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| 06:52 | < simon_> | my five highest voted StackOverflow languages are for four different programming languages and compiler theory. :D |
| 06:53 | < simon_> | s/languages/answers/ |
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| 16:36 | <@ErikMesoy> | Today in the Mysterious Adventure of the Disagreeing Databases, I have catalogued three kinds of error. |
| 16:37 | <@ErikMesoy> | The first is the Plain Fuckup error, such as when the one database has an onion listed under "Dairy products". This is just wrong. |
| 16:38 | <@ErikMesoy> | The second is the Maybe If You Squint error, in particular I'm thinking of an inventory tracker for three cans of cooking fat(grease? lube? unsure of translation) which were actually two cans of cooking fat and one can of liver paste. Well, it's greasy and squishy and can be used in cooking, but I wouldn't make pancakes in liver paste. |
| 16:39 | <@ErikMesoy> | And the third is the Deeply Sympathetic, Philosophically Agreeable error where I feel with the poor data enterers having to deal with the problem: for example, the question of whether some vanilla cream should be filed under "cooking ingredients" or "dessert products". |
| 18:02 | <@gnolam> | :) |
| 18:10 | <~Vornicus> | "cooking fat" is the right term |
| 18:10 | <~Vornicus> | well, the general term |
| 18:14 | <&McMartin> | Ah yes, databases are the field where hapless clerical schlubs get five thousand years of abstruse philosophical debate on the nature of meaning dumped directly into their inbox |
| 18:15 | <@TheWatcher> | Nono, that's when it becomes "Ontologies"~ |
| 18:21 | <&McMartin> | One of the few bits of CS jargon borrowed from those five thousand years of philosophical debate that's actually being used mostly correctly |
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| 18:28 | <&McMartin> | (In similar news, I once used the term 'reify' correctly and shocked some philosophers) |
| 18:44 | <@ErikMesoy> | Along similar lines, a good deal of workplace discussion was engendered by noticing that grapes were filed under "fruit" in the inventory. "Isn't fruit supposed to be things that grow on trees?" |
| 18:45 | <@ErikMesoy> | Someone cited Wikipedia to show that grapes are in fact berries. Someone else looked at that Wikipedia definition and apparently the botanical-technical definition in question includes cucumbers as berries. This is roundly rejected as entirely contrary to sensible usage. |
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| 19:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: it pleases me greatly whenever I get to use (reify) in code |
| 19:11 | <&McMartin> | ErikMesoy: This is one of those things like "tomatoes are fruits and hibiscus isn't a flower" where botanists are using what things actually are as opposed to what they look like to fifteenth-century peasants and adventurers |
| 19:18 | <@ErikMesoy> | McMartin: I think saying "what things actually are" is begging the question since that's defined in large part by those same botanists, and that should read something like "using cladistics" instead. |
| 19:19 | <&McMartin> | "Cladistics", alas, is techspeak for something entirely different~ |
| 19:20 | <&McMartin> | But yes, at the end of the day, this like asking a lawyer and an economist to define "demand" and then expecting to get the same answer |
| 19:21 | <@ErikMesoy> | Nice one. |
| 19:24 | <@gnolam> | Ah yes, the whole botanical definition pedantry thing. Where people redefine words in common use for 1000+ years within their narrow field sometime in the last 100, and then claim that they are correct and all the other people are wrong. |
| 19:25 | <&McMartin> | The traditional solution is to use the 1000+ year word in Latin instead |
| 19:26 | <&McMartin> | ("Calyx", for the hibiscus !flower) |
| 19:27 | <&McMartin> | (And if your reaction to that is "the calices aren't the flower" this is why there is a problem, yes) |
| 19:27 | <&McMartin> | (But yes, let's be clear that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibiscus#/media/File:Hibiscus_lobatus_(Lahan_Jaswand)_in_Hyderabad,_AP_W_IMG_9075.jpg is not the bit you make the tea from) |
| 19:28 | <@gnolam> | See also: "dinosaur". |
| 19:28 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, I have no real objection to birds being dinosaurs or indeed to the Dimetrodon not being one. |
| 19:35 | <&McMartin> | That also said, to the original example |
| 19:36 | <&McMartin> | "berry" is a subclass of "fruit" |
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| 23:47 | < Mahal> | anyone available to help me puzzle my way through a regex? |
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| 23:56 | < Mahal> | I realised I was being an idito. |
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