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| 13:54 | < Soren> | Ah, I thought that was you |
| 13:54 | < Malcolm> | By the randomly assigned username, you shall know him |
| 14:21 | < Soren> | Well, /whois had something to do with it. |
| 14:55 | < Madness> | :o |
| 14:55 | < Madness> | THE soren! |
| 14:57 | < Soren> | Yeah, last I checked! |
| 14:58 | < Soren> | I dunno. I could be someone else. How do you tell if you're not yourself? |
| 15:04 | < Madness> | Usually with a huge amount of introspection, |
| 15:04 | < Madness> | be careful tho, you might produce a concept album as a result. |
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| 15:22 | < Soren> | It's a definite risk. |
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| 15:56 | < Soren> | ahoy |
| 16:31 | < afny> | oh, hey |
| 16:31 | < afny> | on mac os, never notice when it autoconnects |
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| 16:43 | < afny> | o/ |
| 16:44 | < Malcolm> | I think my bold move to try and get at least fifty entries into the design contest is likely to be for naught. Still, 42 entries is pretty pleasing |
| 16:44 | < huhwhozat> | ...wow |
| 16:52 | < afny> | I might still get an entry in |
| 16:52 | < afny> | I had a couple vague ideas |
| 16:52 | < afny> | everything is just so unsorted it's hard to build with purpose |
| 16:56 | < Malcolm> | I know how that goes. I'm moving house again this weekend, so everything is packed up just as I've had some good ideas for new frames. |
| 16:56 | | * Soren looks at the calendar |
| 16:56 | < Soren> | None of you are allowed to bitch. |
| 16:56 | < afny> | heh |
| 16:56 | < Soren> | I haven't had access to serious Lego in six months. |
| 16:56 | < Malcolm> | Here comes Old Man Roberts, telling us how good we got it... |
| 16:56 | < Soren> | It's a wonder I'm still even marginally sane. |
| 16:57 | < afny> | so I think I'm going to try to make some little water reservoirs |
| 16:57 | < Soren> | hopefully, barring any fuckups not of my making, that will change in March. |
| 16:57 | < afny> | out of those star wars planets |
| 16:58 | < afny> | ooh, that's pretty soon |
| 16:58 | < afny> | your brain might make it that far. |
| 16:58 | < Soren> | it might |
| 16:58 | < afny> | I scored two cloud car sets yesterday on the cheap, I should go back and get the third one |
| 16:58 | < Malcolm> | We should have a sweepstake on that |
| 16:58 | < Malcolm> | Sorens brain, not on cloud cars |
| 16:59 | < Soren> | I'm sure something will go wrong. |
| 16:59 | < Soren> | one way or another. |
| 16:59 | < Malcolm> | I'm betting on pirates in the Malacca Strait |
| 17:00 | < afny> | oh god, don't say that |
| 17:00 | < Soren> | except there's noting a pirate would want. |
| 17:00 | < afny> | what would they do with LEGO. |
| 17:01 | < Malcolm> | Build tiny pirate ships in their freetime? |
| 17:01 | < Malcolm> | I assume even pirates have downtime. |
| 17:02 | < afny> | they use it on opium. |
| 17:02 | < Malcolm> | Lego opium pipe? |
| 17:05 | < afny> | plastic smoking instruments probably aren't all that safe |
| 17:05 | < afny> | but then again pirates are probably not concerned with safety. |
| 17:06 | < Malcolm> | I'm sure burning ABS enhances the experience, if only briefly and probably fatally |
| 17:09 | < Soren> | I sincerely doubt it's as much of a risk as a loading accident, and in any case it's insured. |
| 17:10 | < Malcolm> | Regardless of the worries, it'll be great when everything arrives in one piece |
| 17:15 | < Soren> | yes. |
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| 19:54 | < Madness> | Hmm, I can't figure out how to shop for parts. |
| 19:54 | < Madness> | I mean, yes, I can use bricklink just fine |
| 19:54 | < Madness> | but deciding on the pieces to buy is driving me insane. |
| 19:56 | < Soren> | In what sense? |
| 19:56 | < Soren> | just not sure what parts are good? |
| 19:56 | < Madness> | Well, this is the situation, I used to have a ton of bits |
| 19:58 | < Madness> | when I was a kid |
| 19:58 | < Madness> | I recently tried to recover them |
| 19:59 | < Madness> | but my mother gave it to a person, I managed to get them back, but she couldn't find most of the good bits |
| 20:00 | < Madness> | So basically now I have less than half of what I used to have and a desire to build with what I don't have anymore. |
| 20:00 | < Soren> | ouch. |
| 20:00 | < Madness> | but hey, 2x4 bricks. |
| 20:00 | < Soren> | They do make very good terrain. |
| 20:01 | < Madness> | Plus I see what the people on flickr is posting, and I see they use a ton of cool colored bits to hide the hinges and inner things. |
| 20:02 | < Soren> | I would load up on: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=4599b http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=2555 and http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=4081b |
| 20:02 | < Madness> | Plus I'm being OCD as heck, and I can't settle on buying the garage list on its own because I keep thinking "but what if I wanted to do that thing I saw from that guy and I don't have the bits to do it". |
| 20:03 | < Soren> | The classic dilemma. |
| 20:03 | < Madness> | But I'm being a hypocrite because this kind of first world problem is just a symptom of the fact that lego is fricking cool and we are lucky it was invented the way it was. |
| 20:03 | < Soren> | It's true, but there's always room to make your fun better. |
| 20:04 | < Madness> | yea, I just need a vision. |
| 20:04 | < Soren> | It's why we dip things that are already tasty in chocolate |
| 20:04 | < Madness> | In form of an affordable wishlist. |
| 20:04 | < othila> | I'd say don't go with the garage kit in its entirety. Stock up on those pieces Soren linked (and some 1x1 bricks w/ 5 studs) |
| 20:04 | < Madness> | This weekend we will be going to a friend's house in the mountains near here, we plan to pop our MF0 cherry there. |
| 20:04 | < othila> | and then work outward from there in increasing size |
| 20:05 | < othila> | limit yourself to a few colors; get 1x1 plates in those colors, 1x1 tiles in those colors |
| 20:05 | < Madness> | I need to make a decision on the matter fast. |
| 20:05 | < othila> | 1x2 plates in those colors |
| 20:05 | < othila> | 1x2 plates with bars in those colors |
| 20:05 | < othila> | and, uh |
| 20:05 | < Madness> | othila, that's another thing. |
| 20:05 | < othila> | there's probably no way you can get bricklink bits by this weekend |
| 20:05 | < othila> | well, it might happen, but it's not a guarantee |
| 20:06 | < Madness> | I like green, I always have liked it as a color, but ijad frames are so f'n cool in white. :) |
| 20:06 | < Soren> | Get a bunch of 1x1 and 1x2 tiles. Those little bastards will cover a multitude of sins |
| 20:06 | < othila> | because some guy on the other end has to parse out your order into little baggies |
| 20:06 | < othila> | and get around to sending them |
| 20:06 | < othila> | yes, 1x1 and 1x2 tiles (and their respective plates) are absolutely vital |
| 20:06 | < othila> | for the afformentioned covering of inner things |
| 20:06 | < Madness> | plates are the slanted ones? |
| 20:07 | < Soren> | Here, let me link you to Bricklink's categories |
| 20:07 | < Madness> | ah no wait, you mean the modified plates |
| 20:07 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=P&catString=26 plates |
| 20:07 | < Madness> | with the clipts |
| 20:07 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=P&catString=37 tiles |
| 20:07 | < Madness> | *clips |
| 20:07 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=P&catString=31 slopes |
| 20:07 | < Madness> | lol, the minecraft plate is too cute to be true. |
| 20:08 | < Soren> | 'plate' is the generic term for things that are 1/3rd brick height. |
| 20:08 | < othila> | with studs |
| 20:08 | < Soren> | yeah |
| 20:09 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=3794 this little guy, for example,is a jumper plate. Also good to have on hand |
| 20:09 | < Madness> | I probably should give up, get a garage list of stuff, with maybe a bunch more of aesthetic tiles/slopes and surrender to having to make a second order in the future. |
| 20:10 | < Soren> | Well, if I do say so, the garage kit is a pretty good start ;) |
| 20:10 | < othila> | if you've got the money, definitely |
| 20:10 | < Madness> | I'm ranting here solely because I know that you guys have a ton of experience for it. |
| 20:11 | < Madness> | othila, uh, I'm kinda broke atm, is it that expensive? |
| 20:11 | < othila> | I dunno |
| 20:11 | < othila> | it depends where you buy the bits |
| 20:11 | < Madness> | bricklink, any shop in italy or around it that sells me the stuff cheap and fast |
| 20:11 | < othila> | I'd suggest NOT buying one of those pre-packaged garage kits a Bricklink user is selling |
| 20:11 | < othila> | they seemed overpriced |
| 20:11 | < Soren> | What, Paul? |
| 20:12 | < othila> | if you piece together your own orders (probably from multiple stores) of parts on the garage kit list |
| 20:12 | < Madness> | if I had the money I'd start by buying the wolverine/magneto/deadpool/helicopter set. |
| 20:12 | < Madness> | Because Deadpool. |
| 20:12 | < Soren> | No, that's the minimum he's can sell them at for it to be worth his doing them in the first place |
| 20:12 | < othila> | like I said, I don't really know the initial cost |
| 20:12 | < Soren> | it's about $75 on PaB. |
| 20:13 | < othila> | oh, how much is he selling them for? |
| 20:13 | < Soren> | figure there's about a 20% margin of error, the cheapest you're likely to get the bits for is about sixty bucks. |
| 20:13 | < Madness> | Soren, it probably is overcharged for the convenience of having to manually create the list, but I have the time. |
| 20:13 | < Soren> | $120 with a discount for two or more |
| 20:14 | < othila> | yeah, I mean |
| 20:14 | < othila> | it's a large convenience |
| 20:14 | < huhwhozat> | othila: it's not that bad |
| 20:14 | < Soren> | I got four of them to do the stuff for the Customs, and while it seems like it's kind of a minimal pile... it's really, really not. |
| 20:15 | < Madness> | uh, there's a nifty xml export thingie. |
| 20:15 | < Madness> | NICE. |
| 20:15 | < huhwhozat> | only took about an hour for me |
| 20:15 | < Madness> | Btw, the garage list is geared for how many ppl? |
| 20:15 | < Madness> | ppl/frames |
| 20:15 | < Madness> | ballpark. |
| 20:15 | < othila> | one? |
| 20:15 | < othila> | is? |
| 20:15 | < othila> | +h |
| 20:15 | < Soren> | it depends. It'll make five of any of the three basic frames, but people have had a lot of luck getting more out of it. |
| 20:16 | < Soren> | if you have or are willing to buy even a little extra lego you can probably stretch one to two people easily |
| 20:16 | < othila> | that's partially why I suggest starting with the garage kit part list, but maybe not buying it pre-assembled |
| 20:16 | < othila> | if you know you only want to build six scramblers, for instance, you can buy JUST those parts |
| 20:16 | < Madness> | Well, we have other lego. |
| 20:16 | < othila> | and then use your leftover money on the start of a Chub company or something |
| 20:17 | < othila> | sorting what you have already will help cut down on costs, too |
| 20:17 | < Madness> | But I need a base. |
| 20:17 | < Soren> | I'll vouch for it as a good base. |
| 20:17 | < othila> | I'll vouch for the parts list, certainly |
| 20:18 | < othila> | I can't comment on the kit itself as I don't have one :P |
| 20:18 | < Soren> | four garage kits plus selected other orders were what made the, what, eleven companies I had to build for the kickstarter. And they provided a lot of my fill-in parts. |
| 20:18 | < Soren> | I also had a couple big bags of taps, clips, etc, but for things like gray tiles and plates and things, even a little adaptability will go a long way. |
| 20:19 | < othila> | and messing around with a garage kit (or the pieces in a garage kit) will give you a much better sense of the kinds of pieces and the quantities you need to make frames |
| 20:19 | < Madness> | btw, how do I transform a wishlist in a query? |
| 20:19 | < othila> | what I did at first was just buy taps, clips, plates, 1x1 5 stud bricks etc in somewhat random quantities (in grays and blacks) |
| 20:20 | < othila> | it happened to work out, but it certainly could've gone bad |
| 20:20 | < othila> | and...I have no idea |
| 20:23 | < Soren> | Bricklink is an obscure and dated system. It may be possible, but men have gone mad trying |
| 20:23 | < Madness> | I'm a webdev, I should be able to crack the code. |
| 20:24 | < othila> | I stopped going insane once I learned, vaguely, what's in each category |
| 20:24 | < Madness> | But yea, *inser ramble about asp developers*. |
| 20:24 | < othila> | then I stopped using wishlists completely |
| 20:24 | < othila> | it's much easier. |
| 20:25 | < Soren> | Yeah, I just brute force it through the catalog. |
| 20:25 | < Madness> | But you need to know which store to use, innit? |
| 20:25 | < othila> | yeah, that's the key |
| 20:25 | < othila> | the reality of the system is that some of your part choice will just be |
| 20:25 | < Madness> | I still don't. |
| 20:25 | < othila> | what the store that has X, Y, and Z has in stock beside those bits |
| 20:26 | < othila> | you go there for, say, black taps and 1x2 plates in light grey |
| 20:26 | < othila> | and they have a bunch of 1x1 tiles in a nice color for a good price, so you add those |
| 20:27 | < Soren> | It's like going to a farmer's market. |
| 20:27 | < Soren> | But with Lego. |
| 20:28 | < Madness> | wow |
| 20:28 | < Madness> | 70 items in 10 lots EUR 4.82 |
| 20:28 | < Madness> | This can't be right. |
| 20:28 | < Soren> | if you're not looking for rare or weird parts, it can be pretty cheap. |
| 20:28 | < Madness> | oh, I see, there's too few items in there. |
| 20:29 | < Madness> | I'm using your list |
| 20:29 | < Soren> | ah |
| 20:48 | < othila> | all this talk about bricklink has me fired up |
| 20:50 | | * huhwhozat needs bircks |
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| 20:50 | | * huhwhozat needs ring more |
| 20:50 | | * huhwhozat ponders lego ring |
| 20:50 | < Madness> | hmm |
| 20:53 | < othila> | a real ring |
| 20:53 | < othila> | with 1x1 trans-[color] plate |
| 20:53 | < othila> | (or round plate) |
| 20:53 | < othila> | would be fucking awesome |
| 20:53 | < MoF0-240925> | Christ, I've not been on Bricklink for ages and now you bunch of twats have got me wanting to spend more money I don't have |
| 20:53 | < othila> | but I don't know how you'd do it without melting the plastic |
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| 20:55 | < huhwhozat> | bahaha that's a fun idea |
| 20:56 | < Malcolm> | The very idea of melting bricks makes me shudder |
| 20:56 | < Malcolm> | Shudder, I tell you |
| 20:57 | < huhwhozat> | 1x1 trans, it's like >$0.03 |
| 20:58 | < othila> | surely there's a way to make the ring and leave an open inset on the back |
| 20:58 | < othila> | that can be closed with some other non-heaty method |
| 20:58 | < othila> | considering rare gem mining practicies, I'd actually prefer a ring with a 1x1 trans lego bit in it :| |
| 20:59 | < huhwhozat> | yeah... about that :/ |
| 20:59 | < huhwhozat> | I actually have the ring picked out though. I'm waiting on my paycheck |
| 21:00 | < huhwhozat> | in the mean time, I'm not letting myself by anything but gas or food |
| 21:00 | < huhwhozat> | *buy |
| 21:01 | < huhwhozat> | I've been pretty bad about budget recently |
| 21:01 | < huhwhozat> | to the point where I'm dipping into savings |
| 21:01 | < Malcolm> | Gah |
| 21:01 | < Malcolm> | Always a trauma |
| 21:01 | < huhwhozat> | then again, car repairs are a major factor in that |
| 21:01 | < Malcolm> | Happens to me too regularly. The pains of being a full time graduate student |
| 21:02 | < othila> | personally I find the exorbitantly costly wedding ring tradition abhorent |
| 21:02 | < othila> | but I'm not married so whatever. |
| 21:02 | < Malcolm> | Ah well, I'll need to go on to Bricklink for the parts for the design contest prize, so.... |
| 21:02 | < Malcolm> | My wedding ring cost ?16 |
| 21:02 | < othila> | nice |
| 21:02 | < othila> | that's how you do it. |
| 21:02 | < Malcolm> | Plain silver, nothing fancy |
| 21:02 | < Malcolm> | Jaqui got hers for ?20 |
| 21:03 | < Malcolm> | To hell with this ?1000+ diamond nonsense |
| 21:03 | < Malcolm> | No offence to anyone who has bought such a thing, just not my cup of tea |
| 21:04 | < huhwhozat> | yeah, I'm not going that expensive, but I do want it to be precious, monetarily as well as sentimentally |
| 21:04 | < Malcolm> | Each to his/her own. |
| 21:04 | < huhwhozat> | the point being, it represents a significant effort on my part |
| 21:05 | < huhwhozat> | and yeah, I definitely considered going cheap and it makes a lot more sense |
| 21:05 | < huhwhozat> | but hey |
| 21:05 | < Soren> | Yeah, we've deferred rings until we can make them ourselves, which for me seems like the only kind of ring i would want anyway. |
| 21:05 | < huhwhozat> | ooooooooooooo |
| 21:05 | < huhwhozat> | I would be all for that, if I had any means/skill in precious metals |
| 21:13 | < huhwhozat> | hokay gotta go folks |
| 21:13 | < huhwhozat> | catch you later |
| 21:13 | < othila> | o/ |
| 21:13 | < Malcolm> | Au revoir |
| 21:15 | < Soren> | later! |
| 21:15 | | * othila goes afk |
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| 21:50 | < Madness> | quick question, how many single bits are in the garage kit? |
| 21:51 | < Soren> | a ton. Let me look it up. |
| 21:52 | < Madness> | Gonna vent some bricklink frustration on street fighter. |
| 21:52 | < Madness> | Need to virtually punch stuff. |
| 21:52 | <~McMartin> | Street Fighter X Mega Man! |
| 21:53 | <~McMartin> | Get your punchings *and* your giant robots |
| 21:53 | < Madness> | haven't tried that one yet. |
| 21:53 | <~McMartin> | It's pretty solid |
| 21:53 | < Madness> | I was going for a sf3.3 . |
| 21:53 | <~McMartin> | But it's also very explicitly a Mega Man game. |
| 21:53 | < Madness> | yeah I know the gist. |
| 21:54 | < Madness> | btw, curious to see which weapon beats which. |
| 21:54 | | * McMartin whistles innocently, having in fact cleared it |
| 21:54 | < Soren> | 590 parts. |
| 21:54 | < Madness> | :O |
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| 22:35 | < Madness> | uhm, the garage list is supposed to be able to create crawlers right? |
| 22:36 | < Madness> | Yet I see no white bits. |
| 22:38 | < Madness> | aah, ok I got it. |
| 22:42 | < Madness> | uhm how interchangeable are 44675 and 30602 ? (Slope, Curved 2 x 2 No Studs, 3 Side Ports Recessed/Slope, Curved 2 x 2 Lip, No Studs) |
| 22:46 | < othila> | totally, or not at all |
| 22:46 | < othila> | depending on what you need them for |
| 22:46 | < othila> | if you're just using them as Scrambler knees or Chub bellies, it really doesn't matter |
| 22:47 | < othila> | the 3 side ports one is a bit smaller |
| 22:47 | < othila> | low profile |
| 22:47 | < othila> | the other one is bigger and sleeker |
| 22:55 | < Madness> | uhm, an almost complete version hits me for about 30EUR |
| 22:55 | < Madness> | it would be nice to figure out what is NOT in the list, but yea. |
| 22:56 | < Madness> | ah, pincers. |
| 22:56 | < Madness> | 1L with Clip Mechanical Claw |
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| 23:44 | < Madness> | Interesting. There's a LOT of speculation on a small amount of parts. |
| 23:47 | < Soren> | yep |
| 23:48 | < Madness> | Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Bar Frame Octagonal and Brick, Modified 1 x 1 with Studs on 4 Sides seems to be the main culprits. |
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| 23:49 | < Madness> | and they both have "33" in their code. |
| 23:49 | < Madness> | Coincidence? |
| 23:49 | < Madness> | I DON'T THINK SO. |
| 23:50 | < Soren> | I'm going to come clean here. t first, we thought we were protecting people. |
| 23:50 | < Soren> | at* |
| 23:51 | < Madness> | dang. |
| 23:51 | < Madness> | I need Cage's number. |
| 23:52 | < Madness> | Man, I'm so tempted to seek out the lowest price stores for each piece, bulk order, and resell packaged. |
| 23:53 | < Soren> | some sellers do that. There's not a ton of money in it, but there's some. |
| 23:57 | < othila> | there's certainly a little bit of a market for it right now with mf0 |
| 23:58 | < Madness> | hmm, I might take the garage kit |
| 23:58 | < Madness> | remove all the aestethic parts |
| 23:58 | < Madness> | and sell the geary bits in a set |
| 23:59 | < Madness> | and multiple colored part kits |
| 23:59 | < Soren> | we thought about doing that, actually. |
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