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| 03:29 | < Pink> | So unity has added two more ui systems that don't work with the previous two. Or each other. |
| 03:30 | < Pink> | One of them recreates CSS and from scratch, enbedded in xml... and the other is css with bits lopped off. |
| 03:33 | <~Vornicus> | game UI with actual CSS would be great, I could call any web dude and say "hey nice this up for me". ...granted, I am also a web dude |
| 03:37 | <@celticminstrel> | XD |
| 03:38 | <@Reiv> | That there is a horrifying and brilliant idea |
| 03:38 | <@Reiv> | I wonder: What stops css being a sufficient standard for use in game UIs? |
| 03:39 | <@celticminstrel> | Given that things like Electron(?) exist, you probably totally could. |
| 03:39 | <~Vornicus> | Most of the time it's just lack of support |
| 03:39 | < Pink> | It isn't 'actual css,' though. |
| 03:40 | < Pink> | It is their two independent twists on css. |
| 03:40 | <&McMartin> | There's a model for (usually in-3d-world) game UIs called "Immediate GUI" or "ImGui" that is kind of the opposite of CSS |
| 03:40 | <&McMartin> | Where when you draw a frame you do things like say "draw a button at this point" and then that returns whether or not the user clicked it this frame, etc. |
| 03:40 | < Pink> | And yes, unity originally went with imgui, and then moved to their current... thing. |
| 03:40 | <&McMartin> | It's apparently much saner to use this when doing something like an RTS game or a giant isometric RPG |
| 03:41 | < Pink> | Reiv, nothing at all stops it from being suitable if implemented well. |
| 03:42 | <&McMartin> | But yeah, while ImGui is great for something like Diablo or Civilization, it's pretty terrible for, say, Sunless Sea |
| 03:43 | < Pink> | But yeah, the real issue is that none of the systems interoperates with any of the others. |
| 03:44 | < Pink> | And introducing two similar-but-incompatible ones at the same time seems nuts? |
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| 05:49 | <&McMartin> | It completely boggles me that https://bumbershootsoft.wordpress.com/2017/03/06/zx81-on-to-machine-code/ is one of my most enduringly popular articles. |
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| 19:13 | <&[R]> | https://thedailywtf.com/articles/comments/sweet-release <-- that sounds like hell |
| 19:42 | <@ErikMesoy> | The comment section? Yes, those often sound like hell. ;) |
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