| --- Log opened Sun Jul 12 00:00:28 2020 |
| 00:30 | <@Alek> | [18:28] * @Alek facedesks. |
| 00:30 | <@Alek> | [18:28] <@Alek> using a large png for logo. |
| 00:30 | <@Alek> | [18:29] <@Alek> one size for desktop: 50% of screen width. |
| 00:30 | <@Alek> | [18:29] <@Alek> another size for mobile: 100% of screen width. |
| 00:30 | <@Alek> | [18:29] <@Alek> only on mobile it overflows and displays as 100% of its size instead. why? how to force it down? |
| 00:31 | <~Vornicus> | width: 100vw |
| 00:32 | <@Alek> | doesn't work, sadly |
| 00:33 | <@Alek> | @media only screen and (max-width: 768px) { |
| 00:33 | <@Alek> | /* for mobile phones */ |
| 00:33 | <@Alek> | [class*="responsive-"]{ |
| 00:33 | <@Alek> | max-width: 100vw; |
| 00:33 | <@Alek> | height: auto; |
| 00:33 | <@Alek> | } |
| 00:33 | <@Alek> | } |
| 00:38 | <@Alek> | ha, here's the funny part. on my old phone it overflows, but on dad's new phone it pulls the 50% version instead, probably because it has a higher width than my limit. >_> |
| 00:39 | <@Alek> | no difference between displaying default and pulling the desktop version. :P |
| 00:55 | <@Alek> | augh |
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| 01:24 | <@Alek> | ... apparently the @media section doesn't actually work and my phone was displaying huge because of a cache error, and now displays equal to the desktop version at 50% |
| 01:25 | | * Alek sighs, leaves it for now. |
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| 21:56 | < Mahal> | I may have done an unwise thing, and I would like some older-in-code and wiser-in-code heads to proffer advice. |
| 21:56 | < Mahal> | I am not a coder. I am, however, an experienced sysadmin with reasonable hours in Powershell. |
| 21:57 | < Mahal> | Some of the helpdesk team at my employer are keen to get into Powershell, automating things to make their lives easier. I am 100% in favour of this - it's good experience and shows willing to move up in the ranks, blah-de-blah |
| 21:57 | <@mac> | First you must pass The CHallanges to prove yourself worthy of the Anciant Wisdom. |
| 21:57 | < Mahal> | We need some code review and on the basis that basically me and one other person round here are 'experienced' POwershell-ers, I've just found myself responsible for code review and release. |
| 21:58 | < Mahal> | Thus far, I have a header template that I intend to insist everyone uses |
| 21:58 | < Mahal> | (it's a basic "what's this for / what does it do / who approved it" which I already use in my own scripts) |
| 21:58 | < Mahal> | I have a central location for 'approved' scripts |
| 21:58 | < Mahal> | we don't have a github or anything - it's been on my backburner forever to try and set one up but welp, that's not happening at the moment |
| 21:59 | < Mahal> | I want to encourage them to do things, not make it too hard |
| 21:59 | < Mahal> | I also want a bit of accountability and set#2 of eyeballs on a script before other people start using it |
| 21:59 | < Mahal> | So, what pitfalls have I just set myself up for, and how can I pre-emptively avoid them by smart planning |
| 22:17 | <&jerith> | It's important to make code reviews easy and visible. |
| 22:17 | < Mahal> | So, I'm coming from a place where I haven't _had_ any code review |
| 22:18 | < Mahal> | I write my own scripts, at best I manage to wrangle a colleague into passing a common-sense eye on it |
| 22:18 | < Mahal> | and then I pray~ |
| 22:18 | <&jerith> | Much as I dislike github's review UI (although it's much better than it was), it's very easy to use from both sides. |
| 22:18 | < Mahal> | My problem is, uh |
| 22:19 | <&jerith> | Hrm. Is the unit of review typically "here's a new independent script I wrote" or "here are some changes I made to this existing script"? |
| 22:19 | < Mahal> | Pass, this is fairly new to all of us |
| 22:19 | < Mahal> | In my case, the latter, but it's me reviewing my own shit to-date, so |
| 22:19 | < Mahal> | I have a set of conflicting requirements here, may I burble for a bit? |
| 22:19 | < Mahal> | 1) Most Powershell scripts/modules need to run locally-ish |
| 22:20 | < Mahal> | 2) I need a central repository for management of same |
| 22:20 | < Mahal> | 3) I don't at all understand github and probably need github for Real Fucking Dummies |
| 22:20 | <&jerith> | Burble away! :-) |
| 22:21 | < Mahal> | I want to be able to do things like "create my own POwershell module - which generally runs from %userprofile%\Documents\WindowsPowershell\Modules - that updates from $networkshare\location\HelldeskModules as needed" |
| 22:21 | < Mahal> | (you can tell Powershell to go looking for updates in $location and pull it down locally) |
| 22:21 | < Mahal> | but I want updates to be reviewed, so as to not break everythign |
| 22:33 | < Mahal> | Maybe I'm just trying to eat an elephant |
| 22:34 | <&jerith> | If you have more than a handful of these things (and probably even if you don't), you'll want some kind of revision control for them. |
| 22:35 | < Mahal> | Yeah, that's one of the things I'm struggling with |
| 22:35 | < Mahal> | something like github is the obvious option BUT I need things to live locally |
| 22:35 | < Mahal> | and I don't want to run a whole behemoth of a system for like |
| 22:35 | < Mahal> | ten scripts |
| 22:35 | < Mahal> | and .... |
| 22:35 | | * Mahal stares sadly at elephants |
| 22:36 | <&jerith> | Does your organization have a dev team? |
| 22:36 | <&jerith> | If so, what do they use? |
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| 22:39 | < Mahal> | They do - Azure Devops / Github |
| 22:40 | < Mahal> | the last time I asked them for ideas i basically got "here's an elephant, go eat it" which was not helpful |
| 22:40 | < Mahal> | like, I'm not asking people to do this for me, I"m asking where I start to understand what I want to do |
| 22:41 | < Mahal> | and everyone I ask already understands this and tries to drop me in the deep end and I'm fundamentally missing something[s] and I don't know how to ask how to fill in the gaps |
| 22:46 | <&jerith> | Mahal: If they're already using github, surely it should be okay for you as well? |
| 22:48 | < Mahal> | I think the problem I have is that they're all developers, coming from a functional background of knowing how to use these tools |
| 22:48 | <&jerith> | Unless "need things to live locally" refers to deployment target rather than a prohibition on putting certain things in the cloud. |
| 22:48 | < Mahal> | I need the "I am a total and complete intern-newb in year one of a CS degree" version of how to use a code repo |
| 22:48 | < Mahal> | (Deployment target is local) |
| 22:48 | < Mahal> | (No cloud prohibitions) |
| 22:49 | < Mahal> | so that's part of the problem, I need to know what tool to go find the 101 on |
| 22:49 | < Mahal> | but when I ask questions like that I don't get the answer I'm after and so I guess I'm asking it wrong, somehow |
| 22:49 | < Mahal> | but I'm not sure what to ask instead because I don't know enough :D |
| 22:49 | <&jerith> | Firstly, you're significantly smarter and more capable than many people I've interacted with on github. The problem here is one of finding the right materials. |
| 22:50 | <&jerith> | Have you had a look at https://guides.github.com/ ? (I haven't yet, beyond finding it in a websearch.) |
| 22:50 | | * Mahal waves hands vaguely |
| 22:50 | < Mahal> | I have, but part of my 'problem' is that I don't know if this is the right tool? |
| 22:51 | < Mahal> | like, ideally it would live somehow in MS land so that I could get the Helpdesk authing to it with their SSO logons |
| 22:51 | < Mahal> | can I do that with github? or visual studio online? |
| 22:51 | < Mahal> | or something else? |
| 22:51 | <&jerith> | It's definitely true that git is a vast and complex beast, but it's also true that you don't need to touch most of the complexity. |
| 22:51 | <&jerith> | Microsoft owns github, so. |
| 22:52 | <&jerith> | I'm not sure about sso or anything, though. |
| 22:52 | <~Vornicus> | I still need to learn the absolute basics of github |
| 22:52 | <&jerith> | But we have some of our project managers on github, so the barrier isn't that high. |
| 22:54 | <&jerith> | Mahal: Given your stated requirements, I think github is an adequate (although perhaps not ideal) tool for this. However, it has the singular advantage of being the One Big Thing everyone knows in this space. |
| 22:54 | <~Vornicus> | Every time I try I run into some issue that I missed some important detail somewhere so it gives me an error I don't understand |
| 22:54 | <@gnolam> | Mahal: IIRC, "Azure DevOps" is simply what they call TFS these days. In that case, it should have all the functionality you need. It's very much in Microsoft Land, so I assume it should work with whatever sign-in solution you have. |
| 22:56 | <&jerith> | I don't know Azure DevOps or TFS, but I certainly trust gnolam's recommendation. |
| 22:56 | <@gnolam> | It has the GitHub functionality you want - i.e. "central repository" and "let you do reviews on what people want to contribute". |
| 22:57 | <@gnolam> | And at least if you host it locally (you can either rent hosting from them or run it on-premises), you can automate the "$networkshare\location\HelldeskModules" update process. |
| 23:01 | < Mahal> | this is where I ran into issues with our own devs last time |
| 23:01 | < Mahal> | "hey, i want a devops project too, how do I do this without breaking any of y'alls shit" |
| 23:01 | <@gnolam> | E.g. I have a repository for customer-specific files that, on commit, is automatically checked out to a network share folder. So that everyone, even the non-techy people, can just go to X:\Stuff to get the latest version of the customer files instead of having to faff about with git. |
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