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| 13:05 | | * gnolam sighs. |
| 13:06 | < Emmy> | 0.o |
| 13:06 | < Emmy> | what's got you down, o metallic scandinavian one? |
| 13:06 | <@gnolam> | Whenever you find a package that actually does what you need, it's inevitably gone unmaintained for five years or so. |
| 13:07 | < Emmy> | :( |
| 13:07 | < Emmy> | OSS? |
| 13:07 | <@gnolam> | That is the default state of OSS, yes. |
| 13:09 | <@gnolam> | (Related: trying to find answers to Linux questions. If you do find an answer, it'll always be x years old at which point the maintainers will have ripped out that system and replaced it with another one Just Because, so it won't do you any good.) |
| 13:09 | < Emmy> | relatable. |
| 13:09 | < Emmy> | nowadays i find my employ and games in the realm of windows, so i'm less into OSS than i used to be, but i remember the feeling |
| 13:10 | < Emmy> | fortunately i've never run into really unsolvable issues because i stuck to the Mint>Ubuntu>Debian environments |
| 13:11 | <@gnolam> | Applies to those as well. |
| 13:12 | <@gnolam> | Though I'd like to amend my first statement: it's inevitably either gone unmaintained for five years or so, or it doesn't support the platform that you are actually using. |
| 13:13 | <@TheWatcher> | Or it has been subsumed into the systemd collective and is now as broken, but with an extra level of wtfery to manage it~ |
| 13:15 | < Emmy> | Not that those environments don't have those issues, it's mostly that i'm enough of a typical (if power-) user that the issue is usually solvable by googling for (issue+mint), then trying +ubuntu if that didn't help, and ultimately debian if desperate. :P |
| 13:59 | <@gnolam> | "Oh great! A Python package that does exactly what I need! ... that somehow only supports Python 2.x despite this being the year 20-fucking-20." |
| 13:59 | <@gnolam> | So... goddamned... often. |
| 14:11 | < Emmy> | where are we now, 3.2 or so? |
| 14:12 | < ErikMesoy> | 3.8 |
| 14:13 | < Emmy> | lol |
| 14:14 | < ErikMesoy> | To give some time context: the machine I'm currently on has a 3.6 Python that's now two years old. |
| 14:14 | <@TheWatcher> | With work going on for 3.9 |
| 14:14 | < Emmy> | obviously XD |
| 14:14 | < Emmy> | i tend to work with programming languages that haven't had major development in like 10yrs :P |
| 14:15 | <@TheWatcher> | COBOL?~ |
| 14:16 | < Emmy> | amazingly, no. |
| 14:16 | < Emmy> | VBA |
| 14:17 | < Emmy> | with Jet SQL and T-SQL, and the occasional cooperation with colleagues in C# |
| 14:21 | < Emmy> | I suppose T-SQL and C# are still evolving, but Jet SQL and VBA are stable to sat the least |
| 14:25 | < Emmy> | Urgh. there's one disadvantage to having a keyboard on your main desk while in the process of an attempted repair |
| 14:25 | < Emmy> | I keep subconsciously reaching for it to use the PC instead of the actually working emergency replacement |
| 15:07 | < catalyst> | All of the libraries for doing SIMD backed vector work in Rust are Wrong |
| 15:07 | < catalyst> | Should I write my own? |
| 15:08 | < catalyst> | Well, 3D math libraries anyway |
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| 15:34 | <@gnolam> | Despite all the shit as I get to deal with on a daily basis, there is one thing that I really appreciate with this job: I can be as sarky or foul-mouthed as I want in an e-mail as long as it's internal. |
| 15:34 | <@gnolam> | It is very often warranted. |
| 15:42 | < Emmy> | lol |
| 15:43 | < Emmy> | probably not a good idea at mine |
| 15:44 | < Emmy> | heck, i barely avoided going of the handle at a colleague because of his reaction to my exasperated WTFing yesterday |
| 15:45 | < Emmy> | I thought i was WTFing under my breath, turned out i wasn't ^.^; |
| 15:46 | < Emmy> | i was working on code with a very high WTF quotient while having trouble concentrating, exacerbated by his constant babbling the whole day through |
| 15:47 | < Emmy> | and then he had the gall to react like i disturbed a sacred ritual during a call when i wtf'ed once more. |
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| 19:47 | <&McMartin> | catalyst: You're on my shortlist of people where I'd trust that judgement, tbh |
| 19:47 | <&McMartin> | (the SIMD thing from a few hours back) |
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| 20:43 | < Emmy> | trust no one! |
| 20:43 | < Emmy> | especially not yourself! |
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| 21:31 | < catalyst> | McMartin: fair |
| 21:31 | < catalyst> | Rust seems quite good at stitching vector ops together |
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| 22:21 | < SmithKurosaki> | Evening all. Who knows the ways of SQL? I have an access DB at work and need to figure out just how screwed I am if I were try to migrate and set up a web page to feed the new sql db |
| 22:42 | < SmithKurosaki> | Currently FE/BE are both in access, and people keep leaving the FE open, causing a glitched lock which prevents everyone else from using it, so now I get to try to help figure out how to at least convert the BE to SQL, if not also converting FE (VBasic + macros) to a webpage interface as there is an admin vs standard user seperation needed (but not enforced by login) |
| 22:44 | <~Vornicus> | I've seen some very involved Access "databases" |
| 22:45 | < SmithKurosaki> | Fair |
| 22:46 | < SmithKurosaki> | Not sure if this will help, but: Basic use cases for this are 'end user' who uses VB/macro Front End to search for items, retrieve files based on search vs 'Admin' aka me and my coworkers/bosses who enter data (using a seperate portion of the FE) |
| 22:47 | < SmithKurosaki> | There are a fair number of relational tables, but not overly complicated to edit backend when I mess up entering things |
| 22:49 | < SmithKurosaki> | I was hoping someone on here had maybe done a migration and might be able to point me to some reliable information as I have never touched SQL. The m$ pages I found make it sound simple, but I'm sure there are about a million reasons why that's not true |
| 22:55 | <@sshine> | I've been trying to make something work in Vue.js for an hour now, so eventually I gave up and started moving the broken code into a "minimal reproducible example" so I could show the internet and ask, but of course this example works. damn it, I never get to ask helpless questions!: ( |
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| 22:56 | <@sshine> | this will be tomorrow's challenge. nite! |
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| 23:01 | | * Reiv raises an eyebrow |
| 23:01 | <@Reiv> | You're using Access, you're doomed |
| 23:05 | <~Vornicus> | the point is to stop using access~ |
| 23:06 | <~Vornicus> | I know there's exporters and stuff, but like - it's the visual basic and macros and stuff that will be harder |
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| 23:08 | < Emmy> | SmithKurosaki, I am a professional access VBA+SQL programmer, but it's bedtime for me right now. if you come online on an earlier moment tomorrow i could help you |
| 23:09 | < SmithKurosaki> | @Emmy Understood. What TZ are you? I will attempt to be on during the majority of the day during EST |
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| 23:10 | < Emmy> | GMT+1, the netherlands |
| 23:10 | < SmithKurosaki> | Ok |
| 23:10 | < SmithKurosaki> | I'll probably be on again at 12 or 1pm est, so, 5 hours earlier tomorrow |
| 23:10 | < SmithKurosaki> | I'm currently mostly after resources to digest that won't be useless or break my brain for now |
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