| --- Log opened Tue Sep 29 00:00:47 2020 |
| 00:11 | <@celticminstrel> | Uhh… 5 MB/s is slow than 600 KB/s. |
| 00:11 | <@celticminstrel> | ^slower |
| 00:12 | <@celticminstrel> | No wait. |
| 00:12 | <@celticminstrel> | I'm the one who's confused here. Just ignore that. |
| 00:20 | < SmithKurosaki> | Its okay :p |
| 00:20 | <@sshine> | I'm the one who is confused. |
| 00:21 | <@sshine> | I've got dockerd running as root, and I've authenticated with DigitalOcean using their 'doctl' command using my local user. now, 'docker push' requires root, but DigitalOcean requires that I'm authenticated. |
| 00:22 | <@sshine> | I think that I'd prefer if I do everything as my own user. and trusting https://askubuntu.com/questions/477551/how-can-i-use-docker-without-sudo it seems that my exact version of docker, 19.03, this is possible. |
| 00:26 | | * Vornicus finds an actual direct use for geometric inversion! |
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| 11:20 | <@gnolam> | Ah, the good ol' "screenshot in a word document". |
| 11:25 | <@gnolam> | At least it's for the best kind of feature request: the one that's already implemented. |
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| 16:38 | < Yossarian> | <@gnolam> Ah, the good ol' "screenshot in a word document". |
| 16:38 | < Yossarian> | Why? Don't they know emails can contain many file formats? |
| 16:42 | <@gnolam> | I have no idea. But it's pervasive. People do it all over the world. |
| 16:44 | <@gnolam> | And at least "screenshot in a word document" beats "photo of a screen in a word document" and "scan of a printout of a screen in a word document". |
| 16:44 | <@gnolam> | No, those are not exaggerations: those too are things people actually send. |
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| 16:49 | < Yossarian> | People all over the world are feckless. |
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| 16:52 | <~Vornicus> | bah, the wooden table post no longer has the photo on it :( |
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| 18:30 | < SmithKurosaki> | Ive luckily not had to deal with that weirdness of screenshot in a doc, but I know of it |
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| 18:44 | <~Vornicus> | I've had to yell at my mother about it |
| 18:45 | <~Vornicus> | no, you do not need to put a picture into Word to email it, no that does not actually make the picture bigger |
| 18:45 | <~Vornicus> | or smaller |
| 18:45 | <~Vornicus> | and yet somehow she is 1. actually competent in art tools and 2. better at Google than I am |
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| 18:48 | <@gnolam> | The people who send images in word documents to me are typically people in charge of software deployments. So... yeah. |
| 18:53 | < SmithKurosaki> | I know I've had to hold off bashing my head against a wall when people don't use collab tools in a way that makes working on the same file viable |
| 18:54 | < SmithKurosaki> | I know I'm not /perfect/, but I at least use the cloud storage file instead of making a local copy to work on |
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| 20:38 | <&Reiver> | Point of order: Back in the bad old days, a lot of softwares couldn't just merely hit 'paste' into an email from your clipboard. |
| 20:38 | <&Reiver> | So you had to get the picture out of clipboard somewhere |
| 20:39 | <&Reiver> | ... and Paint.exe was awful enough with resizing and file formats that you didn't bother with that, did you? |
| 20:39 | <&Reiver> | Ah, but Word, you've pasted things into all the time! |
| 20:39 | <&Reiver> | That'll do. The file sizes aren't even stupid. |
| 20:39 | <&Reiver> | ... what, why is the IT guy crying? |
| 20:39 | <~Vornicus> | actually, they are |
| 20:39 | <~Vornicus> | (the file sizes, that is) |
| 20:40 | <~Vornicus> | paste a 45kb jpeg into word and suddenly it's like 3 MB |
| 20:40 | <&Reiver> | Are they worse than a fullscreen capture of a bmp |
| 20:40 | <~Vornicus> | well okay no |
| 20:40 | <&Reiver> | Because remember for an awfully long time, that's what Paint would do to you |
| 20:41 | <&Reiver> | Microsoft literally and actively harmed the computer literacy of entire generations by providing sufficiently crap picture editing default software, and I still have not forgiven them for this |
| 20:41 | <&Reiver> | Likewise, there's no excuse at all for Notepad not being slightly more competent and would have saved a great many woes over the years if they had done so |
| 20:42 | < Pinkhair> | By allowing different line endings? |
| 20:45 | <&McMartin> | There's a very good excuse for it. Just not one you'd accept. |
| 20:46 | < Mahal> | Um |
| 20:46 | <&McMartin> | But the excuse is "Notepad is the application you get if you Literally Hook Menus To The Text Edit Widget" |
| 20:46 | < Mahal> | Reiv, I'd point out that People use Word becuase it's What they Know |
| 20:46 | < Mahal> | if we taught that MS Paint _existed at all_ people would use it |
| 20:46 | < Mahal> | they _don't know it exists_ |
| 20:51 | <&Reiver> | Right |
| 20:51 | <&Reiver> | But part of why they were never taught is there was so little benefit in bothering |
| 20:51 | <&Reiver> | But yeah |
| 20:52 | <&Reiver> | McMartin, Pinkhair: Different line endings, restore-from-restart, ability to recognise overlarge files |
| 20:52 | <&Reiver> | I am fine with Notepad's incredible simple starting capability |
| 20:52 | <&Reiver> | ...But i could have used an update about two decades ago. |
| 20:52 | <&Reiver> | *it |
| 20:52 | <~Vornicus> | restore from restart isn't a thing i ever noticed happening with *anything* until the past five or so years |
| 20:53 | < Pinkhair> | I don't want restore from restart as a default |
| 20:53 | < Mahal> | Fuck no |
| 20:53 | < Mahal> | I don't want restore from restart *ever* |
| 21:01 | <&Reiver> | uh |
| 21:01 | <&Reiver> | You enjoy having large amounts of work dissapear without comment then |
| 21:01 | <&Reiver> | Bearing in mind the PCs used to be /way/ better at shutting down without warning back in the day |
| 21:02 | <&Reiver> | And Word has had it for many many years |
| 21:02 | <&Reiver> | If this is bad let me know anyhow |
| 21:11 | < Mahal> | If I don't save my shit that's on me |
| 21:12 | < Mahal> | I like to open programs up and just have a fucking blank page |
| 21:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | Assuming by "restore from restart" you mean "when the editor starts, it restores your previous state including open files, unsaved changes, etc" this has been a feature in browsers for 20-odd years and in other editors for at least 15 and I love it. |
| 21:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | If I want a blank page I press ^N. |
| 21:12 | < Mahal> | Personal settings kept: sure. |
| 21:12 | < Mahal> | Other stuff: please fuck right off, I like a clean workspace. |
| 21:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | But "starting a new project" for me is much, much, much rarer than "I just ran out of battery power/had to reboot for updates/the cat sat on the power button and want to resume work on whatever I was doing before" |
| 21:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | Fortunately, in every program that has it this is an optional feature! |
| 21:13 | < Mahal> | indeed ^.^ |
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| 21:14 | < catalyst> | I do like having the workspace restored but I also always bind a key combo to "close all but this tab" |
| 21:22 | < Pinkhair> | Browsers do it badly. I need a third party tool for every browser I use to restore properly, so why bother having the feature? |
| 21:22 | < Pinkhair> | Nothing is made to properly handle more than five open tabs anymore. |
| 21:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | I've never had trouble with it on either chrom(e|ium) or firefox, with 50+ tabs |
| 21:45 | < Pinkhair> | That's still not many. Chrome is the worst since sometimes it just loses a session entirely; waterfox is much better but still not perfect. Water/firefox are much more likely to lose single tabs for me. |
| 21:46 | < Mahal> | To be fair I do keep three pinned tabs in my browser |
| 21:46 | < Mahal> | (Discord, Messenger, irc) |
| 21:46 | < Mahal> | otherwise, no thank you, no history |
| 22:20 | <&Reiver> | Mahal: My problem is that I would vastly prefer workspace restores for Notepad because so very, very many people use it as the go-to put-the-note-somewhere |
| 22:20 | <&Reiver> | And then if it fails to get saved, welp |
| 22:20 | <&Reiver> | This has resulted in a solution! |
| 22:20 | <&Reiver> | ... I know people who will open Word to jot down notes instead. |
| 22:20 | <&Reiver> | Not written-document notes |
| 22:20 | <&Reiver> | But "Place to put instructions dictated from the phone" |
| 22:20 | <&Reiver> | ... because if they have to restart they can get the instructions back. |
| 22:20 | <&Reiver> | -_- |
| 22:22 | < Pinkhair> | I usually have a few hundred tabs open. |
| 22:23 | < Mahal> | I don't understand how people keep track of that |
| 22:23 | < Mahal> | I go back to links, yes, but I open & close as I need them |
| 22:24 | < Mahal> | I just ... can't deal with it ALL BEING THERE ALL THE TIME |
| 22:24 | < Mahal> | (I am not judgin! it works for you, 100% great I am glad) |
| 22:24 | < Pinkhair> | Sadly, the people at Google think you are right and I am wrong and ARE happily judgemental. |
| 22:25 | < Pinkhair> | And everyone based their uis on what Google does. |
| 23:03 | < SmithKurosaki> | Back when I was using Opera, 100+ tabs wasn't out of the question. A lot of the time I just leave tabs open because it's something I want to go back to later, but doesn't require /repeated/ access, so no bookmark. With Chrome, it's more like 10-20, but I also run multiple accounts, so I'm looking at 20-50 per device |
| 23:04 | < SmithKurosaki> | Also, I think I'd like a restore on notepad, at least for work. Lots of c/p of random strings that need processing from excel -> webform |
| 23:08 | <&McMartin> | NP++ will generally do this, except when it doesn't and decides to block shutdown >_< |
| 23:14 | <&Reiver> | Yes, NP++ will indeed generally do this and function well |
| 23:14 | <&Reiver> | My point however |
| 23:14 | <&Reiver> | Is this is not a feature I want in NP++ |
| 23:14 | <&Reiver> | It is a feature I want in the default software that comes with Windows |
| 23:15 | <&Reiver> | Especially Windows 10 |
| 23:15 | <&Reiver> | The aggressive-about-involuntarily-restarting-your-computer edition! |
| 23:15 | < Pinkhair> | Well, I don't want windows 10 either |
| 23:15 | <&Reiver> | If you're gonna reboot my computer without asking overnight |
| 23:15 | <&Reiver> | You could at least have the good graces to update your fucking Notepad app to hold whatever it did when it restarted. |
| 23:16 | <&Reiver> | Yes, I can find alternatives. I can find alternatives to Paint, too. |
| 23:16 | <&Reiver> | Uncle Bob's Computer... does not have the alternatives. |
| 23:16 | <&Reiver> | Which is my objection, basically |
| 23:17 | <&Reiver> | Your bare-minimum-baseline-software for a PC does actually deserve some genuine attention. |
| 23:18 | <&Reiver> | And the Paint ribbon is embarrasing in being a ribbon, yet having no content. Why /not/ have some simple photo/screenshot editing tools on hand? No, no, you put it in a separate, awful, picture viewer instead. |
| 23:18 | <&Reiver> | Etc. |
| 23:18 | <&Reiver> | Shipped software need not be comprehensive, but utter neglect is unacceptable. |
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| 23:39 | < SmithKurosaki> | Agreed. |
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