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| 11:44 | <&[R]> | Thanks to whoever was talking about Java's special-case handling of array literals the other day |
| 11:45 | <&[R]> | Helped me patch a little java program I was playing with |
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| 13:16 | <&[R]> | <frinnst> awesome. a customer we migrated a few months ago just sent in a ticket that they cannot connect to the fileserver with a fucking NT4 machine |
| 13:17 | <@sshine> | :o |
| 13:17 | <@sshine> | that's... 1990s? |
| 13:17 | <@sshine> | wasn't Win2K = NT5? |
| 13:17 | <@TheWatcher> | yep |
| 13:18 | <@sshine> | amazing |
| 13:18 | <@sshine> | I remember my public school computer room had an NT 4.1 server that I broke into. |
| 13:19 | <@TheWatcher> | Last update for it was something like 2003 |
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| 15:23 | <&[R]> | So, Windows doesn't seem to need to have 32bit and 64bit libraries, but Linux does, what does Windows do special? |
| 15:27 | <&[R]> | Google suggests Windows is just better at hiding that |
| 15:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yes. Also, windows software distribution has a convention of shipping all the libraries each program needs with that program, so if you're running 64-bit windows and you install a 32-bit program that program's installer probably contains all the 32-bit DLLs it needs as well, rather than pulling in visible external 32-bit dependencies. |
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| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | Specifically, what Windows does, translated into Linux terms, is maintain a separate lib32 and etc32 underneath lib and etc, and if an executable identifies itself as an x86 executable instead of an x86_64 one, it remaps calls to filenames in those spaces to the subdirectory. |
| 22:41 | <&McMartin> | There is also a special syscall to temporarily or permanently switch the translation on or off, so that 32-bit executables can install programs into 64-bit space. |
| 22:48 | <&[R]> | Interesting |
| 22:49 | <&McMartin> | Oh yeah, /bin kind of gets a remapping too |
| 22:49 | <&McMartin> | That one's less thorough; I *think* that one might just be a matter of consulting environment variables. |
| 22:50 | <&McMartin> | Windows has a lot of environment variables roughly equivalent to $HOME covering different things; over the years both it and the Linux world evolved to be roughly isomorphic versions of the XDG spec for per-user material |
| 22:50 | <&McMartin> | But that also means that Windows has an env var for where "Program Files" *really* is, and it sets it differently for 32-bit applications on Win64. |
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