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| 03:32 | <&McMartin> | Ladies, Gentlemen, Distinguished Enbies: macOS programming. https://pastebin.com/nRKNELXG |
| 03:32 | <&McMartin> | In which I open a file in a mere 43 lines of code |
| 04:13 | <@celticminstrel> | Wow. |
| 04:14 | <@celticminstrel> | I’m fairly sure CoreFoundation’s predecessor wasn’t even quite that bad… |
| 04:14 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh, I guess it didn’t have to deal with app bundles tho… |
| 04:14 | <@celticminstrel> | Or did it? I’m not 100% when those were introduced but I do remember seeing them on MacOS 9… |
| 04:15 | <&McMartin> | CoreFoundation's predecessor is either Foundation itself, which I guess you can say does do this more cleanly (definitely does if you get to rely on ObjC's final form with automatic refcounting and property syntaxes) |
| 04:15 | <&McMartin> | But my understanding of the classic Mac OS is that you'd accomplish this with the special functions for extracting stuff from the resource fork |
| 04:15 | <@celticminstrel> | Well yes, that’s true. |
| 04:15 | <&McMartin> | This is that equivalent, so there really is some stuff being gained here -- if you have different menu button images for different languages, for instance, this code will just completely transparently handle that. |
| 04:16 | <@celticminstrel> | Assuming getting stuff from the resource fork is your intention. |
| 04:16 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, that's what this is supposed to be |
| 04:16 | <&McMartin> | Resource "forks" in macOS are just directories with files in |
| 04:16 | <&McMartin> | Which is all well and good, but... |
| 04:16 | <@celticminstrel> | It’s kinda incongruous that all that just leads up to an fopen call. |
| 04:17 | <&McMartin> | My favorite part is indeed that when I ask for the path here it gives me a CFURLRef that represents a file:/// URL, which I must then explicitly convert into the file system representation fopen expects. |
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| 04:18 | <&ToxicFrog> | Meanwhile I'm just over here with my (-> name jio/resource jio/as-file) |
| 04:19 | <@celticminstrel> | Maybe it’s not that much better after all… https://github.com/calref/cboe/blob/master/src/gfx/qdpict.mac.cpp#L465 |
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| 04:19 | <@celticminstrel> | (I should probably rewrite that code so it can compile on newer Macs tho.) |
| 04:20 | <@celticminstrel> | (I assume it won’t, at least?) |
| 04:20 | <@celticminstrel> | (I can’t remember if I tried yet.) |
| 04:21 | <&McMartin> | Is this Carbon? |
| 04:21 | <@celticminstrel> | (Also that’s compiled as C++ so it might be “cheating” slightly.) |
| 04:21 | <@celticminstrel> | I think so? |
| 04:22 | <@celticminstrel> | Not quite sure. The header is CoreServices.h apparently. |
| 04:22 | <&McMartin> | CoreServices is still around, I think, but Carbon overall has been dead since 64-bit became mandatory. |
| 04:24 | <&McMartin> | With swift that whole thing is just |
| 04:24 | <&McMartin> | if let logoPath = Bundle.main.path(forResource: "logo", ofType: "png") |
| 04:25 | <@celticminstrel> | You mean your pastbin is reduced to that? |
| 04:25 | <@celticminstrel> | ^+e |
| 04:25 | <&McMartin> | That's everything in the pastebin except the fopen call, yes |
| 04:26 | <&McMartin> | Which you probably would not use in Swift, anyway, 'cause you'd instead pass the path to something like "init image with contents of file" or whatnot |
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| 20:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | Just got a recruiting email from Facebook and I'm trying to figure out how to politely say "lol fuck no" |
| 20:17 | <&McMartin> | <Report as spam> |
| 20:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | Tempting, but I don't want to preemptively burn bridges in case the same recruiter later changes companies and tries to poach me for a job I'm actually interested in~ |
| 20:31 | <&jerith> | "I'm not interested in working at a social media company at the moment, which is why I remain at Google." |
| 20:32 | <&jerith> | You are still at Google, right? |
| 20:33 | <&McMartin> | The generic polite refusal message is "thank you for your interest but I am not seeking new opportunities at the moment" |
| 20:34 | <&McMartin> | The fact that it lacks boilerplate about how "should this change in the future I will keep you in mind" is what makes it the Hell No instead of just a No. |
| 20:37 | | * Tamber snork at jerith |
| 20:49 | <&ToxicFrog> | jerith: I am, mercifully not in any of the social-media parts of the company |
| 20:54 | <&jerith> | Google is notoriously unsuccessful in the social media market, though. |
| 20:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | That doesn't mean it doesn't try! |
| 20:55 | <&jerith> | It keeps *trying* to be a social media company but never quite manages. |
| 20:57 | <&jerith> | How many social media products has it killed now? |
| 21:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | As if I have time to keep track |
| 22:24 | < ErikMesoy> | The Google Graveyard suggests: Google Hangouts, Google Plus, Google Spaces, Orkut, Meebo, Google Wave, Friend Connect, Google Buzz, Slide.Com |
| 22:24 | <&jerith> | I don'g the Hangouts was trying to be a social network. |
| 22:24 | <&jerith> | *don't |
| 22:24 | <&jerith> | *think |
| 22:33 | < ErikMesoy> | *shrug* it had group chats, that's at least marginally social |
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| 23:31 | <&[R]> | https://img.joemonster.org/mg/albums/092021/main_14niezawodny_system_bezpiecze_stwa.jpg |
| 23:40 | <&Reiver> | If you wish to be /very specific/ |
| 23:40 | <&Reiver> | To riff off McM's boilerplate |
| 23:41 | <&Reiver> | "thank you for your interest but I am not seeking new opportunities at the moment; should this change in future if you happen to have positions at other organisations I may keep you in mind" >_> |
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