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| 02:53 | <&McMartin> | Jamming the PC text mode font into the C64: https://imgur.com/a/kecJWju |
| 02:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | I assume it's not meant to do that. |
| 03:04 | <&McMartin> | It looks pretty good! |
| 03:04 | <&McMartin> | C64 can pull its font from RAM so there's nothing stopping it *that* much |
| 03:04 | <&McMartin> | It took some doing to get the data out of DOSbox though, especially for the nonprintable characters |
| 03:04 | <&McMartin> | I'm pretty sure there's an easier way than what I did, but I did it |
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| 10:05 | <@abudhabi> | McMartin: Is there much reason to get UQM 0.7 as opposed ot the 0.6.2 version offered by the ubuntu repo? |
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| 11:04 | <~Vorntastic> | https://sourceforge.net/p/sc2/uqm/ci/master/tree/sc2/ChangeLog lots of fixes, that's for sure |
| 11:13 | < Emmy> | i am reminded of the similar project of openttd |
| 11:16 | <@abudhabi> | I guess I'd need to compile from source... |
| 11:29 | < Emmy> | https://sourceforge.net/projects/sc2/files/UQM/0.8/ <- builds |
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| 11:51 | <@abudhabi> | Emmy: I'm on a deb system. |
| 11:54 | < Emmy> | oh huh, derp, didn't realize they only had .exe and .dmg |
| 11:54 | < Emmy> | kinda lame :d |
| 11:57 | <@abudhabi> | Yes. |
| 11:58 | <@abudhabi> | McMartin: Why no deb binaries? |
| 11:59 | < Emmy> | ...ah, i knew i knew that developer's name from /somewhere/ XD |
| 12:11 | <@abudhabi> | Haha. |
| 12:14 | <@TheWatcher> | abudhabi: my guess is that they want to leave linux packaging up to distro maintainers |
| 12:39 | < Emmy> | that sounds like something you'd need an unreasonable amount of patience for. |
| 12:41 | < Emmy> | by the way, does anybody have opinions about good 16:10 monitors? |
| 14:19 | < Emmy> | augh. trying to do stuff while keeping VS2019 and MSlearn both in view on a single unit is a chore D:\ |
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| 16:33 | < Emmy> | Bleh. Azure cloud shell is a biatch... |
| 16:41 | <&McMartin> | Yes, linux packaging is handled by maintainers in their own right with no connection to us. |
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| 16:53 | <@Tamber> | On the packaging thing, only slightly belatedly: Which is an entirely reasonable way to do it, imo? It's *nice* if upstream provides packages for things, but distro maintainers are the ones who are more likely to know how they want things anyway. |
| 17:03 | <&[R]> | Especially when there's goals about packaging |
| 17:04 | <&[R]> | Debian wants to bloat their package count, Arch wants to keep things in as few packages as possible (though they'll match upstream), then there's one that wants to statically compile everything, Void wants both musl and glibc versions, etc... |
| 17:11 | <@Tamber> | Exactly. Best to leave those choices up to the maintainers, imo. |
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| 17:30 | <&McMartin> | Debian never actually took 0.7 |
| 17:33 | <&McMartin> | Now, the flip side of this is also that distros all want to do their own thing, but they also assume that all software in the universe does various things that in fact, not all software in the universe does, and they get very butthurt if your project doesn't work the way they expect |
| 17:35 | <&[R]> | Stuff like having DESTDIR work in `make install`? :p |
| 17:36 | <&McMartin> | Stuff like "specifically be autotools based, or at the very least clone its workflow" |
| 17:36 | <&[R]> | Ah, yeah |
| 17:37 | <&[R]> | What I hate is when something provides a ./configure that bitches at you |
| 17:37 | <&[R]> | Just fuck off mate |
| 17:39 | <&McMartin> | As in "demands options" or... ? |
| 17:45 | <&[R]> | As in what some suckless or 2f30 packages do, or what unrealircd does |
| 17:45 | <@Tamber> | "You haven't changed this YES_I_HAVE_READ_THE_CONFIG option"? |
| 17:46 | <&[R]> | Trying to find an example of one |
| 17:46 | <&[R]> | One's like a 11 line shell script, 1 shebang and 10 lines of echo's |
| 17:49 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, UQM has a deeply wacky build system due to its early history as an open source project |
| 17:49 | <&McMartin> | But basically if you don't create a config file in advance the build system goes interactive as a result, which made the gentoo guys extremely angry |
| 17:50 | <&[R]> | Most decent package build systems (read: anything not produced by Debian) should be able to handle weird shit |
| 17:50 | <&[R]> | Since they're literally files that get sourced by a script and run |
| 17:50 | <&McMartin> | You'd think this would include evince~ |
| 17:50 | <&[R]> | So long as you can script the build |
| 17:50 | <&McMartin> | Er. emerge |
| 17:51 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, you can, though if you wanted to directly mimic autotools with it you'd need to do some "echo stuff to a file" stuff along the way. |
| 17:51 | <&[R]> | If only there were some way to programatically create a file, or ship a config file that could be copied... |
| 17:51 | <&McMartin> | cmake has actually gotten good enough that we could theoretically use it now, but meh |
| 17:53 | <&McMartin> | Especially since Mac has wildly variant build processes depending on whether you're building For Real or via one of the unofficial package systems. |
| 17:55 | <&McMartin> | Though at least now it *can* |
| 17:55 | <&McMartin> | For several years there attempting to build on a system that so much as had brew *installed* would fuck around with your Xcode enough that the resulting binary wouldn't run on anyone else's system. |
| 17:56 | <@Tamber> | *wince* |
| 17:56 | <&McMartin> | As it is we still have to do manual rpath hacking but that's Zombie Steve's fault. |
| 17:57 | <&McMartin> | ... if not CMU's. |
| 17:57 | <&McMartin> | (the Mach-O binary format is problems) |
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| 20:08 | <@abudhabi> | For the first time I actually went with the advice not to rely on fuel from the starbase, because it's too expensive. It's been great! |
| 20:08 | <@abudhabi> | Also, flew a tanker outfit into the Druuge trade world. :D |
| 20:09 | <@abudhabi> | I'm selling fuel TO the starbase. |
| 20:32 | < Emmy> | (*&%#(*&@!^ing hell microsoft! |
| 20:33 | < Emmy> | I keep getting 'No space left on device' errors on their own damned exercises with their own damned cloud shell |
| 20:34 | <&[R]> | Their excercises where it takes them 40 steps to describe opening the run dialogue and running mscserive.msc or some-such? |
| 20:35 | < Emmy> | no, dotnet development for azure |
| 20:35 | < Emmy> | which would be really neat if they didn't try to force you to use the damned cloud console |
| 20:35 | < Emmy> | especially when it doesn't work |
| 20:36 | <&[R]> | Right, but are they still inanely broken down into absurd levels of "1. Move mouse pointer to lower left of screen over the "Start" button. 2. Use the left button on the mouse to "click" 3. Move the mouse pointer over the "Run" option, etc...) |
| 20:40 | < Emmy> | not quite, though the 'exercise' consists of just C&P code/commands, simply editing names and such where needed |
| 20:40 | < Emmy> | which would be really easy if that actually /worked/ |
| 20:41 | <&[R]> | Aye |
| 20:43 | < Emmy> | worse still, when they try to teach you how to code, you'd kinda expect them to have them teach it to you using their commonly used, recommended IDEs and interfaces... |
| 20:44 | < Emmy> | not a powershell approximation that barely works. |
| 20:46 | < Emmy> | ...I /think/ i got it to work now |
| 20:46 | < Emmy> | would anyone be willing to test basic functionality for me? |
| 20:48 | < Emmy> | at this point i start to get paranoid i'm hallucinating it :P |
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