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| 06:30 | <&jerith> | Day 3 was... not quite what I expected it to be. |
| 06:39 | <&McMartin> | I have been learning more things about std::String! |
| 06:46 | <@celticminstrel> | ? |
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| 08:13 | <&jerith> | Rust is one of the few languages where I feel a mutable string type is sensible. |
| 08:36 | < catalyst> | and yet it's not big on letting you mutate them |
| 08:36 | < catalyst> | why do we call them strings when 'text' is right there anyway |
| 08:37 | <&Reiver> | IIRC, because strings were strings of ... stuff, not always characters? |
| 08:37 | <&Reiver> | It just happens to be that we now pretty much always mean a string of characters, which is, indeed, otherwise known as 'text' |
| 08:46 | < catalyst> | https://www.sitepoint.com/why-is-a-string-called-a-string/ |
| 08:46 | <&jerith> | Maybe because "text" used to (and still does, if you dig deep enough) describe part of the program structure? |
| 08:47 | < catalyst> | oh, another excellent point |
| 08:48 | <&Reiver> | ... both of those are pretty compelling |
| 08:49 | <&jerith> | "by essentially tricking a little bit of sand into remembering numbers" <3 |
| 08:49 | <&Reiver> | And indeed, make one think of, uh |
| 08:49 | <&jerith> | I have no idea where I found it, but one of my favourite quotes is "Behold! We have tamed lightning and used it to teach sand how to think!" |
| 08:50 | <&Reiver> | "We need a word for text." "Why not, you know, 'text'?" "Already using it." "Oh. Huh. Uh... 'String'? Like in the old printing press days?" "Huh. You know what, sure, that works." |
| 08:51 | <&Reiver> | It is also, hm |
| 08:51 | <&Reiver> | A good term |
| 08:51 | <&Reiver> | Especially in the early days |
| 08:51 | < catalyst> | "I am a programmer, which means I force lightning to do math" |
| 08:51 | <&Reiver> | "You may have a string of text, up to X characters long..." |
| 08:51 | <&Reiver> | Printing presses inherently measured length in strings, so when in the same mindset... |
| 08:52 | < catalyst> | Reiver: I recommend reading the article if you're interested |
| 08:52 | <&Reiver> | I did :) |
| 08:52 | < catalyst> | righto |
| 08:52 | <&Reiver> | I'm just musing on ancillary, uh |
| 08:52 | <&jerith> | justice? |
| 08:52 | <&Reiver> | oh no wait |
| 08:52 | <&Reiver> | I only read half of it |
| 08:52 | < catalyst> | I need to read the |
| 08:52 | < catalyst> | that |
| 08:53 | <&Reiver> | I saw lengthly italics with videos at the bottom and assumed that was the end of the article and start of the ads-slash-comments -_- |
| 08:53 | <&Reiver> | And it had precisely reached a neat and tidy point to start that explained the /historical/ point, but not how it relates to modern programming, hence the (now pointless) musing~ |
| 09:14 | < catalyst> | =l |
| 09:14 | < catalyst> | =) * |
| 09:14 | < catalyst> | no worries |
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| 17:40 | <@abudhabi> | Arghle. |
| 17:40 | <&jerith> | Barghle. |
| 17:41 | <@abudhabi> | I have a very simple use case: Repeating reminders that pop up a window, for linux. |
| 17:42 | <@abudhabi> | There's a myriad calendars, organizers and planners. But most of them don't have such a built-in functionality, and the ones that do are either giant resource hogs for other desktop environments or no longer maintaned. |
| 17:42 | <&jerith> | Do any of them have an API? |
| 17:43 | <&jerith> | If so, maybe write some glue scripts to hook them up to a notifier? |
| 17:43 | <@abudhabi> | Have no idea. |
| 17:44 | <@abudhabi> | Simplest thing that fits most of what I want is the alarm applet. |
| 17:44 | <@abudhabi> | That lets me configure a sound and/or to run a command. |
| 17:44 | <&jerith> | Best of luck on your quest. |
| 17:44 | <@abudhabi> | I suppose I could make some bullshit command that pretends it's a prompt. |
| 17:45 | <&jerith> | I unfortunately can't offer much in the way of specific advice, because I don't know any of the current tooling. |
| 17:50 | <@abudhabi> | Hmmm. There's `zenity --info --text="whatever"` |
| 17:51 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you don't need user interaction and just need a notify popup, this is exactly what `notify-send` is for |
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| 18:08 | <@abudhabi> | That's not actually installed. |
| 18:10 | <@abudhabi> | Probably because XFCE. |
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| 20:29 | <@abudhabi> | I need some Excel/Gnumeric magic. |
| 20:30 | <@abudhabi> | I have a list of dates in column A. These are NOT unique. Associated with those dates are values in column B. |
| 20:30 | <@abudhabi> | I would like to make another column, where the values from column B were averaged, grouped by distinct values of column A. |
| 20:31 | <@abudhabi> | Is there some formula for that? |
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| 20:48 | <@abudhabi> | I'm currently *sort of* doing this by simply averaging two rows in a separate column, seeing as so far there are two rows per date. |
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| 20:55 | <&McMartin> | Some kind of collation operation? |
| 20:55 | <&McMartin> | I'll ask my local excel wizard |
| 21:11 | | * Vornicus excels |
| 21:11 | <~Vornicus> | that's a pivottable |
| 21:14 | <~Vornicus> | I don't know if gnumeric has that but it's super powerful. https://imgur.com/Qa90LWe set it up like this. |
| 21:16 | <@abudhabi> | Mmm. Thanks! I'm not sure if gnumeric implements those, indeed. |
| 21:16 | <~Vornicus> | if you're running a recent enough excel you can also do this with actual formulas, but I don't know if gnumeric has sort and unique as formulas |
| 21:18 | <@abudhabi> | I guess my improvised solution that assumes a regular amount of rows per date will have to do for now. |
| 21:19 | <~Vornicus> | sumif and countif help |
| 22:51 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, my contact replied with =SUMIFS(B2:B13,A2:A13,D2)/COUNTIF(A2:A13,D2) as a sample code unit |
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