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| 00:30 | <@celticminstrel> | XD |
| 00:31 | < Mahal> | We've run into this at my own employer - well-meaning HR Twit tried to make the job posting prettier and just fucked. it. up. |
| 00:32 | < Mahal> | These days we solve the issue with an 'HR can edit this" section and an "HR: do not edit this" section |
| 00:32 | <&[R]> | Fair enough, I was just taking the word of an HR person |
| 00:32 | < Mahal> | then they can do whatever they want with the pretty wordy bits and leave the tech stack alone |
| 00:32 | < Mahal> | And hiring managers do write the requirements in _good_ companies |
| 00:32 | < Mahal> | but not all companies are good :P |
| 00:33 | < Mahal> | mine is pretty good, but once in awhile you do have to turn "Tech" into "Comprehensible English" and that's where the misunderstandings occur |
| 01:03 | <&Reiver> | [R]: You strike me as being somewhat young and idealistic. Would this be an accurate assesment? |
| 01:10 | <&[R]> | Ehhh |
| 01:11 | <&[R]> | I'd say I'm a little jaded and burned and trying to get myself together after having a long depression |
| 01:11 | <&[R]> | Maybe in that way I'm young (as I consider the entirety of those depression years as "lost") |
| 01:11 | <&[R]> | But I'm not over the hill either |
| 01:44 | <~Vornicus> | translate * scale * yaw * pitch * reorder |
| 01:58 | <~Vornicus> | I need to get the data from yaw * pitch * reorder first to collect the data I need to calculate scale and translate. |
| 02:32 | < Mahal> | [R] - I would qualify Reiv's statement as "you come across as quite early in your career, if not young in years" |
| 02:34 | <&Reiver> | an accurate qualifier |
| 02:37 | < catalyst> | even though I had worked there for a couple years, a new hire once described me as still feeling like the new person there |
| 02:38 | < catalyst> | does that track at all? I never quite understood what he meant |
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| 04:09 | <&Reiver> | catalyst: It's quite possible you still didn't act like you fully fit in, with the subtle insecurities of a newbie? |
| 04:10 | <&Reiver> | (of course, the insecurities might have been something totally unrelated to that, but it's how they might read it, or something) |
| 04:10 | | * Reiver is just guessing, but has noticed that in other staff, sometimes. |
| 04:30 | < Mahal> | Same - anyone with anxiety issues or what have you 'appears' new, as that "sense of belonging" is generally hand-in-hand with "confidence" |
| 04:31 | < Mahal> | I've noticed it myself - when I"ve had non-work stuff affecting my mindset, my work persona is different. |
| 04:31 | < Mahal> | In the last ~year or so my non-work stuff settled down and my confidence at work blossomed as a result, because I wasn't constantly spending spoons on anxiety |
| 04:31 | < Mahal> | It's been commented on (in a positive way) by staff who've known me for a long time - remembering I've been at my employer for ten years - that the last year or so has been a big change in how I present at work |
| 04:32 | < Mahal> | and it's got bugger-all to do with my knowledge at _work_ changing |
| 04:32 | < Mahal> | it's that I'm no longer an anxious stressed mess _outside_ of work |
| 04:46 | <&Reiver> | Yeah, that. |
| 04:46 | <&Reiver> | Mahal, once again, beats me at my own game~ |
| 04:51 | < Mahal> | sorry?? |
| 04:51 | < Mahal> | :D :D :D |
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| 08:34 | < catalyst> | oh, I guess I've never felt that confident in myself |
| 08:34 | < catalyst> | but that makes sense |
| 08:35 | < catalyst> | how *do* you project a feeling of fitting in? |
| 08:37 | <&Reiver> | Having enough confidence is key. |
| 08:37 | <&Reiver> | Of course, the most common way to project confidence is /being/ confident, in a workplace, that You're Meant To Be There, as it were |
| 08:37 | <&Reiver> | It's a tricky one, isn't it |
| 08:43 | < catalyst> | it's difficult if you believe that you aren't ever 100% and you're convinced you're a fraud who is going to get fired because you can't keep up |
| 08:43 | < catalyst> | thanks, trauma and needing to use work to escape from it |
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| 09:16 | <@TheWatcher> | Imposter syndrome is a bugger. |
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| 09:25 | <@abudhabi> | It is. |
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| 22:44 | <&ToxicFrog> | Lua 5.4 is out, so I'm going to have to build a vstruct release for it |
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