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| 04:16 | | * McMartin begins outlining an article entitled "DirectX 9: A Sudden, but Inevitable Betrayal" |
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| 17:50 | | * TheWatcher eyes Unity |
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| 17:52 | <@TheWatcher> | ... why am I suddenly getting a bunch of "Recursive Serialization is not supported" errors on starting, but only on starting it. |
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| 20:47 | <&jeroud> | People who make arbitrary decisions about the semantic content of "empty" fields in user-provided data structures, please form an orderly line in front of the disintegration booth. |
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| 20:51 | | * jeroud lost most of the day to incomprehensible failures caused by https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/kustomize/issues/2734 |
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| 21:19 | | * TheWatcher ughs |
| 21:19 | <@TheWatcher> | So, it looks like something - fuck knows what - in my unity project is corrupt |
| 21:24 | <&jeroud> | I blame idiots with compilers. |
| 21:24 | <&jeroud> | (Present company excluded.) |
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| 21:47 | <@TheWatcher> | Hrm. Reinstalling unity fixed it. Riight. |
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| 22:18 | <&McMartin> | Hmm. |
| 22:18 | <&McMartin> | A thought to direct, I guess, mainly at jerith. |
| 22:18 | <&McMartin> | I have in the past struggled with the ML family of languages' claims to be suitable for large-scale software projects, and in particular for the claim that structures and (particularly) functors were a mechanism to do so. |
| 22:19 | <&McMartin> | Structures map fairly cleanly to the notion of modules, but most uses of Functors I had seen ended up looking like a cheap way around what would otherwise be issues with type-checking. |
| 22:20 | <&McMartin> | Talks from the industry use of the languages didn't really help me because their use of these features appeared to be restricted to the implementation of data structures, and while they touted great value from the language, they did not particularly program in the large as software engineers consider it. |
| 22:20 | <&McMartin> | (Mostly in-house financial sector work that isn't better handled by Mass Batch Operations) |
| 22:20 | <&jeroud> | I should note that the biggest OCaml project I've done was an AMQP library that maybe hit a thousand or so lines of handcrafted code. |
| 22:21 | <&McMartin> | Yep, and the stuff the finance guys talked about seemed about that scale too |
| 22:21 | <&jeroud> | (Plus a bunch of generated code.) |
| 22:21 | <&McMartin> | But that means that you've done OCaml projects, and might have an opinion on this thought: |
| 22:21 | <&McMartin> | that functors are a more structure method of dealing with the C technique usually called X-Macros. |
| 22:21 | <&McMartin> | *more structured |
| 22:22 | <&jeroud> | I remember finding functors much more limiting than I'd hoped. |
| 22:24 | <&jeroud> | They're basically a collision between module-shaped functions and templated modules. |
| 22:24 | <&McMartin> | This also matches my experience, and this also made the chapter of "ML For The Working Programmer", which I otherwise greatly enjoyed, particularly baffling. |
| 22:24 | <&McMartin> | X-Macros turn out to also be such a collision! |
| 22:25 | <&McMartin> | ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Macro ) |
| 22:31 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, yeah. I had an idea for a small personal static-analysis tool, and I'm torn between using it to put OCaml through its paces, or using it to sharpen my Rust skills. |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | The more I remind myself of how awful ML'90 syntax was, the more I lean towards the latter~ |
| 22:34 | <&jeroud> | Honestly, I'd pick F# over OCaml basically every time. |
| 23:17 | | * TheWatcher eyes |
| 23:17 | <@TheWatcher> | Looks like I spoke to soon |
| 23:18 | <@TheWatcher> | 30 errors, all "Recursive Serialization is not supported" |
| 23:18 | | * TheWatcher sighs, guesses he'll be rebuilding this project then |
| 23:19 | <@Reiv> | ow |
| 23:22 | <@TheWatcher> | Irritating, but I was intending to clean up some of the stuff in there anyway. |
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