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| 16:28 | <@TheWatcher> | ffs, if I see "TabError: inconsistent use of tabs and spaces in indentation" one more fucking time I'm going to hunt down every single fucking idiot who thought that making a fucking language sensitive to godsdamned whitespace characters was a brilliant idea and beat the everliving shit out of them |
| 16:37 | < Pink> | Feed them to a python. |
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| 19:47 | <~Vornicus> | as a person whose primary language is python |
| 19:47 | <~Vornicus> | I can count the number of times I've gotten that error on one hand |
| 19:49 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, if I was writing my own python from scratch, I probably wouldn't see it often, either |
| 19:50 | <@TheWatcher> | but I'm not, I'm trying to fix up code written by a PhD student who had a very interesting approach to writing code, like using spaces in one file and tabs in another (aside from the files where he'd already used a mix) |
| 19:50 | <~Vornicus> | fuckin' yikes |
| 19:59 | <&McMartin> | Oh no, academic code |
| 20:07 | <&[R]> | <TheWatcher> but I'm not, I'm trying to fix up code written by a PhD student who had a very interesting approach to writing code, like using spaces in one file and tabs in another (aside from the files where he'd already used a mix) <-- he commited broken code? |
| 20:08 | <@TheWatcher> | Apparently python2.7 let you do shit like that? |
| 20:08 | <&McMartin> | "PhD student project" -- you're being *real* generous in assuming their source control system wasn't a directory full of zip files |
| 20:08 | <&McMartin> | And python2 has always allowed that under two circumstances |
| 20:08 | <@TheWatcher> | You're being generous assuming that he had any zip files |
| 20:08 | <&McMartin> | -- if all stanzas are consistent you're fine, so if you went Back To Zero it'll reset expectations |
| 20:09 | <&McMartin> | -- I have a vague recollection that in at least early years of Python 2 -- like, turn of the century early -- there was a rule that Tabs Are 8 Spaces, and if that makes indentation work, then that's what it will do. |
| 20:10 | <@TheWatcher> | (This is all secondary to the point that only a fucking monster makes code behaviour depend on unrendered characters, but this is probably an axe I will grind to my dying day) |
| 20:11 | <@ErikMesoy> | <Linux voice> there's a file you can configure to display them as rendered characters |
| 20:12 | <&McMartin> | Yeah,it'sveryhardtoconvincepeoplethatspacesarenotrendered |
| 20:16 | <@ErikMesoy> | I meant like this: https://i.imgur.com/i95OeBV.png clearly distinguishing spaces and tabs |
| 20:16 | <~Vornicus> | Youdidthatthelazyway |
| 20:17 | <@TheWatcher> | ErikMesoy: so instead of just using fucking braces like any sane language, I'm required to pollute my UI with unnecessary shit just to compensate for the lunatic decision to make whitespace important? |
| 20:21 | <~Vornicus> | Whatthefuckdidyoujustfuckingsayaboutme,youlittlebitch?I'llhaveyouknowIgraduatedtopofmyclassintheNavySeals,andI'vebeeninvolvedinnumeroussecretraidsonAl-Quaeda,andIhaveover300confirmedkills. |
| 20:22 | <~Vornicus> | bah, my xchat doesn't recognize them properly |
| 20:22 | <@ErikMesoy> | You ain't required to do shit. I was half joking in the usual #code way of technical nitpicks and overly literal readings, half trying to provide serious help/reminder that here's a way to get visual distinction of tabs and spaces at a glance. |
| 20:22 | <@ErikMesoy> | I did not think you would be so upset and I apologize for taunting you. |
| 20:31 | <@TheWatcher> | Nah it's fine, please don't apologise - I really shouldn't get quite so sweary about it, so my apologies for excessive ranting. I am going to kick this student's arse if I see him, though. |
| 20:33 | <@ErikMesoy> | Maybe require the *student* to turn on display whitespace characters in editor? ;-) |
| 20:35 | <@gnolam> | TheWatcher: just checking: are you aware of Tools/scripts/reindent.py ? |
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