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| 02:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | Gesture selection now works! |
| 02:22 | <&ToxicFrog> | The game is now actually interactive |
| 02:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | The rules engine isn't up and running yet, though, so the game is a real-time match of "first to surrender loses" |
| 02:38 | <&Reiver> | hahah |
| 02:38 | <&Reiver> | nice one! |
| 02:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | And I have now added server-side validation so that players cannot set their gestures to special values like :unseen or :antispell, and cannot knife with both hands. |
| 02:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | I now only have one more UI element to wire up (the SUBMIT button) and then I can actually start implementing the rules engine. |
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| 13:40 | < ErikMesoy> | Have You Heard The Joy Of Split()? |
| 13:42 | < ErikMesoy> | Coworker was parsing a line of text in Python with "while line[i] != ';' : some_txt += line[i]", incrementing i at each step, incrementing i once more after the while loop ends, then starting a new while loop that string-builds character by character to a different output variable, then another i increment, then five more while-loops of the same condition. |
| 13:45 | < ErikMesoy> | He was happy to learn that split(';') works much more easily for this. I'm not sure how far I got with trying to enlighten him on the more general principle that there's usually an easier way to do it if he's doing something very repetitive (for example, seven while-loops in a row with the same condition). |
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| 13:50 | <&[R]> | :/ |
| 13:51 | <~Vornicus> | seven -- what? |
| 13:54 | < ErikMesoy> | there's seven text items to a line in a CSV file (technically Semicolon Separated Values) that he was parsing with seven While Character Is Not Semicolon, Output Character, Next Character loops. |
| 13:54 | <~Vornicus> | |
| 13:54 | < ErikMesoy> | I mean, it *worked*, gotta give him credit for that |
| 13:55 | <~Vornicus> | if you have an ssv you can probably hand things to the `csv` module to handle all that for you |
| 14:00 | < ErikMesoy> | Module would probably be a good idea when we try to generalize this for other people's use, yes, thank you. :) |
| 14:01 | <&jeroud> | The `csv` module is great for anything that has consistent and unambiguous quoting rules. |
| 14:02 | <&jeroud> | Well, anything in the rows-containing-delimited-data family. |
| 14:02 | <&jeroud> | But if you have inconsistent or ambiguous quoting, woe. For in that case, nothing will work. |
| 14:05 | <&jeroud> | Things to be aware of: If you want to read rows as dicts, you need to provide an ordered list of column headers to the reader. You might have to manually read and parse this from the front of the file if it's in the file. |
| 14:06 | <&jeroud> | Also, know your encodings. |
| 14:11 | < ErikMesoy> | Nørwegiåns know their encodings very well, thank you, had that one repeatedly in the past. :) |
| 14:14 | < Emmy> | did i hear something about CSVs? |
| 14:17 | <&jeroud> | I love how some people talk about "CSV" as if it's a single well-defined format. |
| 14:18 | <&jeroud> | And by "love", I mean "sob quietly into my keyboard". |
| 14:30 | <@abudhabi> | I once implemented CSV parsing (couldn't use an existing library because [REDACTED]) using https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4180 as a guide. |
| 14:32 | <&jerith> | That describes the most common *sensible* variant, and the one I use when I have to emit "CSV". |
| 14:33 | < ErikMesoy> | jeroud: good for you. you know what they say, the penitent man shall parse. |
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| 15:36 | | * TheWatcher sets Erik on fire for that one |
| 16:02 | | * Emmy snerks |
| 16:02 | < Emmy> | yea, csv's are a fun 'format' |
| 16:03 | < Emmy> | in the past i did sin and simply used excel as parser XD |
| 16:03 | < Emmy> | slightly easier |
| 16:03 | < Emmy> | ...well, until you factor in various culture data formats, that is. |
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| 18:44 | <&[R]> | Or excel deciding something that isn't a date is a date and destroying the data |
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| 21:28 | < Emmy> | oh yes, excel == incel in that regard |
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