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| 09:03 | <&McMartin> | It's 1 AM and I'm writing 6502 asm code |
| 09:03 | <&McMartin> | It's me: the man who makes good life choices |
| 09:04 | <~Vorntastic> | That sounds like a good life |
| 09:14 | < john_cephalopoda> | Huh, it was used in the Tamagotchi |
| 09:17 | <~Vorntastic> | Not too surprising. By then they probably were sub dollar |
| 09:26 | | * Vorntastic fiddles with 4x4 lights out |
| 09:29 | | Kindamoody[zZz] is now known as Kindamoody|afk |
| 09:30 | <~Vorntastic> | I am getting very surprising results. |
| 09:43 | <&McMartin> | Their contemporaries the Z80 are still very much in use for low-end embedded stuff |
| 09:44 | | * McMartin completes his antics. |
| 09:45 | <&McMartin> | Specifically: I've gotten the Atari 800's primary graphics chip to take its data from the parts of memory I want it to. |
| 09:45 | <~Vorntastic> | It looks like I have a kernel of quite large size |
| 09:46 | <&McMartin> | Tomorrow I'll try to hook some code to run each frame. |
| 10:21 | < john_cephalopoda> | McMartin: Don't forget the TI graphing calculators. |
| 10:22 | < john_cephalopoda> | The 83+ and 84 got a Z80. |
| 10:23 | <~Vorntastic> | And cost $200 because they're shitheads |
| 10:23 | < john_cephalopoda> | I think I bought the 83+ for 80€ back in the day. It was mandatory for school (tough you could also lend one from the school) |
| 10:27 | < john_cephalopoda> | The main advantage for school use was, that you can delete the entire memory with a button press. Makes it impossible to store e.g. physical formulas or helper programs on them during an exam. |
| 10:27 | < john_cephalopoda> | That wasn't always checked though. I remember a friend storing chemical formulas in the function plot menu for a chemistry exam :D |
| 10:30 | < john_cephalopoda> | Also you can scribble onto the inside of the lid with a pencil and it is practically invisible if you don't hold it in the right angle. |
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| 12:47 | < abudhabi> | Any of you use urbit? |
| 13:21 | < john_cephalopoda> | Lol |
| 13:22 | < john_cephalopoda> | I took a look at it some time ago. At its core it's yet another cryptocurrency blockchain thingie, run by alt-right people. |
| 13:24 | < john_cephalopoda> | The programming language they built for it is pretty esoteric. Their network also only supports 2^32 endpoints, which correspond to identities. So the same issues of IPv4 with the additional issue that you can't re-assign addresses. |
| 13:26 | < john_cephalopoda> | Last time I looked, their chat application only supported a subset of ASCII. |
| 13:27 | < john_cephalopoda> | Their introduction (https://urbit.org/understanding-urbit/) states " |
| 13:27 | < john_cephalopoda> | We think the internet can’t be saved. The way things are going, MEGACORP will always control our apps and services because we can no longer run them ourselves." |
| 13:28 | < john_cephalopoda> | One paragraph under that there's an embedded image of some calming wave. Ironically hosted on storage.googleapis.com. |
| 13:29 | < catalyst_> | is that irony or is that supporting evidence? |
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| 13:30 | < john_cephalopoda> | Other images on that sites are hosted on media.urbit.org. |
| 13:30 | < abudhabi> | What I don't understand is how it's supposed to be decentralized and stuff, yet to acquire a permanent identity, you apparently have to pay someone a monthly fee. |
| 13:30 | < catalyst> | hey |
| 13:30 | < catalyst> | heh* |
| 13:31 | <@ErikMesoy> | It's got 2^32 "planets" which are meant to be lasting, money-costing identities and 2^64 "comets" that are meant to be free throwaways, from what I read of it a while back. |
| 13:31 | < abudhabi> | I also struggle to understand the possible use cases. Is it some form of 2chan message board? |
| 13:36 | <@ErikMesoy> | The current possible use cases are like IRC but worse. The planned possible use cases are a sort of full-stack replacement for social media by decentralization. |
| 13:36 | < john_cephalopoda> | I think it's primarily a money-making scheme, though I am not sure who exactly it is aimed at. |
| 13:36 | <@ErikMesoy> | Someday We Will Have An App Ecosystem, the dev hopes. |
| 13:37 | <@ErikMesoy> | Well, "hoped", I should say, since the founder quit to avoid something like dependency and conflicts of interest. |
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| 13:43 | < abudhabi> | So it's basically mostly-useless blockchain hype and abandonware. |
| 13:44 | < john_cephalopoda> | Yup, I'd say that's the gist of it |
| 13:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | Well, someone has been putting out blog posts regarding alleged updates in the year since the founder left. https://urbit.org/blog/security-audit/ |
| 13:45 | < john_cephalopoda> | Yeah, just saw that, too. Might not be abandonware. But all I can see are pretty UI mockups. |
| 13:46 | < john_cephalopoda> | They apparently have somebody who is good with minimalist design. It's all very Zen. |
| 13:46 | <@ErikMesoy> | I suspect it's most likely to end as abandonware due to having not enough people and not enough money, but right now it's in a "falling" phase, not a "has crashed and burned" phase, and hoping to break into a "gliding" or "flying" phase. |
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| 13:59 | < abudhabi> | I'll probably wait for someone techy to look at this, realize its obvious flaws, then release a fork without said obvious flaws that might actually work. |
| 14:01 | < abudhabi> | I like the idea of a decentralized comms/social platform, which the corps can't gatekeep, and the govts would have to go full China mode to even limit, but the present implementation looks about as usable as Dwarf Fortress' original UI. |
| 14:02 | <@ErikMesoy> | Hah. |
| 14:03 | <&[R]> | Have you checked out Freent? |
| 14:03 | <&[R]> | Freenet* |
| 14:03 | < abudhabi> | Nope. What's that? |
| 14:03 | <&[R]> | It's a decentralized chat/hosting/file-sharing network |
| 14:04 | <&[R]> | It predates blockchain stuff |
| 14:05 | < john_cephalopoda> | There's also dn42 |
| 14:06 | < john_cephalopoda> | It's targeted at research, not anonymity and censorship prevention though. |
| 14:09 | < abudhabi> | Right. |
| 14:10 | < abudhabi> | Wikipedia appears to dispute the censorship resistance, however. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet |
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| 17:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | There's also IPFS (for the decentralized file hosting part) and Mastodon (for the decentralized social media part) |
| 17:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | Both of which actually work |
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| 18:38 | < john_cephalopoda> | ToxicFrog: And both of which are no cryptocoin scam :D |
| 18:49 | < abudhabi> | ToxicFrog: I will it out, thank you. |
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