| --- Log opened Tue Aug 11 00:00:51 2020 |
| 00:04 | <@Reiv> | Gotcha gotcha, thanks Mahal :) |
| 00:04 | <@Reiv> | That cliff notes summary was a good start for arguing that it really is their problem to take a look~ |
| 00:04 | <@Reiv> | Vornicus: ha ha ha |
| 00:04 | <@Reiv> | Also: Alas, it is the now-standard one for bold in Microsoft Teams, so expect it to become standard |
| 00:05 | < Mahal> | no, )emphasis( was me fucking up and I thought it was funny |
| 00:05 | < Mahal> | *is standard* |
| 00:07 | <@Reiv> | oh hahahah |
| 00:07 | <@Reiv> | i missed that entirely, well done me |
| 00:13 | < catalyst> | )this( makes me want to throw someone into the sea |
| 00:14 | < catalyst> | I could see it being a comment form in an esolang |
| 00:14 | < Mahal> | ^.^ |
| 00:27 | <@Reiv> | hahah |
| 00:27 | <@Reiv> | oh Mahal |
| 00:27 | <@Reiv> | the answer is even better than you could dream |
| 00:28 | <@Reiv> | The system to us called it fancy-pants KPI Reporting etc etc |
| 00:28 | <@Reiv> | The folder? |
| 00:28 | <@Reiv> | it was /testworkspace/ |
| 00:28 | < Mahal> | Lawl. |
| 00:28 | <@Reiv> | And got deleted as part of the general cleanup~ |
| 00:28 | <@Reiv> | We have, uh, undeleted it. |
| 00:28 | < Mahal> | Well done. |
| 00:28 | < Mahal> | I am afraid that was all on you, tbh |
| 00:29 | < Mahal> | (You as in "whichever idiot put "test" into "prod"") |
| 00:29 | <@Reiv> | hahah, yup |
| 00:29 | <@Reiv> | Or rather |
| 00:30 | <@Reiv> | "Turns out renaming the workspace does not /actually/ rename the workspace, don't do that and call it prod" |
| 00:30 | <@Reiv> | agile development: Gotta love it |
| 00:30 | < Mahal> | Yeah, you can't rename workspaces, the underlying Sharepoint library doesn't |
| 00:30 | < Mahal> | or something |
| 00:30 | < Mahal> | i forget because I don't really care, tbh |
| 00:30 | <@Reiv> | yup it's fine |
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| 01:28 | < catalyst> | fun fact: test is prod |
| 01:28 | < catalyst> | have fuuuun |
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| 02:47 | <@Reiv> | catalyst: Literally true with half our systems ;_; |
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| 09:18 | <@ErikMesoy> | man, GrepS has been an adventure, trying to take a simple programming skills test |
| 09:19 | <@ErikMesoy> | GrepS is a startup trying to provide more precise measurements of programming skills than the usual "X years experience". The boss at work thought it would be nice if a bunch of us took their measurement test to buff our resumes. |
| 09:21 | <@ErikMesoy> | Said test consists of giving me half-baked code to finish, skeletal structure to fill out according to spec, find and correct subtle logic errors in recursion, implement this drinking game simulator, implement statistical estimator, etc. |
| 09:21 | <@ErikMesoy> | To be done Java language on IntelliJ or Eclipse IDE according to my preference, provided in remote virtual machine. Seems a decent idea at least. Right? |
| 09:22 | <@ErikMesoy> | The first time I tried to take it, the virtual IntelliJ crashed partway through, froze when trying to reopen it, hard froze the entire session. :D |
| 09:22 | <@TheWatcher> | Noice |
| 09:23 | <@ErikMesoy> | We contacted their support and I tried again a few days later once we heard back it should be fixed. This time their server was sick and I couldn't connect to to the remote environment. :-D :-D |
| 09:24 | <@ErikMesoy> | More contacting their support, my manager gets involved, their boss gets involved to apologise, promises this really shouldn't happen again. The email exchange takes long enough that my prearranged vacation starts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 09:25 | <@ErikMesoy> | I come back from vacation and attempt to take/resume the GrepS test for the third time. After solving several problems, it says "Finished" and it also says "2 problems left. Estimated time 90 minutes." and there's an active [Done] button and a greyed-out [Next] button. |
| 09:26 | <@ErikMesoy> | We contact their support *again* and it turns out the reset after the first crash had messed up registration of the 2 problems I had gotten through then, so they were marked as having been done by me, but not having been done in this run, which caused their system to mess up display and counting of my progress. :-D :-D :-D |
| 09:26 | <@TheWatcher> | I'm getting the impression that this is a well-polished product clearly ready for public use *nods* |
| 09:29 | <@ErikMesoy> | The boss at GrepS says there's no need for me to keep banging my head against it, the completed problems are enough for them to derive results. (This will be a composite of time used, accuracy to spec, programming patterns, etc.) The result with my skill estimate will be sent tomorrow. They said on Wednesday. |
| 09:29 | <@ErikMesoy> | My manager logs into the control panel to view the status of all the workplace employees who have taken it and finds that my GrepS test status is still In Progress, while everyone else has completed just fine and gotten their results. |
| 09:30 | <@ErikMesoy> | We have informed them of this and requested explicit finalization and results delivery. We are now joking at work about potentially charging GrepS for providing testing services. :-P |
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| 09:35 | <@ErikMesoy> | I'm still sympathetic to their pitch though. Especially considering the coworkers got through fine. |
| 09:37 | <@TheWatcher> | I mean, I guess. Requiring Eclipse or Intellij is kinda eeeeeh, but in a world where you can't necessarily trust that someone's github really is their work... |
| 09:40 | <@ErikMesoy> | The code examples are by necessity quite small since I have to do several of them in a workday, but they looked to me like at least vaguely reasonable examples of what I might be working with in practice? |
| 09:41 | <@ErikMesoy> | Here is functional code but the customer wants a change to spec, implement the change. Here is mostly-functional code that has subtle error on edge cases, find and fix the error. Here is code with a chain of if-thens and magic numbers, refactor it. |
| 09:42 | <@ErikMesoy> | *if-elses |
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| 10:00 | <&McMartin> | Whoops |
| 10:01 | | * McMartin translates one of his C++ codewars solutions into OCaml and abruptly jumps 3 ranks, causing OCaml to suddenly outrank Python |
| 10:01 | <&McMartin> | Codewars appears to break down at the high end as well as the low~ |
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| 13:34 | <@ErikMesoy> | The GrepS skill report has eventually arrived. It says I'm above average as a whole, but I'm bad at object orientation and refactoring. Apparently the expected refactoring was that I should have used more NounFactoryPatterns. |
| 13:36 | <@ErikMesoy> | Might one of you recommend a good guide to Java FactoryPatterns? The examples on Google seem to be mostly either trivial examples or dry specs. |
| 13:46 | <&[R]> | Group of Four? |
| 13:59 | <@ErikMesoy> | That's a set of people, not a guide. I take it you mean their Design Patterns book? |
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| 14:02 | <&[R]> | Yeah |
| 14:33 | <@abudhabi> | I have this irrational irritation at applications that pretend to be desktop programs, but are just browser containers for a web app. Is that normal? |
| 14:34 | <&[R]> | Ehh |
| 14:34 | <&[R]> | In some way desktop UI APIs are crap, but HTML is its own beast |
| 14:35 | <&[R]> | Of course, if they do it in such a way that it runs like hot garbage, then yeah, that's stupid |
| 14:35 | <@abudhabi> | It tends to be that way. |
| 14:35 | <@abudhabi> | Fucking JS. |
| 14:37 | <&[R]> | No, fuck crap JS libraries |
| 14:50 | <~Vornicus> | Having tried and failed many times to do layout in things other than HTML, HTML is a godsend |
| 14:50 | <&[R]> | Yeah |
| 15:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | Except when it's not |
| 15:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | [screams at DoomRL-server] |
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| 20:48 | <&McMartin> | This looks sillier than it is https://www.designedbycave.co.uk/2020/LEGO-Interface-UX/ |
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| 20:58 | <~Vornicus> | about that editing though: "the shape coding that helped to irradiate the problem" |
| 20:59 | <~Vornicus> | And yeah that's pretty good |
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| --- Log closed Wed Aug 12 00:00:53 2020 |