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| 00:39 | <&McMartin> | Ugh, this is the worst kind of work to do on Friday |
| 00:40 | | * McMartin is prepping for a later refactoring, but that basically means the last thing on his Things Done list this week is going to be "made these files suck way more" |
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| 01:45 | <&McMartin> | "Total download size: 149.70 MiB. Total Installed Size: 912.53 MiB. Net Upgrade Size: 2.56 MiB." |
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| 05:04 | <&McMartin> | Gracious. I appear to have encountered a proper use for XML out in the wild. |
| 05:04 | <&McMartin> | Khronos shifted the OpenGL registry over to it from their previous vast collection of semi-structured text files. |
| 05:05 | <&McMartin> | *and* seems to also be shipping a python library for treating it as an object graph. |
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| 12:03 | <&jeroud> | It's the '20s now. If you're going to ship XML, you also have to ship tools for mortals to manipulate it with. |
| 12:04 | <&Reiver> | no, no |
| 12:04 | <&Reiver> | Just ship it completely undocumented with suprise extra conditional buckets! |
| 12:04 | <&Reiver> | Oh, and a proprietary header. |
| 12:05 | <&Reiver> | Preferably holding a couple UIDs that are system-specific. |
| 12:05 | <&Reiver> | Because quality code, don'tchaknow |
| 12:05 | | * Reiver nods sagely. |
| 12:05 | | * Reiver then curls into a ball and weeps. |
| 12:05 | <@TheWatcher> | Reiver: you forgot about the opaque base64 encoded binary element contents |
| 12:06 | <~Vorntastic> | Kill |
| 12:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Preferably ones containing base64 encoded zip files containing futher XML and binary data |
| 12:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | No, no |
| 12:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | base64-encoded zip containing JSON, which is itself a naïve dump of the DOM generated by an XML parsing tool operating on the actual data, which was originally XML |
| 12:35 | <~Vorntastic> | That one's suspiciously specific |
| 12:35 | <&jeroud> | Inside that is a JPEG containing a photograph of a printed Word document on a wooden table? |
| 12:37 | <&Reiver> | jfc |
| 12:38 | <&Reiver> | My example was provided to us as an actual, for-real, new feature allowing us to export and load configuration settings in our millions-per-year Enterprise software -_- |
| 12:38 | <&jeroud> | The photo of a printed Word doc was a meme somewhere for a while. Maybe dailywtf? |
| 12:38 | <~Vorntastic> | Daily wtf yes |
| 12:39 | <~Vorntastic> | Web 0.1 - The Daily WTF (https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Web_0_0x2e_1) |
| 12:39 | <&jeroud> | Reiver: Your example is Standard Enterprise. TF's is Occasional Enterprise. |
| 12:39 | <@TheWatcher> | Mine is Microsoft. |
| 12:42 | <&ToxicFrog> | Vorntastic: it's a combination of different things I've seen in the wild. |
| 12:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | "our serialization format is JSON of what the XML parser sees" is sadly not fiction, but I've also never seen it inside a binary payload inside more XML. |
| 12:43 | <&Reiver> | the bit that annoys me about the Standard Enterprise? |
| 12:43 | <&Reiver> | Those UIDs do not transfer between systems. |
| 12:44 | <&Reiver> | So you can literally only save a copy and then upload it to the same system. |
| 12:44 | <&Reiver> | Assuming no-one has made extra changes to the system in between. |
| 12:44 | <&Reiver> | Which rather begs the question what hte point of having a save/import feature is, eh? |
| 12:47 | <&jeroud> | How else are you supposed to refer to hidden internal mutable state?~ |
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| 18:18 | <&McMartin> | jerith: Well, in this case they also shipped with a dozen-page PDF trying to explain the schema in human-understandable terms |
| 18:18 | <&McMartin> | And failed in my case because it sure looks like just reading the python parsing code will be simpler |
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| 18:35 | <&jeroud> | Does the parser use etree? |
| 18:36 | <&jeroud> | (I can't actually remember all the Python XML APIs anymore. I think I shall consider this a Good Thing.) |
| 18:36 | <&McMartin> | lxml, I think. |
| 18:37 | <&McMartin> | But it seems to be creating custom-defined objects and *those* are what I wish to interrogate. |
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