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| 02:00 | <&McMartin> | Man, ARM. |
| 02:00 | | * McMartin looks at optimized compiled output for two versions of the same function, for the mid-1990s variants. |
| 02:01 | <&McMartin> | they are the same code but one uses 32-bit memory and math and the other 16-bit, in ARM mode as opposed to the 16-bit-optimized mode that came around the turn of the century |
| 02:01 | <&McMartin> | the 16-bit code is 50% larger and slower. -_- |
| 02:07 | <~Vornicus> | What's the function |
| 02:25 | <&McMartin> | The xorshift-based PRNG I use for most of my retro projects |
| 02:25 | <&McMartin> | all the extra cost is because of non-word-aligned access though |
| 02:31 | <~Vornicus> | ah |
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| 04:13 | < [R]> | Reiver: The new ones are going-Apple and are attempting to be unrepairable (there's multiple pieces that are destroyed when you attempt to open them up) |
| 04:26 | <&Reiver> | I don't much care about repairable provided it still has a warranty tbh |
| 04:26 | <&Reiver> | I am not a sparky, so it's going to the shop either way~ |
| 04:52 | < Mahal> | Reiver: I am in posession of a surface pro! what would you like to know? |
| 04:56 | <&Reiver> | Mahal: Hmm. A general sense of what it is and isn't capable of, how well the touch screen /actually/ works, and, uh |
| 04:56 | <&Reiver> | I guess we're trying to decide between tablet-with-keyboard or PC-that-can-fake-being-a-tablet |
| 04:57 | < Mahal> | The touch screen is amazing. |
| 04:57 | < Mahal> | I am dead happy with it. |
| 04:57 | < Mahal> | the keyboard feels good to use, lthough the weird kickstand+not-entirely-rigid keyboard takes getting used to |
| 04:57 | <@celticminstrel> | Why are people deliberately making things unrepairable? It seems like an unimaginably stupid choice. |
| 04:58 | < Mahal> | It's not stupid for the vendors, who are the people making the decision |
| 04:58 | <@celticminstrel> | How can it not be stupid for the vendors? |
| 04:59 | < Mahal> | ... because people pay them more money to replace the kit when it breaks than to repair it? |
| 04:59 | <@celticminstrel> | Bleh. |
| 05:00 | < Mahal> | or alternatively they pay authorised repairers (who have to pay the vendors for that status) for expensive parts. |
| 05:01 | < Mahal> | I mean, it doesn't take much imagination to work that out |
| 05:01 | <@celticminstrel> | Still bleh. |
| 05:02 | <@celticminstrel> | So wasteful. |
| 05:02 | < Mahal> | Sure, but that's not something the vendors generally give a rats about |
| 05:02 | <@celticminstrel> | Both in parts and in money. |
| 05:02 | < Mahal> | Has it escaped your notice somehow that this is a heavily consumerist society? :P |
| 05:05 | < Mahal> | Anyway, Reiv, what's your actual use-case? this is a more important question. |
| 05:06 | < Mahal> | do you want an internet device? a media consumption device? a thing to write things on device? a gaming device? etc. |
| 05:08 | < Mahal> | if you want an internet-eating device, get an Android. Cheaper, does the job. |
| 05:08 | < Mahal> | I bought the Surface as my laptop-replacement and it's doing a really, really, solid job. |
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| 06:09 | <&Reiver> | This is a laptop replacement that we'd quite like to consume media on |
| 06:10 | <&Reiver> | What version of a Surface did you pick up? What do you do with it? |
| 06:10 | <&Reiver> | I feel ilke turning the questions around on you might help us triangulate what /we/ need in terms of specs. :) |
| 06:12 | < Mahal> | heh, fair enough |
| 06:12 | < Mahal> | Mine is both a laptop replacement / work from home device, so I wanted something grunty enough for poweshell, excel, word etc (word not really grunty but powershell can be) |
| 06:12 | < Mahal> | I wanted something easy to travel and DJ with |
| 06:12 | < Mahal> | and it would be nice to get three years out of it |
| 06:13 | < Mahal> | I occasionally consume media through it, but primarily it's a work / internet / sound device |
| 06:14 | < Mahal> | I"m running a Surface Pro ... 4, I think? |
| 06:14 | < Mahal> | 8 gigs of ram, core i5, Win10 Pro |
| 06:15 | < Mahal> | 256gig hard drive |
| 06:17 | < Mahal> | I also bought the touch pen and cover-type-eyboard-thingo |
| 07:04 | <&Reiver> | Does the i5 have the fans? |
| 07:04 | <&Reiver> | And how do you find the keyboard? |
| 07:04 | <&McMartin> | i5 has the fans |
| 07:04 | <&Reiver> | Related: How usable is it in bed, or does that relegate it to Tablet Mode, as it were |
| 07:05 | < Mahal> | It has fans, yes. |
| 07:05 | <&Reiver> | McMartin: I am seeing reports of something on the internet hinting at fanless i5s, and am curious/puzzled |
| 07:05 | < Mahal> | I find the keyboard entirely useful |
| 07:05 | < Mahal> | I do not find it a good inbed device unless I am sitting up already |
| 07:05 | < Mahal> | the screen is too large for that |
| 07:05 | < Mahal> | My inbed device is my phone. |
| 07:05 | <&McMartin> | Reiver: Huh. That is news to me if so |
| 07:05 | <&McMartin> | Maybe we've gotten better at heatsinking but... |
| 07:07 | < Mahal> | Reiv: my main points for this device are: |
| 07:07 | < Mahal> | 1) portable as fuck. travels easily |
| 07:07 | < Mahal> | 2) Windows based, which is important to me for work reasons |
| 07:08 | < Mahal> | 3) if I have a Standard User Derp and pour a drink over my keyboard, it is easily user-repalceable with $200 and a new TypeCover |
| 07:08 | < Mahal> | I mean, I don't plan to do this |
| 07:08 | < Mahal> | but if i do, it's not the end |
| 07:09 | < Mahal> | Things I"m less fond of: |
| 07:09 | < Mahal> | kickstand + typecover = bad lap device, but I've managed to make it work |
| 07:09 | < Mahal> | Too big for a bed-reading device (but that wasn't a usecase for me anyway) |
| 07:11 | < Mahal> | win10pro means It Just WOrks How I Want |
| 07:16 | <&Reiver> | Yeah, that's a major draw for us too |
| 07:16 | <&Reiver> | This is replacing an Actual Laptop |
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| 07:18 | <&Reiver> | Which was used to chat with people (hence keyboard), watch videos, do the odd bit of writing, and play lightweight Steam games |
| 07:18 | <&Reiver> | Mostly of the Ticket To Ride variety |
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| 07:30 | < Mahal> | keyboard won't stand up to much gaming, IMO |
| 07:30 | < Mahal> | maybe with a decent bluetooth one though |
| 07:30 | < Mahal> | I mean, the typecovers won't stand up to much. |
| 08:16 | <&Reiver> | Ticket to ride varieties are largely mouse driven |
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| 10:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Reiver: y'know, if I didn't know better, using that term would make me think that you're playings some really risque games ('ticket to ride' was a slang term for a health certificate card carried by prostitutes in Hamburg in the 1960s ) |
| 10:07 | <@TheWatcher> | (which Lennon knew quite well, hence the song by the beatles, although McCartney always rather lamely tried to claim it was for a train ride to Ryde on the Isle of Wight) |
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