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| 17:58 | <&[R]> | <mrguyorama> So fun story: Lot's of python is handed off to C libraries to do the actual work, like strftime |
| 17:58 | <&[R]> | <mrguyorama> turns out, not every underlying library that python calls out to for that is the same on every machine |
| 17:58 | <&[R]> | <mrguyorama> meaning a unit test passed on our local macbooks and failed in our jenkins |
| 17:58 | <&[R]> | <mrguyorama> What the fuck is the point of a high level language if you still end up fucked by low level stuff |
| 18:19 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody|afk |
| 18:26 | <@TheWatcher> | Honestly, I think the real lesson there is that the validity of your testing strategy is only as valid as the least-tested part of the entire system. |
| 18:31 | < ErikMesoy> | This was apparently known long enough to be in Python 2 docs: https://docs.python.org/2/library/datetime.html#strftime-and-strptime-behavior |
| 18:31 | < ErikMesoy> | "The full set of format codes supported varies across platforms, because Python calls the platform C library’s strftime() function, and platform variations are common. [...] The following is a list of all the format codes that the C standard (1989 version) requires, and these work on all platforms with a standard C implementation." |
| 18:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, this is pretty common and I don't think I've ever used a HLL that didn't have a warning in the documentation at points where you would run into platform-specific behaviour |
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| 21:22 | <&McMartin> | Really this includes C itself |
| 21:23 | <&McMartin> | And if you're going to be particularly strict about it, it includes assembly language. |
| 21:24 | <&McMartin> | Most 486s had a serious bug in the HALT instruction that meant that if your program was to potentially run on 486s you needed to avoid the instruction entirely~ |
| 21:24 | <~Vornicus> | the vagaries of floating point implementations are well known and many systems include hardware-independence libraries that you just plain don't use unless you want to kill performance |
| 21:25 | <&McMartin> | (I suppose characterizing the return value of CPUID as "platform dependent" is kind of cheating, but...) |
| 21:25 | <~Vornicus> | that is cheating. |
| 21:26 | <&McMartin> | And to answer this question: |
| 21:26 | <&McMartin> | <mrguyorama> What the fuck is the point of a high level language if you still end up fucked by low level stuff |
| 21:27 | <&McMartin> | I present it as a maxim that one cannot properly use a tool at any level of abstraction without at least a working knowledge of the levels of abstraction immediately above and immediately below you. |
| 21:27 | <&McMartin> | If your language forwards to the C runtime, a proficient developer in that language needs a passing knowledge of the basics of C. |
| 21:27 | <&McMartin> | A C programmer needs a passing knowledge of the basics of assembler. |
| 21:28 | <&McMartin> | An assembly language programmer needs some familiarity with the hardware their code will target. |
| 21:28 | <&McMartin> | Likewise, an assembly language programmer should be able to build functions and structures by hand, and a C programmer should be able to build modules and objects and lambdas by hand. |
| 21:29 | <&McMartin> | They won't necessarily be *doing* so, at least not within that language, but they need to be able to know how to and to identify when someone else's code is attempting to do so. |
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| 22:10 | <@sshine> | https://i.imgur.com/kjCkhdk.png |
| 22:10 | <@sshine> | halp |
| 22:10 | <@sshine> | (not actually, this is just funny.) |
| 22:10 | <~Vornicus> | what. |
| 22:11 | <@sshine> | I think it means to say that some project file entity named "11.0.4" had its value changed to the value "11.0.6"... |
| 22:11 | <@sshine> | but also, what. |
| 22:13 | <@sshine> | I have two IntelliJ projects open at once. one's window is frozen and the other's menus are all disabled. |
| 22:13 | <@sshine> | I feel like my reality made more sense before I got high this evening, but I also feel like the dissonance is not entirely within my own head |
| 22:14 | <@sshine> | I wonder how I cope with this on an hourly basis when sober. |
| 22:16 | <@sshine> | ps ax | grep -i intellij | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill -9 # I miss non-IDE editors. |
| 22:18 | <@sshine> | IntelliJ. more like. UnintelliJ! |
| 22:19 | | * TheWatcher patpats, applies emacs |
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