |
| 18:25 | < MittenNinja> | Anyone still around? |
| 18:25 | < Ced23Ric> | Yah |
| 18:25 | < Ced23Ric> | 'Sup, Greg? |
| 18:25 | < Ced23Ric> | On your phone again? |
| 18:25 | < MittenNinja> | nah on the computer so i shouldnt have nay issues |
| 18:25 | < MittenNinja> | hopefully... |
| 18:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Gotcha! |
| 18:28 | < MittenNinja> | howve you been man? |
| 18:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Quite alright, actually. |
| 18:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Over the two years when I vanished, I just couldn't do it anymore. |
| 18:30 | < Ced23Ric> | No one to play with but my roomie, and only because his ankle was broken. |
| 18:30 | < Ced23Ric> | But then I saw the AB Kickstarter and decided to go and evangelize Berlin. |
| 18:30 | < MittenNinja> | hahaha |
| 18:30 | < MittenNinja> | hows it been going so far? |
| 18:30 | < Ced23Ric> | So I now ordered some demo teams, will assemble a kit and hit one store after another. |
| 18:30 | < Ced23Ric> | Still in the prep phase. ;) |
| 18:31 | < Ced23Ric> | But I got my felt, my parts ordered and, well, MFZ:Condensed is almost done, too. |
| 18:31 | < MittenNinja> | nice |
| 18:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Still gotta translate this into German, I recon. |
| 18:31 | < Ced23Ric> | *reckoen |
| 18:31 | < Ced23Ric> | -e |
| 18:31 | < Ced23Ric> | Fuckit, I give up. |
| 18:31 | < MittenNinja> | hahaha |
| 18:32 | < Ced23Ric> | Also, I am maintaining MFZ's 4chan presence. |
| 18:32 | < Ced23Ric> | Essentially snatched it from the guy who ran it before. |
| 18:32 | < MittenNinja> | 4chan is one of those things that i never really delved into |
| 18:33 | < Ced23Ric> | http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/31861995 |
| 18:33 | < Ced23Ric> | That's the thread that just hit the bump limit. |
| 18:35 | < Ced23Ric> | http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/31934737 |
| 18:35 | < Ced23Ric> | An that is the new one. |
| 18:35 | < Ced23Ric> | Every 300 posts, the thread starts to sink down on the board. |
| 18:35 | < Ced23Ric> | But for 300 posts, it floats on the front page. |
| 18:36 | < Ced23Ric> | So every 300 posts, a new general is started. |
| 18:36 | < Ced23Ric> | People ask questions, share builds, show each other images, or work out the rules. |
| 18:39 | < MittenNinja> | cool man |
| 18:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh well. Once the demo teams are assembled, I'll go an polish some door handles. |
| 18:40 | < MittenNinja> | for sure |
| 18:40 | < Ced23Ric> | There is a dozen independent gaming stores in the city, and a bar that I want to schedule a demo event at. |
| 18:40 | < MittenNinja> | do you have any local cons out there? |
| 18:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Not much of a con culture. |
| 18:41 | < MittenNinja> | thats unfortunate |
| 18:41 | < Ced23Ric> | We have NordCon, which is a Larp/Reenactment thing. |
| 18:41 | < MittenNinja> | you coul always see if you and some others could start one up? |
| 18:41 | < Ced23Ric> | And otherwise, "cons" are LARP events, here. |
| 18:41 | < Ced23Ric> | No comic cons, war gaming cons, etc. |
| 18:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Con = LARP |
| 18:42 | < Mantisking> | Hello. |
| 18:42 | < MittenNinja> | sup mantis |
| 18:42 | < Mantisking> | Sup. |
| 18:42 | < Ced23Ric> | So, yeah. |
| 18:42 | < Mantisking> | Just trying to make it through the work day. |
| 18:42 | < Ced23Ric> | And: Who am I gonna start up a con with, Greg? ;) |
| 18:42 | < MittenNinja> | i hear ya |
| 18:42 | < MittenNinja> | talk to some of the local game shops |
| 18:42 | < Ced23Ric> | I think I am one of the only German MFZ players. |
| 18:43 | < Mantisking> | Pasukuru is in Germany, I think. |
| 18:43 | < MittenNinja> | see if any of them would be interested in starting up a gaming con |
| 18:43 | < MittenNinja> | board games, tabletop, mtg etc |
| 18:43 | < Ced23Ric> | They're not - it's all about local events at their stores. |
| 18:43 | < Ced23Ric> | Not much of a collaboration crowd. |
| 18:43 | < Ced23Ric> | But I'll probably just tour stores. :D |
| 18:43 | < MittenNinja> | that seems silly |
| 18:43 | < MittenNinja> | without collabortaion you dont grow |
| 18:44 | < Ced23Ric> | Not silly - just a different mentality. These stores invest in longterm loyal customers. |
| 18:44 | < Ced23Ric> | And they don't want to expose those to other stores. |
| 18:45 | < MittenNinja> | right, but the amount of exposure they could get with an event like that could nring them so many new gamers |
| 18:46 | < MittenNinja> | thus increasing sales, and player base |
| 18:51 | < Ced23Ric> | Sure - but you cannot calculate that number beforehand. |
| 18:51 | < Ced23Ric> | And a con's expensive. |
| 18:51 | < Ced23Ric> | At the very least, you need a location to house, say, 100 people. |
| 18:52 | < Ced23Ric> | But then you need to make sure people know it'S happening, and you need attractions, etc. pp. |
| 18:52 | < Ced23Ric> | The German consumer is very suspicious and not very curious. ;) |
| 18:52 | < Ced23Ric> | Again - it is a mentality thing. |
| 18:52 | < MittenNinja> | the best way I've seen to get a con started is by hosting a large tourney for something that has a large playerbase |
| 18:52 | < MittenNinja> | w40k, mtg, etc |
| 18:53 | < MittenNinja> | that brings people in |
| 18:53 | < Ced23Ric> | Sure. So you'd want to piggyback on that? |
| 18:53 | < MittenNinja> | hell yeah |
| 18:53 | < Ced23Ric> | I can see if there are any tourneys around these days. |
| 18:53 | < Ced23Ric> | See if I can get a sideshow. |
| 18:53 | < MittenNinja> | i demoed out at feast of blades, which is a big w40k tourney out here |
| 18:53 | < MittenNinja> | got a lot of good feedback and interest |
| 18:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Players inbetween things coming over? |
| 18:54 | < MittenNinja> | oh yeah |
| 18:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Did you get any "Oh, that's lego." with a condescending tone to it? |
| 18:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Like, looking down on it as children's toys? |
| 18:55 | < MittenNinja> | nope |
| 18:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Any other negative things? |
| 18:55 | < MittenNinja> | lots of "is that lego?" with a excited and curious tone |
| 18:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Ha! |
| 18:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Lego is such a universal fun bringer. |
| 18:56 | < MittenNinja> | i literally had one guy come over (he was with the privateer press media team) and he asked "Is this what i think it is?" i replied with "It |
| 18:56 | < MittenNinja> | 's exactly what you think it is" |
| 18:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Nice. |
| 18:57 | < MittenNinja> | he started waving his arms around going "OOOOOOOHHHHHHH MYYYYYY GOD |
| 18:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Hahahaha. |
| 18:57 | < MittenNinja> | you will have a few people that will show no interest |
| 18:57 | < MittenNinja> | from the hardcore w40k elitist types |
| 18:57 | < Ced23Ric> | I figure. |
| 18:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. |
| 18:57 | < Ced23Ric> | The "tourneyfags", as 4chan calls them. :D |
| 18:57 | < MittenNinja> | hahahaha |
| 18:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Or "MLG progamer". |
| 18:58 | < MittenNinja> | the worst response i got from anyone who actually stopped to check it out was "that's pretty cool" |
| 18:58 | < Ced23Ric> | But, yeah. I know the type. |
| 18:58 | < Ced23Ric> | I wanna hit that one nerd bar. |
| 18:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Like, it is legitimately a nerd bar. |
| 18:58 | < Ced23Ric> | Their theme is "crashed space station". |
| 18:58 | < MittenNinja> | nice |
| 18:59 | < Ced23Ric> | And it is covered with bits and bobs and ancient technology. |
| 18:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Once a year they go on C64 gaming sprees. |
| 18:59 | < MittenNinja> | hahaha |
| 18:59 | < Ced23Ric> | Or do injection molding, CNC cutting, 3D printing, and soldering etc. in their members only workshop. |
| 18:59 | < MittenNinja> | thats pretty sweet |
| 18:59 | < Ced23Ric> | You can order beer via a Commodore console. |
| 19:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Or change the music, if you have a passcode. |
| 19:00 | < Ced23Ric> | And there's projectors, toilets are UV lights only ... |
| 19:00 | < Ced23Ric> | It's a weird place. |
| 19:00 | < Ced23Ric> | But in a good sense. |
| 19:00 | < MittenNinja> | sounds pretty cool |
| 19:00 | < Ced23Ric> | Right by a larger canal, so in the summer, you have a cool patio to chill on. |
| 19:00 | < Ced23Ric> | And it's smack dab in the center of the city. |
| 19:01 | < Ced23Ric> | ... incidentially, 15 minutes from my place. |
| 19:01 | < MittenNinja> | perfect |
| 19:01 | < Ced23Ric> | And I know the owner. |
| 19:01 | < Ced23Ric> | That was the best story. |
| 19:01 | < Ced23Ric> | My roomie and I were playing Ingress, which is basically Google Maps:The Game. |
| 19:01 | < Ced23Ric> | You physically go to sites, and when your GPS is close enough you can hack, attack or loot portals. |
| 19:02 | < Ced23Ric> | And the bar had their own portal, blue, our enemies. |
| 19:02 | < MittenNinja> | yeah i checked it out. wasnt a big fan of it though |
| 19:02 | < Ced23Ric> | So we sat outside and looted it dry, then bombed the shit out of it. |
| 19:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Suddenly get a message in global chat: "Come in for a beer!" |
| 19:02 | < MittenNinja> | the poor excuse for a tutorial and poor ui made it difficult to get into |
| 19:02 | < Ced23Ric> | The bartender had messaged us. :D |
| 19:02 | < MittenNinja> | haha nice |
| 19:02 | < Ced23Ric> | So we got to know the crew, had several beer and shots on the house and ... stayed until 4am. |
| 19:03 | < Ced23Ric> | Fun times. |
| 19:03 | < MittenNinja> | for sure |
| 19:03 | < Ced23Ric> | They now have a neonlight on top of the building, that glows blue or green, depending on who controls the portal now. |
| 19:03 | < MittenNinja> | that is awesome |
| 19:03 | < Ced23Ric> | So, yeah. Lotsa nerds. I think MFZ has a chance there. |
| 19:03 | < Ced23Ric> | They love lego and mindstorm. |
| 19:03 | < MittenNinja> | i would say so |
| 19:04 | < Ced23Ric> | And while I suspect some of them using the 3D printer to build frames ... |
| 19:04 | < Ced23Ric> | ... I am sure I can hook some of them. |
| 19:04 | < MittenNinja> | hey theres nothing wrong with printing frames |
| 19:04 | < Ced23Ric> | Imagine them printing their own lego. |
| 19:04 | < Ced23Ric> | In colours we cannot fathom. |
| 19:04 | < Ced23Ric> | My roomie asked me if I need the univerisity's 3D printer. |
| 19:04 | < MittenNinja> | im all fo rthat |
| 19:05 | < Ced23Ric> | That thing can even print fucking copper. |
| 19:10 | < Ced23Ric> | I am a little worried. |
| 19:11 | < MittenNinja> | about what? |
| 19:11 | < Ced23Ric> | MFZ isn't good at handling serious games, you know? |
| 19:11 | < MittenNinja> | oh it is |
| 19:11 | < Ced23Ric> | It's a glorious casual carnage fest. |
| 19:11 | < Ced23Ric> | But at the "build ceiling", there is not much room. |
| 19:11 | < MittenNinja> | the big barrier is the fact that the rules are very simple and a lot of serious gamers think that simple = dumbed down |
| 19:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Not so much. Movement and tactical resource allocation is important. |
| 19:12 | < Ced23Ric> | But I'm already having questions like this: "So, is there currently any reason to not just take WW G YY RdRd / RaRa / RdRa on everything?" |
| 19:13 | < MittenNinja> | of course there is |
| 19:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Like? |
| 19:14 | < Ced23Ric> | I am still not seeing much value in HtH. |
| 19:14 | < MittenNinja> | oh there is |
| 19:14 | < Ced23Ric> | And B/G remain weak compared to spot. |
| 19:14 | < MittenNinja> | you dont really want your entire company loaded out with hth |
| 19:14 | < MittenNinja> | keep in mind you dont need Y to spot |
| 19:14 | < Ced23Ric> | Sure, but you need it to spot in cover or keep a spot chain going across the battlefield. |
| 19:15 | < MittenNinja> | true |
| 19:15 | < MittenNinja> | but with a good movement you can just maneuver so that the target isnt in cover anymore |
| 19:15 | < MittenNinja> | or |
| 19:15 | < MittenNinja> | shred the cover with your attack instead of attacking the frame to destroy the cover, then spot |
| 19:15 | < Ced23Ric> | I guess there is a shift in value in larger games. |
| 19:16 | < Ced23Ric> | 1 vs 1 is pretty cut and dry. |
| 19:16 | < Ced23Ric> | But 4 players or 5 is a crazy madhouse. |
| 19:16 | < MittenNinja> | yeah 1v1 is not how to showcase the game |
| 19:17 | < MittenNinja> | 3 player is by far the best |
| 19:17 | < Ced23Ric> | 5 gets small fast, eh? |
| 19:17 | < Ced23Ric> | And lots of waiting. |
| 19:17 | < MittenNinja> | 5 is probably the second best |
| 19:17 | < MittenNinja> | IMM it goes 3, 5, 4, 2 |
| 19:17 | < MittenNinja> | from best to worst |
| 19:17 | < Ced23Ric> | Gotcha. |
| 19:18 | < MittenNinja> | without a third person |
| 19:18 | < MittenNinja> | you lose the entire shifting alliances of convienience |
| 19:18 | < MittenNinja> | which is one of the best parts of the game |
| 19:19 | < MittenNinja> | and also one of the parts that adds the most depth tactically |
| 19:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, because you need to preserve forces, yet attack. |
| 19:19 | < Ced23Ric> | A conundrum. |
| 19:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Once the bullets fly, the cat is out of the bag. |
| 19:19 | < MittenNinja> | when its 1v1 you only have one option really |
| 19:19 | < MittenNinja> | attack the other dude |
| 19:19 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. And then, the firepower disparity favours the heavy. |
| 19:20 | < MittenNinja> | exactly |
| 19:20 | < Ced23Ric> | We tried many times, with various loadouts. |
| 19:20 | < MittenNinja> | going back to the build question |
| 19:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Heavy takes the cake almost always. |
| 19:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Yah. |
| 19:20 | < MittenNinja> | my "grunts" are Rd, Rh, B, G |
| 19:20 | < MittenNinja> | in fact my serpent legion only has one frame with Y dice |
| 19:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Wow, daring. |
| 19:21 | < MittenNinja> | and only 3 without a HtH system |
| 19:21 | < Ced23Ric> | I wouldn't give up on spot like that, honestly. |
| 19:21 | < MittenNinja> | granted only one has no ranged weapons |
| 19:21 | < MittenNinja> | if you play smart its not much of an issue |
| 19:21 | < Ced23Ric> | I'd rely on whites for HtH. |
| 19:21 | < MittenNinja> | i still have spots up most of the time |
| 19:21 | < MittenNinja> | you have 2 reds for that |
| 19:21 | < MittenNinja> | a G for move |
| 19:21 | < MittenNinja> | and a B for defense |
| 19:21 | < MittenNinja> | you generally dont need to use them for those |
| 19:22 | < MittenNinja> | one of the biggest advantages to having B and G dice is the fact that you can use your whites for other things |
| 19:22 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm-mhmm. |
| 19:22 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, I'd use it for spot. |
| 19:22 | < MittenNinja> | if you run RdRdYY, what happens if you roll a 4 for attack and a 3 for spot and your whites are 5 and 4? |
| 19:22 | < Ced23Ric> | So I figure I might aswell use Spot right away and let the whites handle def/move as needed. |
| 19:23 | < Ced23Ric> | Then I can defend 4, attack 5. |
| 19:23 | < MittenNinja> | you may have to sacrifice your Def or move to get the attack or spot you need |
| 19:23 | < MittenNinja> | sorry i should have thrown some lower rolls in there |
| 19:23 | < Ced23Ric> | That is just the same as having attack 4, move 3, and those whites. |
| 19:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Only that your move is locked. |
| 19:24 | < Ced23Ric> | You lock one function and assign the other two as needed. |
| 19:24 | < MittenNinja> | so your highest Red is a 3, your highest Y is a 2, you roll a 6 and a 2 for whites |
| 19:24 | < Ced23Ric> | I rather lock spot. |
| 19:24 | < MittenNinja> | what do you do? |
| 19:25 | < MittenNinja> | through the games ive played I've found that double systems are usually very overrated |
| 19:25 | < MittenNinja> | you're banking half of your systems towards one die |
| 19:25 | < MittenNinja> | die type i should say |
| 19:26 | < MittenNinja> | if those roll low, you've wasted half of your dice on a 3 |
| 19:26 | < MittenNinja> | if you diversify, a poor roll doesnt hurt you very much |
| 19:27 | < MittenNinja> | im seriously considering dropping my double art systems on my snipers to single art |
| 19:28 | < MittenNinja> | and adding another B |
| 19:32 | < MittenNinja> | most of the Why wouldnt i take this loadout all the time? questions are things that are answered with more experience |
| 19:32 | < Mantisking> | Yup. |
| 19:32 | < Mantisking> | :-) |
| 19:33 | < MittenNinja> | the more you play, the more you realize that what "seems" like the best idea isnt |
| 19:33 | < MittenNinja> | its the same as the "why wouldnt i take 4 systems all the time" question that was asked a bunch early on |
| 19:33 | < Mantisking> | Or you realize you can't make them work like someone else has because you have a different mindset. |
| 19:33 | < MittenNinja> | yep |
| 19:34 | < MittenNinja> | but yeah |
| 19:34 | < MittenNinja> | the last series of pictures i posted to the FB groupfrom AQ was from a game where i was the defender with 3 frames, all loaded out with Rd, Rh, B, G, SSR. |
| 19:35 | < MittenNinja> | i gave up both my starting stations |
| 19:35 | < Mantisking> | Ballsy. |
| 19:35 | < MittenNinja> | but by being smart with movement and destruction of cover i still ended up winning |
| 19:36 | < MittenNinja> | the other guys were set up like so: |
| 19:36 | < MittenNinja> | 3x Soldier with SSR, 1x Ra, G, B |
| 19:37 | < MittenNinja> | and 1x 2Ra 1B 1G, 1x 2Rh 2Y, 1x 2Rd 1B 1Y, 1x 1Rd 1Rh 1B 1Y |
| 19:37 | < MittenNinja> | so i had no Artillery and no Y |
| 19:37 | < MittenNinja> | they had both |
| 19:41 | < Mantisking> | His forces seem pretty artillery heavy. |
| 19:41 | < Mantisking> | Whoops, "their". |
| 19:42 | < Mantisking> | Or I could just shut up because I can't read. :-) |
| 20:10 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
| 20:10 | < MittenNinja> | yeah each had one artillery unit |
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| 20:16 | < Mantisking> | MN, I told you about the Arty team in the PAX East Demos, right? |
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