| --- Log opened Sun Jul 08 00:00:34 2012 |
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| 00:06 | < Mantisking> | Evening, people. |
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| 00:19 | < afny> | alo Mantis |
| 00:24 | < Mantisking> | Allo. |
| 00:30 | | * Noah does the idle jig. |
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| 00:48 | < afny> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1767 |
| 00:48 | < afny> | this |
| 00:48 | < afny> | it hurts me. |
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| 01:41 | < CaGeRit> | Hey all. |
| 01:41 | < MoF0-3655> | Hey. |
| 01:41 | | MoF0-3655 is now known as Mantisking |
| 01:41 | < DeathZero> | yo. |
| 01:41 | < CaGeRit> | I'm starting to regret trying to get an airbrush running |
| 01:42 | < CaGeRit> | Thing is a PITA. |
| 01:42 | < Mantisking> | What are you airbrushing? |
| 01:42 | < CaGeRit> | Miniatures. |
| 01:42 | < Mantisking> | Ah. |
| 01:42 | < CaGeRit> | Large minis anyway, tanks, warjacks, ect. |
| 01:46 | < CaGeRit> | I made the mistake of getting a tankless compressor, so I had to go and add a tank to prevent surge, then after tracking down all of the leaks I find that in order for the regulator to keep the psi down to a level that one would airbrush minis it needs to vent air causing the aircompressor to constantly be on because it wants to keep it at 57 psi so now I have to research how prone the ting is to overheat, |
| 01:47 | < CaGeRit> | Also it was 100 degrees true temp with a heat index of ~107 and my garage, where I do all of this is not air conditioned. |
| 01:48 | < CaGeRit> | Now I'm binging on cookies to feel better. |
| 02:00 | < Mantisking> | Damn. |
| 02:01 | < Mantisking> | I can't believe they let that fight continue. |
| 02:04 | < DeathZero> | o_O |
| 02:05 | < Mantisking> | The Philippou vs. Fukuda fight is what I was talking about. |
| 02:05 | < CaGeRit> | Boxing? |
| 02:06 | < Mantisking> | MMA. |
| 02:06 | < DeathZero> | ah. |
| 02:06 | < Mantisking> | Philippou took a poke in the eye that looked awful. |
| 02:07 | < CaGeRit> | Oh, and I realized now that we have added poop to our motd we have placed ourselves shoulder to shoulder with the likes of the great Mozart. |
| 02:08 | < CaGeRit> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart_and_scatology |
| 02:11 | < Mantisking> | I'm not sure what to think of that. |
| 02:19 | < DeathZero> | o_o |
| 02:19 | < DeathZero> | umm, yea. |
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| 02:56 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | Yo |
| 02:58 | < CaGeRit> | Muhahaha |
| 02:58 | < CaGeRit> | I am victorious. |
| 02:59 | < CaGeRit> | Overly complex airbrush setup-0 me-1 |
| 03:01 | < CaGeRit> | One last hurdle and I can put this project in the sucessfuly completed file. |
| 03:08 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | Whatcha doin? |
| 03:11 | < neoaez1> | Ferret, how'd the game go this afternoon? |
| 03:18 | < CaGeRit> | I was mounting an aircompressor to my mobile work bench so I can run an airbrush. |
| 03:19 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | Cool |
| 03:19 | < CaGeRit> | Not cool. |
| 03:19 | < CaGeRit> | Headache inducing. |
| 03:20 | < CaGeRit> | It has taken me 3 weeks worth of weekends and several trips to the hardware store to get it sorted. |
| 03:21 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | So, I'm figuring that it wasn't a simple 'place and fasten' job. |
| 03:21 | < CaGeRit> | I just have one last issue to attend to, a shoddy regulator, before I can say I'm done with it. |
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| 03:21 | < CaGeRit> | Well, Ive never done it before so I made a few mistakes. And by a few mistakes, just about every mistake one could make. |
| 03:22 | < CaGeRit> | I got a compressor without a tank thinking that the internal storage would be enough to run an airbrush at low psi. |
| 03:22 | < CaGeRit> | Ended up surging so I had to get an 1/2 gallon tank and attach it wiht a hose. |
| 03:22 | < CaGeRit> | I thought because my compressor was made in america that the fitting was also made in america, wrong, it was metric. |
| 03:23 | < CaGeRit> | So after trying a number of adapters I still couldn't fenangle it so i cut the output threads off and ended up soddering it to an american fitting, wrapping it in ducttape (because of the exosed lead) and hooked it up that way. |
| 03:23 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | Made in America legally means that its final assembly was done in America. |
| 03:24 | < CaGeRit> | After that because I had nearly trippled the number of connections I had to go back and teflon tape all of them to stop all of the small leaks |
| 03:24 | < CaGeRit> | @ferrelFerret_phone I realize that, but I wasn't thinking. |
| 03:25 | < CaGeRit> | Then my regulator decided that it doesn't like being run at a very low psi so I think I have to ditch it for a more expensive and more sensitive one. |
| 03:25 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | Yeah, seems like a lot of work. :/ |
| 03:25 | < CaGeRit> | Yea... |
| 03:25 | < CaGeRit> | But I learned somthing through all of this. Next time, just get a compressor with a tank. |
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| 03:26 | < CaGeRit> | Also, it doesn't matter what size fittings you have, as long as they are brass you can dremel them apart and sodder them together in what ever configuration you want. |
| 03:26 | < CaGeRit> | It just won't be pretty. |
| 03:26 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | The hardest thing mechanically I had to do this week was fix my mom's radiator hose because a plastic T broke. |
| 03:27 | < CaGeRit> | In her car? |
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| 03:28 | <@randolph> | Did you replace it with a light bley pneumatic T-bar? |
| 03:29 | <@randolph> | Hey Soren |
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| 03:29 | < Mantisking> | Hey all. |
| 03:30 | <@randolph> | Hey MK |
| 03:30 | < CaGeRit> | Hey |
| 03:30 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | @randolph you know it! |
| 03:30 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | Hey |
| 03:31 | < Mantisking> | How's everyone doing? |
| 03:32 | < CaGeRit> | Alright. |
| 03:32 | < CaGeRit> | My fingers hurt though. |
| 03:32 | < CaGeRit> | I think I'm going to hit up the eliptical one more time before going to bed, so cya all in a bit. |
| 03:36 | < Mantisking> | Walk on. |
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| 04:23 | < CaGeRit> | And I'm back |
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| 07:58 | <@Soren> | Hello! |
| 07:58 | < CalaveraJoe> | Heya Soren |
| 08:00 | <@Soren> | dicking around with some coins to accompany my peach bills. |
| 08:00 | < CalaveraJoe> | o_O? |
| 08:05 | <@Soren> | just the designs, not planning on attempting to smelt metal and cast any. |
| 08:05 | <@Soren> | ...awesome as that would be... |
| 08:05 | < CalaveraJoe> | hehe |
| 08:11 | <@Soren> | flowerpots and aluminum cans would be enough. But the coin press would be slightly more complex. |
| 08:11 | < CalaveraJoe> | Yeah |
| 08:11 | <@Soren> | Also, super awkward to explain to someone who thought I was counterfeiting real money. |
| 08:12 | < CalaveraJoe> | hehe |
| 08:12 | <@Soren> | "No, you see, it's not actually money anywhere. It just looks and feel exactly like mo- okay, yeah, I see the problem." |
| 08:16 | <@randolph> | hee |
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| 08:18 | < CalaveraJoe> | Whoops! |
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| 08:32 | <@Ced23Ric> | <3 |
| 08:33 | < CalaveraJoe> | Nice to see that rumors of your death are greatly exaggerated |
| 08:33 | <@Ced23Ric> | Greatly, indeed. |
| 08:33 | <@Ced23Ric> | I'm just not doing too much anymore. :D |
| 08:33 | < CalaveraJoe> | Burn yourself out? |
| 08:34 | <@Ced23Ric> | Yeah, pretty much. |
| 08:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | Not much fun to just build and build and build, faster than I could order parts, faster than I would find people to play with. |
| 08:36 | < CalaveraJoe> | *nodnod* |
| 08:48 | < CalaveraJoe> | *eyeballs the clock* I should /probably/ go to sleep. Rib is still tender (dislocated it, again, thanks to the tot) and the baby will almost certainly be awake too early for my taste |
| 08:48 | < CalaveraJoe> | Yes, that's right, a 1 year old caused me to /dislocate/ a rib. Kid's kill ya |
| 08:48 | < CalaveraJoe> | Night folks! |
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| 10:00 | <@Soren> | he's gone! Quick, break out the liquor! |
| 10:13 | <@Ced23Ric> | I am breaking out the coffee. |
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| 13:28 | < afny> | argh |
| 13:28 | < afny> | Ced, I now know how you felt about PerplexingTheorist |
| 13:28 | <@Ced23Ric> | Why? :D |
| 13:28 | < afny> | everything about this Xail Jaderune guy makes me rage |
| 13:28 | <@Ced23Ric> | Bwahahaha. |
| 13:28 | < afny> | RAGE |
| 13:28 | <@Ced23Ric> | What he do? |
| 13:28 | < afny> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1766&p=13159#p13159 |
| 13:28 | < afny> | this post in your thread in particular |
| 13:28 | < afny> | but posting that rant about mobile armor in the forge |
| 13:29 | < afny> | and some stuff he said in his intro as well |
| 13:29 | <@Ced23Ric> | I don't get where he is coming from. |
| 13:29 | <@Ced23Ric> | What does the color have to do with anything? |
| 13:30 | < afny> | Well he's talking about Gundam, I presume |
| 13:30 | < afny> | where the protagonist usually happens to have a brightly colored mech |
| 13:30 | < afny> | and a lot of the time they're killing people who have green or tan mechs or whatever |
| 13:30 | < afny> | but like, that isn't the point of Gundam AT ALL |
| 13:31 | < afny> | I hate people who have the mentality that the patriot in the brightly colored mech/tank/under the brightly colored flag |
| 13:31 | < afny> | is somehow INHERENTLY right |
| 13:31 | < afny> | or the hero |
| 13:31 | < afny> | just because of those colors, or because they're the protagonist |
| 13:31 | < afny> | It implies a belief in inherent morality |
| 13:31 | < afny> | which is super dangerous |
| 13:31 | < afny> | and super misguided |
| 13:32 | < afny> | it's what starts holy wars |
| 13:32 | < afny> | and not in the cool fight for what you believe in Ijad holy wars. |
| 13:32 | < afny> | I mean the GOD TOLD ME I WAS RIGHT SO I WILL KILL YOU ALL holy wars. |
| 13:33 | < afny> | anyway, I DISLIKE HIM |
| 13:34 | < afny> | now I'm going to eat spaghetti for breakfast. |
| 13:36 | <@Ced23Ric> | I replied. |
| 13:41 | < afny> | his assumptions are bad and he should feel bad. |
| 13:42 | <@Ced23Ric> | Indeed. |
| 14:00 | <@Soren> | Kev: I am cheerfully willing to step on this guy's dick with you. |
| 14:00 | <@Soren> | (had the window closed for dinner) |
| 14:01 | < afny> | I hope you're wearing boots |
| 14:01 | <@Soren> | steel-toes with cleats. I have dedicated cockstomping boots. |
| 14:02 | < afny> | probably a good idea, considering the mess. |
| 14:11 | <@Ced23Ric> | Gundam. *shivers* |
| 14:12 | < afny> | NOT THE POINT OF GUNDAM |
| 14:12 | | * afny blearharhrgh |
| 14:12 | <@Ced23Ric> | Maybe. |
| 14:12 | <@Soren> | all I'm going to say is that the good is very good, the bad I'm right there with you, and you're never going to learn more so could we leave it? |
| 14:12 | <@Ced23Ric> | That dude's part of the problem. |
| 14:12 | <@Soren> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?p=13165#p13165 also, taunted. |
| 14:12 | <@Soren> | He is. |
| 14:13 | <@Soren> | I bet he death-grips it to the worst parts. |
| 14:13 | <@Soren> | brb |
| 14:14 | <@Ced23Ric> | I don't think I can force myself to watch Gundam to find the good. :| |
| 14:14 | < afny> | Haha I'm glad someone else thinks his signature is terrifying |
| 14:14 | <@Ced23Ric> | I skipped it entirely. |
| 14:14 | <@Ced23Ric> | Now that I see it, I am most appalled by the capitalisation. |
| 14:15 | <@Ced23Ric> | But then I remember a phrase a heard elsewhere. |
| 14:15 | <@Ced23Ric> | A hero is the someone causing the deaths of others. |
| 14:15 | <@Ced23Ric> | -the |
| 14:19 | < afny> | I'd disagree with that definition too, but it's definitely more realistic |
| 14:20 | <@Soren> | I dunno, my definition of a hero is usually something like 'that guy in all the shiny crap who so helpfully draws fire off me and my buddies.' |
| 14:30 | < afny> | hm |
| 14:31 | < afny> | I really like tril's suggestion for the coins |
| 14:31 | <@Soren> | I'm tempted. |
| 14:32 | <@Soren> | I think almost anything will yield a more visually appealing icon, though. A peach pit is pretty lumpy and indistinct. |
| 14:32 | < afny> | I wasn't imagining it having a picture of a peach pit on it |
| 14:33 | < afny> | I was thinking like |
| 14:33 | < afny> | an embossed transit gate on one side |
| 14:33 | < afny> | and maybe the same peach icon on the other |
| 14:33 | <@Soren> | oh, it's possible. |
| 14:34 | <@Soren> | I'll put everything on the list, although we'd need to figure out what a transit gate looks like first. |
| 14:34 | < afny> | true |
| 14:34 | <@Soren> | I'm not making that call without J on hand to veto. |
| 14:43 | < afny> | Okay so |
| 14:43 | < afny> | that Xail guy's occupation is listed as "Surveillance Tech" |
| 14:44 | < afny> | that just makes his sig SO much creepier. |
| 14:54 | <@Soren> | Yep. |
| 14:55 | <@Soren> | Fortunately Michigan is an asshole outside of Detroit and Ann Arbor, which are the only parts of it I'm every likely to visit, so I feel completely free to call him a gutter fascist and get away with it. |
| 14:56 | <@Soren> | -y |
| 15:35 | | * Noah does the awake jig |
| 15:35 | <@Soren> | with or without your underwear on? |
| 15:35 | | * Ced23Ric never wakes up with underwear. |
| 15:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | Matter of principle. |
| 15:35 | < Noah> | Sans underware, pro pants |
| 15:49 | | * FerrelFerret yawns, squinty-eyed, 'Morning..." -_- |
| 15:52 | < DeathZero> | o_o forgot to close this before I went to bed. lol. |
| 15:52 | < DeathZero> | mornin folks. |
| 15:55 | <+FerrelFerret> | Ohayo. |
| 15:55 | < DeathZero> | lmao. I just read the backlog here about Mr. Mobile Armor. I had a feeling he was going to be recieved in a fashion such as this. |
| 15:56 | | * afny seethes |
| 15:58 | <+FerrelFerret> | I personally just ignore people like that. |
| 15:58 | < DeathZero> | XD I'm more amused by you guys and your reactions to him than his horrible idea. I love Gundam, but that idea has no real place here. |
| 15:58 | < afny> | It's not really the mobile armor thing that bothers me |
| 15:58 | <+FerrelFerret> | I pretty much ignore most of the Fan Rules |
| 15:59 | < afny> | it's his other comments that got me mad, I could care less about his fan rule |
| 15:59 | < DeathZero> | I've not really even delved into that board much. I'm still focusing on all the RAW. |
| 16:00 | <+FerrelFerret> | Iwhat the 'dying for the hero' comment? |
| 16:00 | < afny> | Yeah, that was the main one |
| 16:00 | < DeathZero> | Oh, the assumptions that because a mech is a certain color it should be cannon fodder, and that, ferret beat me to that one. |
| 16:01 | <+FerrelFerret> | See, that's what |
| 16:01 | <+FerrelFerret> | I mean |
| 16:01 | < afny> | It's not just the color thing, either |
| 16:01 | < afny> | it's the deeper issue that some people are inherently heroes, and some people are inherently fodder |
| 16:01 | <@Soren> | I have a feeling I will be compelled to make fun of him for a long-ass time. |
| 16:01 | < afny> | it's just icing on the cake that he thinks those roles are color coded |
| 16:02 | <+FerrelFerret> | See, I just Ignore people that say stupid things. |
| 16:02 | <+FerrelFerret> | like that' |
| 16:02 | <+FerrelFerret> | Plus, I never get upset by peoples opinions... |
| 16:02 | <@Soren> | I think that's sound policy, but that it soothes the soul to humiliate them from time to time. |
| 16:03 | < DeathZero> | Yea, thats why I didn't post in his thread. |
| 16:03 | < DeathZero> | I had nothing good to say. |
| 16:03 | <+FerrelFerret> | I'd not hang out here or on the forums if I did |
| 16:03 | <@Soren> | I don't think anyone's upset. |
| 16:04 | <@Ced23Ric> | No, we just despise him. |
| 16:04 | <@Soren> | I'm not upset when stupid little dogs shit in the street outside my door. I'm upset when they shit on my floor. |
| 16:04 | <@Soren> | He's just shitting on himself, which, hey, go ahead. |
| 16:04 | < DeathZero> | lmao |
| 16:05 | < DeathZero> | nicely put. |
| 16:05 | <@Soren> | I'll sit over here, a safe distance away, and eat my popcorn, pausing from time to time to throw the kernels that didn't pop at you. |
| 16:05 | < afny> | I'm upset, but only because I choose to be and I feel like I'll probably be able to take it out on him cathartically. |
| 16:06 | <@Soren> | Let's be realistic, the dude is probably swimming in stupid ideas and poorly-thought-out opinions. |
| 16:06 | < afny> | That's why it's so EXCITING. |
| 16:06 | <@Soren> | Much like a small dog covered in its own shit. |
| 16:06 | < afny> | Yes, exactly. |
| 16:06 | < afny> | EXCITING. |
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| 16:07 | <@Soren> | There, much better. |
| 16:07 | <+DeathZero> | :D |
| 16:07 | <+afny> | Noah is so lazy he can't even make himself Operator |
| 16:07 | <+afny> | can't even put on PANTS. |
| 16:07 | <@Noah> | I have pants |
| 16:07 | <+DeathZero> | I'ma go get a bowl of cereal, back momentarily. |
| 16:07 | <@Noah> | Just not operator |
| 16:07 | <+afny> | A likely story. |
| 16:08 | <@Soren> | Nah, he just refuses to wear pants that aren't the OPants. |
| 16:08 | <@Noah> | Er, underwear |
| 16:08 | <+FerrelFerret> | Pants are overrated at home |
| 16:08 | <+FerrelFerret> | only time they are needed is out and about |
| 16:08 | <+FerrelFerret> | ;) |
| 16:08 | <@Noah> | Actually, McMartin is founder temporarily until I'm sure things are stable around here |
| 16:09 | <@Noah> | Here, being, the place I live |
| 16:10 | | * FerrelFerret trying to figure out what to do for brunch... |
| 16:10 | <+afny> | pancakes |
| 16:11 | <+afny> | under the windshield wipers. |
| 16:11 | <@Noah> | FerrelFerret: Egg sandwiches |
| 16:11 | <+FerrelFerret> | B.E.L.T.... |
| 16:11 | <+FerrelFerret> | sounds good to me |
| 16:12 | <+FerrelFerret> | Noah: Thanks for the inspiration. :) |
| 16:13 | <@Noah> | yar |
| 16:14 | <@Soren> | if you feel super decadent, egg and pancake sandwiches. |
| 16:14 | <@Soren> | savory pancakes are vastly underrated. |
| 16:14 | <+DeathZero> | I sell pancake sausage and egg sandwiches at my work. |
| 16:15 | <@Noah> | I'm pro-waffles |
| 16:15 | <+DeathZero> | French toast! o_O |
| 16:15 | <+DeathZero> | Yeaaaa toast! |
| 16:15 | <@Noah> | Two waffles used to sandwich egg, cheese, and bacon |
| 16:16 | <+afny> | If you can work some avocado into this mix, you're gold |
| 16:16 | <+afny> | just a slice, fry it up and add it to the sandwich |
| 16:16 | <+DeathZero> | I'll pass, thanks. |
| 16:16 | <@Soren> | mm. |
| 16:16 | <+DeathZero> | Not an avocado person. |
| 16:16 | <@Soren> | I'll have yours, I come from a place where avocado is regularly used to sub in for ham. |
| 16:16 | <@Noah> | Maybe avacado, and regular toast instead of waffles |
| 16:17 | <+FerrelFerret> | I like the Bacon Egg Lettuce Tomato Sammich |
| 16:17 | <+DeathZero> | There is no sub for ham! o_o |
| 16:17 | <+FerrelFerret> | Turkey ham |
| 16:17 | <@Soren> | I've been eating a lot of pitas lately. They're super cheap in the stores here. |
| 16:17 | <+DeathZero> | ...no. |
| 16:17 | <+FerrelFerret> | As I do not eat Pork |
| 16:17 | <@Soren> | there's something special about toasted ham and cheese in a pita. |
| 16:17 | <+DeathZero> | >_> |
| 16:18 | <+FerrelFerret> | so, pork products are replace by turkey or vegan substitutes |
| 16:19 | <+DeathZero> | You're missing out on one of lifes great joys. |
| 16:19 | <+DeathZero> | stuffing your face with tastey pig bits. |
| 16:19 | <+FerrelFerret> | not really |
| 16:20 | <+FerrelFerret> | I could feed you a sammich, and you wouldn't know the difference |
| 16:20 | <+DeathZero> | o_O I totally could. |
| 16:20 | <+DeathZero> | turkey does not taste like pig. |
| 16:20 | <@Noah> | Hey guys, I'm torrenting. I'm torrenting, guys. Guess what I'm torrenting, guys. Guess. |
| 16:21 | <+FerrelFerret> | as, I'm a guy that loved his ham and Bacon once upon a time, I'd beg to differ |
| 16:21 | <+DeathZero> | I've tried turkey bacon before. |
| 16:21 | <+FerrelFerret> | I like Ham and Bacon, I just don't eat them anymore |
| 16:21 | <+DeathZero> | I was horribly disappointed. |
| 16:22 | <+DeathZero> | don't worry, I'll eat your share for you. |
| 16:22 | <@Soren> | I've adopted a policy of eating everything I think tastes good, but trying to eat a healthy diet full of veggies as a default. |
| 16:22 | <+DeathZero> | I'm on a see-food diet. |
| 16:22 | <@Soren> | since my body likes me more when I do that. |
| 16:22 | <+DeathZero> | I see food, I eat it. |
| 16:23 | <@Soren> | Well, also, I have to go into a tiny box of shame to buy pork here. |
| 16:23 | <+DeathZero> | o_O? |
| 16:23 | <@Soren> | Yeah, there's a special non-halal section in Malaysian supermarkets. |
| 16:23 | <+DeathZero> | Oh |
| 16:23 | <+DeathZero> | XD |
| 16:23 | <@Soren> | it's like a tiny lake of pork products. |
| 16:24 | <+DeathZero> | where they can watch the hethen get his pork |
| 16:24 | <@Soren> | Nobody fucks with you over it, it's just a social reality. |
| 16:26 | <+afny> | well I need to go make an omelette now |
| 16:26 | <+FerrelFerret> | I avoid processed foods, eat lots of veggies. |
| 16:26 | <+afny> | spaghetti for breakfast, breakfast for lunch |
| 16:27 | <+FerrelFerret> | then I follow religious dietary laws as well |
| 16:27 | <+DeathZero> | I don't discrimate based on how healthy or unhealthy a food is. |
| 16:27 | <+DeathZero> | I discriminate based on how food tastes. |
| 16:28 | <@Soren> | That's a pretty good rule, although I have often found that there's no particular reason healthy food has to taste awful. |
| 16:28 | <+FerrelFerret> | I don't either, but I was raised in a family where the healthier food reigned as king |
| 16:28 | <@Noah> | NO ONE IS GUESSING. HERE IS HINT. IT'S VOTOMS. |
| 16:28 | <@Soren> | I figured. |
| 16:28 | <@Soren> | Oh, I know that one! |
| 16:29 | <+DeathZero> | Also, I'm one of those people with a super high metabolism. My body processes everything it takes in. I'm 28 now and have never weighed over 110 pounds. |
| 16:29 | <@Soren> | Where eating well is merely a more secular and better sublimated form of Puritan bodily denial |
| 16:29 | <+DeathZero> | o_O Where did VOTOM's come into this? |
| 16:29 | <+afny> | That doesn't mean you shouldn't eat healthy |
| 16:29 | <+afny> | you just have to eat MORE |
| 16:29 | <+DeathZero> | I just eat whatever. |
| 16:29 | <+afny> | (not saying you don't eat healthy, but everyone should think critically about their diet) |
| 16:29 | <@Noah> | DeathZero: Before this stopped being #mf0 and started being #foodies |
| 16:30 | <+DeathZero> | lol. |
| 16:30 | <+FerrelFerret> | to this day, get my brothers together and have a table full of chips and normal party food... |
| 16:30 | <+FerrelFerret> | and a bowl of veggies... |
| 16:30 | <+FerrelFerret> | and we demolish the veggies first |
| 16:30 | <+FerrelFerret> | I LOVE veggies |
| 16:30 | <+DeathZero> | I might nibble on the veggies but the rest of the table would be my "bread and butter" |
| 16:31 | <+FerrelFerret> | I just could never be a vegan, cause I do like meat |
| 16:31 | <@Soren> | and here I do crazy shit like battering and frying broccoli. |
| 16:31 | <@Ced23Ric> | And here I am looking forward to today's meal. |
| 16:31 | <+FerrelFerret> | Not crazy at all |
| 16:31 | <@Soren> | (which is pretty good, if it's light) |
| 16:31 | <+DeathZero> | fry everything! |
| 16:31 | <+DeathZero> | :D |
| 16:31 | <@Noah> | I made filet mignon last night |
| 16:31 | <@Ced23Ric> | Dumplings, roasted chanterelles with onions, beef hip steak, beans and gamey mushroom sauce. |
| 16:31 | <@Soren> | Oh, dumplings. |
| 16:31 | <@Ced23Ric> | With toast inside. |
| 16:32 | <+FerrelFerret> | http://goo.gl/dmK0w |
| 16:33 | <@Soren> | Man, I didn't need to know that. |
| 16:33 | <@Soren> | People are tremendously stupid. |
| 16:33 | <@Ced23Ric> | Adam Sandler, of all people, is. |
| 16:33 | <+FerrelFerret> | sorry, worng link |
| 16:33 | <+FerrelFerret> | http://goo.gl/Ib2Vn |
| 16:34 | <+FerrelFerret> | made those last weekend |
| 16:34 | <+DeathZero> | o_O |
| 16:34 | <+FerrelFerret> | I hated brussels sprouts |
| 16:34 | <+DeathZero> | No offense, but that looks horrible |
| 16:34 | <+FerrelFerret> | but I love these |
| 16:34 | <+afny> | it looks delicious :| |
| 16:35 | <+FerrelFerret> | none taken |
| 16:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | I love Brussel Sporuts. |
| 16:35 | <@Noah> | I've always loved brussel sprouts. |
| 16:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | I could eat those for days. |
| 16:35 | <@Soren> | Yeah, I got my whole extended family to love them after I did them that way. |
| 16:35 | <+DeathZero> | No sprouts for me. o_o |
| 16:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | Whenever my mom makes some, I eat them out of the pot. |
| 16:35 | <+FerrelFerret> | they have bacon |
| 16:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | And she slaps my fingers. |
| 16:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | And then I steal more. |
| 16:35 | <@Ced23Ric> | And if there are leftovers, I eat those, too. |
| 16:36 | <@Soren> | You know what makes them awesome, though? |
| 16:36 | <@Soren> | Cheese sauce. |
| 16:36 | <@Ced23Ric> | Fucking love those things. |
| 16:36 | <@Ced23Ric> | Butter. |
| 16:36 | <@Noah> | Hell, I was a vegetarian until about 4. |
| 16:36 | <+afny> | cheese sauce makes everything awesome |
| 16:36 | <@Ced23Ric> | BUTTER AND NUTMEG. |
| 16:36 | <@Soren> | especially goat cheese sauce. |
| 16:36 | <@Ced23Ric> | AND NUTMEG. |
| 16:36 | <+FerrelFerret> | GOAT CHEESE! |
| 16:36 | <@Noah> | Then I finally started liking meat. And of course now I love meat |
| 16:36 | <@Ced23Ric> | AND NUTMEG. |
| 16:36 | <@Soren> | but of course. |
| 16:36 | <@Noah> | I love all food |
| 16:36 | <@Noah> | Except |
| 16:36 | <@Ced23Ric> | Yay. |
| 16:36 | <@Noah> | WHITE GRAVY |
| 16:37 | <+DeathZero> | mmmm gravy. |
| 16:37 | <@Soren> | white gravies are pretty terrifying. But if you make your own with pork stock it's less so. |
| 16:37 | <+FerrelFerret> | I put sriracha on everything |
| 16:37 | <@Soren> | A man after my own heart. |
| 16:37 | <+FerrelFerret> | http://goo.gl/6ykXJ |
| 16:37 | <@Soren> | sriracha on homefries is magical. |
| 16:37 | <+DeathZero> | The 9 year old in my brain just noticed......Noah said he loves meat. |
| 16:38 | <+DeathZero> | >_> |
| 16:38 | <@Noah> | I said meat |
| 16:38 | <@Noah> | Not huge throbbing penises. |
| 16:38 | <+afny> | I said huge throbbing penises |
| 16:38 | <+afny> | not meat. |
| 16:38 | <+DeathZero> | XD |
| 16:39 | <+afny> | I've never had sriracha but I do love hot sauce |
| 16:39 | <+afny> | what's it comparable to? |
| 16:39 | <@Noah> | Like eating burning napalm |
| 16:39 | <+afny> | I've got a pretty high capsaicin threshold |
| 16:39 | <+DeathZero> | No hot/spicey foods for me. I don't do well with them. |
| 16:40 | <@Soren> | Kev, you should go out and get some. It's the world's finest hot sauce. |
| 16:40 | <@Noah> | It's actually not that hot |
| 16:40 | <@Soren> | it's like having your tongue napalmed by little angels of flavor. |
| 16:41 | <+afny> | i'll try a couple different kinds, apparently its Americanized iterations aren't as sweet |
| 16:41 | <@Soren> | Yeah, it's not incredibly spicy. But it's really delicious. |
| 16:41 | <+FerrelFerret> | Yeah |
| 16:41 | <+FerrelFerret> | good stuff |
| 16:41 | <+FerrelFerret> | I really put it on everything |
| 16:41 | <+FerrelFerret> | :) |
| 16:42 | <@Soren> | You should try sriracha in guacamole. It's the best. |
| 16:42 | <@Noah> | It's comparable to a decent chipotle sauce |
| 16:42 | <+FerrelFerret> | http://www.huyfong.com/no_frames/sriracha.htm |
| 16:42 | <+FerrelFerret> | that's the one I get |
| 16:43 | <+FerrelFerret> | and All the asians I know |
| 16:43 | <+afny> | I must've had it before now that I see the bottle |
| 16:43 | <+afny> | I had a friend who put Frank's RedHot on everything |
| 16:43 | <+afny> | in my opinion, the worst north american hotsauce |
| 16:43 | <+afny> | I've ever tasted |
| 16:44 | <+FerrelFerret> | worse than tobasco ? |
| 16:44 | <+afny> | it's much worse |
| 16:44 | <+afny> | I don't mind tabasco |
| 16:45 | <@Soren> | Tabasco has the crowning virtue of being unremarkable. |
| 16:45 | <+afny> | it's bland but not bad |
| 16:45 | <+afny> | yea |
| 16:45 | <+afny> | franks is SO BLAND it's bad |
| 16:45 | <@Soren> | It's nothing special, it's everywhere, and people generally don't have strong opinions about it. |
| 16:46 | <@Soren> | On the other hand, sometimes people develop an attachment to other bad hot sauces. |
| 16:46 | <+afny> | it's pretty common in my experience |
| 16:46 | <+afny> | people have one sauce that they love |
| 16:47 | <+FerrelFerret> | http://youtu.be/j-5j26aej-g |
| 16:48 | <+FerrelFerret> | That's me, with the beard |
| 16:49 | <+FerrelFerret> | it was 106-110 F outside |
| 16:49 | <+DeathZero> | o_o too damn hot! |
| 16:51 | <+FerrelFerret> | yeah, existing after that was a chore |
| 16:52 | <+FerrelFerret> | the fair grounds apparently kept their water supply in darkly colored tanks left on the roof of the cotton bowl. ;? |
| 16:52 | <+FerrelFerret> | :? |
| 16:53 | <+FerrelFerret> | I'm going to get food now |
| 16:53 | <+FerrelFerret> | later |
| 16:53 | | FerrelFerret [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-30921e32.fios.verizon.net] has quit [[NS] Quit: ] |
| 16:54 | | MoF0-187 [rsbdnvbwein@Nightstar-da7fffe9.ma.comcast.net] has joined #mf0 |
| 16:54 | | MoF0-187 is now known as Mantisking |
| 16:54 | < Mantisking> | Hey. |
| 16:55 | <+DeathZero> | Yo. |
| 17:03 | < Mantisking> | How's it going? |
| 17:04 | <+DeathZero> | goin aight, trying to work this 4x3 cutout peice into a chest. |
| 17:06 | | CaGeRit [x@Nightstar-f0d9c21f.hr.cox.net] has joined #mf0 |
| 17:06 | < CaGeRit> | Sup |
| 17:07 | <+DeathZero> | yo |
| 17:07 | | FerrelFerret_phone [AndChat4505@Nightstar-1ddd0b86.tmodns.net] has joined #mf0 |
| 17:07 | | mode/#mf0 [+v FerrelFerret_phone] by ChanServ |
| 17:08 | <+DeathZero> | o_O |
| 17:09 | < Mantisking> | Looks like we have a sudden influx. |
| 17:11 | <+DeathZero> | ferret must be back with food. |
| 17:12 | <+afny> | usually people posting a bunch of pics of the same build to the flikr doesn't bother me |
| 17:12 | <+afny> | but it does when they're ldd screens :| |
| 17:12 | < CaGeRit> | Food where? |
| 17:12 | <+afny> | food time is over now |
| 17:12 | <+afny> | WE'RE ALL FULL. |
| 17:12 | < CaGeRit> | Aww |
| 17:12 | < CaGeRit> | Are there any crumbs left? |
| 17:12 | <+DeathZero> | the dog ate them |
| 17:13 | < CaGeRit> | Well thats ok I guess, I'll just eat my paint. |
| 17:13 | < CaGeRit> | Also we have dogs? |
| 17:13 | <+DeathZero> | Blink Dogs. |
| 17:13 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | Getting food actually. |
| 17:13 | < CaGeRit> | Blink dogs? |
| 17:13 | <+DeathZero> | D&D creature. |
| 17:14 | <+DeathZero> | Anyways, back in a bit. |
| 17:14 | < CaGeRit> | Hmm, interesting |
| 17:14 | < CaGeRit> | Well I guess I could make a nice blink Fricassee |
| 17:15 | <+afny> | any time anyone says the word Fricasee |
| 17:15 | <+afny> | I start laughing |
| 17:15 | | DeathZero is now known as DZ|Away |
| 17:15 | <+afny> | not because it's a funny word or anything, but because it's tied to an inane memory |
| 17:16 | < CaGeRit> | Most words are. |
| 17:16 | <+afny> | true |
| 17:16 | <+afny> | in a co op mech game I used to play, a guy on my squad was called Fricasee |
| 17:16 | <+afny> | he was Australian |
| 17:16 | <+afny> | and one day, he started to lag out so bad |
| 17:16 | <+afny> | his mech lifted up and started flying around, and then just slowly flew away from us |
| 17:16 | < CaGeRit> | lol |
| 17:16 | <+afny> | and he was still in comms range |
| 17:16 | <+afny> | but lagging out |
| 17:16 | <+afny> | so we could just hear this random Australian accented snippets |
| 17:17 | <+afny> | as he was drifting into the sunset |
| 17:17 | <+afny> | and then he went out of comms range and his icon went grey |
| 17:17 | <+afny> | and then a minute later he disconnected |
| 17:17 | <+afny> | it must've been so lonely for him, drifting out there |
| 17:17 | <+afny> | and mechs in that game couldn't even fly. |
| 17:21 | < CaGeRit> | Australians are hardcore like that. |
| 17:22 | < Mantisking> | Afny, you talking about Zero Revenge and GatlingGouf? |
| 17:23 | <+afny> | they're the most recent people to do it but people do it all the time |
| 17:23 | <+afny> | at least they had the common decency to not use the desert background. |
| 17:23 | < Mantisking> | Any more than two pictures of the same build seems excessive to me. |
| 17:24 | < Mantisking> | Pick the best shot and post it. |
| 17:25 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | I put all of mine on the flickr group, then realized it was bad form. |
| 17:25 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | So I removed them. |
| 17:25 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | Except one or two of each. |
| 17:25 | <+afny> | same |
| 17:26 | <+afny> | back in the OLDEN DAYS |
| 17:26 | <+afny> | but even then it doesn't bother me when people do it if they're real pictures |
| 17:27 | < Mantisking> | It bugs me. If I see a mech I like, I'll look at more pictures in the stream. |
| 17:27 | < Mantisking> | We don't need people spamming the group. |
| 17:28 | <+afny> | It's whatever, I just think LDD screens are ugly |
| 17:34 | < Mantisking> | There is that, too. |
| 17:34 | <@randolph> | Did I miss a kerfluffle? |
| 17:35 | <+afny> | several |
| 17:35 | <+afny> | also a truffle. |
| 17:35 | < Mantisking> | And a duffle. |
| 17:36 | < Mantisking> | And some Ruffles. |
| 17:36 | <@randolph> | uh...huh. |
| 17:36 | <@randolph> | I think it's pancake time. |
| 17:37 | <+afny> | AGAIN?! |
| 17:38 | < Mantisking> | Damn, and I'm hungry too. |
| 17:41 | | Malcolm [NSwebIRC@Nightstar-59fe008a.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #mf0 |
| 17:44 | < Mantisking> | Malcolm! |
| 17:44 | < Malcolm> | Hello |
| 17:45 | < Mantisking> | How are you? |
| 17:46 | <@Noah> | Hello Malcolm |
| 17:46 | < Malcolm> | Mired in 1970s Foreign Office documentation, if such a thing is possible or believable |
| 17:46 | <@Noah> | Wow...your job...rocks? |
| 17:47 | < Malcolm> | Hah! Not really a 'job' as such. Research for my doctoral thesis. |
| 17:47 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?p=13174#p13174 |
| 17:48 | < Mantisking> | Ferret, that opens another channel. |
| 17:49 | < Mantisking> | You talking about this? http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1770 |
| 17:51 | < Malcolm> | So, something I was mulling over with the intention of a fairly lengthy post on the MFH. But, it would probably be wise to throw some ideas around here for the time being. The Cult of Articulation. |
| 17:51 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | Yeah. Tapatalk is wonky |
| 17:52 | < Mantisking> | Fair warning, Ferret, I might lock it for the time being. |
| 17:52 | <+FerrelFerret_phone> | If you don't like it, I can remove it. |
| 17:52 | < Mantisking> | I'm not sure how I feel about it. |
| 17:52 | <+afny> | I think it's an interesting discussion |
| 17:52 | < Mantisking> | I know where you're coming from but, you should have checked with me, Cedric, or Schoon before posting. |
| 17:53 | <+afny> | my opinions of articulation at 7p have changed a lot, and rapidly |
| 17:53 | <+afny> | @Malcolm, I mean, not Ferret/Mantis |
| 17:53 | < Mantisking> | Afny, I understood. |
| 17:53 | < Malcolm> | @afny please expand. In what way? |
| 17:53 | <+afny> | Well, when I first started building for mfz |
| 17:54 | <@Noah> | T-bars, as far as the eye can see |
| 17:54 | < Mantisking> | Malcolm, I thought you were talking about Articulation in terms of writing not building. |
| 17:54 | <+afny> | (no lego finesse prior) |
| 17:54 | <+afny> | articulation was super important to me |
| 17:54 | <+afny> | but I realize now that I was sacrificing outline |
| 17:54 | <+afny> | these days I'm much more into outline |
| 17:54 | < Malcolm> | @Mantisking Hah! No, the articulation of bricks. That's amusing, though. |
| 17:54 | <+afny> | so if a frame LOOKS like it can articulate, that's good enough for me |
| 17:54 | <+afny> | at 7p scale, at least. |
| 17:55 | < Malcolm> | @afny Yes, that's along the lines I was thinking. At such a small scale, suggestion of function seems to me to be more important than actual function. Yet, there is a trend (to my eyes) where articulation becomes the be all and end all. And frames creep upwards in size. |
| 17:56 | < Malcolm> | Not that articulation in a build is per se a bad thing. |
| 17:56 | <+afny> | yeah, I completely agree |
| 17:56 | <+afny> | I like articulation when I can get it, but I think outline trumps it at this scale |
| 17:56 | <+afny> | there are so many frames I see that have great articulation, but they're outsized or their outline is just plain muddy because of it |
| 17:56 | < Malcolm> | Quite. |
| 17:56 | < Mantisking> | Being able to move and pose a frame is pretty cool. |
| 17:56 | <+afny> | and especially because there are so few articulation techniques that get memed around, frames tend to end up all looking the same |
| 17:57 | < Malcolm> | Indeed. Then again, there are some great frames (Mittenninja is very good at this) that do combine looks and articulation extremely well. But I'm finding that to be an increasingly rare commodity as the community expands. |
| 17:58 | < Malcolm> | I should note that this isn't bitching, just musing on what I've seen as the MFO community grows. |
| 17:58 | <+afny> | Yeah, same |
| 17:58 | <+afny> | The ORIGINAL super chub by MoralWarfare is the same |
| 17:59 | < Mantisking> | Getting overly complex is something I think we should avoid. |
| 17:59 | <+afny> | its got great artic and he paired it down where he could, but the color consideration and very small weapons bring it back in line while it would otherwise be out of hand |
| 18:01 | <@Noah> | I think the core rules could be expanded on, but I like the idea of each group adding what they want. Just like house rules for monopoly, etc |
| 18:04 | < Mantisking> | Noah, I think we're talking about building and not the rules at this point. |
| 18:04 | <@Noah> | Oh right |
| 18:08 | < Mantisking> | I don't go for a lot of articulation with my builds. If you can pose it a little, I'm happy. |
| 18:10 | < Malcolm> | If it looks good and/or is fun to use in play, that's what matters most. |
| 18:10 | <+afny> | a little hip splay, some arm movement, and a head and profile with personality are what matter to me |
| 18:11 | < Mantisking> | Also -- if it doesn't fall apart when you pick it up, that's good too. |
| 18:12 | <+afny> | yes, definitely a plus. |
| 18:12 | <@Soren> | In my experience articulation for the sake of articulation is the red queen's race. It's rarely beneficial without a defined end goal. |
| 18:12 | <+afny> | god, I threw ANOTHER fuchikoma yesterday |
| 18:12 | <+afny> | hey, I LOVE that analogy. |
| 18:13 | < Mantisking> | You threw a fuchikoma? across the room? |
| 18:14 | < Mantisking> | I'm not really getting the analogy, I'm guessing it has to do with "Alice in Wonderland"? |
| 18:14 | <@Soren> | Malcolm: I have a similar issue with the broader Cult Of Technique, but that's a Lego-community thing and not an MFZ-specific thing. |
| 18:15 | <@Soren> | Yes. |
| 18:15 | <@Soren> | Rat race, if you like. An arbitrary contest in which winning is completely decoupled from the stated rules. |
| 18:17 | < Malcolm> | @Soren: yes, I can see that. I think the Cult of Articulation (because I'm going to keep calling it that now!) certainly appears to be the MFZ-specific subset of that larger Cult. |
| 18:17 | <@Soren> | well, I have a whole thing about this. |
| 18:18 | < Malcolm> | Really? You surprise me. |
| 18:18 | <+afny> | Mantis: it has to do with Alice in Wonderland, but the metaphor is broadly related to evolution |
| 18:18 | <@Soren> | I've been dealing with this nest of dickweasels for much longer than you have. |
| 18:19 | <@Soren> | They're squirmy, bitey dickweasels. |
| 18:19 | < Mantisking> | Oh god, we've been infested by cultists! |
| 18:19 | <+afny> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen's_Hypothesis |
| 18:20 | <+afny> | also, I named a ship after it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyanosmoros/7263889390/in/set-72157629884597650 |
| 18:20 | < Malcolm> | @Soren You paint an arresting image, I'll say that |
| 18:20 | <@Soren> | I thought you might. |
| 18:21 | <+afny> | Can you elaborate on this Cult of Technique thing? |
| 18:21 | <@Soren> | sure. |
| 18:22 | <@Soren> | My thesis, which is kind of unpopular with dickweasels, is that obsessing over individual techniques is not only unhelpful but actively counterproductive. |
| 18:22 | <@Soren> | It doesn't matter who came up with something or used it first. What matter is why they did it, and whether it assisted their design goals, merely didn't hinder them, or is obviously cargo-cult me-too masturbation. |
| 18:24 | <@Soren> | The problem is that you see a lot of neat techniques chained together to make a generic thing. |
| 18:24 | <@Soren> | Sometimes it's an interesting thing, sometimes not. Usually not. |
| 18:24 | < Mantisking> | @ Malcolm, is this brought about by the turn of discussion in the MFZ Millionaires topic? |
| 18:25 | <@Soren> | But the idea that maybe you should be picking from a menu of techniques based on an end goal doesn't get much purchase, because it's too much like thinking. |
| 18:25 | <+afny> | Ah, yea |
| 18:25 | <@Soren> | It also nets you fewer comments on how awesome and studly your neat little disconnected tricks are. |
| 18:26 | <+afny> | that's exactly what I was talking about with the super chub legs |
| 18:26 | <+afny> | even calling it that is part of the problem :| |
| 18:26 | < Mantisking> | Seeing as I never get comments on technique, I'm fine with that. :D |
| 18:26 | < Malcolm> | @Mantisking: I've not even got past the first couple of posts in that thread. To me, it seemed like "Look how much I have!" willy-waving, so to speak. |
| 18:27 | <@Soren> | What I'd like to see is people stealing from one another gleefully, because good technique is useless unless you can apply it. |
| 18:28 | <@Soren> | Maybe when I do something and Zizy does something and they're the same thing, we aren't 'copying' or 'stealing', but we're doing the same thing because we both had goals that made it the good thing to do. |
| 18:28 | < Mantisking> | Makes sense. |
| 18:28 | <@Noah> | Soren steals all his frames from me, since I'm so awesome |
| 18:28 | <+afny> | I already view it that way. I mean, I tend to use the words copying and stealing |
| 18:28 | < Mantisking> | {* snerk *} |
| 18:28 | <+afny> | but somewhat ironically. |
| 18:28 | <@Noah> | But he bribes me in cookies, so I overlook it |
| 18:29 | <@Soren> | I do. IO sneak into your room and make off with samples, even. |
| 18:29 | <@Soren> | -o |
| 18:29 | <@Soren> | Well, this is a minority viewpoint of considerable unpopularity in Lego circles. |
| 18:29 | <@Soren> | LIke I said, dickweasels. |
| 18:29 | <@Soren> | With the squirmy and the bitey. |
| 18:29 | <@Noah> | "Lego circles" |
| 18:29 | <+afny> | So what's the deal, like |
| 18:30 | < Malcolm> | It's all too much like academia. Just like Kissinger said... |
| 18:30 | <+afny> | people would rather you make something using only "original" techniques? |
| 18:30 | <@Soren> | Wrestling with dickweasels is a good way to get tiny toothmarks on your junk. |
| 18:30 | <@Noah> | Sounds oxymoronic |
| 18:30 | <+afny> | or it's just the mentality that you have to credit every aspect of your build |
| 18:30 | <@Soren> | Mostly the latter. |
| 18:30 | <@Soren> | the former is good or bad depending, but I'd like it to just be irrelevant. |
| 18:31 | < Mantisking> | I wonder if any of the other art coommunities are like this. |
| 18:31 | <@Soren> | All arts communities are like this. In fact, they're usually worse, because they invovle way more drug use. |
| 18:31 | <@Soren> | involve* |
| 18:32 | < Mantisking> | @ Malcolm: You probably missed my joke then, tying it back to an old ad campaign. |
| 18:32 | <@Noah> | I think the idea of owning a technique with Legos is silly. It's Lego bricks. An entire MOC, sure, but the individual or sets of connection, nah |
| 18:32 | <+afny> | I sort of like crediting things because I wouldn't have been able to steal them if someone didn't credit them before me |
| 18:32 | <+afny> | I mean, I wouldn't have known where to look |
| 18:33 | < Malcolm> | Academia is like this, but without the drug use. Unless you count alcohol. And with many more books of people arguing with each other for thousands of pages. |
| 18:33 | <+afny> | I don't see it as a way of covering my ass from plagiarism claims, I see it as pointing people in a possibly educational direction |
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| 18:34 | < Malcolm> | Well, as Soren has pointed out, sometime different people just come up with the same solution for the same problem. |
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| 18:34 | <@Soren> | I broadly agree. The problem is when it squeezes out all other discussion and turns into a marker of old-boy status. |
| 18:34 | <+afny> | true, but I don't think the "credit" is what matters |
| 18:35 | <@randolph> | I just figured that was the way it happened around here, because that was some of the first stuff I saw posted |
| 18:35 | <+afny> | for instance, I made some of those flying guys with the hinge legs based on some pictures from Soren's flikr |
| 18:35 | <@Soren> | Not even, sometimes there's just a limited palette of solutions that work. |
| 18:35 | <+afny> | but I made them all wacky on the inside |
| 18:35 | <+afny> | but Soren's credit of zizzy (and randolph's help) led me to zizzy's gallery |
| 18:35 | <@randolph> | I mean, no offense Mantis, but some of the earliest comments I saw *period* were you saying "I did it first *link*" |
| 18:35 | <+afny> | and I learned a whole bunch of shit |
| 18:35 | <@Noah> | Yea, my first frame was an Ijad, and I needed a highly bendable leg joint, and came up with something someone else used on bipedal frame for leg joints |
| 18:35 | <@Soren> | I try to limit credits to 'You should go look at this person's stuff because you'll learn from it' |
| 18:36 | <+afny> | yea, that's a good mentality |
| 18:36 | < Mantisking> | @ Randolph: really? |
| 18:36 | <@randolph> | Yeah, see: your comment on the toothplate buzzsaw :p |
| 18:36 | <@Noah> | But I came to it on my own. The concept exists in nature too, it's called convergent evolution |
| 18:37 | <@randolph> | Noah: Was it the 1x1 round plates on lampholders? |
| 18:37 | < Malcolm> | Soren: Am I correct in thinking it was you who talked somewhere about the Third Artist concept in relation to Lego? I remember that being really usefully advice as regards sources and inspiration. |
| 18:37 | <@randolph> | ^ Yes, it was him |
| 18:37 | <@Soren> | Yes. |
| 18:37 | <@Noah> | Lampholders are the 1x1 plate with vertical ring? |
| 18:37 | <@randolph> | yes |
| 18:38 | <@Noah> | Then yes |
| 18:38 | <@randolph> | For what it's worth, I both agree with Soren that attributionfests turn it into an old boys' club, BUT also feel that signficant contribution should be attributed, because I come from academia |
| 18:38 | <@Soren> | I was actually aiming that more generally at science fiction related anything, but it applies to Lego in spades. |
| 18:39 | < Malcolm> | Aha, grand. My recall isn't that sharp |
| 18:39 | <@randolph> | At some point, Obvious Things Are Obvious and should be considered public domain or whatever, but it's not like we have a Shadowy LEGO Council |
| 18:39 | <@Soren> | I think it's great when people find a relaxed way to attribute. But it needs clearly defined limits, or you end up with a page of citations. |
| 18:39 | <+afny> | Well I definitely felt the need to keep crediting zizzy |
| 18:39 | <+afny> | considering I didn't understand how those connections worked at first |
| 18:39 | <@Soren> | Zizy has it goin' on. |
| 18:39 | <+afny> | and then when I did, I was like...WHOA |
| 18:40 | <@randolph> | and squieu |
| 18:40 | <@Noah> | Attribution is more of honor system when it comes things like this |
| 18:40 | <@randolph> | (and Soren, of course) |
| 18:41 | <@Noah> | Being able to admit to using an idea from someone else is The Right Thing To Do |
| 18:41 | <@Soren> | I think it would benefit greatly from either more or less rigor. |
| 18:41 | <@Noah> | But it should be reactive, not proactive |
| 18:41 | <@Soren> | more is less fun, so I don't advocate it. |
| 18:41 | <@randolph> | @ noah, what do you mean reactive? |
| 18:41 | <@Soren> | But if someone wants to, I"m not going to stop them. |
| 18:41 | <@randolph> | Soren: Yeah, having three footnotes for a 10-minute thing you threw together for fun sounds like a buzzkill |
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| 18:42 | <@Soren> | I also think the healthiest thing to do is to give only the most general advice unless you're talking about a specific model. |
| 18:42 | <@randolph> | (I say, as someone who has now been putting up between 1 and 3 attribution notes for every frame that "got something" from someone else) |
| 18:42 | <@Noah> | Instead of me posting a frame, and pointing out every single thing on it and explaining where I got the idea, I can give just an over all idea of why I made the frame the way I did, then if someone goes "hey, where'd you get the idea for the knee joints", then I respond with who I got it from |
| 18:43 | <@Soren> | "You should check out this person/these models" and then let them get whatever they're going to get out of it. |
| 18:43 | <@Noah> | Which in my case and poor memory, I'd likely say Cedric, but I think he might've just linked me to someone else |
| 18:43 | <@randolph> | @ Noah: I like that in a relaxed environment |
| 18:43 | < Defaultsound> | Hello |
| 18:43 | <@Noah> | Exactly |
| 18:44 | <@randolph> | The problem is when someone ELSE looks at that, innocently tries to give credit where credit is due, and attributes you |
| 18:44 | <@randolph> | And you might not ever see that comment |
| 18:44 | <+afny> | hey Defaultsound |
| 18:44 | <@Soren> | I'm sure I've forgotten most of what I've learned from other people. |
| 18:44 | <@Noah> | I'll admit that we're artists here, working in the brick, but we shouldn't be killjoy tryhards |
| 18:44 | <@Soren> | Randolph: that happens anyway. the internet is full of people with shitty reading comprehension. |
| 18:44 | <@randolph> | Oh man, so loaded, Noah |
| 18:44 | <@randolph> | What've you got against tryhards? |
| 18:45 | <@randolph> | @ Soren: yeah :| |
| 18:45 | <@Noah> | Nothing in particular really |
| 18:45 | <+afny> | calling someone a tryhard is such a lazy insult |
| 18:45 | <+afny> | and hilarious |
| 18:45 | <@Soren> | I think in the absence of a way to make them play nice, easing up is the only sane solution. |
| 18:45 | <@Noah> | afny: don't be a tryhard |
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| 18:46 | <@Soren> | We should confine our pseudo-academic slapfights to venues where everybody knows what the stupid parts are and when to laugh. |
| 18:46 | <@randolph> | It sounds like such a hipster douchebag insult |
| 18:47 | <@randolph> | "Oh, pfft, you *put effort* into it. That's okay, I understand, you just haven't got the ennui." |
| 18:47 | <+afny> | and it's almost always used by people who wish they could try as hard |
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| 18:47 | <@Noah> | lol Wang |
| 18:48 | <+afny> | hey, totally unrelated question |
| 18:48 | <@Noah> | I borrow the word from playing League of Legends, but I find the concept applies just about everywhere |
| 18:48 | <@randolph> | It was around in WoW |
| 18:48 | <+afny> | I'm too lazy to do the bricklink footwork for this right now, so if anyone has a clue: what trans-clear color is most affordable? |
| 18:48 | <@randolph> | From people who couldn't cut it at raiding @ people who did |
| 18:48 | <@Noah> | Yea, but I never heard it from there |
| 18:48 | <@Noah> | So I'm attributing LoL, qed |
| 18:48 | <+afny> | I want to get a set of stuff to make muzzleflashes and effects, but I don't want to spend lots of money |
| 18:48 | <@randolph> | TRY HARDER (at memes) |
| 18:49 | <@randolph> | speaking of LoL, you got your connection back yet? |
| 18:49 | <@Noah> | Oh |
| 18:49 | <@Noah> | Hell yea I do |
| 18:49 | <@randolph> | Also afny (I guess?) |
| 18:49 | <+afny> | wat? |
| 18:49 | <+afny> | that's NOT A COLOR |
| 18:50 | <@randolph> | Some of my friends are having a LoL resurgence |
| 18:50 | <+afny> | I actually just got the mac client working yesterday |
| 18:50 | <+afny> | after I gave up on SC2 working on this comp |
| 18:50 | <@randolph> | We could team up on vent or w/e |
| 18:50 | <@Noah> | FUCK YEA LET'S DO IT |
| 18:51 | <@randolph> | Cool. Not *this moment*, because I have to run errands now, but soon |
| 18:51 | <@Noah> | FUCK YEA LET'S DON'T. |
| 18:51 | <@randolph> | o/ |
| 18:51 | <@Soren> | okay, it's late, and I need sleep. |
| 18:51 | <@Soren> | g'night! |
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| 18:52 | <+afny> | don't let the tiny dickweasels bite |
| 18:52 | <+afny> | (your dick) |
| 18:52 | <@Noah> | (or your weasels) |
| 18:52 | <@Soren|away> | I'm wearing my cup. |
| 18:52 | <+DeathZero> | lmao. |
| 18:52 | < Defaultsound> | I won't ask... |
| 18:54 | < Mantisking> | It's better if you dont. :) |
| 18:55 | | * Noah is at the literal Deus Ex Machina in Toy Story 3 |
| 18:55 | <@Noah> | Especially since we log the entire channel |
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| 18:59 | <@Noah|widescreen> | Pff |
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| 18:59 | <@Noah> | Way to lag out when I was being witty Kev |
| 18:59 | <+DeathZero> | lol. |
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| 19:03 | <@Noah> | Sunfyre |
| 19:03 | <@Noah> | What the hell kind of queer handle is that? |
| 19:03 | < afny> | Hey, not cool |
| 19:03 | < afny> | even if you know the guy |
| 19:04 | | * Ceddobear slaps Noah around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:04 | | * Noah wipes the fish smell off with afny |
| 19:04 | <@Ceddobear> | It's a) the nickname of my Serpent Legion Captain. |
| 19:04 | <@Ceddobear> | And b) the name of my Firefall Assault. |
| 19:05 | < afny> | Oh, I didn't even realize it was Ced |
| 19:05 | < afny> | :| |
| 19:05 | <@Noah> | You forgot c) |
| 19:06 | < Mantisking> | I'm bored. |
| 19:06 | <@Noah> | Mantisking: Make fun of Cedric, it's what I'm doing |
| 19:09 | <+DeathZero> | I thought it was funny. :P |
| 19:09 | <@Noah> | Mantisking: Or install League of Legends and/or Diablo 2 |
| 19:09 | < Mantisking> | Oh, dear god, no. |
| 19:10 | < Mantisking> | I really should log off and go eat. |
| 19:10 | <@Noah> | I got high speed internet |
| 19:10 | <@Noah> | I ain't ever logging off again! |
| 19:11 | | * Noah jigs!~ |
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| 19:45 | < Defaultsound> | Quick question, is paypal best option for bricklink? |
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| 19:46 | <@Noah> | Defaultsound: Pretty much |
| 19:46 | < Defaultsound> | kk |
| 19:46 | <@Noah> | It's the most widely used of the online pay options |
| 19:46 | < Defaultsound> | i know |
| 19:46 | < Defaultsound> | thing is |
| 19:46 | < Defaultsound> | i sent money once |
| 19:47 | < Defaultsound> | and my account got locked... |
| 19:47 | <@Noah> | Hmm |
| 19:47 | < Defaultsound> | no through bricklink tho |
| 19:47 | < Defaultsound> | i prefer if it is paypal |
| 19:47 | < Defaultsound> | that |
| 19:47 | < Defaultsound> | they have a paypal buy link |
| 19:47 | < Malcolm> | I've always used PP for Bricklink orders and it's been a breeze |
| 19:47 | < Defaultsound> | button |
| 19:47 | < Defaultsound> | w/e you call it |
| 19:47 | < Defaultsound> | kk |
| 19:48 | < Defaultsound> | its been 10 years since i've logged in |
| 19:48 | < Defaultsound> | well my dad did at least |
| 19:48 | < Defaultsound> | :v |
| 19:48 | <@Noah> | Some stores also have Amazon webpay, and straight accountless paypay via CC |
| 19:48 | < Defaultsound> | k |
| 19:49 | < Defaultsound> | now ideally it would be best to get all the pieces from one store |
| 19:49 | < Defaultsound> | yet this isn't the case |
| 19:49 | < Defaultsound> | for most |
| 19:49 | <+FerrelFerret> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferrelferret/7529316308/ |
| 19:50 | <+FerrelFerret> | What do you guys thin |
| 19:50 | <+FerrelFerret> | Someting I'm working on. |
| 19:50 | <@Noah> | Yea, it's hard to do that and keep your cost low |
| 19:50 | <+FerrelFerret> | *think |
| 19:50 | < Defaultsound> | looks good ferret |
| 19:50 | <@Noah> | I usually try to make it so that me shipping charge per piece is low, that way it doesn't really affect the price too much |
| 19:50 | < Malcolm> | That's one of the challenges of bricklink, maximising the amount you spend on postage compared with the amount you actually get. That and the time factor. |
| 19:51 | < Defaultsound> | kk |
| 19:51 | < Malcolm> | Back in the days of the old Mechatonic blog, Simon and I did a quick guide to using Bricklink: http://mechatonic.wordpress.com/bricklink-buying-guide/ |
| 19:51 | <@Noah> | Yea, unless you're in Australia, in whichcase half your cost will be shipping via doped up kangaroos |
| 19:52 | < Defaultsound> | lo |
| 19:52 | < Defaultsound> | l |
| 19:52 | < Defaultsound> | im in the uk |
| 19:52 | < Defaultsound> | so im pretty good location |
| 19:52 | < Defaultsound> | in* |
| 19:52 | < Defaultsound> | gah |
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| 19:52 | <@Noah> | Yea, and Germany is full of Lego |
| 19:53 | < Defaultsound> | I wouldn't really be ordering so much lego atm |
| 19:53 | < Malcolm> | @Ferret: Those feet! They spread like a plague! Everyone and their dog seems to be using them these days (that's not to say they aren't cool, they're just everywhere) |
| 19:53 | <@Noah> | Plus Cedric can help you with German stores in one way or another |
| 19:53 | < Defaultsound> | but I just left China |
| 19:53 | < Defaultsound> | and its all in shipment |
| 19:53 | < Defaultsound> | :( |
| 19:53 | < Malcolm> | @Defaultsound: A Slim Chance, Yellow Farm Bricks, and A Brick Or More are all good, reliable, well stocked UK Bricklink store |
| 19:54 | <@Noah> | FerrelFerret: It seems battletech-y, but I like that |
| 19:54 | < Defaultsound> | kk thanks |
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| 19:55 | < Defaultsound> | correct me if I'm wrong, but is there a inventory function on bricklink? |
| 19:55 | < Defaultsound> | for building your own invent of bricks |
| 19:55 | < Defaultsound> | to buy |
| 19:56 | < Malcolm> | You can set up a wanted list, but it's not something I've ever used |
| 19:56 | < Defaultsound> | kk |
| 19:56 | <@Noah> | I use it, and it's very helpful |
| 19:56 | < Defaultsound> | lol ok |
| 19:56 | <@Noah> | Especially if you make a staple part list, so you can make it to minimum price for some stores |
| 19:57 | <@Noah> | You can go to a store, and have it just add all the parts the store has based on a particular wanted list |
| 19:57 | <@Noah> | Or order stores by unique lots based on a wanted list |
| 19:57 | <@Noah> | Yea, wanted lists are handy |
| 19:57 | < Malcolm> | That sounds like really solid advice there |
| 20:00 | < Mantisking> | Ferret, the mech looks good. |
| 20:02 | <+FerrelFerret> | Thanks, Mantis and Noah. |
| 20:03 | < Malcolm> | @Ferret: Are you intending it to have arms, or will those upper taps be weapons/attachment mounts? |
| 20:03 | <+FerrelFerret> | Not sure, Malcolm. |
| 20:03 | <+FerrelFerret> | Trying to figure that out |
| 20:04 | <+FerrelFerret> | Maybe get some sugestions |
| 20:04 | <+FerrelFerret> | probably just weapon mounts |
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| 20:05 | < Carbonbass> | Hot damn, lots of people in here today |
| 20:06 | < Malcolm> | @Ferret: That's what I would do. Something like this, perhaps: http://shadowness.com/Radio/leg-tank-mecha-final |
| 20:07 | < Malcolm> | Of course, that has tiny arms as well, but just ignore that minor technical matter |
| 20:09 | <+FerrelFerret> | Yeah... Trying to make the frame have more of a work-frame-turned-war-frame feel |
| 20:10 | <+FerrelFerret> | Of course, I don't have much frame building under my belt |
| 20:10 | <+FerrelFerret> | so input is welcome |
| 20:12 | < Defaultsound> | anyone know the id number for the cheese wedge |
| 20:12 | < Malcolm> | Its good to develop your own style. Drawing inspiration from illustration, rather than other Lego builds, is something that I've found useful in recent years. Blogs like Concept Robots are very useful for that kind of thing. |
| 20:14 | <+FerrelFerret> | DefaultSound: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=54200 |
| 20:14 | < Defaultsound> | thanks |
| 20:14 | <@Noah> | Also called the 30 degree 1x1 slope |
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| 20:42 | < Mantisking> | I'm going to attempt to cook something, and maybe overcome this stifling ennui that's been gripping me for the last week. |
| 20:44 | < Malcolm> | Is it fin de siecle ennui or middle class anomie? Who can tell these days? |
| 20:47 | < Malcolm> | I never thoought I'd find myself saying that is a discussion about lego |
| 20:48 | < neoaez> | @Malcolm: A little late to the party, but good discussion on articulation. I was mulling that over last night as I was looking over my various frames and noticed the size creep as I began to introduce new build techniques -- especially those that centered around articulation. |
| 20:49 | < neoaez> | *I'm a little late to the party, I mean. |
| 20:49 | < Malcolm> | Hey. Yes, that is one of the main problems. Which can actually result in issues on the battlefield as regards cover, range etc (small frames vs much bigger frames) |
| 20:50 | < Malcolm> | That happened to my builds when I started playing Mechaton all thos eyears ago. |
| 20:50 | < neoaez> | Yeah. I started building some 3 brick high walls and thought how ridiculously inadequate they seemed. |
| 20:51 | < Malcolm> | I got sucked into thinking that articulation was more important than the thing actually looking good and fitting in with the agreed scale. Drove my friend/regular opponent Simon nuts, I can tell you. |
| 20:52 | < neoaez> | I'm definitely going to revisit my recent builds. I'll probably find I have more bricks, etc.. than I thought once I make some revisions. =) |
| 20:52 | < Malcolm> | That's not to say that adequate articulation isn't a great thing, but we shouldn't be placing too much emphasis on it. I mean, look at the Chub. It balances looks, scale, function, and articulation almost perfectly. |
| 20:52 | < Mantisking> | True. |
| 20:53 | < Mantisking> | My last three builds have been pretty big. I'm not sure if it was due to "articulation chasing" or sloppy work. |
| 20:55 | < Carbonbass> | ILike my frames like I like my women. |
| 20:55 | < Malcolm> | Don't get me wrong, I'm not embarking on some crazed War on Articulation. I just think that it is becoming an over-emphasised part of the frame design and build process. |
| 20:56 | < Carbonbass> | Not even a nibble |
| 20:56 | < neoaez> | Heh |
| 20:56 | < neoaez> | It was hard to resist. |
| 20:57 | < Malcolm> | @Carbonbass Sorry, no takers. That way lies madness |
| 20:58 | < Carbonbass> | So I've been sitting here playing with plates and heights, and as best as I can figure it if someone wanted to use 1/144 scale High Grade gundum kits for MF0 you would end up in 5 plate scale territory. |
| 20:58 | < Mantisking> | Malcolm, I think it's part of that general trend where people think that more complex is better. |
| 20:59 | < Malcolm> | @Mantisking: For sure. And where more complex = more skill = more kudos in the community, etc |
| 21:01 | < Malcolm> | See, I think that the uber-simple C6 designs that Micah did were (are) brilliant. A limited range of parts, thoughfully put together, creating playable frames. |
| 21:01 | < Malcolm> | @Carbonbass I'll need to take your word for it, as my knowledge of model scales is only slightly better than my knowledge of high energy particle physics |
| 21:02 | < neoaez> | Wow. I just built a standard height Chub and compared it against my more recent "chub-style" builds. The size difference is really remarkable. It's at least a brick shorter. |
| 21:04 | < afny> | still busy, but I love the c6 system |
| 21:05 | < Malcolm> | @neoaez: Interesting. I just did the same comparison with the latest version of the Safir and (minus the optional massive missile pods) the top of a Chubs head comes to the top of the Safirs shoulder. I felt the need to check in case I had built the Safir way too big and ended up being hoist by my own petard |
| 21:05 | < neoaez> | =) |
| 21:06 | < Malcolm> | Of course, the Safir is twice the wdth of a Chub, but it's intentionally meant to look like a scary big war machine |
| 21:06 | < Malcolm> | wdth? Width, surely. As any fule kno. |
| 21:07 | < neoaez> | And our highbrow discussion comes to a close, ladies and gentlemen. |
| 21:07 | < afny> | YOU FULES. |
| 21:12 | < Malcolm> | Fules indeed. |
| 21:12 | < Carbonbass> | That's kind of how I built the Hellion. Wide and chunky |
| 21:13 | < Malcolm> | That had a fairly pleasing, industrial look as I remember. |
| 21:15 | < Mantisking> | Lunch is partially completed. Now to combine the two halves. |
| 21:18 | < Malcolm> | Lunch? Lunch? Oh, yeah, timezones. |
| 21:20 | < Mantisking> | Well, it's a very late lunch. It's be a late dinner in your timezone. |
| 21:25 | < Malcolm> | In my timezone it's Beer O'Clock |
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| 21:28 | < Mantisking> | Wait, are you still in the U.S.? 'Cause I thought you were in Scotland which is five hours ahead of me. |
| 21:30 | < Malcolm> | No no no. I'm in Scotland. Got back from the US four or five weeks ago |
| 21:31 | < Malcolm> | Leaving the delights of pastoral Western Mass behind. |
| 21:35 | < Mantisking> | You were in Massachusetts? Dude, I live in MA. |
| 21:36 | < Malcolm> | Natick, as I'm led to believe. |
| 21:36 | < Malcolm> | I was in Northampton visting Joshua and Carrie |
| 21:38 | < Mantisking> | Ah, okay. I just remember you being in Washngton, DC for work on your thesis. |
| 21:39 | < Malcolm> | Yeah, was in Washington, Atlanta, Ann Arbor and College Park MD for research. Then NY, Boston, Portland, and Northampton for a bit of a holiday with my wife. |
| 21:43 | < Mantisking> | Sounds nice. |
| 21:58 | < Defaultsound> | quick piece question |
| 21:59 | < Defaultsound> | i'm confused between the tile pieces |
| 21:59 | < Defaultsound> | bricklink has tile pieces with grooves and without grooves |
| 21:59 | < Defaultsound> | it seems the ones with grooves are more recent |
| 22:00 | < Defaultsound> | is the difference just the ridge on the bottom of the tile? |
| 22:01 | < Malcolm> | As far as I understand, older tiles (and I may well be wide of the mark here) sat flush with whatever they were attached to. The 'newer' tiles have the tiny groove at the bottom to make removing them a little easier. |
| 22:02 | < Malcolm> | But, in real terms, there's not much of a difference. |
| 22:02 | < Defaultsound> | kk |
| 22:02 | < Defaultsound> | i found i had to put either |
| 22:02 | < Defaultsound> | a or b |
| 22:02 | < Defaultsound> | depending on which one i wanted |
| 22:02 | < Defaultsound> | now they are showing on the stores |
| 22:03 | < Defaultsound> | meaning now i may only be two stores im ordering from :D |
| 22:06 | < Malcolm> | So, what's on order? Exciting stuff for a new build? |
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| 23:11 | < Defaultsound> | wow |
| 23:11 | < Defaultsound> | these people are dedicated |
| 23:11 | < Defaultsound> | 11pm and they already have packed my parcel lol |
| 23:12 | < Defaultsound> | So parts for a Mk1 are on the way |
| 23:12 | < Defaultsound> | will be building myself one |
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| 23:21 | < FerrelFerret_phone> | I forgot to log off. :) |
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